#spindlehorse critical

[showtoonzfan]

This new episode was delayed, the fans haven’t seen a full HB episode since last year, Blitz and Stolas’s confrontation was hyped up for so long, only for this episode to be 90% pointless filler of the cherubs getting robots to fight the rest of IMP and Blitz walking around town to get dressed up and bring gifts. Literally the last 5 minutes of this episode is where he finally goes to Stolas, and we get the confrontation, something everyone already predicted where Stolas gives him the crystal, cries, then leaves. WOW. That is just hilarious how much of an underwhelming let down that is. I have the heavy feeling fans are going to be drastically disappointed lol, that’s all I’ll say.

[uninformedartist]

Sorry but jirre this scene:

Blitz telling Stolas how he made him feel. What he put him through, to remedy everything with an Asmodeus crystal. NOTHING Stolas does after the fact for Blitz will remedy that horrible agreement Stolas put him in.

And then this:

So manipulative, Blitz was about to say sorry even before Stolas literally dismissed Blitz, just like Blitz said. Toxic rich asshole.

[thowawayuntilfurthernotice]

This is probably going to piss a ton of people off, but I truly believe that if you’re going to invite the Hazbin Hotel cast to cons, you better make sure that every Q&A panel is 18+ because holy fuck, this entire situation was just embarrassing for everyone involved.

Real talk, if I was the one who was moderating this panel, I would have immediately shut everything down after seeing that there were kids in attendance.

And before any Hazbin Hotel fans scream at me in the comments and reblogs, I don’t give a shit if you watched a bunch of adult shows as a kid, Hazbin Hotel isn’t a kids show.

Wish I could say I’m surprised that someone that young is a fan of the show, but I’m not. Viv’s style is very cartoony and her writing is very immature, so of course tons of kids are going to be fans of her shows.

In fact, if you removed all the swearing, sex and violence, Hazbin Hotel wouldn’t feel out of place on a children’s channel.

Now, any self respecting creator would look at this incident and try their hardest to let parents know that the show isn’t for children, but not Viv! She’s just going to keep acting like everything’s fine.

I also can’t help but roll my eyes whenever I see the VA’s having no issue with children showing up to their autograph booths.

Shame on the parents for letting their kids be exposed to adult content at such a young age.

[bump-inthe-night]

“Full Moon” hasn’t even been out for 12 hours, yet Vivziepop has already released 16 new items related to the episode. Two weeks ago, she dropped 136 new items, but apparently that wasn’t enough.

Vivziepop is trying so hard to suck more money out of her fans, treating them as if they’re a never-ending river of cash. 

[flower-boi16]

Ways to watch Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss WITHOUT supporting Vivziepop

Do not buy any of Viv’s merchandise made for her shows

Do not get a subscription to watch Hazbin, instead pirate the show online

Do the same thing for Helluva Boss since watching the episodes on YouTube will give them more views and therefore more money, so either watch HB on a pirating site or use a video downloader and copy and paste the links of the episodes to download them so you won’t be up giving them more views

Generally, if you want to watch ANY of Viv’s videos, put the links in a video downloader and download them in your computer.

You can get the links without clicking on the videos (clicking on the dots beside the video, and then pressing share will show you the link to the video and you can copy and paste it into the video downloader)

Viv is a shit person and does not deserve your support. If you still want to watch her stuff but don’t want to support her these are ways I’d recommend.

[spooky-donut-ghost-house]

RDR2 bad ending if it was written by Vivziepop

Micah: "You're fucking not fucking better than me, Morgan!"

Arthur: "Whatever you fucking say, you fucking bitch!"

Micah: "Fuck you!"

Arthur: "Fuck us both!"

*Micah fucking shoots Arthur in the fucking head and then fucking laughs and fucking spits on Arthur's fucking body before fucking holstering his fucking revolvers and fucking walks the fuck away*

[beastabyss666]

The Season 2 Episode 8 of Helluva Boss recently was published quite spontaneously, so I'm writing the review while being very sleepy. First of all... It was weird to start the episode with some cheap musical. Blitzo's solo was especially... fair to middling. I'm sorry, but I think Brandon Rogers can't sing, his voice isn't actually made for singing(that's just my opinion tho). And also hey, they remembered the cherubs! Wow. Though they made them some utter idiots, much like the other characters, I mean.. So the plot is about Blitzo going shopping for a sex toy which(in his opinion) will really rejoice Stolas. Meanwhile, the cherubs are seen living on Earth and robbing humans to "redeem themselves and return to heaven"(I won't ask how it's supposed to work). They get caught by the D.H.O.R.K.S. folk(wow, you also remembered them too, nice work Vivzie), where the agents tell the cherubs that they built a portal to Hell and made high-tech robotic suits imitating the main IMP gang. The cherubs wear them and enter the portal, ending up in the Lust Ring, where Blitzo goes shopping. The main gang attacks them(though it wasn't shown that they even were there), and OF COURSE defeats the cherubs, throwing them through the portal. The episode ends with Blitzo finally visiting Stolas and talking to him. But I'll mention it later. So... I found this episode quite weird, nothing much to say about the visuals, though some frames look like they're from another show. How some characters(especially humans) are drawn looks like they're also from another show. But I guess they don't really organise anything normally, so it just is. I also find the tone of the episode too chaotic, but the whole show switches rapidly from "Edgy black comedy" to "Unserious absurd trash comedy" to "Drama/whining/'we care about characters and their development'" stuff. Another weird thing I found about visuals is that the creators put many overly cartoonish expressions to characters, to the point that it look just ridiculous, not even saying it's out of the general style.

Some of these expressions look kinda crooked, and the other are cartoonly, but not in a way that fits the whole show. It's not a slapstick comedy, and I don't understand why the writers pretend it is. Most of the time(and it's seen in this episode) it's just lazy and poor attempts at satire on our stupid and hypocritical society, but it just doesn't work mainly because the protagonists don't seem to have more brain cells than usual humans in this universe. Earth here, although, really seem to be a thing to relieve Vivzie's malice at... everything, I guess. There is no exact satire/mocking of someone or something, so I guess Vivzie just hates every living thing in general(especially kids, for some reason). That's why the humour in this episode also seems odd in a bad way. I don't like that HB sometimes pretends to be South Park, or Family Guy, or... a typical CN show, perhaps? It just doesn't look right, it's like the writers try to copy other better works instead of making their own vibes/special tone.

Also they could use some more imagination

And about the ending... Stolas doesn't seem satisfied by Blitzo's behaviour(who acts overly sexual towards him which seems OOC), and starts... basically complaining about him being too sexual and not sensual. Guys... do you remember how it all started? Does Vivzie remember it? Literally in the 1 episode of 1 season it's shown that Stolas only uses Blitzo for his sexual pleasure, not caring about his comfort etc. He even calls him while he's on a dangerous mission. And there are lots of other moments where Stolas practically h*rasses Blitzo and makes him uncomfortable with his comments. And even since pilot doesn't seem to be canon(so Stolas didn't threaten Blitzo with r*pe), there are enough red flags about this mf. Yet in this episode he literally complains about receiving not so much love and care? That's... idk, that's shitty to say the least, and I don't know how the writers even managed. A literal abuser complaining about their partner being "not affectionate enough", that's fuckin' hilarious(sarcasm), and I say it as someone who had few abusers in my life. I still remember the previous episodes so I kinda don't buy it, but many people do, and that's sad. After that Blitzo [rightfully] angers at Stolas for complaining about lack of love while disrespecting him for being a lower class and using him as some object. Stolas only answers with "I think so very highly of you, I didn't realise you think so low of me", and kicks Blitzo out of his palace.

So... that's the episode. I have nothing much to say about it more, but I'm genuinely wondering does Vivzie even understand what she's doing and where she'll push the whole Stolas x Blitzo pairing(not that I fucking care, lol). These two are obviously in an abusive relationship, and the more they try to understand what even happened between them, the more confused they become. I personally think there's nothing to talk about with a guy like Stolas(though Blitzo too is a huge red flag), but idk, maybe Vivzie thinks that r*pists and abusers are changeable and are good deep down. Anyways, it was surely an odd episode, and I didn't really like it.

[chaifootsteps]

wait, that's what the VA was joking about before he deleted the tweet? that a nine year old asked something inappropriate at a con?

why do so few of the people remaining with the hellaverse projects seem to have any sense of like, boundaries, professionalism, any of that??

You've genuinely got to wonder if these people were always on some level this awful or if Viv's just a black hole that brings out the worst in everyone.

(I know Raph used to be really cool. It's sad to see what he's become.)

[uniquepeanutcreatorfire]

Fandom: VIV GETS HATE FOR NO REASON

Reasons: Toxic workplace allegations, not addressed

Appropriating a closed religion that’s been demonized by Hollywood for years (also making a profit off it)

Burning bridges with other artists/friends (one that implied she was abusive)

Going to animal cafes in Japan with abused and neglected animals

Supporting businesses (Starbucks) that are against Palestine then posting on social media

Liking tweets referring to people as sub-human

Liking tweets referring to criticism as hate or defending from valid criticism

Not giving certain physical features to POC/POC-coded characters in their design to indicate they are POC/POC-coded and also using harmful stereotypes

Fandom: SHE GETS HATE FOR NO REASON!!!



[tocomplainfriend]

SPREAD THIS

Critical argument that went and ask for the experience of people that worked in the shows. How they don't have an actual running Human resources, it's just one guy friends with Viv (Neylan) who gave damn shitty responses to every question. READ IT PLEASE, Pass it around!

(It's a person outside of fandom bubble writting this stuff too)

Full-blown confirmation of the pay discord messages by Neylan

(also Viv has tried to make people not work in other indie stuff too)

This sounds so republican as fuck too:

Gaming company?

[theoddest1]

Notice how Viv will bitch about a 15 year old fan being critical or a 18 or 19 year old critic who made a harmless meme, or be pissy about "My name is Caine, I am your bitch" but will stay DEAD. FUCKING. SILENT about someone in the fandom ending their own life thanks to the shitty people in her fanbase. So, in other words, people being "mean" to her is more worth her time than calling out those who pushed Shay into suicide.

Not surprising tbh. This is the same person who apparently thought karma was awesome when one of the people she had beef with (Dollcreep) was getting mass hate from her fans and was hospitalized for an attempt on their life just to get out of the massive attacks they were facing.

So yeah...what a kind ass person....

Then there's Tracy

Who actually addressed and tried to bring awareness to bullying in her community.

[showtoonzfan]

At this point Viv like…has no idea how to write Stolas and Blitz together. Like….at all, she’s completely lost. She only knows how to surround it on sex, and when she can’t do that she makes it a one sided cry fest on Stolas being sad and Blitz being the one in the wrong. I have the feeling that’s why their confrontation was at the very end and incredibly short cause it’s just difficult for Viv to write them. She just can’t write nuanced relationships or nuanced characters.

You’d think the entire episode would be hinged on their relationship but not really, we need to stuff DHORKS and the cherubs in cause Viv also doesn’t know what to do with the countless amount of villains this show has. And even then the conversation Blitz and Stolas had at the end didn’t really bring anything new to the table, like everything we already knew was told to us. Then the episode just stops. This is why people call this show a fan fiction and underwhelming cause jesus, it went from laughingly bad to just an empty shell now of nothing. I have no strong feelings for this show anymore, it’s just nothing and empty cause the character dynamics and relationships are nonexistent.

[uninformedartist]

Ok so I watched the episode. When Blitz went off on Stolas on EXACTLY how he felt, how royals/upper class treat imps & Stolas goes & says he always thought so high of Blitz & how Blitz thinks so low of him makes Stolas sad I almost said "fuck you" out loud (but didn't cos my family wouldn't be happy on that phrase). Jou ma se poes Stolas, fokkin naai van 'n voël. And then he just zipped Blitz away.

You know I was kind of happy ish on Stolas admitting his agreement with Blitz was so so wrong (it was cohesive rape) also the dispare in Blitz hearing that book being taken away, his business ending for him, his livelihood for him, his employees & daughter... him saying he would do anything for Stolas to keep the book. THAT whole scene was the true dark gravity of their agreement, and the only way to remedy was Stolas letting Blitz go, freeing him from his metaphorical chains binding him to Stolas.

But that last scene, Blitz saying to Stolas exactly how royals & upper class treat imps, Blitz tearing up, telling Stolas exactly how HE felt in this whole 'arrangement'. Like no Asmodeus crystal can remedy how Stolas made Blitz feel & for Stolas to turn it around how he, a royal upper class actually thought highly of Blitz & made Blitz feel bad for him seeing Stolas so low & then dismiss Blitz, piss off. You ain't the victim here Stolas, you never were in this situation.

Ya this is all played for the romance but jirre is sickening, the writers were literally on the right path having Stolas let Blitz go, then the end the episode writing Stolas being some kind of victim in Blitz seeing him as someone who takes advantage of imps, AND STOLAS DOES

Aaaaaghhkjhcocgtxi this ep was good then it wasn't.

Edit, watched this video on YT vanced ( idk if that gives her views but didn't watch on YT itself)

[thowawayuntilfurthernotice]

“But the episode ended with Blitzo calling out Stolas on his shit. You can’t say the writing is only getting worse.”

And? You’re acting like any of shit is going to matter, like Viv fooled everyone into thinking that Stolitz was going to be the endgame. Only to then scream out “Gotcha!” as she gives the two of them new canon love interests for the remainder of the series.

Remember Ozzie’s? Remember how that episode ended with Blitzo and Stolas having a falling out? Don’t worry if you don’t because this plot point is completely ignored in Seeing Stars before getting wrapped up in a throwaway scene in Western Energy.

Face it, Viv is a terrible writer who sucks at writing compelling storylines.

[bump-inthe-night]

Vivziepop fans claiming adding black features to her black characters would’ve made it “too difficult” to animate them is a hilarious excuse considering this is the same woman who had characters like these animated:

Another excuse fans have been using is that Vivziepop’s art style is “unsuitable” for black characters, despite her crew members proving otherwise: 

No art style is "unsuitable" for black characters because it's the artist's responsibility to learn how to draw them in their style. There's no excuse for black characters not looking black in your style.

Vivziepop could draw black features in her style but CHOSE not to, hence why none of the black characters look black outside their skin color, which sometimes they don't even have.

[poisonheiress]

Someone needs to say it: The "Heaven is actually bad" plot line that Hazbin is based around is useless when you spend more then 2 minutes thinking about Vivzie's Hell and her characters.

Besides it being much too early for this idea, the revelation that Heaven or at least the beings running it aren't good people has little to no impact when the people who are being harmed by this are all horrible people. Stay with me here. None of these people are people who were unfairly brought into hell and we are never ever introduced to someone who was either. Why should we care that Heaven is "evil" and blocking redemption when all the sinners in hell we see are the worst of the worst who would have never gotten in even if it was fair.

For the "Heaven is bad" plot line to actually work, you need people who were just one sin away from Heaven, who would've gotten into Heaven if circumstance hadn't forced them down a path that stole it from them. You need characters who aren't comedic villains but land in the middle of morally grey. Those who deserved to be in Heaven but because Heaven refused to consider their circumstances, they were tossed to burn with people much worse than them. Those are the people who should be your main cast cause those are the people who would actually be impacted by Heaven being bad/ Heaven lying.

Angel dust, for all his trauma, was still part of the mafia and likely had killed people before (showing to almost take joy in it). Husk became an overlord and gambled souls, so he had to have had blood on his hands before hell. Alastor is a serial killer, and the list goes on and on. Sure, these characters are (somewhat) interesting, but they don't make for good characters to have when the key plot line is that Heaven is a scam. Even if that fact is true, none of them were ever going to get there in the first place and this is something we also se in every single background sinner shown in Hell too. They were never close to getting there, so why would they or we care that Heaven is bad when all sinners are shown to be horrific people who are at best in the dark grey area of morality.

If you look at it from the "angel's are unfairly killing sinners" route, it still doesn't work. If the angels are killing them, what makes it different then the sinner on sinner violence that hell is full off? Why is them dying by angels this bad thing when they are just as likely if not 10x times more likely to get knifed in the back by other sinners in hell the other 364 days, especially when everyone here apparently is just as horrible as the next person. You cannot condemn the angels for killing demons and then make a joke of out sinners killing each other and never show sinners who doesn't want to kill people. Life either matters or it doesn't and when the main cast doesn't even show a care for life (outside of Charlie's who's entire flaw is her naivety), why should the audience.

On top of that, Vivzie's whole overpopulation aspect and the Heaven plot line would connect better if she actually had people like those I mentioned above, people who stole to survive but got tossed out cause stealing is technically wrong, people who killed another to protect someone else but were still sent to hell because even though they saved that person's life that person wasn't supposed to be saved, people who passively engaged in sins but never really did anything harmful under them. This would add into how Hell is so overpopulated and highlight why its so important that Heaven is evil/ why Charlie's plan isn't just a naive pathetic fever dream.

In the end, Vivzie should have never made Heaven the central plot of this show nor tried to assign this blatant good vs evil to that conflict. Neither her characters nor her writing choices are able to respond to this conflict in a way that will end or even tell the story in a satisfactory manner.