#tlovm s3e12

[sonicskullsalt]

TLOVM S3E12 in the German dub

The translator didn't always translate it when Raishan calls Keyleth child. See also my post about S3E11 (Schweig!). But Keyleth also doesn't get her great payoff line from the campaign (for whatever reason), so it maybe just seemed unnecessarily repetitive to keep using the word child.

When Pike tries to fend off Raishan's fire with the Dawn Martyr's Plate, Raishan says "These flames burn different. " that's "Diese Flammen sind stärker" (These flames are stronger). That's not quite the same idea.

When Keylet yells "They didn't cause your disease." that's "Deine Rache gilt nicht ihnen." (Your revenge isn't directed at them). I mean, it could have been "Sie haben die Krankheit nicht ausgelöst." or something, and I don't quite get the change here.

In the flashback to the conversation between Vex and Percy, he says the famous line "Well, one can certainly try." In German, that's "Man kann es sicherlich versuchen." I realise, I never put that in the post for the earlier episode.

Vax tells Vex that he would gladly give his soul " for one day of your happiness ". In the dub, that's simply "um dich lächeln zu sehen" (to see you smile).

Orthax tells Vax that the Matron's fate cannot be changed to which Vax replies that it can certainly be bent when a golden thread appears in front of him. In German the fate is "in Stein gemeißelt" (carved in stone) and Vax says "Aber sicher nicht der Weg dahin" (But surely not the path leading to it) This is a free translation and I like it a lot, especially with the thread appearing that shows Vax the way to Percy.

Raven Champion is Rabenkrieger. I love it, especially because fairly often translations struggle with champion and rather keep the English than actually just using Kämpfer or Krieger, which are fitting translations in this context.

Winter's Crest remains in English. Interesting. You'd definitely need a really good idea for this because just putting Midwinter is maybe a bit too simple.

[fearthechild]

Literally the only thing I’m disappointed about in the latest batch of episodes.

[purplenerd777]

Der katzenprince!!

[simplegeneral]

While I loved to watch season 3, a lot of things kinda cut off my vibes, and one of them was Raishan, I do think she is a downgrade.

For starters, their meeting was a mess, its kinda what I expected, but just because Keyleth says no, they all agree with her, not even Percy, a notable pragmatic voice in the campaign, even stands up to try to say something.

They only start thinking about the benefits of allying with Raishan, AFTER their meeting, instead of you know, WITH her. They just keep passively-mostly-aggressively kinda working with her anyways?

And this meeting makes even less sense as they are reaching to the final of the season, with Keyleth going to... apologize? To a mass murderer? That gotta to be one of the most contrived and nonsensical conflicts I ever saw, an infinite downgrade compared to Vax and Vex just uncovering her plot.

Keyleth just started acting as if Raishan was just misunderstood, poor girl (I mean, I feel for her, ngl xD), but no, that's an brutal 180º on Keyleth's character, with barely any sense, all Raishan did was to put Vox Machina in trouble after trouble that mostly they escaped due to plot armor.

I also overall didn't liked Raishan attacking Keyleth just for the lols, she in the original was pragmatic, and keeping faithful, would mostly likely just accept Keyleth's apology and move on with her plan. Then Vox Machina would stop her, because they went after her for no reason in the campaign, Raishan was a non-threat, but well, villains gotta be defeated, one way or another. (Kinda wanted to see Raishan in c2).

The ending was alright, I just thought that she exchanging bodies with Thordak was a bit of a lazy premise to end up defeating her with her disease.

I understand this all could be from smahing hours and hours and hours of campaign into 20 minutes episodes, but some of the changes, I thought Raishan in the original was a better character overall, she was the villain I love to see, a mastermind, she is not too evil, just maybe too pragmatic, willing to do anything whatsoever to achieve her goals.

TLOVM Raishan is probably really wondering Vox Machina's mental sanity, as much as she wonders what is left of Thordak's. They keep giving her mix signs of cooperation or conflict. Poor girl is just lost, and I love she just keeps trying her best, despite the very confusing signs they give her.

She ends up being kinda of a very compelling anti-hero, that I actually liked more about TLOVM Raishan than the original.

I'm not even going to try to pretend that the Thordak - Raishan Dracolich thing wasn't rad as fuck. Because it was. It was rad as fuck. But I can't help but feel it undercuts a bit of what made Raishan cool in the stream.

She is the only female dragon in the Chroma Conclave. She is the smallest member, physically the weakest, and diseased besides. But she turned out to be easily the most dangerous and deadly dragon of the bunch, just through her smarts and her magic.

(Spoilers for Campaign One under the cut.)

While everyone was still spent from Thordak's defeat, she hit Vex, Vax, and Keyleth with a spell that literally called down meteors that did 101 points of damage, even after all three made the save. The group had to wait until the next session to find out if Vex was still even alive. In her last solo battle, she used invisibility to deadly effect. Cutting her off from her spells was the only thing that gave them a chance.

And what makes Raishan dangerous in TLOVM is her...stealing the body of a much bigger and physically stronger male counterpart. Okay.

This doesn't eradicate Raishan's original cool factor. She is smart enough, knowledgeable enough, and deceptive enough to pull off the body swap, after all. But in the stream, she was such a dangerous, unstoppable foe all on her own that I can't help but see her TLOVM incarnation as a downgrade.

[arthurn9]

Gonna say my peace before going to bed because I'm already seeing this on the Beacon discord:

TLoVM is a different show than Critical Role Campaign 1. One is an adaptation of the other. Adaptations change things to fit the medium they are adapting to.

A lack of Lament-ing isn't necessarily bad. It just doesn't fit within the altered narrative of TLoVM. Vox Machina didn't accidentally make Scanlan break the promise of never appearing weak, so there wasn't that same bitterness when he woke up. They also didn't fucking prank him meanly (a decision I kinda always questioned when it happened in C1, it was kinda mean-spirited). This version of Scanlan and Kaylie had a much better rapport and were in a much better place after everything was said and done. The other members leaving and doing their own thing also makes sense, given their motivations.

If you prefer the angsty original, go watch C1E83-85. They were fucking amazing episodes. If you like softer, more bittersweet endings, watch TLoVM S3E12, et al. It was very nice!

I'm not saying to not dislike something, just don't be a dick about it to people that like the change.