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laf-outloud · 2 years ago

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I hope it's okay to vent to you about this.

I am in disbelief. I didn't like it when Jensen said to "hate watch" the show or added in the would-be gaslighting line of "were you ever a real SPN fan in the first place?" I didn't care for how overgrown frat boy and egotistical ass he came across as in the MR podcast last year, especially about Jessica Alba. It just reeked of misogyny and typical toxic male performativity. But this "Suck it" takes the cake for me. Talk about an eye opener. How extremely unprofessional and petty.

Obviously, there's no video to watch to give context this time around but I'm thinking he knows that (based on the rules enforced there) and he has his wife with him and a room full of asskissers so he felt incredibly comfortable and said "fuck it" and said what he wanted to say when asked.

I was never an anti per se, of him or the show, but I did have criticisms of both (like so many others) and they were all legitimate. Despite that, I still gave the show a chance and it was appallingly bad. Even his Dean voiceovers were terrible (not once did it sound like Dean). And the thing with AU story telling is, you can't leave the full exposition until the end of a season (or movie) without some build-up. Even if they were completely full of shit and they came up with that in the 11th hour near the finale, they easily could have gone the route of "that's why there's so many things off about this universe like Carlos' hair trick and not sounding like Dean in the voiceovers and the Akrida" and it still would have been a better explanation than "suck it" and "everyone else has an AU multiverse, why not us?" (I guess people weren't wrong when they said he's desperate to be in the Marvel franchise or at least have a career comparable to RDJ). It makes no sense to leave that full exposition until the end (and they know it) because it negates any true interest and investment that an audience would have had in the ensemble cast that had been set up in the pilot, and in their universe and story line. By doing that in the end, it essentially did make it "The Dean Show". I don't have an issue with Dean being the person to pull the strings, but make it make sense; this is basic story crafting 101 for crying out loud.

The amount of vanity and smugness and overall ego that he is displaying right now is very off putting. The signs have all been there for the last couple of years, especially in this last year, but I still kept thinking "well, I don't necessarily have to be in love with him or up his ass to enjoy the work he puts out, he still played Dean for 15 years and I love Dean" but now, this really just puts me off of him for good. I have no desire to root for him or have any more interest to see what he's up to or even to see what asinine thing he says at the next con.

As much as I like Jared, when prequelgate happened, I stayed out of the ensuing drama. I could empathize with Jared, having been in a sort of similar situation myself (meaning I had taken to social media in the past, reacting to something that hurt me and making it public, and things snowballed from there) and I thought "the guy's human, why can't people understand that, he reacted to something that hurt him and caught him off guard, why hate on him, especially since he and Jensen talked it out so why continue the drama bullshit". I didn't agree with those defending Jensen by saying he didn't know about the announcement until it happened a few minutes prior, but I still loved J2 basically. But wow, Jensen has really gone further downhill in this past year alone, and I think it's abundantly clear that the reason he looks so miserable lately and appears to be drinking so much (I mean how many photos have we seen of this man in a social setting where he has a drink or can or bottle in his hand?) is maybe what others have said, he really cannot handle the reality check of realizing that not everyone kisses his ass. That not everyone accepted his show with open arms. That his name and persona weren't enough to ensure immediate success. That he wasn't thought of as the best producer ever. And if Danneel really does look at anti blogs, which there seems to be good evidence for especially since she mentioned Tumblr at NYCC all on her own, then I wonder how much she either showed him or made him aware of, especially since they now were both "producing" their own show and were most likely being told what the reactions were to TW (which is even more evidenced by Drake's explanation of the writers constantly changing the episode arcs in response to the feedback from fans and criticisms alike).

And the thing is, Jensen can sit there and tell himself that it was prequelgate or people bitching about canon issues, but the ratings speak for themselves. And even more so, the fact that additional producers were brought in, stunt casting had to be relied on, negative press (dislikes, comments, poll results) had to be requested to be removed, reshoots had to be done, the lack of promotion by said "original producers" (who expected their names to be enough to sell it but didn't bank on reinforcing that with engagement?), the finale not being turned into the network until 2 days before airing (and admitting that publicly) - all of this speaks to just how poorly this show was produced and a real leader (in any industry) automatically knows that it all starts with the top. That's what separates a leader from a boss (as you aptly pointed out in an earlier post of yours when highlighting the difference between Jared and Jensen in the EP roles). To echo your earlier sentiments, a boss is a guy who sits on his ass while the employees they hired do all of the back breaking work. They're only there to reinforce their title, "be the face" of the company, and collect all of the profits. Leaders dig in and get their hands dirty alongside their employees. They provide support where it's needed (like say the restaurant industry for example) and they do whatever it takes to turn out a successful product or service. Leaders even have a different type of mindset compared to bosses. Leaders want to flood the harbor to lift all of the boats at the same time so everyone will be successful which helps the end result; bosses only want their boat rising while all of the others stay below. And it's pretty sad to say that Jensen has now proven himself to be the latter. Telling your young cast not to "fuck it up" and explaining to one of your leads how to stand to appear taller on camera (the same young actress you seem to have a preoccupation with that gives off seriously creepy vibes - filming her while she's singing at SNS on your phone that people actually saw you do? no matter your intentions, that's yuck) in comparison to your other lead isn't being a leader. Admittedly sitting in your car, waiting for fires to put out (which obviously there were a ton and either they knew and didn't care or no one told them but it proves they didn't care enough to have their finger on the pulse because it wouldn't provide them with an immediate cashflow) does not a leader make. They'd already be there with fire extinguisher in hand, at the ready, making sure a fire wouldn't even have a chance to start.

Jensen and Danneel came up with this idea, and I would say Jensen is more responsible here because he got the idea approved, he attached his name to it, he was the one in the show for 15 years, he's obviously the one who expected the most to come from this. (and I still have yet to know what Danneel did other than make a playlist, support Jensen's ego 100%, go along for the EP credit ride, and give some input on the costuming). So that means it all starts with him. He may not like it but that's what a real leader would realize. If your project fails, it's not on your cast/employees or your union workers/crew or even your manager/showrunner; it's on you. You set the tone (as he and Jared both have stated time and time again, EP's, directors, and lead actors set the tones on sets). It's your production company (no matter how you got it). It's on you, pal.

This is very disappointing and a little disheartening if I"m honest. It looks as if those who said he was a selfish, greedy, lying, egotistical son of a bitch were right all along. And some people can blame his wife or her influence, but this appears to be all him, which makes me wonder just exactly what she deals with on a daily basis and what we don't see or hear. Not giving her a pass on her own behaviors but it does make me wonder, especially if he's this narcissistic. Either way, it's just sad.

Thanks for letting me get that out. I was so incredibly disappointed and frustrated with some of his reported comments. Ugh. Hope the rest of your night goes well!

Of course you can vent to me! I hope it helped you to write it all down and share.

I really can't add much else to what you've written. I think you've outlined just about every thought I've had about this whole debacle since it started. I was like you, initially. I didn't want to get involved in the prequel mess and kind of just watched from the sidelines (though I did side with Jared). After it became obvious that there was absolutely no remorse on Jensen's part, I joined in the conversations.

There were occasions when it seemed like maybe Jensen had hit rock-bottom and was ready to return to being the person we thought we knew from SPN, but a week or two later and he'd say or do something arrogant again and it really hasn't stopped. I don't know what rock-bottom looks like for him, I hope he doesn't have to reach that in order to turn things around, and for all we know, he never will. I'm just grateful TW is over and pray that Jensen's obsession with continuing SPN/Dean is over.

On a personal note, it's interesting that you should point out the leader/boss ask (credit to one of my anons for the Boss/Leader differences). My retired director texted me today looking for travel advice and your post reminded me of what a great director she was. She always got involved in the nitty-gritty of what we were doing, she respected us and our ideas, frequently asked our advice (even though we knew the final decision was hers), and she knew how to manage getting the job done while still having fun. Her leadership style reminds me a lot of how people describe Jared's. (She and her husband even showed up on a Saturday to help me move to my new house!) If you ever find yourself working with a fantastic leader, stick with them. They don't come around that often.

Thank you for sending in your thoughts! I truly enjoyed reading them and found myself nodding along quite frequently. I hope you have an enjoyable day/evening as well!

#ask box #completely agree with anon #anti jensen #prequelgate #insecure jensen #anti jensen's ego #anti danneel #long post

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bottleofbread · 2 months ago

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Looks sad. Whips out the Ukulele

"Hi. It's been a while since you saw my face. I haven't been doing so great, so I took a little break. A lot of people are saying some things about me that aren't quite true. It doesn't matter if it's true though just as long as it's entertaining to you. right? You guys having fun? All aboard the toxic gossip train chugging down the tracks of misinformation.

The toxic gossip train... They got a one-way ticket to manipulation station. Toxic gossip traaaain. Tie me to the tracks and harass me for my past. Rumors look like facts if you don't mind the gaps and I won't survive the crash but heyyyy. At least you are having fun.

Uh hi everyone, I've been wanting to come online and talk to you about a few things um even though my team has strongly advised me to not say what I want to say I recently realized that they never said that I couldn't sing what I want to say. So... (looks super smug and really proud of herself)

So here I am and um today I only want to talk about the facts so I hope that you'll be willing to listen.

Here we go.

Many years ago I used to message my fans uh but not in a creepy way like a lot of you are trying to suggest it was more of a loser kind of way but I was just trying to be besties with everybody. it's kind of like when you go to like a family gathering you know and there's a weird aunt there keeps coming up to you and going like "hey girl what's the tea?" and you're like that weird. Uhm that was me but in group chats with my fans. it was weird.

I've been sharing my life online for over 15 years I've poured my heart out to you and because of that I feel like I'm talking to my friends but in the beginning of my career I didn't really understand that maybe there should be some boundaries there.

There were times the DMS when I would share details of my life, which was really weird of me. I haven't done for in years you see, because I changed my behavior and I took accountability.

But that's not very interesting is it? So let's go on the toxic gossip train. Locomotives filed fueled with hateful accusations. The toxic gossip train. Steamrolling all over someone's reputation

Toxic gossip train, hop on board but close your eyes otherwise you'll realize that the train is made of lies and that the person you despise maybe didn't deserve to die, but hey at least you're having fun.

In all seriousness, I do think it's really important to hold people accountable for their mistakes um you know we should hope that everyone can learn from their mistakes and grow and change their behavior and be a better person. This is something that I've always tried to do when I make mistakes. It's something that I will continue to try to do...

What oh you don't care oh okay I thought you wanted me to take accountability but that's not the point of your mob mentality, is it? No, your goal is to ruin the life of the person you despise while you dramatize your lies and monetize their demise ... yeah.

I feel like I can already hear the comments on this video: she's gaslighting, manipulating oh she's a narcissist and a rat, I would never make a mistake like that.

oh I'm sorry I didn't realize that all of you are perfect, so please criticize me. Bring out the daggers made from your perfect past and stab me repeatedly in my bony little back. I'm sure you're disappointed in my shitty little song. I know you wanted me to say that I was 100% in the wrong. Well I'm sorry, I'm not gonna take that route of admitting to lies and rumors that you made up for clout.

Hey everybody I found someone new to harass she did some things that I do not like in her past so everybody gather round cause we're about to attack but not based on facts. Oh no you're loaded Lethal Weapon It's your fingers on the keys. You don't need any armor when you can hide behind a screen so shoot me down quick, with a click and bam - the reputation is deceased.

I also wanted to take a minute to talk about that girl, Miranda Sings, you know the one. She's PG-13 it says that on my website and it's always been that way and that's why you won't find my videos on the YouTube kids app anyway. um I didn't realize it was my responsibility to decide what was appropriate for every kid to see. I've always relied on parents to decide if they're comfortable, with their families watching my YouTube videos or coming to my live shows.

Now. Have I made some jokes in poor taste? yes. Have I made lots of dumb mistakes? yes.

am I sad that there are some fans who feel betrayed? yes.

Was my intention to manipulate? No.

It doesn't really matter what my intention was because it seems as though everyone's already decided on that.

Let me tell you it's not very fun to have millions of people all over the world call you the most vile ,horrendous, disgusting, life-ruining words that a person can be called, in my opinion.

Um it doesn't matter that these things aren't true, everyone just believes that you are the type of person who manipulates and abuses children.

oh I just wanted to say that um the thing I've ever groomed is my two Persian cats. I'm not a groomer I'm just a loser who didn't understand I shouldn't respond to fans and I'm not a predator, even though a lot of you think so, because five years ago I made a fart joke.

So even though I know this video won't change anyone's mind about me I still felt it was important to come on here and defend myself a little and take accountability. And I also wanted to say that to anyone out there who has ever supported me, in any capacity, I really really appreciate you. thank you.

For what it's worth, I never had any bad intentions but I do feel like shit.

The toxic gossip train, you're chugging down the track of misinformation. Toxic gossip train... You've got a one way ticket to manipulation station. Toxic gossip train... you tied me to the tracks and harassed me for my past. Rumors look like facts when you don't mind the gaps. I won't survive and crash, but hey...I hope you had some fun.

dramatically comes close to the camera to turn it off and then continues with:

Actually, you know, I feel like maybe I should let you guys know something. um it seems like, maybe you're confused about something. I don't know.

Let me try to help, um.

Sometimes people make a mistake and it does and make them a horrible person. whoaaaa. sometimes people can make a mistake and they're still a good person, crazy I know. sometimes people can make a mistake and you don't have to take a mistake and twist it up and grind it and add some lies to it and pulverize it and stab it with knives and ruin a life and. oh no sometimes people can make a mistake, it doesn't mean you gotta send them hate. oh no sometimes people can make a mistake and you can kindly let them know and help them to grow.

sometimes people make mistakes simply because they made a mistake and that mistake doesn't make them a terrible human, it just makes them a human.

But what do I know? Fuck me, right?

#this is my apology harlen is making me do #in character #rp acc #cirque de la folie

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theataerravoltartist · 1 year ago

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Within an instant he found himself in a dark room. As Knuckles eyes adjusted to the lack of light, he remembered his father speaking of an extremely secretive place in the heart of Angel Island. Surely this had to be it. To his left was a hallway. From what he could tell this was the only path forward. Someone needed to know what he recently discovered.

Down the poorly lit hall someone stood stoically. Knuckles took a long pause. A pair of beady red eyes continued to stare unblinkingly at him; quite unapologetically at that. The other finally took a step into the light. He casually swirled a piping hot beverage as if this were a normal Tuesday for him. Knuckles wanted to shout, to assert some form of dominance, but the air had quickly been sucked from his lungs. This terrifying blend of a humble elder and a formidable foe made him hesitate to even speak. The man finally sighed,"I am sorry the circumstances of our first meeting is so... grim. I had planned for something with more grandeur, but fate has a way of doing its thing."

He stuffed his left hand into a pocket on his sweater,"since you unfortunately know the truth, I will give you two options for moving forward."

"What makes you think I would ever agree to something on your terms?" Knuckles crossed his arms.

"Oh, dear child," he sardonically laughed,"because you have no choice. See," he glanced down at his drink in a contemplative manner,"I orchestrated your arrival. I made sure you would be here at this time while no one would be available to save you."

Knuckles' chest tightened. His instincts were sounding off every alarm in his mind. He kept his arms crossed in a vain hope that he appeared confident in his skills.

"Your first, and most preferable option, is that we take this somewhere else and converse as not adversaries, but two men of equal footing. Your second option," he paused, deliberately eyeing Knuckles fists,"which would occur if you start throwing punches, is that your father's life would be at quite the risk."

Knuckles cocked his head, releasing his arms from their original position,"He... he's alive?!"

"Well, that is up to you," a wry grin grew across his face.

Knuckles stared at him. Why trust this impostor? This sociopath? But then again, why would he use an empty threat?

"Fine," Knuckles shook his head slightly, disappointed that he would even entertain this monster.

"Good," Mortori warmly smiled,"follow me. We have so much to discuss."

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Notes:

Knuckles is 14, about to be 15 in this timeline.

This is a overhaul of KTE #20.

Mortori's Tobor disguise is my own redesign from years ago with some minor updates -

Context:

Knuckles has discovered Tobor and took him to E.S.T. for safekeeping since he cannot find where his mother lives. He traveled through the snowstorm to the edge of the island in hopes of finding help.

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I've had this idea bounding around in my head of how things could(should) have gone down for quite some time. The impostor sub-plot is such a great idea, especially with Mortori Rex being an absolute gaslighting menace.

Mock covers are a fun exercise. 10/10; will do again!

#archie sonic #sonic the hedgehog #sonic the hedghog fanart #knuckles the echidna #knuckles fanart #sonic fanart #sonic comics #digital art #art #illustration #digital fanart #comicart #comic covers

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sh4tt3rg1rl · 7 months ago

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Hey

It's been a while since you saw my face

I haven't been doing so great

So I took a little break

A lot of people are saying some things about me that aren't quite true

Doesn't matter if it's true, though

Just as long as it's entertaining to you, right?

You guys having fun?

All aboard the toxic gossip train

Chugging down the tracks of misinformation

The toxic gossip train

You got a one-way ticket to manipulation station

Toxic gossip train

Tie me to the tracks and harass me for my past

Those rumors look like facts if you don't mind the gaps

I won't survive in the crash, but hey

At least you're havin' fun

Uh, hi, everyone

I've been wanting to come online and talk to you about a few things

Um, even though my team has strongly advised me to not say what I want to say

I recently realized that they never said that I couldn't sing what I wanna say, so

Here I am, and, um, today I only wanna talk about the facts

So, I hope that you'll be willing to listen

Here we go

Many years ago, I used to message my fans

Uh, but not in a creepy way like a lot of you are trying to suggest

It was more of a loser kind of way

Where I was just trying to be besties with everybody

It was kinda like, uh, when you go to like a family gathering, you know?

And there's a weird aunt there who keeps coming up to you and going like "Hey, girl, what's the tea!"

And you're like "Ehhh"

Um, that was me, but in group chats with my fans, it was weird

I've been sharing my life online for over 15 years

I've poured my heart out to you and because of that I feel

Like I'm talking to my friends, but, in the beginning of my career

I didn't really understand that maybe there should be some boundaries there

There were times in the DMs when I would overshare

Details of my life, which was really weird of me

I haven't done that for years, you see

Because I changed my behavior, and I took accountability

But that's not very interesting, is it?

So let's go on the toxic gossip train

The locomotive's fueled with hateful accusations

The toxic gossip train

Steamroll over someone's reputation

Toxic gossip train

Hop on board, but close your eyes, otherwise you'll realize

That the train is made of lies and that person you despise

Maybe didn't deserve to die

But hey, at least you're havin' fun

In all seriousness, I do think it's really important to hold people accountable for their mistakes

Um, y'know, we should hope that everyone can learn from their mistakes

And grow, and change their behavior, and be a better person

This is something that I've always tried to do when I make mistakes

And is something that I will continue to try t- what?

Oh, you don't care? Oh, okay

I thought you wanted me to take accountability

But that's not the point of your mob mentality, is it? No

Your goal is to ruin the life of the person you despise

While you dramatize your lies and monetize their demise

Yeah, um, I feel like I can already hear the comments on this video

"She's gaslighting, manipulating!"

"Ugh, she's a narcissist and a rat!"

"I would never make a mistake like that."

Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize

That all of you are perfect, so please, criticize me

Bring out the daggers made from your perfect past

And stab me repeatedly in my bony little back

I'm sure you're disappointed in my shitty little song

I know that you wanted me to say that I was 100% in the wrong

Well, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna take that route

Of admitting to lies and rumors that you made up for clout

"Hey everybody, I found someone new to harass

She did some things that I do not like, in her past

So everybody, gather 'round, 'cause we're about to attack"

But not based on facts, oh no

Your loaded lethal weapon is your fingers on the keys

You don't need any armor when you can hide behind a screen

So, shoot me down, quick, with a click, and bam

My reputation's deceased

Uh, I also wanted to take a minute to talk about that girl, Miranda Sings

You know the one, yeah her

Uh, she's PG-13, it says that on my website

And it's always been that way

And that's why you won't find my videos on the YouTube Kids app

Anyway, um, I didn't realize it was my responsibility

To decide what was appropriate for every kid to see

I've always relied on parents to decide if they're comfortable

With their families watching my YouTube videos or coming to my live shows

Now, have I made some jokes in poor taste? Yes

Have I made lots of dumb mistakes? Yes

Am I sad that there's some fans that feel betrayed? Yes

But was my intention to manipulate? No

It doesn't really matter what my intention was

'Cause it seems as though everyone's already decided on that

Let me tell you, it's not very fun to have millions of people all over the world

Call you the most vile, horrendous, disgusting, life-ruining words

That a person can be called, in my opinion

Um, it doesn't matter that these things aren't true

Uh, everyone just believes that you are the type of person who manipulates and abuses children

So, I just wanted to say that, um

The only thing that I've ever groomed is my two Persian cats

I'm not a groomer, I'm just a loser

Who didn't understand I shouldn't respond to fans

And I'm not a predator even though a lot of you think so

Because 5 years ago, I made a fart joke

So, even though I know this video won't change anyone's mind about me

I still felt it was important to come on here and defend myself a little

And take accountability

And I also wanted to say that

To anyone out there who has ever supported me in any capacity

I really, really appreciate you, thank you

For what it's worth, I never had any bad intentions

But I do feel like shit

The toxic gossip train

Chugging down the tracks of misinformation

Toxic gossip train

You got a one way ticket to manipulation station

Toxic gossip train

You tied me to the tracks and harassed me for my past

Rumors look like facts when you don't mind the gaps

I won't survive in the crash, but hey

Hope you had some fun

Actually, y'know, I feel like maybe I should let you guys know something, um

Seems like, maybe you're confused about something? I don't know

Let me try to help, um

Sometimes people make a mistake and it doesn't make them a horrible person, whoa

Sometimes people can make a mistake and they're still a good person

Crazy, I know

Sometimes people can make a mistake and you don't have to take that mistake, oh no

And twist it up, and grind it, and add some lies to it, and pulverize it

And stab it with knives, and ruin a life, and, oh no

Sometimes people can make a mistake, it doesn't mean you gotta send them hate, oh no

Sometimes people can make a mistake and you can kindly let them know, and help them to grow

Sometimes people make mistakes, simply because they made a mistake?

And that mistake doesn't make them a terrible human

It just makes them a human

But what do I know?

Fuck me, right?

WHY DID YOU SEND ME THSI LKFOSIDJFJ

#xeyasks

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queeniespeaks · 1 year ago

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I use to BELIEVE endings were bad until you i guess having your HEART and MIND be toyed with for the 100th time eventually you start to become NUMB and realize i had SUCCUMB to the many years of EMOTIONAL abuse you may have not been MY FIRST heart break and probably wont be my LAST but somewhere in the middle played a SIGNIFICANT role in my LIFE the ONLY MAN i never gave my BODY to but gave up POWER to. To do WHATEVER HOWEVER and WHENEVER all because i was CONVINCED that you were the ONE my SOULMATE , But its starting to FEEL like SOUL TIES and we never INTERTWINED but i CAME so much WITH YOU i mean to YOU. Your VOICE through THE PHONE got DEEPER and got me WETTER than any MAN could have ,See you aint never TOUCHED ME but you TOUCHED ME , had me BELIEVING in things i NEVER thought EXISTED I SOFTENED up to you i felt SAFE WITH YOU, created the SPACE for me to be COMFORTABLE to be VULNERABLE to tell you my SECRETS and everything BELOW I TRUSTED YOU but YOU LIED MANIPULATED GASLIGHTED me every hurtful DEGRADING thing you said to me IMPRINTED on me like your name on the SHRINE i kept opened just for you after all these YEARS and still NEVER good ENOUGH, trying to PROVE that I’m WORTH INVESTING But TRUTHFULLY probably the BEST THING you NEVER had never really gave us real chance SABOTAGED us every chance you got. Why continue to COME BACK in MY LIFE to DESTROY me OVER and OVER again. DO you get off FROM hurting ME , Im SORRY for what you been through with WOMAN but I’m NOT a PUNCHING BAG for every BLACK WOMAN who hurt you Im not SO please STOP hurting ME, the strong BLACK WOMAN title is heavy ENOUGH. When i start to MISS you i REMIND MYSELF that i only MISS the VERSION of YOU i MADE UP in my HEAD i had to ACCEPT that you HATE ME and that the MAN i l LOVED at 15 is GONE

Some fairy tale

#spilled poetry #spilled thoughts #art journal #poetscommunity #poets on tumblr #positive mental attitude #self improvement

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limmastyles · 2 years ago

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Releasing an article accusing the main actress for the non-nominations of your film is very low and sad. Especially when the main actress was the only positive part of the film that all critics agreed that Pugh's performance made the film less of a bore thanks to her excellent acting. So tbh, accusing her for the failure when crirics were unanimous about the film lacking big time is very very very low of her and I feel like that everytime she keeps showing her true colours! Mind you 2 months ago she was praising Pugh by gaslighting the gp "for daring to say that the film was bigger than the sex scenes", scenes OW sholved down our throats for 2 yrs!

She’s upset because her 15 minutes are over. She had such a good start with booksmart even though she stole the project it was a good start. Now she’s a laughing stock. People are not nice towards her anymore. People talk about her but they’re making fun of her when they’re talking about her. We all know that she was supposed to play Alice in the beginning and then I truly believe the Warner Bros. executives saw Florence and thought yeah we’re going to cast her to be Alice instead. There is no way that Olivia would have given up that role voluntarily. I think she always harboured some resentment towards Florence because of the fact that she got the role. Then when Warner Bros. refused to give her more money for the movie she needed to find a way to get hairy to invest in a movie and then trapped him into doing a publicity stunt. She enjoyed the attention that she was getting because of the fact that she was in a “relationship“ with hairy and instead of being smart and using it to promote their movie wisely she did it to promote herself. Any publicity for her was good publicity and that’s where she made the mistake. She always had resentment towards Florence because of the fact that she was a younger, prettier, more talented person to come into the role and do what Olivia couldn’t do. Then was upset and created a toxic work environment and Florence wasn’t Promoting the film. In every single scenario against Florence she always lost. Olivia spent months promoting the sex scenes and promoting female pleasure in this movie and Florence came out and talked about how uncomfortable it made her and it pissed Olivia off because people were taking her side of the situation, then Olivia got served at cinema con and was humiliated, Then the whole Internet discovered how Florence wasn’t promoting this movie and was then expose for not being such a good person, then the Shia LaBeouf situation happened, then Florence basically ruining Venice film festival for Olivia and the movie, then refusing to do press, then the rest of the cast also refusing to do any press to promote this film, then being humiliated in the press when the nanny leaked the story, then Harry breaking up with her and being seen as unhappy and upset while everyone else is flourishing Not to mention people coming around to realize that she’s not a really good person but also the fact that all of her legions of fans have a banded her but to add to that the fact that she has been mercilessly bullied for the past two years which she deserved. Like we have been saying from the beginning Olivia is now back where she was before. A C list actor who never made it and had to turn to directing to revitalize her career People only paid attention to because of her ex fiancé. She now has to pay Paparazzi to continue to take pictures of her even though the one thing that made her interesting is no longer in her life. She constantly is getting pictured out with the same headline about how great Harry is doing and how miserable she is. And Harry is going on being just fine just finished a very successful South American leg of his tour and about to embark on another tour next year, Florence is doing perfectly fine with one movie that just came out that was amazing and another one on the way not to mention she’s about to lead a new marvel films and Dune as well. She’s upset because what we always said what was going to happen actually happened. The film sucked. The writing was terrible, the directing was terrible and the only redeeming quality of this film was Florence‘s performance and she’s upset that the thing that saved the movie was Florence. That Warner Bros. was right to want her to be Alice instead of Olivia. So she needs to blame Florence because in her mind it’s her fault. The reason don’t worry darling flopped was because of Olivia but she feels like she used to point the finger at the person who she’s always harbour resentment towards. The only redeemable part of the movie was Florence and Olivia’s upset

#fauxlivia #holivia stunt

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14 Things Said During The 'Vanderpump Rules" Finale That Will Stay With Me For The Rest Of My Days, Including "You're Worth Nothing" Ariana looking Sandoval dead in the eye and whispering, "You're worth nothing. And I want you to feel that, deep in your soul. I want you to hear that. I regret ever loving you."

14 Things Said During The 'Vanderpump Rules" Finale That Will Stay With Me For The Rest Of My Days, Including "You're Worth Nothing"

BuzzFeed Staff

Have any of you recovered yet from the other night's Vanderpump Rules finale???? I woke up yesterday (and maybe today) just wanting to hug Ariana. You too?

Basically, the whole world has been counting down until this week's episode — Season 10, Episode 15, titled "#Scandoval" — to see what exactly happened in the Vanderpump Rules bubble when news broke that Tom Sandoval and Raquel Leviss were having a seventh-month-long affair.

If you're not up to date on what happened Wednesday night, here's a very helpful — and detailed — recap.

A lot went down, so I decided to do a fun little roundup of quotes from the finale that will live rent-free in my head FOREVER. Here are some of them.

1. In the opening scenes where Ariana was on her couch taking in the Scandoval news, she said to her friend about Tom, "He gives me the ick."

Producers knew what they were doing here because as Ariana said this line, cameras panned to Tom looking at himself in the mirror, truly giving EVERYONE the ick.

2. The now-famous scene where Tom asked Ariana if she wants anything and she casually turns to him and says, "For you to die."

3. During the emotional conversation between Ariana and Tom when she bravely told him off and she said, "'Selfish' is the nicest word you could use" when Tom said his and Raquel's actions were selfish.

4. During this same conversation when Tom said to Ariana, "You put pressure on me to stay in the relationship." I wanted to throw my TV right out the window when I heard this gaslighting.

5. TBH, Ariana was full of great one-liners during this intense conversation with Tom, so another favorite of mine is when she asked him, "Any last words before we never speak again?" MIC DROPPED.

6. Ariana looking Sandoval dead in the eye and whispering, "You're worth nothing. And I want you to feel that, deep in your soul. I want you to hear that. I regret ever loving you." YES, QUEEN. 👑

7. Fast-forward to when Tom Sandoval went over to Tom Schwartz's apartment and the two were digesting the affair. The conversation that took place between these two was on another level. Like, when Sandoval said to Schwartz, "I wanted to tell [Ariana] and every time I wanted to tell her, I got this vibe that she just did not want to fucking know." WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?

8. I can't stop thinking about when Schwartz said to Katie in the midst of a serious convo, "There's man-eating crocodiles in Florida right now." Is he OKAY?!

9. When James was on the phone with Raquel calling her out on her shit, I lost it when he said to her, "All the people you were building friendships with, you literally trashed it for Sandoval's little cocky cock.

10. James continued... "His stinky 40-year-old cock, like seriously Raquel?" JAMES KENNEDY FOR PRESIDENT. 👏

11. Okay, how about that very cringe, awkward scene when Sandoval went over to Raquel's apartment for them to hold each other and cry? 🙄 When talking about his family liking Raquel, he said "they love you" and Raquel responded by saying "I love you too."

12. It really got even worse when Sandoval replied, "I said 'They love you' but I love you too.” I almost FAINTED.

13. When Tom said in his confessional, "When I kissed Raquel, I felt hope." To me, this is a ridiculous cop out and him trying to justify his horrible actions.

14. When former VPR cast member Kristen Doute went over to Ariana's house to counsel her, Ariana was explaining what Tom's camp came out and said to the public. "They said [my and Tom's] relationship was one of companionship and convenience and not love and romance." Talk about a pathetic excuse.

There is a lot to digest here! Tell me all your VPR finale thoughts in the comments below.

Watch the finale episode and more Vanderpump Rules on Peacock!

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I posted 717 times in 2022

That's 147 more posts than 2021!

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A Quick Statement on Longing...

I got a lovely compliment about Longing on another Paris/Rory story, especially dealing with Louise's relationship with Paris in the past, and I'm definitely thankful for that...and this is a statement that an update will come out soon. I've been dealing with so much during the pandemic and just haven't felt like updating it, even though I have a lot of the latest chapter done, and there's my Lorelai/Paris stories where I do want to write those too.

I do want to touch on something though, as outside the old-style author's notes written back in the FF.net/Yahoo Groups days which have continued on in my template style, when I transferred the story to AO3, I failed to ever account for trigger or content warnings.

I could have never imagined this story would end up in an age where readers would want a heads-up on content, as they're probably dealing with the same things Paris, Louise, and Rory are dealing with through the story; homophobic parents, mental traumas, visible and scarring child abuse, and the gaslighting Dean attempts on not only Rory, but his previous girlfriend, Paris's cousin Beth, along with just the general stresses of realizing who they are and dealing with their peers and authority figures and how they would react to them coming out as gay.

Thus, I sincerely and deeply apologize if my writing, unwarned, caused anyone unwanted anguish and hurt if they clicked on the story and found themselves thrown into, say, the chapter where Paris realizes her mom knows she's with Rory and is bruised and broken from the abuse thrown her way, is recounting the worst abuse with Rory and her therapist, along with Louise being dealt with by Sharon.

I have now added on the appropriate trigger warnings to the story on AO3, and take full responsibility for not doing so before.

My intention with my stories is to write about how I feel about these characters, show how they are outside the bounds of the early 2000s and its network, and hopefully have a reader come out of it thankful to see these characters in a different way than originally presented. The last thing I ever want to do is hurt someone in any way, and if you ever were, know that I would never intend to do so.

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For fic research purposes...

What safe words would Lorelai and Paris use as partners, together?

You know...science. 👩🏻‍🔬

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The Gilmore Facebook page is like 'leave the door open for Christopher' and like...do they not know only six people in the world like him, and two of them are ASP and the J6-loving (Canadian) weirdo who plays him?

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Tumblr please stop sending me TERFs and Depp Defenders 'in your orbit' challenge. 🤬

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My #1 post of 2022

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Mark Wauck Oct 15, 2024

This tweet is a sure sign that the Dems are concerned that they’re in trouble with Muslim voters. The Dem brand is now identified with genocide of Muslims, or at least of Arabs. The fact that this story is being pumped up by the MSM is a sign that the Dems are serious about gaslighting Muslim voters:

Suppressed News. @SuppressedNws

BREAKING: U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin informed Israel that if humanitarian aid does not enter Gaza within 30 days, the U.S. administration will be forced to activate the “National Security Memorandum” and prevent the transfer of weapons to Israel under the aid law. Source: Itamar Eichner - Yedioth Ahronoth

Image 9:22 AM · Oct 15, 2024

30 days is obvious BS—it puts any decision past the election. Why not 30 minutes? Because Zionist campaign contributions. Interestingly, however, this does amount to an open admission by the US that they’ve not only been enabling the military side of the genocide in Gaza, but that the US has been fully aware of—and has also enabled—the starvation and medical aspects of the genocide.

Where might the Muslim vote matter? There are a few swingish type states that rank among the states with the highest percentage of Muslim voters:

Illinois, New York, and New Jersey are also the states with the highest percentage of Muslim residents. Maryland, Michigan, Virginia, and Minnesota are the other states with a Muslim population of at least two percent.

Obviously, Michigan (2.4%) should have been included in that list. We’re starting to see politicians being forced to thread the needle of possible conflicts between fund raising and voter sentiment.

The Financial Times has come out with a report that Israel is running short of anti-missile missiles:

Megatron @Megatron_ron

NEW:

Israel is running out of air defense missiles - senior US defence official

Dana Stroul [quoted by FT], a former senior U.S. defense official, warned that stockpiles of interceptor missiles aren't limitless and that Israel faces a race against time to restock its supplies before they run out.

"Israel's munitions issue is serious.

If Iran responds to an Israeli attack, and Hezbollah joins in too, Israel's air defenses will be stretched.

The U.S. can't continue supplying Ukraine and Israel at the same pace.

We are reaching a tipping point."

This means that Hezbollah's cheap rockets and drones are doing their job.

They are going to empty the air defense systems as much as possible before the main strike, which are the most important military targets.

@MarioNawfal

It’s a simple supply and demand problem. Israeli demand far outstrips US ability to supply interceptor missiles—much less to manufacture interceptor missiles. US supplies are running low—so low that it will take years to get remotely close to replenishing inventory to anything like acceptable levels. And, of course, that leaves out the question of effectiveness.

Oh, by the way, the FT is also reporting that the Iranians hit the Israeli Nevatim air base with THIRTY SIX missiles. Alexander Mercouris, citing FT, states that Israel and the US were “shocked” by the power of the Iranian demonstration/warning strike. In a missile war of attrition, Iran is almost certainly the winner.

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ᕼey Ɩt’s been a while since you saw my face Ɩ haven’t been doing so great Տo Ɩ took a little break Տo a lot of people are saying some things about me that aren’t ǫuite true Ɗoesn’t matter if it’s true, though ᒍust as long as it’s entertaining to you, right? Ƴou guys having fun?

Ꭺll aboard the toxic gossip train Ꮯhugging down the tracks of misinformation Ƭhe toxic gossip train Ƴou got a one-way ticket to manipulation station Ƭoxic gossip train Ƭie me to the tracks and harass me for my past Ƭhose rumors look like facts if you don’t mind the gaps Ɩ won’t survive in the crash, but hey Ꭺt least you’re havin’ fun

ᑌh, hi, everyone ��’ve been wanting to come online and talk to you about a few things ᑌm, even though my team has strongly advised me to not say what Ɩ want to say Ɩ recently realized that they never said that Ɩ couldn’t sing what Ɩ wanna say, so ᕼere Ɩ am, and, um, today Ɩ only wanna talk about the facts Տo, Ɩ hope that you’ll be willing to listen ᕼere we go

Ꮇany years ago, Ɩ used to message my fans ᑌh, but not in a creepy way like a lot of you are trying to suggest Ɩt was more of a loser kind of way Ꮃhere Ɩ was just trying to be besties with everybody Ɩt was kinda like, uh, when you go to like a family gathering, you know? Ꭺnd there’s a weird aunt there who keeps coming up to you and going like, “ᕼey, girl, what’s the tea?” Ꭺnd you’re like, “Ꭼh” ᑌm, that was me, but in group chats with my fans, it was weird

Ɩ’ve been sharing my life online for over 15 years Ɩ’ve poured my heart out to you, and because of that Ɩ feel Ꮮike Ɩ’m talking to my friends, but, in the beginning of my career Ɩ didn’t really understand that maybe there should be some boundaries there Ƭhere were times in the ƊᎷs when Ɩ would overshare Ɗetails of my life, which was really weird of me Ɩ haven’t done that for years, you see Ɓecause Ɩ changed my behavior, and Ɩ took accountability

Ɓut that’s not very interesting, is it?

Տo let’s go on the toxic gossip train Ƭhe locomotive’s fueled with hateful accusations Ƭhe toxic gossip train Տteamroll over someone’s reputation Ƭoxic gossip train ᕼop on board, but close your eyes, otherwise you’ll realize Ƭhat the train is made of lies and that person you despise Ꮇaybe didn’t deserve to die Ɓut hey, at least you’re havin’ fun

Ɩn all seriousness, Ɩ do think it’s really important to hold people accountable for their mistakes ᑌm, you know, we should hope that everyone can learn from their mistakes Ꭺnd grow and change their behavior and be a better person Ƭhis is something that Ɩ’ve always tried to do when Ɩ make mistakes Ꭺnd it’s something that Ɩ will continue to try to do—what? Ơh, you don’t care? Ơh, okay

Ɩ thought you wanted me to take accountability Ɓut that’s not the point of your mob mentality, is it? Ɲo Ƴour goal is to ruin the life of the person you despise Ꮃhile you dramatize your lies and monetize their demise

Ƴeah, um, Ɩ feel like Ɩ can already hear the comments on this video “Տhe’s gaslighting, manipulating!” “ᑌgh, she’s a narcissist and a rat” “Ɩ would never make a mistake like that”

Ơh, Ɩ’m sorry, Ɩ didn’t realize Ƭhat all of you are perfect, so please, criticize me Ɓring out the daggers made from your perfect past Ꭺnd stab me repeatedly in my bony, little back Ɩ’m sure you’re disappointed in my shitty little song Ɩ know that you wanted me to say that Ɩ was 100% in the wrong Ꮃell, Ɩ’m sorry, Ɩ’m not gonna take that route Ơf admitting to lies and rumors that you made up for clout

“ᕼey, everybody, Ɩ found someone new to harass Տhe did some things that Ɩ do not like in her past Տo everybody, gather round, ‘cause we’re about to attack” Ɓut not based on facts, oh, no Ƴour loaded lethal weapon is your fingers on the keys Ƴou don’t need any armor when you can hide behind a screen Տo shoot me down ǫuick with a click, and bam Ꮇy reputation’s deceased

ᑌh, Ɩ also wanted to take a minute to talk about that girl, Ꮇiranda Տings Ƴou know the one, yeah, her? ᑌh, she’s ᏢƓ-13, it says that on my website

Ꭺnd it’s always been that way Ꭺnd that’s why you won’t find my videos on the ƳouƬube Ꮶids app Ꭺnyway, um, Ɩ didn’t realize it was my responsibility Ƭo decide what was appropriate for every kid to see Ɩ’ve always relied on parents to decide if they’re comfortable Ꮃith their families watching my ƳouƬube videos or coming to my live shows Ɲow, have Ɩ made some jokes in poor taste? Ƴes ᕼave Ɩ made lots of dumb mistakes? Ƴes Ꭺm Ɩ sad that there’s some fans that feel betrayed? Ƴes Ɓut was my intention to manipulate? Ɲo

Ɩt doesn’t really matter what my intention was ‘Ꮯause it seems as though everyone’s already decided on that Ꮮet me tell you, it’s not very fun to have millions of people all over the world Ꮯall you the most vile, horrendous, disgusting, life-ruining words Ƭhat a person can be called, in my opinion ᑌm, it doesn’t matter that these things aren’t true ᑌh, everyone just believes that you are the type of person who manipulates and abuses children Տo, Ɩ just wanted to say that, um Ƭhe only thing that Ɩ’ve ever groomed is my two Ꮲersian cats Ɩ’m not a groomer, Ɩ’m just a loser

Ꮃho didn’t understand Ɩ shouldn’t respond to fans Ꭺnd Ɩ’m not a predator even though a lot of you think so Ɓecause 5 years ago, Ɩ made a fart joke Տo, even though Ɩ know this video won’t change anyone’s mind about me Ɩ still felt it was important to come on here and defend myself a little Ꭺnd take accountability Ꭺnd Ɩ also wanted to say that Ƭo anyone out there who has ever supported me in any capacity

Ɩ really, really appreciate you, thank you ᖴor what it’s worth, Ɩ never had any bad intentions Ɓut Ɩ do feel like shit

Ƭhe toxic gossip train Ƴou’re chugging down the tracks of misinformation Ƭoxic gossip train Ƴou got a one-way ticket to manipulation station Ƭoxic gossip train Ƴou tied me to the tracks and harassed me for my past ᖇumors look like facts when you don’t mind the gaps Ɩ won’t survive in the crash, but hey Ɩ hope you had some fun

Ꭺctually, you know, Ɩ feel like maybe Ɩ should let you guys know something, um Տeems like maybe you’re confused about something? Ɩ don’t know Ꮮet me try to help, um

Տometimes people make a mistake and it doesn’t make them a horrible person, whoa Տometimes people can make a mistake and they’re still a good person Ꮯrazy, Ɩ know Տometimes people can make a mistake and you don’t have to take that mistake, oh, no Ꭺnd twist it up and grind it and add some lies to it and pulverize it Ꭺnd stab it with knives and ruin a life, and, oh, no Տometimes people can make a mistake, it doesn’t mean you gotta send them hate, oh, no Տometimes people can make a mistake and you can kindly let them know and help them to grow Տometimes people make mistakes simply because they made a mistake Ꭺnd that mistake doesn’t make them a terrible human Ɩt just makes them a human

Ɓut what do Ɩ know? ᖴuck me, right?

Wow, hello!

So, I was actually feeling pretty motivated to write this post yesterday. But things have gotten exponentially worse, and I admit the pressure is getting to me. There seem to be a ton of expectations surrounding what I should be saying here, in order to… I guess, absolve myself? As if there’s a checklist people want me to go through to perform the “perfect” creator apology. But, I don’t see the point. I care a lot about this community and I think you deserve something a lot more sincere than some hollow chat-gpt apology. I understand that that’s foolish, on my part. Things are done that way so often because they work. But what you’ll find throughout this post, is that I’m kind of an idiot about some things. I’m stubborn and hard-headed and a little bit pretentious. And so, what I’m planning to do here is to simply tell you the truth about what happened. No cherry picking. All my mistakes, but also the context that goes with them. And at the end, my formal apology. This is a long and winding tale with a lot of characters. I’m going to be sharing some usernames as we go, in the interest of clarity and transparency. You’ll understand why with the context. But please do not seek these people out. Don’t pick fights with them. It will only make everything worse, for all involved.

Cool? Cool. But first I need to address the elephant in the room. This will probably seem like irrelevant drama at first, but this is the nuance and background that I wasn’t adequately able to articulate the night before last. In more ways than one, this is a story told in twos. The first set of twos is you, the readers. Who you are, and what you’re hoping to find out in this post.

1. The overwhelming majority of you, are earnestly wanting to understand what has happened in the Nevermore Discord. You are concerned that I am not who you hoped I was. You are disappointed, and I understand why. To you, I am so sorry. I want to say that things are not as bad as they seem, but that is not for me to decide. You will need to draw your own conclusions from the words I write. And I understand, whatever you choose to do next.

2. And there is a small, but incredibly vocal minority of people who are absolutely living for this. They are spreading complete fabrications with no screenshots to speak of. Horrible, horrible accusations. People who are more excited about watching a dumpsterfire than they are about the series that brought them here in the first place. I’m not going to attempt to cater to those people in this post. Because nothing will ever be good enough. Everything that can be taken in bad faith will be taken in bad faith. It would be pointless. But you’ll see them in the comments and reblogs. This is a known group to not only myself, but many others. I will share some of their names in a later section so you know who to watch for. They will make a lot of noise around this post because they’ve been trying to make something like this happen for actual years. And now that I had a genuinely concerning response that good people reasonably want me to explain, they’re lunging at the chance to throw absolutely anything at the wall. It’s parasocial levels of hatred. This is some deep and horrible lore.

The next set of twos is how two things can be true at the same time. And that is exactly what is going on here, in this situation. Let me be really clear, because I don’t want either truth to be lost in my explanation as they are intrinsically linked to one another.

1. I did a downright terrible job explaining myself in the Discord when people started asking about crimson. I can give you all kinds of contributing factors for this, and I might later. But none of them really matter. It was incredibly careless of me to use “egging them on” and “cried wolf” to describe what I understood. At the time I was really laser-focused on expressing what happened as simply and quickly as possible because the channel replies were paused and I felt like everyone was just waiting for me to be finished with my message. But after stepping back, I immediately understood how badly I messed up, because of course these idioms are routinely weaponized against survivors of SA and CSA. That is not how I intended to use them. It was an unfortunate case of one thing looking and sounding like another thing. Incredibly ham-fisted and irresponsible on my part. To the survivors who read my words and felt that it echoed their past experiences, I’m heartbroken that I did that to you. That lapse of judgement was a betrayal to both you and me. I don’t know where my head went, and I’m just blown away by my own lack of awareness in that message. So for that I am and will continue to be sorry.

2. The second thing that can be true is that, while you are all absolutely owed an explanation and an apology, there are also some people amongst you who are using this fuck-up on my part as a springboard to take me down. These people have been trying to get a call out post to pop off about me for at least a year, and they have been very quick to jump into the reblogs and comments about this very serious topic with complete lies and slander. Just, anything that might stick to the wall. We’ll address this later on as well. But please understand that me discussing the harassment I’ve faced from these groups is not at the expense of me also owning up to my faults and taking the proper accountability.

And the last set of twos is one I’ve alluded to in the first sets, concerning a pair of toxic side-servers that ran adjacent to the main Nevermore Discord. Completely unofficial cliques. And invisible to myself and Flynn and our mod team. We were eventually made aware that both of them were breaking laws and Discord ToS in ways that leaked into our server and affected our members negatively. As such, both groups were mass-banned. And the cliques are the ones running a majority of the discourse you’ve been seeing here, because while they are formally banned from the discord, we have absolutely no say in their participation on Tumblr. Now, keep in mind. Both of these groups were uncovered after crimson was banned the first time. That’s important later.

Clique #1

My understanding of the first group is that it started as a gaming server for people who met one another through the Nevermore Discord. I don’t know when or why it started being used to talk shit about other readers, but I do know that it got really vicious. And it was sort of an open secret for long before I knew anything about it. I found out after that there were a lot of people passively in this server, just observing. It was that much of a spectacle.

Now, this clique had been pretty rude. Like they’d try to start fights with me in the discord fairly often, both in the Patreon and free spaces. But it wasn’t grounds for dismissal until we found out about the baiting and the alts. These people had a lot of grievances, but one really united them: they were extremely upset about anyone who would ship Prospero.

Many of you know, that Prospero is an aromantic character, canonically. And you may notice that canonically, he has no apparent love interest. But this group wanted to make sure other readers were not thinking about Prospero in relationships, or creating ship content of him for any reason on the grounds that it would be considered a “proship.” I told them (and I stand on this) that it’s not up to them to police the thoughts of other readers, and that aromantic people have widely varying lifestyles and experiences and do not need to be infantilized that way.

This turned out to be a bad move on my part, because it brought with it an onslaught of alt accounts coming in and "innocently" kicking up what I now refer to as the “prosp-aro” debate every time they had the chance. But because of this and what a common occurrence it was, we started being able to pick out the alts. And we realized that this group of people had been using the same alt accounts with different names to antagonize certain readers they’d decided they hated, and it had gone on for a long time.

I did a lot of investigative work in dms trying to figure out who all was responsible for the harassment, and settled on a list that was vetted by three different people who knew about the clique. And all three of these people insisted that, while Laci was in the group and in a lot of the screencaps saying pretty dubious things, that she was good people. So I believe them, and let Laci stay. This group was banned on April 3, 2024, and contained the following users:

- lilnatx (nat)

- suitino (sushi)

- jj_the_jet_plane (layden)

- rivsticks (jasper)

- atheimee (athena)

- jinxs.com (lanx/jinx)

- smartestginger (nico)

- thereallandofbugs (bugs)

- rosienemui (rosie)

These were the names they were known by on the Discord. I don’t have the Tumblr accounts tied to these identities. But some might be the same. I know a lot of them are here. It should be noted that jinx was later unbanned due to pressure from Laci that they had been banned in error, after the fact. We allowed them back in after a few days as a favor to Laci since the situation seemed like it was very stressful for her. This would prove to be yet another a mistake since, as you have probably seen in the screenshots from the night before last, jinx rapidly escalated things to another level while I was trying to figure out how to handle crimson’s unbanning and subsequent rebanning an hour later.

Clique #2

Phew. Still with me? Great. The second group we needed to ban was one that actually started long before the first one, but was a lot smaller and comparatively more subtle. This group, to my knowledge, cropped up around the time that ep. 39 of Nevermore was released. (11/10/22) We knew about this group but not who all was involved in it or in what capacity for a very long time. They would consistently post things on Tumblr trying to start a scandal. I recall posts alleging that we were racists, or SA apologists, or that we were sending death threats to a random confessions account.

To be clear, these allegations are completely false. This clique will say anything. Like a recent post one of them put up during this discourse said that hiwi (our mod) is both a r*pe apologist and a childhood friend of mine and that’s the only reason she hasn’t been banned. Hiwi is absolutely nothing of the sort, and I have never met her in person. In fact, she lives on the other side of the continent.

Now, this clique is a little different than the first. The first, to my knowledge, was a group of friends that got toxic and felt morally superior about their opinions and it all kind of got away from them. The vibe was a little catty, I guess. Gossipy. But this clique has more of a stalker vibe. It’s dark.

They’ve had it out specifically for me for as long as I can remember. And some of them (at least one, at all times) would subscribe to our patreon, both to sow dissent in our stream chats and also to leak literally all the content back to the others, including me talking about random shit like what I ate for lunch. Just so they could like. Laugh about it, I guess. I’ll never understand why. [Editing note: because in the final moments of proofreading this post I see one of these people has made some master post about what a terrible person I am? A lot of those screenshots are from Patreon channels and the guy STILL has them laying around. I’m telling you, they stole everything that wasn’t nailed down.]

The biggest grievance this clique had is that any ship with Montresor is an “SA fetish ship” because to them he is a r*pist because of how he made Ada bark (?) and since Montrada is canon, that means we are supporters of SA, and that Morella and Ada should be together instead. Listen, I’ll level with you, this one baffles me. I don’t even know how to begin to untangle it. But if you see a lot of vitriol about us being SA apologists from these users, it’s because Montresor exists. That’s pretty much it.

You can ask them for screencaps ‘til you’re blue in the face, but unless they build fake ones from the ground up, they’re never going to be able to back up their wild claims. Simply put, they’re provocateurs, and they use the scariest words they can to whip people up into a panic.

We became aware that they were leaking patreon content when one of them was caught publicly referring to things that were being said behind a paywall when we knew they weren’t a patron. It unraveled from there. People who knew about their antics shared screenshots and information with us, and we finally realized the scope of the clique’s hatred and banned whoever was even left in the Nevermore Discord. But they continue to be active in the community on tumblr. You’ll have seen them around. They were banned on 5/11/2024 and the names involved are as follows (again, a mishmash of discord names, nicknames, and tumblr accounts):

- percy (gremlinguy145 on tumblr)

- queenmorningrose (annabel-lee-nevermore on tumblr)

- spoopycactus630 (spoopy-nevermore-dump on tumblr)

- grif/horrorshow (conscience-grim on tumblr)

- unreqiknizd

- duke aralt (westofthestyx)

- eden (sapphic-mad-scientist on tumblr)

- priemium

Again I’d like to reiterate. The point in sharing these names is not to incite any sort of response against these people. But they are folding themselves into the fray and doing what they can to whip everyone else up into a mob, and all as we’re talking about a discord server that they have been banned from for months now. The above context is also relevant for the next section, which is why you’re all here in the first place.

What the hell happened with Crimson?

I hope it’s not confusing, but now we’re going back to 3/14/2024, before anything I just outlined above had come to light. The cliques were quietly doing their harassment and baiting and raiding and whatever-the-hell behind the scenes, but Flynn and I and the mods were blissfully unaware of how bad it was getting. We get a dm from Laci. The same Laci who was part of Clique #1 and was rescued from being banned with the others by her friends outside the group. Jinx’s friend, who managed to get them unbanned as well. You have probably seen these screencaps already, but I will show them to you again, just in case.

Sufficed to say, we were immediately alarmed by the information Laci shared in her DM with us. Now, I want to be very clear about this because it’s been lost in the game of telephone. What Laci outlines in her dm to me, were the events that occurred between six users (including crimson) in a group chat with minors. Everyone in the evidence was censored (pfp and username), as was the image that crimson showed them. When I asked, Laci agreed to give me one name of one of the minors in the dm. I’ll call them Alice, but that is not their real name. I asked if I could talk to Alice about this, I was told by Laci, no. Alice doesn’t want to talk. I was like, ok I understand, that’s fine.

I hope it makes sense when I say that it is not feasible for us to moderate the things that happen in peoples’ dms. As you’ve seen above, the mod team doesn’t usually get involved with drama unless whatever is happening is directly affecting the experience people are having in the Nevermore Discord because that is all we can see and the only place we have any real authority. But this was obviously a special case. We banned crimson very quickly without asking any follow-up questions, because of course we did!? I’ve seen people say I’m harboring or defending crimson or that we’re buddies but we barely spoke, ever. They were a stranger to me then, and they still are now.

But something about the entire situation wasn’t adding up to me. And I want to be clear that none of this is in any way meant to discredit csa survivors, I’m really just trying to put you in my headspace and walk you through my thought process. But I found that the evidence was just, sort of strange. Laci started her dm explaining that she found this information out because she and a group of people were investigating crimson for ‘art tracing’ which felt, to me, like a bizarre non-sequitur and totally irrelevant next to the evidence of them showing nsfw content to minors. Petty, kind of. Like I wanted to ask – why were you doing that in the first place? People trace Flynn’s art all the time. As long as they’re not selling it, it’s not a big deal.

Most of the crops are from a PC but the windows are oddly small, and only contain a couple messages at a time. Some have American formatted time and some have European formatted time. So different users, I assume? The names were blotted out, which I would understand for a public call-out but not for a private report to the mod team. Laci was not in this gc at any point in time, despite being the one to report.

One of the users was apparently 12, to which I ask – what is a 12-year-old doing on discord at all? If we knew who they were, we would have reported the account. Discord is not a safe place for a child that age, let alone a small group chat. Along with 18-year-old Crimson, there was also a 22- and 17-year-old in the chat, which left us wondering – why hadn’t anything been done?

I had no evidence that anyone ever told crimson they were minors, and I feel if it existed, it would have been in the screencap dump (I find that sometimes a noticeable lack of key evidence is evidence in itself). No one seems to have tried to kick crimson from the group chat or report their account for inappropriate behavior. Then there’s the fact that this is a group chat. Anyone in it can leave at any time.

Then I came across the messages that started this whole gc, and it only got stranger when I realized Alice started it, called it “Women Lovers” and created it “so we can talk about Nevermore women without having to filter ourselves” after they all reacted to a sultry but sfw drawing of Lenore that crimson had made and posted in our hideout channel. And all that made me wonder why Alice didn’t just kick crimson, if she had admin power? Do you see what I mean? It’s just all a bit head tilty. I noticed it at the time. But I said nothing. Because it didn’t matter. Crimson, no matter what happened, exposed minors to nsfw content. And that’s on them. And I’ve never in my life defended it. We banned them.

Crimson was beside herself. She came off humiliated and apologetic, and insisted she had no idea and begged to come back to a community she said she loved. But we told her no, there’s no coming back from doing what she did.

Time passes and we uncover Clique #1. And while we figured out who the main players were, I dmed with Laci. And it was Laci herself, who tells me that it was Alice who made most of Clique #1’s alt accounts, and that it was Alice who used those alt accounts to harass people and try to get them to start fights or say something that might get them in trouble.

And I’ll be honest with you, the mod team still didn’t think much of it, outside of – we need to figure out which accounts were the alts. So we did. We had several confirmed to us. And those accounts were zeroing in on certain users that the clique didn’t like. At the time we noticed two notable targets in addition to the mod team. I won’t name them, it’s their business if they want to weigh in about all that. But in screencaps, they’ll be labeled Target #1 and Target #2.

More time passes and Clique #2 comes to light. As you can imagine, by now we’re feeling disillusioned, and very tired of trying to moderate shit we cannot see for ourselves. And that’s when crimson comes back to very hesitantly ask if they might be able to appeal their ban. It wasn’t until then that it occurred to us that Laci (on behalf of Alice) was the only one who ever reported anything to us about Crimson.

And I want to just say that again. Because it’s gotten lost too. Laci was the only person who ever reported Crimson. There was not one single other person who ever sent a modmail or a dm or even a ping to anybody on the mod team. I have since (only yesterday) seen some screencaps that are rather skin crawly, but even those happened in yet another side server. Thinking on this, the mods went back through the known alt accounts Alice had used. And they found that Alice harassed crimson both on her main account and on the same alt accounts that she used to harass the other targets.

By now, Alice is banned for completely unrelated reasons. Not because of what happened with Crimson. I’ve seen that one flying around and I’m sorry it’s just not true. It’s because she was relentlessly harassing and cyberbullying people in the discord we moderate. Laci is still there, but had lost my trust, for being involved with both the drama I’ve mentioned here and more that I don’t care to dip into. It’s ultimately irrelevant. But what am I going to say to Laci? “Hey, did you and Alice, by any chance, coordinate some kind of bizarre trap together to get crimson banned from the discord because you suspected them of tracing their art?” And once again. Because I want to keep this top of mind. Even if that were the case, it doesn’t make what Crimson did alright, and it never will. Sharing nsfw content in front of minors is a disgusting thing to do. And one that we frankly are really irritating about in the moderation of the discord. I’ve heard people say that we over-moderate when it comes to art.

But all this stuff about a “known pedophile?” If it was known, then we were on the outs. And to even this minute right now, I don’t have any conclusive evidence that Crimson is a pedophile. The evidence I have is that Crimson shared nsfw with a group of people whose ages they did not know. Which is fucking gross. It’s an adult’s responsibility to make sure they’re speaking with other adults before posting things of that nature.

But at the time, the way I read the situation is that Crimson had only just stopped being a minor and was egregiously negligent in how they were speaking and what they were posting, likely in part due to them not being aware enough of their adult responsibilities. And hey. I know some of you are chomping at the bit. You can call me naïve for this! This is what I’m referring to when I say that I can be a real idiot. But I feel everyone has been very quick to call Crimson a pedophile. I know this is pedantic to say, but the prerequisite for being a pedophile is “being attracted to minors.” Based on the information I had at my fingertips, I did not think Crimson sought out these minors. Crimson was invited to the gc, they did not ask to join.

I have seen discussions about all the things crimson did to their victims since we unbanned them but I have not seen screencaps to support that whole ‘marriage proposal’ thing, and again I think it sounds a bit odd coming as a pedophilia accusation from someone only one year younger than crimson.

But you know what? I don’t know crimson. Maybe we were wrong. But even if we weren’t, I realize in hindsight that it was a stupid decision for the mod team to give them a second chance. We didn’t have anyone to consult about what happened because all the other people in the chat had been obscured from me and I didn’t feel like Laci would give me a straight answer.

The mods and I felt at the time that crimson, like the other targets of Clique #1, had been singled out and that they deserved another very closely monitored chance in the discord, which they said they still missed dearly. I’m a bleeding heart, alright? A total sap. I know that. But being honest with you, I felt bad. It feels horrible to be singled out and targeted. And I was probably too close to that feeling at the time, seeing as we were on the tail end of finding out the Clique #2 had pursued me so relentlessly for so long.

So for my part, I’m sorry. I made a rash decision that was influenced by some very personal circumstances. And we should have left it alone. Based on the evidence I've seen, I don’t know if I personally would call crimson a pedophile and certainly I wouldn't call them a known pedophile, but I am regretful that we risked it either way.

When I was trying to explain all of this in the west common room channel two nights back, things had boiled over and were already getting out of hand very quickly. A lot of brand new accounts were joining the discord with one word intros just to start conflicts in the public server with crimson. Alts. Either from banned users or burner accounts. And I got panicky. One of the mods paused the messages in west common room but no one besides me was available to handle the situation at that moment. Reacts about being silenced were pouring in and I felt pressured to quickly take over and try to explain.

In my rush, I stupidly didn’t backread more than a quick skim. And I ate shit, y’all. You saw. One thing I want to state outright. I’m talking a lot about my thoughts and my feelings and it’s because I don’t wanna speak for Flynn or for the mods. But I didn’t make this decision alone. In fact, I was dragging my feet and being really lazy about okaying the whole thing. Just because I was busy, not because I was fretting over it or anything. But I had to be pinged and then literally tapped on the shoulder by Flynn, asking me to respond to mod chat when this was being discussed earlier that day. That doesn’t change the fact that I was part of the decision. I agreed to unban crimson. Foolishly. I understand that, now.

I hope that now it makes some more sense though, how it came to happen. I never meant to hurt anyone. My own past and present feelings got in the way, and I own that. But in the moment, my personal intention was to give crimson a second chance because I felt that they’d been targeted by Clique #1. Not to ignore anyone’s concerns or make them feel unsafe, even if those were the ultimate outcome.

So, completely underprepared and defensive, I jumped into west common room and I just. Blew it. Totally fucking blew it. I knew it instantly but it’s hard to stay logical when people are telling you you’re vile and evil and they’re sick that they ever thought you were a good person and that they’ll never see you the same way again. My mind went blank and I don’t really remember much of what happened next. But I said what I said, and I should have done better.

I wish there was a word bigger than sorry. I’m beside myself. I know there was probably a way to make everyone happy. To make everything okay. But I wasn't clever enough to figure it out in the moment, and it eats at me. So it’s like I’m sorry for my poor judgment and my terrible choice of words, but there’s another layer where I’m also sorry for not matching how wonderful this community is with how wonderful (or well, unwonderful) I was two nights ago. I promise I am going to work harder to be better for you all.

Again, to every victim of SA and CSA, my heart is with you, more personally than you might realize. I don’t think I could have handled my explanation in a worse way. And I’m so so sorry.

Moving forward, I am also going to take an enormous step back from moderating and participating in the discord in general. I feel like a lot of this happened because I was still treating it like it belonged to a smaller fandom, like Shiloh’s. But realistically, I don’t have time to both moderate and make the series itself, and I really dragged my feet on being honest with myself about that. And for that too, I apologize. We’re going to get more mods, they’re going to have full control of the moderation, and Flynn and I are going to do what we love more than anything in the world and just make Nevermore.

I understand if you won’t be there for it. This is not a flattering picture I’ve painted for you. And you’d be well within your rights, to decide not to give us another chance. But it's been a pleasure to lurk here in this wildly talented corner of tumblr. And I’ll never forget it. <3 Yours truly, -Kit Trace

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miguenhasthoughts · 8 months ago

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TW: Domestic Abuse. Child Abuse. Neglect. Drug Abuse. Mental Breakdown. Mention of Suicide Attempt.

Perception is a funny thing. Some memories seem so clear yet others in the moment might carry a whole other experience.

I’ve been told that I used to hide behind the couch when my parents would fight. I have memories of being behind the couch, I remember the texture of the carpet, I remember it would around seven and sun was already setting. It made the room dark as the light lowered second by second. I remember looking up at my parents as they stood in the kitchen. I don’t remember the fighting. It’s a funny thing. I thought my parents were happily married.

When my dad went to jail. I thought that somehow made me a bad as well. Why would I think that? I hadn’t done anything wrong. Yet I feared I would. When you are a kid you sort of assume you’ll follow in your parent’s footsteps steps. My family hated my dad, they had good reason. Yet they all took it out me because I was his child. Maybe I was guilty I thought.

I lived with my sister for a year. She didn’t make me go to school. She’d put thick blankets on the windows to keep it nice and dark in the house. She let me play video games all day and she would bring me all my favorite snacks. My BIL would be gone all day and only show up at night. He knew something wasn’t right but instead of being an adult he would pick on me for letting myself be spoiled. I didn’t know at the time was I was being appeased so I wasn’t made aware of the neglect going on. My BIL would push masc stereotypes on me and it made me uncomfortable. He would come and argue with my sister then leave again. I would play a game with them, I would help them screw the hinges off the doors when one of them would lock themselves away from the other. It didn’t click for me how bad they were abusing eachother. My sister would treat stabbing her husband as a cutesy thing. As a child adults can downplay their bad behavior where it’s not as scary as it should be. I would find out later that my sister and her husband were on meth.

My dad was deported. He said he’d get therapy when he got out. That wasn’t the case once he knew he would get deported. Instead he continued to manipulate my mom by using me as leverage. I didn’t know I played a part in the choices these adults made. He was a bastard of a man. He had a smile smeared with shit that most wouldn’t notice. My dad made me uncomfortable after that point. It wasn’t long till I found out he was cheating on my mom. After we moved to a whole other country because of him. I didn’t know right away and before I found out my mom would be hysterical, screaming her head off because she had enough of his bullshit. My dad tried to manipulate me to his side saying my mom was crazy while he stood calm and quiet. Classic abuse tactic. Yet I never fell for it. I trusted my mom more than I could ever trust him.

I was a teenager now and I was more keen on my rights and wrongs. Not that it mattered. My mom suffered temporary amnesia due to the abuse. She didn’t even recognize me. My father tried to convince me she was faking. That’s how much of a bastard he was. I saw my mom stab my dad. A few times. My dad would do this thing where he would choke my mom and then call me into the room and attempt to gaslight my mom saying he wasn’t just suffocating her while she pleaded to me and what had just occurred. That fucked with my perception. Yet I always believed my mom.

When my mom left. My dad would go on week long trips. He’d leave me money to survive. I was 15. At the time I thought it was pretty neat. I had all the independence I wanted. I started to drink and smoke and stay out all night. I wouldn’t eat so I can use the money for partying. I didn’t realize I was being neglected again. I tell this story to people and they are horrified when I remember it as a fond time in my childhood. Though there was a lingering feeling of being unlovable. This would be around the time of my first suicide attempt. So why do I hold those memories so dear despite how awful they actually were?

By the time I finally lived with my mom again. Back in the states. I was so confused why my parents tried to make it work. When I moved out on my own. My mom planned on moving back with my dad. Despite all the fighting and abuse. I didn’t get it. I was told all my life that no matter what I should still love my dad. So at the time I did. I was never taught to hold someone accountable. At some point my mom came to her senses and she bowed out at the last second and broke up with my dad. I remember being on the phone with my dad. I brought up all the bad things he did and how it’s probably for the better. I told him that I didn’t think his past actions made him a bad person forever, that I believed he could grow as a person and that I would always be there for him because he was my father and that I loved him.

That was the last time I talked to my dad. He ghosted me after that. I remember he reciprocated the support on the phone but there must’ve been a point where his wants outweighed his love for me. Then those feelings of neglect and feeling unlovable returned. Three months later it was my birthday. I remember that birthday. My mom tried to reassure me he would call me for my birthday. He didn’t. Usually people are busy for my birthday so all I could depend on was my immediate family and they let me down. Now when my birthday comes around I always feel depressed and unlovable.

This trend keeps happening in my life. It’s hard not to think the problem lays with me. Yet no one can tell me what is wrong with me. All I have is this trauma I have the privilege of sharing.

#trauma dumping #abandoment issues #venting #it’s way too late for this shit.#I thought things would be different #perception is fucked #ghosted #trigger warning #suicide warning #domestic abuse #drug abuse #neglect

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sun-in-retrograde · 9 months ago

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Salacia Opposing Makemake

On 15 March Makemake and Salacia will oppose one another with Salacia at 9 degrees of Aries and Makemake at 10 degrees of Libra. They’ll remain within 1 degree of each other until 30 April as Makemake retrogrades back into Salacia. Then, for a few months Salacia will be ahead until it retrogrades back into Makemake and enters a close conjunction again 4 September to 21 October.

This is something that happens every year right now. Salacia has been opposing Makemake at a wide orb since 1998 when it was in Pisces and it will continue to do so until 2045 when Salacia will be in Taurus. Close oppositions (under one degree) between the two planets will pop up in the Summer of 2012-2019; in the Spring and Autumn of 2020-2030; then the opposition will ebb away with the last few in the winter of 2031-2038. What this means is that this opposition is currently at its strongest - we’ve had 12 years of it and we have 14 years to go.

The Planets

Makemake is relatively large for a dwarf planet - it takes 306.2 years to cross the zodiac. Salacia is the smallest of the dwarf planets to be named. It’s smaller and a little bit faster - it makes it across the zodiac in 274 years. Because of their relatively similar speeds, aspects last a long time. As far as I can see they were last conjunct in the 11th century.

This means for most people alive now, if Makemake and Salacia have anything to do with one another, it’ll be oppositional. And this is a real shame because I genuinely don’t think they’re naturally hostile to one another. Makemake and Salacia seem to work in the same area - how you use resources and systems.

My view is, Makemake takes a bit of a birds eye view of something while Salacia is about being very much in it. Makemake is interested in how things fit together and how to use that. Salacia is more about vibes. If Makemake wanted to sell you something it could talk you into it. Salacia would have a shop you’re naturally interested in going into. When I think of Makemake I think of nationalism, patriotism, and manipulating resources. When I think of Salacia I think of forms of media, ways of networking, and things that are hidden or hard to see.

The Opposition

When Makemake and Salacia oppose, look for systems that are hiding, or things hidden in systems. Particularly, look for things hidden in how systems made up of people.

Manipulative nationalism or cult behaviour strikes me as very appropriate for the Makemake-Salacia opposition. Basically you have the manipulative abilities of Makemake working alongside the hiddenness of Salacia. Malware, gaslighting, parasocial relationships and scams are all very relevant for this, but particularly situations where the core of the scam is how you identify and what you identify with.

The core lie to watch out for is “You can trust me because we’re the same”. The core lie to watch out for in yourself is the belief that someone is going to treat you well because they’re in your church, or political movement, or share your interest in astrology, or share your queer identity. We often think of scams, cults, abuse and grooming as things that happen to other people. In the UK “Muslim grooming gangs” have been a huge issue even though there’s no evidence that you’re more likely to be abused by a Muslim than a white person. It’s comforting to believe that evil is somehow different to your own community because it’s far easier to believe that than to recognise that the risk is always from people who look like you, talk like you, think like you, live with you.

So, yeah, keep your hand on your wallet. Be safe. Don’t put your passwords or bank details into anything surprising without thinking about it first. Explore new ideas all you like but remain genuinely curious, and that means not just staying open minded but also being critical of the person telling you about UFOs, or how to vote, or how to lose weight, or dwarf planet astrology. They might be just bullshitting you.

The Positives

You know what, it’s good to be part of a group, it’s good to be seduced, and we do have elections coming up and a genocide in Gaza to fight. In Salacia and Makemake we have two somewhat cerebral and manipulative energies in close aspect for a long period of time. Now could be a good time to sweep someone off their feet, or be swept. It might not be as meaningful as you think at the time but that doesn’t mean it’s not potentially fun. Propaganda and group identification might be kicked into overdrive for the next few weeks but that also means there’s possibilities to get a message out and solidify your groups. Maybe don’t expect truth to get as far as lies or genuine community to win out over cultish devotion - but we have the cosmic energy we have and all we can do is work with it ethically.

Also, sometimes it might be good to be a part of a crowd. Makemake is direct and Salacia is retrograde so now would be a good time for collective actions - the Eurovision fandom is doing this at the moment. People have formed relationships through a shared interest, got angry about the war in Gaza, and now they’re working out how to act on that. A movement emerges where there wasn’t one visible before. It emerges in conflict and sadness, but that’s powerful. More of that please.

I’ve got notes underneath about examples of this aspect in the past and a schedule of when it happened and will happen.

Oppositions started 1998 Salacia in Pisces (within 5 degrees)

Oppositions Within 1

9 June 2012-27 June 2012

22 May 2013-18 July 2013

12 May 2014-31 July 2014

5 May 2015-10 August 2015

27 April 2016-19 August 2016

22 April 2017-27 August 2017

16 April 2018-5 September 2018

11 April 2019-13 September 2019

5 April 2020-3 June 2020; 23 July-20 September

2021: 31 March-22 May; 6 August 2021-28 September

2022: 26 March-14 May; 17 August-6 Obctober

2023: 22 March-7 May; 27 August- 14 October

2024: 15 March-30 April; 4 September-21 October

2025: 10 March-24 April; 13 September-29 October

2026: 4 March-19 April; 21 September-7 November

2027: 26 February-14 April; 29 September-17 November

2028: 20 February-8 April; 5 October-26 November

2029: 11 February-3 April; 13 October-9 December

2030: 1 February-29 March; 21 October-5 January 2031

2031: 7 January-24 March;

2031/2032: 29 October 2031-18 March 2032

2032/2033: 5 November 2032-13 March 2033

2033/4: 14 November 2033-7 March 2034

2034/5: 23 November 2034-28 February 2035

2035/6: 3 December 2035-21 February 2036

2036/7: 15 December 2036-10 February 2037

2038: 5 January 2038-23 January 2038

Ends (at 5 degrees 2045) Salacia in Taurus

Julian Assange when he hid in the embassy - Makemake was conjunct his natal Pluto and Salacia was Conjunct Chariklo - so survival and hidden knowledge were issues related to hiding by attaching himself to a nation. Makemake opposes Gonggong along his MC. Gongong is associated with major upsets and upheavals and Makemake is associated with national identity. Pretty appropriate for someone who shocked the world by revealing national secrets

Brexit happened with an opposition between the 8th house Makemake (what the country is owed) and 2nd house Salacia (our place in a global economy)

Zelenskyy had a Makemake - Gonggong opposition along his MC, again, appropriate for someone whose election has led to such an upheaval and a change in Ukraine's self-image and image in the world. When he was elected president the Makemake-Salacia opposition had a positive aspect with him Sun and Venus which really shines a light on his charm and charisma.

#tw abuse #astrology #asteroid astrology #dwarf planet astrology #makemake #salacia

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