#this is such a lesbian gifset and i will not apologize

[rosamundpkes]

MOIRAINE DAMODRED + HANDS in The Wheel of Time (2021 - )

[cerealbishh]

"But, you've obviously been useful. So... stop feeling bad for yourself! And pull up whatever granny panties you wear and fix it!"

[pseudophan]

I apologize in advance because I know it is very annoying of me to point this out but in the lesbians on AO3 gifset, in the last gif Dan said "someone else of their gender". anyway that quote meant a LOT to me to hear and thank you for giffing it regardless!! what a video huh!!

no he did say 'IN their gender' and i debated changing it to 'of' because it makes more sense but decided to just go with what he said. dan does that a lot, he's very good at saying things and getting it just like. vaguely wrong. but it still makes sense so it's fine

what a video indeed!

[derpyfins]

My apologies to the guy next to me on the bus who just wants to get to the office and get his deliverables sorted before the holiday but has to deal with me giggling and kicking my feet while scrolling through endless gifsets of lesbian sex and gay suicide, unable to stop telegraphing my emotions to anyone within a five mile radius.

We're stuck in the tunnel and I am literally dancing in my seat to Ma Meilleure Ennemie. I'm not locked in here with him he's locked in here with me. I am so sorry dude. But not sorry enough to turn the music down

[theythemsam]

Spn & homophobia: dean saying fight those fairies, the gay sassy dog, sam calling dean "butch", the ghostfacers bs & also maybe the chief scene + maybe the "it gets better", "you know im not gay right?" Sam & Kevin scene

[bestworstcase]

catradora lmao

this thing

in with a curveball huh murphy 

jksdfkj

ok so obviously a fantasy sci-fi show built around lesbian childhood friends to enemies to lovers and they kiss on screen at the end is very exciting in and of itself. i watched spop with hemlock and we were both freaking out the night s5 dropped. but also like spop was an excellent story and i had a great time watching it but afterwards it lived in my brain as a kind of background radiation ‘wow! neat story!’ for a week or so and then just left so now a year later i have to admit i do not have particularly Strong Feelings about any individual piece of it rip

that being said - im sorry (im not) but you literally cannot escape me talking about tangled no matter what - ok, so, before hemlock got me to watch the first four seasons of spop it was like, i think this was during the s3 post-BVA hiatus? and spop and catradora specifically were very popular with the cassunzel contingent of the tts fandom so everything i knew about the show besides what hemlock had told me was. a handful of gifsets from s1 that circulated endlessly on my dashboard and then also, just, so many posts drawing parallels between catradora and cassunzel and i have to say. honestly i don’t see it LKJSLDJK

like ok yes there are some obvious superficial similarities and you can def draw parallels between catra and cass, and adora and rapunzel, as individual characters, but the vibe of their relationships feels to me just, so completely different.

with cassunzel you’ve got rapunzel and cassandra getting into this intense friendship that is so fraught from the beginning with this insurmountable power imbalance and however well-meaning rapunzel is she still continually treats cassandra just, so poorly, and it just gets worse and worse and worse for two years until cassandra snaps and lashes out in this catastrophically destructive way. and yes cassandra does very bad things and hurts rapunzel tremendously throughout the course of s3, but because of how things shake out in s1-2 on balance i still feel like she is, at the end of the day, the wronged party, and so their reconciliation - with no apology from rapunzel and no demonstration of change or even that she has learned. anything - really doesn’t sit right with me, and a post-s3 cassunzel fic would have to work very hard to get me on board.

catradora on the other hand - while yes there is obv this moral layer to their conflict of adora being on the right side of the war and catra being on the wrong one, and catra has to switch sides before a reconciliation is possible - their interpersonal conflict feels so much more equitable to me. they have all these shared childhood experiences and this deep love for each other that comes from having grown up together, always looking out for each other, and then this extremely deep hurt of adora abandoning catra for her new friends and this new cause because it’s the right thing to do (with this undercurrent of: why did it take seeing harm done to total strangers for adora to grasp that the horde was evil when she spent their whole childhood watching shadowweaver torture catra?), and then for both of them that hurt continues to fester and grow as they clash over and over again. so when they come together again they both have a lot of work they need to do to bridge that gap, and heal, and build a better relationship with each other. 

it’s fraught! and there’s this element of mutual effort and neither of them being, in the context of their personal relationship, blameless, that makes the reconciliation work for me. like i actually believe and enjoy the ‘to lovers’ part of the friends to enemies to lovers arc? because it’s not a situation where - i mean catra has a lot more to apologize for obv because she has to reconcile with everyone, but again speaking specifically and only of her personal relationship with adora, they are on fairly equal footing and it’s never a... catra has to grovel for adora’s forgiveness or vice versa situation. they are just getting better and doing better, together. 

also save the cat was a good fucking episode

[maggiecheungs]

2020 ~everything~ wrap

i finally have time to do all of the tag games that people have tagged me in over the past month or so! i cannot for the life of me remember who tagged me in which one, so i’m just putting ~everything~ in one huge post. if i tag you anywhere then consider it a standing invitation to do whichever of these you haven’t done :) in fact, this is me issuing a standing invite to any of my followers who wants to do it :) also, thank you all!

Creator Wrap: Favourite Works

Rules: It’s time to love yourselves! Choose your 5 (or so) favorite works you created in the past year (fics, art, edits, etc.) and link them below to reflect on the amazing things you brought into the world in 2020. Tag as many writers/artists/etc. as you want (fan or original) so we can spread the love and link each other to awesome works!

this collection of philosophy quotes paired with thai bl series, (and its sequel) which is possibly my favourite thing i’ve ever made. for, uh, nerd reasons.

these gifted text post memes i made still make me laugh sometimes

this fic about green from 2gether, which i wrote in the notes app on my phone and published the same day. not my absolute best writing but i am very fond of it <3

i have a bunch fof friend zone dangerous area edits/shitposts which i like, but i’m particularly fond of my fzda as satire headlines (which now has a sequel!)

i also love my crisgood-walmart-lesbian post. i might send it in to gmmtv to try and convince them to do a crisgood-bffs spin-off

+ bonus: since i wrote this list i made this gifset (my first ever!) of jennie panhan in the shipper and i love her too much not to include her on here

+ extra nerdy bonus: this niche meme about Chinese philosophy, which still makes me crack up whenever I think about it

Favourite Creators/Follow Forever

i’ve completely lost track of who’s following who from which blog, so this is just going to be a haphazard, non-exhaustive list of people who i adore/admire/am vaguely intimidated by, mutuality be damned. maybe we talk all the time! maybe we’ve never interacted! maybe i am constantly there in ur tags... lurking... 👀... but if you’re on this list you have made me smile at least once this year and i love you for that alone <3

@wjmild kylie!! you make gifs of arm & tay & lee (separately or in various combinations) & the shipper & and kapook & random fluke pusit cameos & school rangers so i don’t have to <3 ilysm

@janeramida vianey, you have such impeccable taste in general, but your sizzy gifset in particular is so gorgeous it lives in my mind rent free

@applelapis bri, this post was a callout and i want you to know that it haunts me at night as i lie awake staring at the ceiling :((((( i hope you are happy

@gigiesarocha cata, i love it when you show up on my dash bc you have!! such taste!! also, every time you gif gigie i gain five years of life <3 pls continue doing the Good Work

@pvrrish​ eleni, i remeber legit thinking that this was an official poster when i first saw it, it’s so beautiful

@ahysopae​ juliette your khaithird fic is so good and it literally changed the way i think about khai (not an easy feat)

@kurosawadachi angel, whenever i think about grace’s speech i remember your gifset and get literal chills

@doctorbahnjit alexa, you have no right to be as funny as you are. your friend zone edits give me life

@khaotungthanawat sam, you’re probably sick of getting tagged in these lists by random strangers, but i just had to bc your gifsets are Pure Art

@tanwirapong roa, all your gifsets are so ✨iconic✨

faiza @asianmelodrama and rahul @petekaos! yours were the first two thai drama blogs i followed and for ages i lowkey thought of you as my fandom parents.

and some more blogs that make me happy: @curlykytta / @lee-thanat  / @fck-inspector-m / @pangwave / @tichawongtipkanon / @tawanv @kimmonv (violet istg i have spent more time this year trying to figure out how many blogs you have than i have spent admiring your gifsets. & i spend a lot of time admiring your gifsets) / @taytawan / @1akorn and @yihwas (and your radiant lovechild @lakornladies ofc) / @teh-ohaew / @vihokratanas (mel your gifsets are just so gorgeous) / @tootiredtoosadtooangry / @headcompletelyempty / @demiromanticmickey​ / and there are definitely more but my brain is a sieve so apologies if i’ve forgotten anyone!! i love you all!! 

2020 HIGHLIGHTS ✨

rules: list your top 10 shows (bl or not) you watched in 2020 (doesn’t necessarily have to be shows that came out in 2020 though!)

1. 2GETHER & STILL2GETHER

my first thai drama, and even after all the amazing shows i’ve watched this year, it still has a special place in my heart. watching 2gether was the first time i’d ever seen a queer romcom that just... was. for me, by the simple fact of its being, 2gether was revolutionary. and then still2gether came along and took all the best things about the first season and gave us something beautiful and quiet and lovely and just proved to me, once and for all, that queer happiness doesn’t need to justify its own existence. there can be gay cuddles on the beach for no other reason than that we want them. 

2. UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN

i don’t really have the words for this one but. it makes my heart so very soft.

3. FRIEND ZONE 2: DANGEROUS AREA

season one was mindless fun because everyone was an absolute trashfire and it was hella cathartic to watch, but season 2... wow. i love it for so many reasons: it has messy and authentic queer rep; the characterisation is excellent and i somehow care about all of the characters; amazing women taking centre stage(!); a wlw relationship with lesbian, ace and bipolar rep; multiple interesting plotlines; actual character development; arm weerayut as a chaos gremlin... absolutely one of my favourites of 2020.

4. CHERRY MAGIC

i don’t think i need to explain this one, which is fortunate, because i have no idea how exactly i’d describe the happy-warm-fuzzy-queer-seen-loving-affirmed-profound feeling that rises in my chest whenever i think about it. 

5. THE GIFTED: GRADUATION

confession: i liked season 2 more than season 1 (with the exception of the ending, which we don’t talk about). season 1 was enjoyable and interesting, but for me it was season 2 which made me love this series. it did some incredibly interesting and complicated things (even if it didn’t quite nail the landing): it pushed characters to the breaking point and wove so many layers into the story and questioned its own underlying themes. plus, watching it alongside everyone in the fandom made it 200% better. i love all of you and i love this show. egg girl 5eva.

6. THE SHIPPER

i 100% understand why so many people didn’t like this show, or found it problematic, but through some fluke it absolutely worked for me (even the ending). one day i will write an essay explaining my rationale, but for now i’ll just say that it’s one of my favourite shows about adolescence and queerness and identity and compassion and friendship and love that i’ve ever watched. 

7. YYY

this series is absolutely off its rocker, and it somehow managed to be one of the most affirming shows i’ve watched. it shouldn’t have worked by it did, and i love it so much.

8. 3 WILL BE FREE

absolutely iconic. amazing plot, stunning visuals, great characters, canon polyamory, jennie being incredible... what a series.

9. MANNER OF DEATH

i love the fact that this show exists; i love the mix of crime and romance; i love maxtul’s acting; i love the central relationship; i love bun. i know we’re not even halfway through yet, but this show is doing something special and i’m so grateful that i get to watch it unfold in real time. 

10. CHIHAYAFURU (SEASON 3)

odd one out on my list, but I had to include it. chihayafuru is my all-time favourite anime and it finally got a third season, which is somehow even better than the first two. mashima taichi is one of my favourite characters of all time and his storyline hits me on such a profound level. plus, in the years since i first say this show i’ve fallen in love with classical japanese literature (particularly heian poetry) so i had newfound appreciation for the karuta matches (aka i cried every time someone recited one of my favourite poems)

other favourites: together with me, he’s coming to me, sotus and sotus s, my dear loser: edge of 17, why r u, theory of love, wake up chanee!, gameboys, pearl next door, uta koi (anime), three kingdoms (2010), blood and water (netflix). (itsay would almost certainly be on my list if i’d had time to watch it. same with dark blue kiss, which i had to pause so i could do my assignments)

Final Thoughts

well, it’s been... a year (i don’t think anyone needs a reminder of the details) but writing this post has reminded me of all the amazing shows and people I discovered over the course of it.

thank you to everyone for being so lovely and creative and funny and quirky and kind and passionate. you’re all incredibly awesome people and i wish all of you the very best xx

[tthankstoyou]

Why does my dash feel racists right now?? (The gays of glee) I guess let's forget Santana is actually gay for these token white people, one who is not canon gay.

Hi there! I apologize for coming off as insensitive towards the other queer characters on the show. I know that Quinn is only gay in fanon and I love and respect Santana and her story so much. I don’t mean to erase all that she has done for the LGBTQ+ community by tagging a kuinn gifset as “the gays of glee.”

If you look at my blog, you can see that Quinn and Kurt are my fav characters. I didn’t mean to erase Santana, Blaine, Dani, Brittany, Elliott, Sebasitian, Adam, Eli C, Chandler, and any other canon queer character on the show.

Santana made a huge impact in people’s lives and I love her character for that. I also would like to remind you that not every lesbians relationship with their sexuality is the same as Santana’s. I personally relate more to fanon Quinn than I do to Santana. I had a lot of trouble trying to find where my sexuality fits in with my relationship with God, and I find comfort in fanon Quinn’s story with that. That’s why I tagged that post “the gays of glee.” Not because she’s white, but because both fanon Quinn and I are heavily religious lesbians. Her fanon story helped me realize that it’s okay to be lesbian and believe in God.

Me and you having different relationships with sexuality and discovering who we are is perfectly okay. What’s beautiful is that the glee fandom has created a safe space for queer people to find comfort in many characters who may not be queer in canon.

I love Santana with all of my heart and her character paved the path for so many other lesbian characters in media.

[mushroomjar]

[Image Description: A gifset of scenes from First Kill with Tumblr text posts edited onto them.

1: Juliette, very carefully, removes a bee from Calliope’s shoulder, cupping it in her hands. Text post reads: dying at how first kill episode 1 is just juliette living in the romcom genre while calliope is in the thriller genre

2: Juliette and Calliope making out in the pantry, knocking multiple jars of cherries off the counter and breaking them. Text post reads: cal and jules were really dry humping and breaking glasses of cherries in a house that wasn’t theirs and fucking up against a tree in the middle of a party in the woods like what happened to class (the word “class” is in all caps)

3: Juliette bites Calliope’s neck. Text post reads: so I started watching first kill and would like to publicly apologize to everyone who I secretly judged during the twilight craze in middle school. I get it now, if this stuff had hit my brain at 12 I too would have gone wild

4: Calliope stares at Juliette from across the classroom. Text post reads: that awkward moment when you only realize a girl is a vampire because you thought she was cute so you kept staring at her

5: Margot grabs Talia by the arm while talking to her. Text post reads: v.e schwab said “”there are no straight vampires” and then gave us talia and margot having the fruitiest of tension and i respect her for that

6: Calliope stakes Juliette, who screams out in pain. Text post reads: I really thought first kill was going to be about two girls who fell in love and then realized they were on opposite sides of a fight, but to have them know before and yet they still fall in love? Big power move from this show.

7: Sebastian cries as he talks to Margot. Text post reads: first kill is my new favorite show because it had lines like “it was not match for the gods of olympus. so why would i be immune to the insanity of first love?” but also “did you eat... my mother?” and that duality is camp

8: Calliope and Juliette make out against a tree. Calliope bites Juliette’s neck. Text post reads: It’s actually insane how much cal goes for juliettes neck like isn’t juliette supposed to be the neck biter wtf cal

9: Elinor speaks nonchalantly. Text post reads (in all caps): I can fix her she can make me worse

10: Calliope and Juliette kiss while laying in bed. Text post reads: “First Kill is bad” to you (the word “you” is in all caps). It was actually made for me personally though so shut up (the word “me” is in all caps). Sorry you can’t appreciate a pining lesbian vampire with a gay best friend that’s ride or die, a lesbian monster hunter with a neon aesthetic and a relationship with her ex, milfs, a complete lack of homophobia, monster hunting, shitty cgi, and cliche romantic tropes queer people never got to enjoy, but me? Well I can because I have taste (the word “taste” is in all caps)

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[Plain text caption: First Kill + text posts]

FIRST KILL + text posts

[thehollowprince]

Hey, it’s the “coding” anon here and honestly that answer to my question was excellent and the exact reason I come to your blog. I would absolutely love to hear you go on about the fetishization of m/m relationships!

This has been sitting in my inbox for over a week, and I want to apologize. I'm sorry for taking so long to get to this one, but I'm overworked at the moment. I've been pulling 60+ hour work weeks, by myself and I haven't had off since the first of December, so I'm a little tired. But I'm here and I'm ready to murder this bitch of a subject.

For starters, and for context, in case anyone who sees this doesn't follow my blog or, if you do and don't really pay attention, I am a gay man, so a lot of this comes from my own personal experience.

Now, onward my fandom soldiers.

M|M Fetishization & Objectification

I've only been super active within fandom spaces for the last couple of years. Before that, I just scrolled through Tumblr and reblogged gifsets and fluffy headcanons and whatnot, but even then I noticed a trend in fandoms that made me uncomfortable. That trend was the overabundance of gay men (chatacters) in fandom works, especially when there either weren't any gay men in that show or book or whatever.

I'm not at all saying we need less of that. I want and need more gay characters in the things I watch and read. That's actually one of the criteria I look for before I start a new show, or a book series or comics. I want to see myself represented in the media I consume, even if it is only this one tiny piece of who I am. But the problem for me arose when I saw all these fan works and headcanons and gifsets and thesis length metas about gay or bi male characters that were neither of those things in their original source material.

The biggest examples of this occured in fairly popular shows that I loved at one point, but do to a combination of bad writing and then the horrible fandom, drove me to actively dislike and avoid them. And that's always a sad thing, when you end up losing the love you had for something because others just won't let you enjoy it as it is.

Those two examples are Teen Wolf and Supernatural.

For years I watched people go on and on and on and on about Stiles Stilinski and Dean Winchester and how they were bisexual and so on and so forth.

There's nothing wrong with headcanoning a character as gay or bisexual, especially when those characters are severely lacking on screen and on paper. The problem arose when the fandom at large started to ignore the ACTUAL gay or bisexual characters that are in these shows and focus solely on their headcanons as the only representation in the show.

To start with Teen Wolf, we had, in the first season, an openly gay character that everybody in the school loved, that being Danny Mahealani. This character was introduced as gay from the very start, but oddly enough, there is almost no large fandom meta or fics or anything about him. In fact, a lot of his traits and qualities ended up transferred to Stiles, such as his intelligence and overall popularity. Hell, even Danny's attraction to Derek was stolen and transferred to him. These aren't things that Stiles is overall known for in the actual canon. He's clumsy and socially awkward and on the outskirts of the school like Scott (the main character) and has been obsessed (to the point of being considered a stalker) with one girl since elementary school, but somehow, in fandom, Stiles is suddenly the genius polyglot queer with severe depression who has a crush on the broody muscular werewolf who just wants somebody to love him.

Fandom created this portrayal of the character that didn't exist anywhere in the fandom except for his appearance. The reason I saw behind this was twofold. 1: fangirls (fandom is mostly female) want to see two "hot" guys kiss and get it on because they get off to it, much in the same way that straight men get off to lesbian porn. 2: Stiles (or any of these headcanoned characters) becomes a sort of self insert.

What I mean by that second one is that women and girls find a male character that's not "too masculine", usually kind of gangly or skinny, somewhat on the effeminate side. Someone that they can project their ideas and insecurities and so forth onto so that they can that pursue that relationship with the hunky manly man that they want to bang.

You may be asking yourself, "Why don't they just use one of the female characters as a self insert?" and I'm here to tell you that I have neither the time nor the experience to go into detail about internalized misogyny and how effects the way women do almost everything, even watching and interpreting their media.

But the reason they chose the male character is that, years ago, during the dark days of FF.net there was a lot of self insert OCs that infiltrated almost every level of fanfiction. Which caused the fandom gatekeepers to rear out of their hibernation and just shame anyone who tried to introduce an Original Character to this already beautiful world and ruin it with their lusts. Thus the OCs slowly disappeared and identifying with the male sidekick was born. And this is generally where we get the whole "my smol gay son!" bullshit. (side note: please keep in mind that 75% of shows are male characters and their problems, which is another cause for female fans to identify solely with men.)

So, for years, I watched Danny, and then his boyfriend Ethan, being shoved aside in fandom spaces so that the fans could focus Sterek (Stiles and Derek) despite the fact that both characters were stared to be heterosexual and that, on screen, they expressed nothing but mutual dislike for one another, if not outright hatred. This got so bad that Sterek, the crack ship whose members had no romantic or sexual interactions whatsoever, managed to beat (by a very large margin) actual gay ships from both this show and others in a fan poll. It got even worse when the character of Danny was written off the show (with no explanation) and we were introduced to the character of Mason.

Mason Hewitt was everything that fandom!Stiles was. He was smart and funny and openly gay and crushing on a hot werewolf. He even did the research that the fandom loved to attribute to Stiles, literally everything that the fandom had Stiles doing in fanon, but somehow the love for him (Mason) wasn't that big of a note in the fandom. I mean, Mason was even a major plot point of season five and the pack's mission to stop the Beast, but i heard nothing but cricket chirps from the fandom.

You'd think that after Stiles was written out of the show for the last season that maybe Mason will get some love now, right?

Wrong!

I didn't think it was possible to get any worse, but the fandom proved me wrong. Because instead of focusing all their pent up energy on Mason and his boyfriend, Corey, who had a number of cute moments in that final season, these fans focused on another crack ship that had no basis anywhere except in their fantasies. That ship being Thiam, which is based, once again, around two characters who actively dislike, if not outright hate, each other and even physically assault one another. But no, that apparently is a display of affection by someone who is emotionally stunted and just needs love to blossom and be his true self.

You notice how often the fetishization of homosexuality (even if only imagined) intersects with woobification?

You'll notice, if you look at Danny and Mason, that they're both POC, with Danny being brown (Hawai'ian) and Mason being black. Now, as I've said before on this blog multiple times, I am the Whittest White Man to ever White, so I don't have any qualifications to talk about fandom racism, so I'm just going to leave that little nugget there for you to think about and interpret how you will.

Moving on to Supernatural...

Before we start with this one, understand that I have not watched this show outside of an episode here and there since season eight, because I realized that no, this show wasn't going to get any better, so if any of this is contradictory to what has happened over the past six seasons (god, this show needs to die!) I do apologize.

Dean Winchester... I never really liked this character, especially as the show went on and I started to actively dislike and then, hate him. So it was annoying not being able to go into any aspect of the Supernatural fandom without coming across a post about Dean and his issues or his Bi sexiness or how his brother was mean to him.

Also, people, understand that this wasn't a new revelation for me. My dislike for Dean and the fandom's obsession with making him bisexual just so they could hook him up with Cas wasn't an overnight decision. I was there...

I was there at the Beginning, when this show first aired, when the ONLY constant characters on this show were Sam and Dean. I endured the hellfire that was Wincest and its infection of almost the entire fandom. Like, that right there, that was one of the most extreme cases of m|m fetishization I've ever seen, because the fandom needed to get off to two guys being together so badly that they turned to actual brothers for want of any other male character.

That's why Destiel immediately became so popular, because here was another guy that we saw with semi regularity that wasn't rated to the Winchesters, obviously they were meant to ship them.

Now, you may be asking yourself, "I thought this bitch was going to talk about gay fetishization, not his dislike for one character?" to which I'll just say I very easily go off tangent. But all of that is relevant because, come one of these later seasons, there was a scene where Dean was at a bar and the (male) bartender hit on him, and he didn't react negatively or homophobic.

Oh, my God, I watched my dash and the tags explode in post after post, meta after meta, about how Bi Dean was canon confirmed! Now he and Cas will HAVE to be together, because its canon that Dean likes guys. and Cas is an angel, who doesn't follow human sexual limitations, and... blah, blah, blah.

Cut to a few years later, and we're introduced to a character named Max Banes, a witch and hunter, who is openly gay and flirts with Sam in his first appearance. Where were all of his metas and fanfics and headcanons? Granted, he only appeared in two episodes, but I have watched people in this and other fandoms build mountains our of molehills, going on and on about how two male characters weren't actually straight and how they were destined to be together because the once wore similar style shirts a couple of seasons apart, or because of a carnation in a jacket pocket that signified love via the Victorian flower code (or something like that), or how the wallpaper of that room they shared a scene in was a subtle clue to their true desire for each other, etc.

And I'm not exaggerating there, those are actual examples I've seen in fandoms over the years.

But back to Max, why is it that he was left along the wayside, despite fitting most of the criteria that fandoms love in their m|m ships while Dean had entire thesis level posts about that time he shared a glance with Castiel or he let a bartender hit on him and not get upset?

And its not just these two shows, not by a long shot. If you were to go into literally any fandom of a certain size or bigger, you will come across fans putting two straight characters together because of "the chemistry" they have. Even if those characters are confirmed to be straight - especially if those characters are confirmed to be straight. Because when these loud fans don't get their crack ship that they rub one out to, they scream queerbaiting and homophobia and oppression, harassing the actors and producers and directors and writers.

Here are some others that just pop to the front of my mind...

Asher Millstone from How To Get Away With Murder (saw him shipped with Connor a lot, despite Connor's actual boyfriend)

Sherlock Holmes and John Watson from BBC's Sherlock

Tony Stark from Marvel comics (all because of one panel where he said "ladies and gents" when he announced he was off the market

Literally any male character in the MCU, which is his we get the things like Stucky and Stony that permeate the fandom on almost every level (and some leeway is given here because of the MCU's lack of wueer characters)

Klaus Mikaelson and Stefan Salvatore from The Vampire Diaries/The Originals (honestly, I was surprised that people in the TVD fandom weren't immediately all over Josh and Lucas, because they're literally everything that fans want and use in their headcanon gays)

Kol Mikaelson and Jeremg Gilbert, also from TVD

Elia and Filippo from Skam Italia (despite there being, once again, actual gay characters on this show. Hell, the entire second season was dedicated to a character coming out of the closet and being with a guy)

Etc.

I could go on and on but then this post would seem infinite.

Closing thoughts, please keep in mind that I am just one guy and that my opinions don't represent everyone in fandom spaces. But also bear in mind, that my frustrations are well founded and valid from my own experiences in the fandom.

My sexuality and the fact that I'm attracted to men is not a toy for a bunch of sexually repressed fangirls who think two guys being together is hot.

[indiemovies]

AND I LOVE YOU <333 i'm not even kidding this is. where most of my brainpower has been going and i am so okay with that !!! truly the Nancy Scholars have ascended anything the duffers could do with her character in s5

yeah !!!! after seeing her with murray it was so clear that journalism was going to become a Passion tm for her. and then for them to follow up with that and show her really wanting to pursue it, and actually being really good (bar the part where her sexist and thick-skulled bosses were assholes and later died ofc). i totally agree, she's definitely found comfort in being justified for following her suspicions, and then later, even with the school paper. she needs things to do, to keep her occupied, so she conquers yet another thing and finds a similar thrill in covering a new topic, in finally being in charge and in exploring all of these people and whatnot

THERE'S NO WAY FOR HER TO WIN. GOD. YEAH. it really is just so…. yeah. she's stuck between these two world, and maybe if the upside down had continued like,, a week or two after the first time, she might have found herself turning entirely to being an adult figure, and more thoroughly burying the more innocent version of herself ? but as you said, it leaves her fractured and she has no idea how to convey that in any sort of way. i think she's probably the best character they've displayed that shift with? jonathan too, where he's got a load of guilt from s1 but even then, we don't really see much of that until s4 where he starts smoking and finding argyle as a friend to share,,, something that doesn't involve an alternate and deadly dimension crawling with monsters ! though the writers don't explore him smoking as some sort of coping mechanism it's pretty implied and it definitely gives him a way to separate himself from the past and [insert something about his relationship with will because they NEEDED to explore that more but i don't have the brainspace to fully flesh that out]

SO WHO IS NANCY WHEELER !!! god i would love to see that as a spinoff. nancy and barb moments, nancy and mike moments, nancy hunting monsters and trying to find one person's barb as a way to try and heal her own past…. nancy falling in love with robin… all of it.

!!! absolutely and idk if the writers were purposely building ronance like that or if it was somewhat rushed bc… bc. but either way it does work. and maybe it's that robin is so Different than all of her other friends? especially from barb, who we've seen as more caustic and a little sharp in the same ways that nancy could be sharp, and their relationship had so much history behind it, but robin is. earth-shatteringly different. not someone nancy would normally hang out with, and she's loud and doesn't seem to understand when nancy gets irritated, and instead of retreating or giving up she keeps pushing and poking and it works. and yeah !!! i think after all these years, nancy has firmly cemented herself in a world of heteronormativity and pushed away anything else, even though there was something that was always fighting against her parents' cul-de-sac life. and it's so funny when she pushes robin and doesn't believe that her and steve are platonic because for the life of her, she can't figure out how that makes sense (and also. because every good friend she's had she's ended up dating lmao. not that robin's about to break that pattern but just. yknow). i am very much thinking about the byler ronance parallels tyvm! the wheeler family does not know what romantic love is lmao! never apologize for a ronance rant though !!!! i love hearing all your thoughts :D

HOLY CRAP YOUVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD !!! absolutely like. sometimes i’ll read stuff about her or see a gifset and go nancy wheeler is so bi coded <3 and then. other days the very thought of her name has me referring to her in my head as a lesbian. and i think it’s probably influenced by the fandom too? like perhaps there’s this part of me that recognizes that a lot of the nancy fans w the whole blog look and whatnot are pretty adamant about her being a lesbian, and i can def see their point! but there’s also a part of me that’s not sure if i see her as bi or if i’ve just grown tired of the “well if she’s a lesbian then why was she with steve and jonathan/doesn’t that make her even worse to have dated them both??” so… i dont know if she ever Romantically Loved steve or jonathan, but i think she definitely loved them as Her People tm. and oh !!! it’s a bit of a stretch but maybe it ties back to nancy not really knowing how to love people properly, and she can’t tell if it’s comphet or nancy wheeler things

i don't know ! but i think it's okay pretty swag to hc nancy's sexuality either way, and maybe more so to flip between multiple ones <3 so long as she's not Normal (cishet teen girl completely neurotypical etc etc :/)

not even joking when i say these outlets are so necessary so all the nancy thoughts swirling around in my brain dont explode my head

yess i love what you said about journalism vindicating her hunches. there's so much to be said about nancy's voice, her desire to be heard and so many people in her life either not listening or actively silencing her. i think her growth in her confidence and assertion of herself and her thoughts is the greatest marker of her growth throughout the series, moreso than her abilities with a gun.

totally agree!!!!!! i wonder how the next season will play out, i've seen so many conflicting things about time jumps and whatnot. i wonder if this will be the first time where supernatural happenings have a prolonged stay in the story, and how that will affect these characters' psyches, especially nancy. it's kind of interesting seeing her switch between these personalities as the danger becomes more real and pressing and then when they defeat it and she's able to shower off all the dirt and grit and put on a newly pressed outfit and fix her makeup but even with that veneer of normalcy she can't pretend to be regular or really exist outside of a state of terror. so for the supernatural stuff to be dragged out even longer like it might be it creates such a unique conflict for her i think i just need to know what that is going to do to her brain!!! nancy in that specific mode for such a long time CAN'T be good for her but i also do wonder if some part of her feels more comfortable being in that state where there is a problem and she can help provide the solution and for a moment the people around her are experiencing the world the same way she does most of the time which is finding it terrifying and confusing and full of problems. does that make sense? or is the cold medicine taking over

"nancy hunting monsters and trying to find one person's barb as a way to try and heal her own past" AHHHHH you get it literally you get it. little supernatural private detective nancy spinoff i cant get it out of my mind ever since someone jokingly suggested it somewhere.....nancy needing robin's linguistic expertise for a case after them having not spoken for years.........the x files dynamic of it all........

THE WHEELER FAMILY'S TERRIBLE MISUNDERSTANDING OF LOVE LMAO!!!! they are such a failfamily it's so funny/sad. and yes EVERYTHING you said....robin doesn't back down she doesn't leave it alone she keeps showing up. both of them coming from differently broken families but still finding love in one another....found family even dare i say. byler/ronance parallels are so special...love built on friendship and understanding first...mutual pining/thinking it's one sided......it's about the hands........the inherent hilarity in going your whole life thinking you have a gay brother only to realize you're the gay sister...endless possibilities

HER NAME IS LITERALLY NANCY!!!!! yesss everything you said!! my mind changes depending on the most recent valid take on her sexuality i've seen lol. some part of me may always have a soft spot for bi nancy because of residual post-s1 stoncy feelings (the graphics people made!!! monster hunting trio champagnes bottles for sale. never popped.) but yes i totally agree nancy's feelings about love being so complicated and puzzling to her. she's like "i dont want you to die and i enjoy your company so maybe we should date?" also i do think the idea of shared trauma being so foundational for her in terms of relationships bc like we've said a lot she needs someone she knows can understand her bc so much of her personality is shaped by her experiences so of course she needs people who have been through similar experiences......the point has gotten away from me LOL i need to study her under a microscope

these talks are soooooo much fun!!!! they're like stretching a creative and analytic muscle for me and I LOVE YOU AND YOUR GENIUS TAKES<33333

[brownornaterugs]

@yicunhui omg!!! dude I just finished ep 7 I'm so fuckin HOOKED!! it like wasn't what I was expecting at all tbh but I'm just like!!! I can't stop watching I'm in love with every dynamic p much??? AND YEAH OMG THE VILLAINS!!!!!!!!! I actually got kinda sad that Lady Eve is dead (I spoiled it on accident) cos I really wanted to see like.. her potential after all her protection was gone?? who is she without them?? dead I guess...... but also I'm so mad they're dragging me in w Tobias's backstory of trauma like. they can't!!!! do that!!!!! no!!! but I guess that's sorta resolved for him after his n Tori's short revenge trip. AND IM LOOKIN THRU HER IG RN IM!!!!!!!! NAFESSA IS SO GORGEOUS IM!!!!!!!CRY???????? like omg I'd seen the gifset of anissa and lynn talking about when she came out as a LESBIAN and like. I'm just... I'm just so in this state of like...... black lesbian superhero.... hhhhhhhmygodddddddd!!!!!!!!!!! I can't even say anything intelligent about it except I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S A BLACK LESBIAN SUPERHERO HER NAME IS ANISSA PIERCE!!!!!!!!!!!! servin me that good food, that good news. anyway I'm gonna cry some more bc you just said with your hands to your keyboard that they renewed for another season!!!!!!!!!!! we are truly blessed. ALSO omg no worries!! no need to apologize lol!! LOVING THE ENERGY!!!

[femininenachos]

I totally get it dude, don’t apologize. I don’t have any siblings. I thought that was normal until around the first grade when I realized everyone in my class had siblings except for me 😅. No I don’t go to school in Europe. I’ve got family there tho. Starting Friday I’ll be back in Europe for Christmas so we’ll almost be in the same time zone! Yayy. That is, I’m assuming you’re living in Scotland. Btw, did you start watching the 100 when it came out or because you heard that Lexa is a lesbian?

I am still living in Scotland, so 🎉 to being almost same-timezone pals over Christmas.

I did watch the pilot episode of The Loo when it first aired and I thought it had potential. By episode three I realised it was actually terrible and gave up. Then, while season two was on, I kept seeing gifsets on my Tumblr dash featuring Lexa’s obvious gay thirst for Clarke and I was like 👀👀👀 “Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate.” And I’ve been ruined Clexa trash ever since.

I seem to be one of the few who is still (foolishly?) watching the show. Mainly, because I came to care a great deal for that bisexual space nugget Clarke Griffin—and all the ladies in the cast, really—and I’m intrigued to know how it’s all going to end. The last few episodes of season four were actually, dare I say it, pretty good.

How did you get into Clexa/The Loo, Santa?

[ibelieveinahappilyeverafter]

So, just to give a little update, I told my mom I was gay - or at least that I liked girls equally as i liked boys - and things went better than I thought. To sum it up, she said she still loves me, that I’m a legal adult and she won’t bother coming up here (which I was scared of), and subtly implied that I was going to hell. It went better than I thought!

Some little things that reassured me through the day yesterday when I was scared, crying, and felt the distance between those I love more than ever.

-A friendly girl in psychology noticed I was upset, she reassured me, told me her own story, and friended me on Facebook so I would have someone to talk to. 

-A gifset on tumblr of a singer with the words ‘I hope you ruined this shit for a reason. I hope you happy.’ 

-A clip from Fresh Off The Boat where a gay character confesses to someone in a lesbian bar about how she’s gay and the entire bar is ready to comfort or cheer for their baby gay. 

-Videos of yarn needlepoint that made me want to try it out some day. 

-My girlfriend. 

-Feedback from my psychology professor over my good essay and how she liked my kitten ear hat I crocheted. 

-The last dove chocolate in a bag with the single, unique quote on the wrapper of ‘Don’t apologize’. 

-Capturing a rare pet in World of WarCraft that I really love. 

-Listening to the words ‘We were born to make history’ the morning after The Event. 

-Knowing that with this there’s nothing else typing me to that woman.

It was a good day, I think. 

[nukaworld]

Okay but... You realise Harley Quinn is bi, not a lesbian, right? I saw your tag and it annoys me when people label bisexuals as either gay or straight. Just because a relationship she has with one guy is toxic, doesn't mean she isn't bi

pardner, 90% of the time i dont think what i write and given how the only harley quinn i’ve seen are gifsets from that batman cartoon on here and the one in suicide squad which means i know virtually nothing about her except “cute girl cool aesthetics” i need few layers of evolutionary conscious thinking to remember that harley quinn technically dated the joker which was a very “oh yeah right forgot about that” moment i had right now, but i am not overly happy about the accusatory tone of this as if I deliberately did that because sometimes, shit like that....happens. so yeah no erasure what so ever i apologize for the mistake on my behalf (which i will fix) but idk i think you can pretty much tell by the way i talk to people and run this blog that i wouldnt deliberately do it, maybe you dont follow me or dont follow me long enough but yeah

[fourlynchclover]

that sounds fucked up. what’s the whole story?

it WASSS i was pissed lmao i’m still pissed but anyway, back in 2014 i guess she found my tumblr and was idk? checking up on me? spying on me?? maybe she followed me, who knows (if u follow me feel free to unfuckinfollow :)) and one day i reblogged a gifset of some lesbian porn. she took the link from the porn on my blog, sent it to my mom, and asked her if she monitors my tumblr and that ‘she doesn’t care about my sexuality’ but ‘she doesn’t want me to mess up my future when employers look me up’ (haha fuck you cause i post my own damn self on pornhub now BITCH lmao) ANYWAY she told my mom all that, and told her to delete the messages cause she felt like a snitch. then told her she already told my other cousin, and they both told one of my aunts. later that night after my mom tried to talk to me about (but i wasn’t having it lmao) when she got in the shower i took her phone to see who it was, and saw everything she said. my blood was boiling dude i was so fucking mad at her. who the fuck gave her the right to tell ANYONE about MY sexuality? she couldn’t come to me and tell me not to fuckin post porn? she had to tell AT LEAST THREE OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS??? nah fuck her. she’s never apologized nor reached out to me again and i hope it stays that way 🤷🏻‍♀️