#tvpeongsstuff

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@tvpeongsstuff​ also asked:

well....depends on where he goes?

It’s interesting to think about what he would do in the past, whether he would change anything, and if he did, would he keep his cards close or tell the council everything (I lean towards the former), would he make sure they avoided the fight on Naboo or would he kill the Sith and survive. Would he knight Obi-Wan and train Anakin himself (yes because he’s stubborn and doesn’t realise Obi-Wan deserves better)? What knock on effects would this have, up to and including Obi-Wan keeping his head down and being a perfect (-ly miserable) Jedi Knight, Dooku potentially staying with the Jedi, etc? However, in terms of scenario, I got a bit stuck on the future rather than the past, and also rambled about how Tim-Travel Is Real and Here’s How in maybe too much incoherent detail. 

Not to ramble about Jedi theology on main or anything, but I think that the Force exists beyond time, as in the Force is everywhere, and the Force yesterday is the same as today and tomorrow. It’s how Jedi have visions of the future, because that future already exists within the Force. So, when a Jedi ‘becomes one with the force’, constructs like time don’t exist. Neither do objectives like ‘this universe’ or ‘the universe where Anakin did save Padmé’ or even less prophetic twists like ‘the universe where Obi-Wan DID take the deathsticks’. 

In my headcanon, Force Ghosts absolutely could figure this out and manifest in the past. They don’t do this because they are boring and small-minded. Jedi these days...I guess when you’re working for the Republic there’s no time to sit down and ask why Jedi can see the future but not reach in and change it, or why some Jedi can teleport but not time-travel? It’s all just space and the force, isn’t it? So say the last time Qui-Gon hit a bong and decided to study the living force enough to become a ghost when he died, he got MORE esoteric with the meditations and figured out Force Ghost time-travel too. 

All this to say, when he dies and pops back as a ghost, his first thought is probably hmmm better check on Anakin. His next thought is probably oh shit, and Obi-Wan, my student of 12 years. I also think it’s quite easy to get lulled into just merging into the Force or getting lost, rather than concentrating enough to go somewhere, let alone chose where you end up. Maybe for a laugh he’d accidentally get stuck in some artefact in the temple for a bit, like...just him and some echo of a long-dead darksider chilling in the force attached to a cursed robe in the depths of temple storage or something. Or maybe he’d accidentally tune into a couple of people’s force dyad space-time calls ("Can you see my surroundings?""You're gonna pay for what you did!" oh dear, wrong number) before actually going anywhere deliberately or getting stuck somewhere. 

In canon, Qui-Gon is too boring and traditional to actually risk doing anything more than occasionally whispering vague encouragement into a couple of Jedi’s ears. So I don’t think he’d choose to actually explore time, or change the past. But that sucks and also so does studying really hard for your entire life and then in death maintaining the concentration to exist visibly using the force only to then look like a glitchy blue hologram. So, I think it would be cool for him to accidentally focus too hard and and accidentally properly re-embody himself somewhere in the gffa. Qui-Gon’s characterisation, as most Star Wars characters, is made very difficult by the breadth of material available, and the relative lack of actual screentime in the canon films, but he seems to be both a traditionalist, and also a bit of a renegade. Like, libertarian uncle energy. So it would be very interesting to see him confronted with the changes that overtook the Jedi in the near future, rather than the past. 

I think it would be most fun if he could accidentally get stuck in the clone wars. 

A clone scuba unit on some random planet in the middle of nowhere, doing underwater recon suddenly fish out some guy claiming to be a Jedi, look, I have a lightsaber- wow ok the blade is invisible, it didn't used to do that, oh wait yeah I'm actually made purely from the force and so are my clothes and accessories, don’t make me lose concentration or I might turn back into a blue ghost or just vanish or explode or something. Or more likely, he wouldn’t say anything, even when he figures out he’s not going to vanish any time soon and actually he doesn't need to concentrate that hard to keep the body, he can just use the force very powerfully to explode some droids- wait, why are there droids now? He'd probably just say some vague jedi catchphrases until someone comms their Captain who comms their Commander who comms the General who comes to check it out, who goes white and very bravely doesn’t pass out, who comms the Council who verify, this is dead Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn only somehow alive, and decide that “actually we can’t recall General Kenobi from undercover, and the 92nd just lost their general....” and put this possible ghost-creature that just emerged from the depths like the world’s lankiest space-shark (if sharks wore dripping beige robes and had kind of eldritch force powers even if they were reluctant to use them or speak in a way that made sense to people who don’t read Jedi philosophy treatises for fun). 

The 92nd aren’t really in the thick of it, anyway. They need the Jedi manpower and they need to keep Jinn out of trouble until they figure out whatever the hell the madman’s done this time. Hey, at least he’s not Pong Krell or some shiny knight who’s never been anywhere without their master, let alone had a command of an entire battalion. There’s no way this could go wrong. 

[willowcrowned]

Okay, okay, but Kehyli is, against all odds, actually entertained by this suicidal trash bag impersonator, so she’s going to warn “Dave” about the Kenobi jokes. He’s doomed anyways, probably, but he’s actually really good with mechanics and he fixed their coffee machine, so she wants to keep him around a while longer. Besides, she’s short, so when Vader shows up she can just hide behind Ceith, who totally deserves to get strangled for that hour long meeting that could have been a com.

But. Can you imagine Vader being told that he can’t even talk about Obi-Wan, let alone monologue? He’d be SO offended. Monologuing is what Vader does. He spends most of his free time practicing evil speeches in the mirror, and the rest of his free time making angry faces while thinking about Obi-Wan and Padmé. And now he’s been told that he can’t talk about Obi-Wan? Not even for a joke? (He misses the part where she’s trying to keep him alive because, well, no one said he was the sharpest fish in the barrel, and he’s really incensed about being told to “shut up” about Kenobi.)

The next morning, he walks in with a list of Jedi-centric jokes. Three quarters of them talk about Obi-Wan. Kehyli slaps a hand to her face, decides to ask him to show her how to fix the coffee machine, since he’s clearly not going to be around to do it much longer.

Undercover boss but it’s Vader and his disguise is a fake mustache glued to his mask

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@tvpeongsstuff​ I will have to plant a different flag on this hill I’m afraid.

I absolutely agree that Yoda’s lineage are....not the most well adjusted generally. However, I think if anything, this results in increased awareness of the importance of appearances and propriety, possibly due to the scrutiny of ‘descending’ from the Grandmaster of the order. Or, as could be argued from the arrangement of the council, more leeway due to nepotism. Actually, both are possible considering the potential different between Yoda or the council’s ‘official’ stance, versus temple-wide opinion. 

I think that the jedi are supposed to practise non-attachment and follow the code, putting their duty above their feeling etc. In that way, marriage is a pretty solid indicator of an attachment, as you literally make vows that could be interpreted as contradictory to the code, or symbolically placing your partner above your duty. But on the other hand, some Jedi are canonically married and sanctioned by the council, like Ki Adi Mundi and his multiple wives (for cultural preservation I think?) so there are exceptions. I think marriage wouldn’t necessarily be against the rules for Jedi, but it would cause scrutiny and disapproval. The Jedi can’t stop their members from getting married and probably wouldn’t have kicked Anakin out, but they likely would have checked he understood his duty over his attachments (which....he didn’t) and based on that, select his assignments more carefully, ie no more working with Padmé, nothing where he'd need to be impartial towards the senate etc.

Technically having kids is possibly fine as well, just I don't believe a Jedi could be a responsible parent and a member of the order, because can you imagine babysitting and trying to save the galaxy? But theoretically, sex- or even a relationship- which results in children where the partner is fine raising them alone would work. But for most people, that wouldn’t be possible without attachment and the Jedi would probably be suspended or face some sanction. I can’t imagine the Jedi would have sex police investigating their relationships to make sure they stay casual or short term or whatever, but I think long-term or formalised relationships and especially children are probably frowned on, and would result in some form of sanction like suspension from active duty. It’s a lot harder to practice non-attachment when it’s YOUR wife or child rather than the abstract so I imagine its not banned, but also very much isn’t allowed in between the lines.

Whether the Jedi would expel a member (from their home and culture, also) for breaking these rules I find more contentious- outside of wartime, for theological/ideological differences rather than things like becoming a Sith or bombing the temple? Much to think about. 

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@tvpeongsstuff said:

I htought that was funny because clearly Mace meant friends but Anakin would think an illicit but well known affair which council members are okay with.

I’m gonna take that concept and run with it, if that’s okay with everyone.

So here’s the first thing you have to remember: Anakin doesn’t do subtle. Palpatine has to basically put up a neon sign that says “I’M A SITH” for Anakin to catch on, and even then his first reaction is to go tell his boss because he’s just not sure. Which means that when Anakin does try to be subtle, like when he’s working as what essentially amounts to a political aide, he is going to vastly overinterpret anything anyone says. And since his notion of Jedi-politician friendships is basically limited to himself and Padmé... yeah.

The immediate reaction is rage— how dare they not let him see Padmé when Qui-Gon and Valorum were having a torrid love affair? How dare they change the rules just because they hate him?

I like to think that, instead of confronting anyone— because they clearly don’t care about him anyways— he just makes passive aggressive comments anytime someone brings something vaguely related up. This has an effect— not the intended one, but it does have it.

Everyone assumes he’s talking about his own relationship with Palpatine, thinks “oh thank god the kid is seeing sense,” and promptly assigns Anakin several things that had been redelegated due to a conflict of interest. Which means Anakin gets a firsthand look at the Senate’s restrictions for the Order... especially Palpatine’s own executive rulings.

He is rightly horrified. So horrified, in fact, that he almost forgets the fact that he’s supposed to be angry with the Council.

Then Obi-Wan gets back to Coruscant.

His first instinct is, of course, to be proud of Anakin. His second instinct is to congratulate him privately. This is where everything really goes off the rails.

“Anakin,” he says, “I’m so proud of you. I knew the Council trusted you, but this is above and beyond.”

“Well clearly they DON’T!” Anakin says, moodily staring out the window.

“Anakin, they’ve given you the responsibilities of a Master— clearly they trust you to fulfill your duty regardless of personal feelings.”

“Then WHY did they let Master Qui-Gon break the CODE but not ME.”

“You— you broke the code?”

“HE got to have an affair with the Chancellor, and I DON’T.”

“...”

“What.”

“Anakin,” Obi-Wan says, the tension headache that he’s had since he turned thirteen slowly flaring, “are— are you sleeping with Palpatine?”

Anakin Assists the Jedi Council While On Medical Leave

AU brainstormed primarily by @atagotiak, @gelpenss, and myself.

Basically, a fix-it based in Anakin getting a peek into the daily life on the Council early, and accidentally Figuring Some Shit Out along the way, mostly because Palps Fucks Up.

Keep reading

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@tvpeongsstuff​ said:

It works. Nobody believes it's him.

It only works because no one can believe that Darth Vader is stupid enough to think wearing a mustache would disguise himself. Instead, everyone thinks that it’s a Vader impersonator going around pretending to be “Dave from accounting.” They’re all anxiously waiting for the real Vader to storm in and kill him, which they think will be any minute, so instead of faffing around like they normally do, they’re extra productive because if Vader is coming anyways, he might kill someone who’s being unproductive. Ironically, this means that they’re terrified of Vader Dave anyways. Vader Dave is very confused.

Undercover boss but it’s Vader and his disguise is a fake mustache glued to his mask