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vaspider · 3 months ago

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Okay, but none of those things change the fact that every human being alive has testosterone and some form of estrogen in their body and that calling them "male" and "female" hormones is incorrect labeling. You're going wayyyyyyy off into the weeds on data analysis when this post is talking about the social effects of language, and that's an entirely different thing.

You literally only need to look in the notes on this post to see people who genuinely believe that cis men have no forms of estrogen in their bodies and that testosterone and estrogen are the primary if not only hormones in our bodies. This is perpetuated by speaking inaccurately about these substances. They aren't "male" and "female" hormones. Testosterone - for example - is an androgen. It is one of five androgens (testosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS), dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), androstenedione, and androstenediol) naturally manufactured by all human bodies[1]. Testosterone causes virilization, also known as masculinization, also known as having androgenic effects.

These are all medically correct and - more importantly - much more accurate ways of talking about hormones. That they have the benefits of not perpetuating transphobic and perisexist[2] rhetoric is also pretty great.

Lemme shift this a little bit and see if this makes it more clear: a lot of people refer to genitalia by using terms like "female genitals" or "AMAB genitals." This phrasing rises from attempts to avoid using clinically correct terms - usually either to avoid "impolite" terms or because people are lapsing back into first-grade biology and putting stickers on top of that to make it look "more grown up" or "more inclusive." However, that attempt to avoid using clinically correct terminology, they become unnecessarily vague to absolutely wrong.

Someone can be AMAB and have a vagina - gender-confirming surgery or not. "Female genitals" have a wide range of appearances, functionality, and component parts. And when we're talking about "female genitals," or "girl parts," or whatever incorrect shorthand people want to use, what do those people actually mean? Do they mean the clitoris, labia majora, labia minora, vagina, cervix, uterus, fallopian tubes, or ovaries? That's eight separate body parts right there, all with wildly different functions, and on top of that, there are plenty of people who were CAMAB who have those body parts. If we assume just for funsies that half the notes on this post are unique interactions, that would mean somewhere around 200 intersex people looked at this post.

I kinda think those people - leaving trans people out entirely - deserve to have accurate discussions about their bodies which have no incorrect gendered assumptions made, right?

For that matter, if someone asks me if I have "female genitals," I'm gonna have to stop and ask what they mean by that and for what purpose they're asking, because a) most of the time my answer is "uh, fuck off, that's none of your fucking business," and b) if a doctor asks me smth like that, I need to know if what they're really asking is, "Can you become pregnant, is there any chance you're pregnant right now," or "do you have ovaries bc this medication might affect them," or, "this medication might have an effect on the erectile tissue in a microphallus or clitoromegaly/a macroclitoris, so if that's you we need to talk about that," or "do I need to worry about the effects of menopause on you and have you been through menopause if so," or even, "do you have a cervix bc then I need to get you on a pap smear schedule." And just for me alone, there are a bunch of different answers to all of those questions. I had to stop and correct a doctor this week about some of her assumptions about answers to those questions, bc it was medically important that she have the right information. She couldn't get that info by asking me if I have "female genitals." She had to be precise and correct.

There are a lot of different answers to those questions among cisgender women, for that matter. There are cis women born with one or no ovaries, without a uterus, without fallopian tubes, with undescended testes, etc. A fair number of cis women get hysterectomies, salpingectomies, oophorectomies...

So, instead of saying "female genitals," it makes an awful lot more sense for a gynecologist (for example) to ask their patient, "do you have any or all of these body parts, and if not, were they surgically removed and when was that done?"

That is the argument being made in the OP. Clarity and correctness.

If generic-you are attempting to communicate, it is best for you and the person you're talking to if you use clear, concise, and above all correct language. If someone means "testosterone," they should say "testosterone." If they mean all 5 androgenic hormones, they would be better served by saying, "masculinizing hormones" or "androgens." Why?

Those words are always correct.

That is what those things actually are. Always.

We're not talking about ... all the things you were talking about in that post, bc you went off into shit that this post had nothing to do with. You seem to have a tendency to project a lot of things into very simple conversations that really don't belong there, so I'm going to bring this back to the very simple statement that calling testosterone a "male hormone" and estrogen [3] a "female hormone" is simply incorrect. It's very easy to change how you talk about these hormones so that you are not perpetuating direct harm to trans and intersex people and are, in addition, correct.

1. Androstenediol has both androgenic and estrogenic activity.

2. Perisexist: discriminating against intersex people by means of erasure or presumption of perisex "normality."

3. Really, estradiol is what most people are talking about when they say "estrogen," but we are just not there yet.

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throwingideasatthewall · 3 years ago

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Clone wars Eminence

Okay. .

Hey emotion ?

? ? Vsla

(What is a Vizsla?)

Enabler Vs Aggressive Non- Compliant Un-accou n-t able- - Enabler-

Souls

[Ok I’m trying to keep track here;

(Because I do try to follow the stories in case they become some thing even when they are in the -0 cate -gory-

- Yoda’s generation

-Qui- Gon’s generation Dooku’s

-Obi-wan

-Anakin’s generation

- Ahsoka

[I am not counting the feckin young-lings”]

Okay dude seems around Obi-Wan but below Both him and Saltine

- Higher than Anakin though So,

-Yoda’s generation

-Qui- Gon’s generation Dooku’s

-Obi-wan

- This dude (Pre Visla)

-Anakin’s generation

- Ahsoka

Now Maul;

He seemed younger than Obi-Wan but older than Anakin

So;

-Yoda’s generation

-Qui- Gon’s generation Dooku’s

-Obi-wan

- This dude (Pre Visla)

-Maul

-Anakin’s generation

- Ahsoka

So just for the record, Ahsoka’s generation which is now an adult over 22, Is dealing with Anakin‘s generation ....

[Ok going to guesstimate regarding behavior,]

Is directly Obi-Wan‘s

[But they were two generations under Obi-Wan

Pre-Visla; acting as some kind a Brother generation

- Maul; Youngest Brother

-Savage; ?

So, [ -Yoda’s generation ] [ -Qui- Gon’s generation Dooku’s ]

[ - Obi-wan - This dude } (Enablers) (Pre Visla) -Maul

-Anakin’s generation ] - Ahsoka (Present)

(Ok you know what I’m breaking out the colored markers for this shit)

-Yoda’s generation [Enabler] (Progenitor to Qui-Gon’s / Dooku)

| -Qui- Gon’s generation Dooku’s (Progenitor To Obi-wan) |

| -Maul | (You | nger | Gen)

| [As in born before not that they are the same species | though if | someone fecks up the galaxy- everyone has to deal with it]

| - Savage | [You | nger | Gen]

-Anakin’s generation

Ahsoka (How)

note I am ignoring that bit about Plagueis Because no

And going on the direct apprentice line-

[which note I am aware may ignore several possi- bilities-

Including Qui-gon and Obi-wan’s Gen poss -ib ly, are bro. Because of convenience,

[Which is why I am ignoring the Plaguies thing-

Because if serious is that old it’s really implying that someone that is old enough to be Anakin’s Great great grandfather, did that, The nonsense applied in the whole midclorians to create life thing (Consent??) And my general disregard for anything that illuminates the opportunity of choice or feckin’ realism;

Now if you’ll look at the chart;

[I NOW UNDERSTAND WHY THEY HAVE A NO CHILDREN POLICY- no attach-ments-]

Note that means there have been (at least) four [distinct] generations in play

*are

[ ANd NONE of these fuckers die of natural causes [Aka old age]

Unless you count getting run through by a light sword!

[HoW]

[”oh yeah the galaxy’s un-balanced,”

Cause you have so many fecking kids-]

Apologies just had to get that out of my system [After making the damn chart]

We struggle at three,

Like if I have to bring out the colored markers I think that’s too many

I mean you can try but it’s going to be a hell of a time [For the writers] justifying how the core-

Point being it’s a mess-

[ And I’m doing this just to figure out a conversation -The generational beef - The morality - because yeah while they’re both enablers, The tox instigator, clearly has lower ground to their victim,

Who was tox first,

Who has the advantage

[One of the things that make a Narc conflicts, a bit of risk, The only thing I can with our Narcs so poorly established, Including their excessives And weak nesses]

And whether I should boo or cheer,

Or some thing as a good line or. poor

[because I honestly think the line they’re doing here can work and maybe I didn’t need the chart but it makes it a bit easier and gives an understanding of how I’m comparing,

Because. .]

“ if they are weak why do you wait,”

Because from a victim or younger generation that’s a pretty potent/poignant line

From an abuser its tone deaf and needs more malician - Personally I think they did a good job with Pre-viz -here

He’s the right kind of tone of someone stuck in their glory days trying to get the younger generation to enable him a bit more regardless of the cost,]

[Power-ful allies

Haha,

What allies [That didn’t- Betray Her,]

[Kenobi]

[HaHa]

[i’m sorry but regardless when the writers, pull it out of the randomness hat, he’s a punk ass bitch

[Excuse me for overuse of that term I strictly mean it in the derogatory non- identification Way Meaning, Un accountable in terms of fighting and self-defense of his pro -fessed expertise]

[and occasionally in self-determination against peer pressure and threats far above or below his skill level]

Specifically, the Jedi Council

[continu ing on,” ]

[Ventress]

Exile

[you’ve been allegedly exiled so many times it’s a bingo card, ]

(Also instead of locking them up]

(Like I might’ve missed a few points due to tox But, She didn’t just send them back to exhile where they started fecking with the shit

Did she?

I got as far as the juice thing then

Fast-pasted through the Academy

(No skim)

So sorry if anything was missed

(But tox)

[that was a suddenly softer tone,]

But fair,

A-ll

Count Dooku-

Dude, he just didn’t [rabidly] support your small little fan club that couldn’t do much

And [last I checked], Just told you not to do a thing,

Like yeah might’ve been relatively poor advice but what were you expecting-

[Tone’s a bit weird]

But she has a point,

Despite the uneven- ?

[that’s a strangely powerful way to keep him intact]

Though not- -

To vote,

Also,

Who,

Why?

? [In all truth, while the expressions were a bit off, (I assume benefit of the doubt - illustrators version-). That that could’ve been a relatively poignant scene, a (we totally got him To Enable Our War- between Two Enablers.]

How is Savage taking less time than Maul?

[is it cause made out of metal?

Is it because Savage is bigger?]

[Also you know what would’ve been interesting?]

[Note, interesting not better; it’s perfectly serviceable as is;

[Completely aesthetic]

If Maul had been “threatened” into the death watch,

With Savage as the chip,

And feigned

[Possibly having to be t-alked back into it - cause I mean he died]

Just interesting,

Oh yeah that has been pretty fucked up for him considering the last time he was on anything resembling an operating table,

[also I kind of like the idea of Maul as (for now) a nicer Sith Lord than his master, )

? ? [Despisi ng the enabler, But other than my assum. What is actually their in- tention?

Because they don’t seem to really have a plan other than destroy things,

And even that is inconsistent

Too late. .

(I understand murder. .

But that wasn’t really set up)

)

Oh yeah approaching the clearly ag-gressive per- sion - With an entourage - In the hospital - With his injured brother/ mor-alty pet)

Good job smart guy this would in no way put him on edge,

E-r [Not sure about that, ] ? - [that was kind of funny] ,

“Name -s,”

[They going to make something up ?]

“Brothers” - that was a very specific word choice,

Duc-hess

(Oh -yeah he brought that up in the conversation-

“Army,”

[Please no more pirates,]

(Also yeah trying to force peoples opinions to change (for (Corr that always works out upt) well,)

(Are we going to get dr -oids)

“Black sun,”

Aight- Gang,

“But there a crime syndicate,” Whin- ed the guy, Leading a (death) cult,

(Like I’m pretty sure they have done worse in this originated as some kind of crime syndicate/ Espionage within the government- -] ?

Dude they’re cannon get it together, - Oh so just black dealing]

- ?

[Is prisoner ]

? Attack,

- Or Assemble/ En-tourage - ? - - -? [Ok so just a show of strength,] - ? - “ what a stupid crime syndicate,’ . Like; “I want to talk to your boss about possibly becoming business partner(s) lucrative opportunity for both of us, doing business but sketchy,”

[Willing to participate in your black market op]

“ he’s gonna kill you,”

? ??

[Like you do realize that’s like going to a - bank, [for a loan] and the door guy Threate-ning you with death - Like how do you stay in business?

[Like, don’t care much for either practice,

Just don’t see why they don’t go to the non-threateny guy over there-

[Like I’m sorry but that was just a laughable way of establishing t hrea -t - Bad-assery - And I think [it got let off- way too light- -” - ? - Okay - seriously- [’ The One- species evil,’ is really starting to grind my gears One whole generation of a species decided to go into purely only crime syndicate,

Al-one-

: The background

Kind -a Hot- - Now - - - This is some nice sc ene r y- - I like the Gold-

- The the outfits-

What? - [

] [Note; I can understand not wanting to fall into the tropes of your Genre, But it has to make sense-

[How does this-]

[excuse me while I go into depth on this]

This guy works, crime syndicate

AKa organized illegal dealings,

Behind the government(s) back-

There are multiple ways you can do this (clothing wise) 1. Bure-aucrat;

Aka the dude’s in the Italian suits,

Which not only denotes they are dealings of off brand goods (Typically not in the country of origin]

[Place]

But also as their role; As a bureau cratic brush over-

Typical- ly Find - ing this guy cover-ing up,

2. Ragg -ed

Dude in brown over -coat Torn- - His whole thing is looking like an unimpressive citizen allowing him to move with ease-

With the disadvantage of being underestimated-

Possibly works- -cargo- - (That’s also just basic civilian that is generally associated with extremely chaotic and unpredictable allowing you to go more ways story wise)

Point being, some function,

Mean,

This dude is gold and gaudy and speaks more of a barbarian then a black- dealer

Crime Syn- dicate,

[and it’s not even gold as in the “I’m better than all you smugglers/crime lords come at me bro!”

It simply does not have the slickness for that,

No the scheme,

[and fine if you want to do alien fashion you do alien fashion but you how to establish that, (And it’s still really comes back to that pre-established logic ,). Excluding the horn which I’m assuming is part of his head,

Again this is speaking more War lord than crime lord, He really DOES give off that Aura,” - [Ok yeah this is really the most out of tune scene, Giving me a headache from just the plain inconsistency,” - ? - Yeah...

no idea what just happened ... Pre Viz-la; Was staring, Then Savage was laughing,

Just feckin holding the guy-

And now there was someone on the floor. . . [??] - - Whelp, guess the other g-uards just stood around and did nothing- - “Black sun,” - Despite there being no black in your outfits and

we haven’t even seen an in- signia,

And I’m starting to think n-e-ither in their operation

Seeing as they’ re, guardy obvious,

[ pretty damn blatant, Too

Aigh h-t- - [Again that’s behavior more befitting of a [War ] lord, - ? - Oh, yeah

that bodyguard was just straight up chilling

No ser- ious. -ly;

Like, I know my boss has ordered me to dispose of you, I’m real sorry about that, I can take you outside if you want Don’t be- Oh. hey, hold. up-

Well, shit

[Frank is having a shit day, ]

(That is. A. [Wait murder’s illegal!, Exp ression,

[What the hec -k,

. . .

Well, Shit,

No hesitation

(Bob is having a shit ,day

[He’s a greeter, ] . - ?

Really, because we only saw four guys that you killed and that greeting party,

(That’s still guerilla warfare at best;)

[like seriously unless the Mandalorian(s) only have like five guards you’re still going to be over-powered- - - <

Saltine

..weak

So much so that we haven’t even really seen the army- Just some guys carrying cargo

And cargo crat e(s? )

F-o

Y-eah, One Vis -i on- - C-l

[H-e’s righ t - dude has no actual commitment to killing Sal- tine,

This is just some game, he’s playing, While Maul actually seems interested in kicking his abusers , - Dep-th - I mean - do either of you?

[like up to this point I thought this was some Gen beef, But dude Talks to Pre- Visla- Like- - In that line, Like he’s same Gen,

Which doe sn’t match the tone they’ve been projecting up to this point,

Of Pre-Vizla, robbed of something,

“Cri-minals,”

Seriously when did these guys have any qualms about mingling with other petty demeanors?

For that matter

and I don’t usu -ally sin compet ency-

But this was right after the episode where Darth Maul got his ass kicked,

And continues the major theme of inconsistency,

There is no scale of escalation- (Which is fine if you want to do non-sequential if you want to do un-attached short stories,)

[Though you should probably have some reference in order to keep the emotional tone con- sist- -ent-

And approp -riate,)

There’s no scale of power,

As in I have no idea who can beat who,

(Not in, ‘they’re equally matched so it’s up to fate,” tension,

No, It’s the writers haven’t established anything

And whoever wins just wins because author favoritism,

Seriously

The only two consistent things;

Obi-Wan constantly gets his ass kicked, Unless the writers play favorites

And author’s hand is almost always very clearly shown,

Which you don’t want me to see; As the audience;

Note; I’m not saying there can’t be luck; Or that something existential can’t unbalance The circumstance,

Say one dude is trained in anti-gravity situations, One is not, And the gravity is flipped off, Having them flop around is a decent enough representation, Setting it up beforehand is even better,

But that’s not what’s done here;

(Not only is there no explanation to the sudden rise in competency,

But there’s no set up)

And there are several scenes where it again relies on the concept of (over) negative assumption, Believing the tropes will carry it, Enough to sustain

[Particularly with the Maul scenes. .]

Where it’s like they’re saying “And...

And what?

You didn’t establish anything,

There’s nothing there for you to fall back on

And, your menacing moment falls flat

[When no you have to actually set that up,]

You didn’t earn that scene otherwise,

[Empty tropes make for e-mpty s-tories- ]

Why..?

[also didn’t he just tell you to fuck off with your plan.. ?

Well...

The characters are no longer drywall the set up and the consistency on the other hand...

[still damn shaky,]

Plot wise,

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