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i think i've solved my act one camp outfit problem for now. i stole lae'zel's pants (she has wyll's crop top while wyll got the homely clothes) and minthara's underwear and dyed the pants purple. the sandal shoes are eh but it works. the default tiefling undies are okay but the web detailing on minthara's is v nice. i knocked her out so we'll see if i can still recruit her at moonrise sans undies lmao.
i had a much easier time in the goblin camp this time. minthara kicked my paladin's ass but the bard managed much better. i've been leaning more toward crowd control for her spells and it's been working really well with lae'zel's mobility and astarion's sneak attack. i didn't manage to kill gut before she called for help and the stupid zhents got involved. the lil halfling binch fireballed half my party and it became my main goal to obliterate her lol. got her stupid bloodied axe for free baybee. grabbed halsin for the ragzlin fight which was a good idea bc lae'zel got knocked out before i could lock down the boss. only managed to knock one goblin into the spider pit tho which was disappointing.
still death free but ethel and the githyanki patrol are next. i tried the ethel fight before the goblin camp but couldn't do it. i prob could if i didn't want to save all of her victims. i feel bad for the masked guys but the fight is so much easier if you kill them first.
#madelyn rambles#i used sleep on the goblin kids to stop them from calling for help#in the warg den where halsin is#and halsin straight up immediately just murdered one of them#then he says smth like 'i don't like violence' when he asks you to kill the goblin leaders#bruh#they WERE throwing rocks at him but still#also lmao at shart and astarion's running commentary if you do the loviatar thing#it doesn't net you any approval ofc but at least they enjoyed themselves
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Let's talk about genocide Starlo
... because on one hand, I understand where the devs were coming from. They wanted to highlight that Star was not the cool, badass sheriff he'd love to be. Some pointed out how, realistically, he couldn't have defeated Clover and especially delivered the final blow (he does it in pacifist/neutral bc hes in the worst possible headspace). Star is a big softie and a "naive fool," lets be real. But still, there is one more thing that he is: caring.
He cares about the town, toursits, especially his friends. It's been shown over and over and OVER again. And i'm sure as hell disappointed he didn't bring a real gun. Yeah, he was always aware this was all play pretend, but just for a few minutes, this man should have tried to be the sheriff he never got the chance to be before.
For the sake of everyone. For the sake of justice.
I'm not even asking for an epic battle. I'm asking for a battle that wouldn't even be close to Undyne's in UT's geno. But it would be Starlo's battle. A battle he was robbed of for the sake of Ceroba getting the spotlight.. for the 2nd time. Because this dude is clearly seen as a joke by the devs. I'll ask:
Why ceroba AGAIN? she shone in pacifist, while Star was always more of a comic relief and its depressing. Especially since the genocide route ties too well with a twisted image of justice. Star values it as much as Clover, but here he could have been the hero of justice. I just have to say....
STARLO IS THE ONLY ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS WHO DOESN'T EVEN HAVE BATTLE MODE IN GENOCIDE WE WERE ROBBED HES LITERALLY THE EQUIVALENT TO MONSTER KID OR METTATON NEO i'm not sure BUT EVEN MK GOT A BATTLE MODE. METTATON NEO ALSO GOT A BATTLE MODE. EVERYONE GOT A BATTLE MODE EXCEPT STARLO
He should have said... "I may not be a real sheriff by title, but my soul will deliver justice!" Or smth Then just like during the Asgore fight, he'd almost be dead, ceroba arrives, tries to protect star, gets shot by Clover, they say goodbye to each other, then, before he is about to get shot too starlo says smth like genocide undyne and that's how he goes out.
Even better, he, without thinking, throws his hat on the ground (bc he metaphorically no longer wants to admire or associate himself with humans, ever again), seeing his bff die in front of him and goes either: "I don't care if you make fun. This isn't about being cool anymore. This is about my town, my friends. This is about JUSTICE." or "No... I won't fight you/deliver justice as North Star." *pause* "I'll do it as Starlo." and the dork then just stares at clover (There'd be a "laugh" option if Clover decides to act because, well, they see him for the nerd he is) but he's DETERMINED and at this point it doesn't even matter if he's not skilled, he'd do something he hadn't done in years just for the sake of saving his remaining friends, family, and other potential victims: Starlo would fight AS HIMSELF.
But maybe he wouldn't even fight after he takes his hat off. maybe he'd try to explain to Clover violence isn't the answer like Martlet, because that's something the real him would do. He'd drop the hat, drop the gun, drop the belief that he's a badass, and instead accept that he was, and always will be, a big ol' softie. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Point is, would he actually kill clover? hell no. That would be ooc (now that I think about it, why wouldn't he, when he is able to do it in other 2 routes? And he COULD have done it in flawed pacifist? His whole world and identity crashing down and losing all his friends is terrible, losing his bff to a human he trusted and to whom he gave a gun is also terrible, but so is letting a genocidal maniac continue killing)
But he'd die knowing two things:
1)he had tried to be a real, dignified sheriff, and failed (bc he died, not bc he didn't try. In canon, he doesn't even try and THAT'S SO UNLIKE HIM especially considering the situation)
2)in his final moments, he finally became himself again
and that.. that would have been so much more satisfying than what we got.
#uty#undertale yellow#starlo uty#uty starlo#i wont even check the grammar this time#im really mad rn#like i get what they were going for but#star deserved this fight#why is he treated like a joke all the time#Imagine if he canonically had something of substance to say to clover#even axis threw at us an important piece of lore before he was blown up#dalv too
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Soft!Bo Sinclair X Fem!Reader | Headcanons
>> PART 2
Author's note: Basically, how Bo's heart softened and spared you from death. And yeah I'm kinda fucked in the head for writing him this way, but HEAR ME OUT━ I consider doing a part 2 to extend the topic hihi (like, what life in Ambrose with him later looks like or smth + NSFW obviously), but these are my first headcanons, so please be considerate. <3
Warnings: it's a bit lenghty, sorry, canon typical violence, SFW (lot's of comfort)
Word count: 1.1k
Before your first "visit" to Ambrose, you and your friends set up a camp in the nearby woods - you were on a camping trip around Louisiana, for fun I guess or maybe during some break in your school/work
Bo watched your group from the tree line that night, he saw how poorly they treated you, how ignoring and demeaning they were towards you, why on Earth would you spend time with them?
He formed a strong opinion about those people right then and somehow took a little, tiny bit pity on you
When the car mysteriously broke down during the night, you along your companions took a walk to the small town nearby, searching the local mechanic
He was quick to find you, sitting on a pavement in front of a gas station
The man was charming, you admitted to yourself finally, especially when his bright irises traced your every step around the station
Bo looked enchanted, amazed by your personality, the way you talked, your appearance or all at once
But when some of your friends began to disappear few hours later, the true horror began
You stuck between the weirdly abandoned houses with two of your companions who were quick to seal your fate
They used handcuffs they found on the policeman wax figure to strap you to the metal pipe on the gas station - as a fucking offering to the killers chasing after the tourists
"Wh- THE HELL YOU'RE DOING?!"
"Creating a distraction I guess" they responded, trying to justify their actions, before running off, abandoning you to die alone
No matter how hard you struggled against the tube or the handcuffs, there was no way you could escape this without cutting your palm off
Obviously you wanted to avoid that option
And then, out of bloom, he appeared - dressed in a blue coverall, sweat drops shining over his forehead, tousled hair sticking to his temple - clearly running after your "friends"
Bo noticed you in an instant and a wide smile twisted his face - such a prize as you, being placed (offered even) in front of him like a gift? best day ever for our man Bo
And if you are considerably way younger than him, let's say early twenties - he would take an extra intrest in you (being more vulnerable for manipulation *COUGHS*), also extra points if you have daddy issues
Come on, this guy just wants to be worshiped by younger girl and tells her what to do, okay?
"My, my, what do we have 'ere?" he asked rhetorically, slowly lurching toward you "Little fuckers left ya behind? Tsk, tsk"
You froze in place petrified, but... he didn't seem to want to hurt you
Bo swooped your loose hair behind your ear, before carefully examining your form - all this time you stood still
Because what else could you do? You were immobilized, ffs
"Don't worry darlin', Imma take care of 'em, yeah? Just stay right here"
He placed a goodbye-kiss on top of your head, before returning to his "duties", the hunt wasn't over yet
So you stood there helpless, bound to the metal pipe outside of the gas station for God knows how long, wondering what will happen to your friends and what will happen to you
You took a peek inside the wax museum and soon enough you found out the town was in fact empty - there had to be a correlation, right?
Besides you saw the man with a weird mask and long black hair stab one of your companions in the neck - so the conclusion was quite simple
When Beauregard came back with a pair of tiny keys looped on his thumb, you gave him a merciful stare with glossy eyes, non verbally expressing the thought "please, don't kill me"
"You're a smart girl, ain'tcha? Gonna be good, yeah? That means 'no troubles', got it?" Bo spoke softly, his voice enchanting you with sweet venom
He unlocked the handcuffs and set you free, while you gently nodded your head, agreeing to being "good".
"T-Thanks" you massaged the bruised wrist, devouring feeling of "freedom", before he placed his big palm on your lower back
It was so warm
"Come, you must be tired, huh?" Sinclair guided you to walk along him, heading to the house on a hill
His house
Bo invited you inside, opening the doors and guiding you once again with his hand
If he only could, he would hold you, touch you, fondle your flesh all the time - you were fucking magnetic
You politely entered the house, feeling his presence on your back - at this point you wanted to punch yourself in the face for thinking that you're safe now, that he wouldn't hurt you - he probably just killed your friends
But the man took a weird liking to you, maybe it was your bargaining chip to survival?
It was already dark outside when Bo led you to his room upstairs
He caught a clean t-shirt from the drawer and placed it in your hands
"Why are you doing this? Why are you kind to me?" you kept your head down, fingers digging into the material of his shirt
There was a dead silence for a seconds before he responded
"Such a girl like you doesn't deserve to be treated like trash, yeah? You had shitty friends, doll"
You finally looked up at him
He was smiling, it was a gentle smile, a caring one
"Now, maybe we should finally rest, hm? It was a long day"
You did not protest when he pointed with his finger to the bathroom, where you could change into the clean clothes
Neither when he changed into his pajama and guided you towards his bed
The adrenaline and emotions from the whole day kept you on a constant survival mode - but of course, you thought about escape
Yet you didn't
Somehow you made it this far
But now you were lying in bed beside him, under one sheet
You tried to remain calmness, but the tears overfilled your tired eyes - you started crying, trying to remain as still as possible
But Bo felt your curled up form shaking and a few weeps could be heard though you tried to hide it
"Come 'ere" he spoke through the darkness of his room "come, sweetheart. There's no need to cry"
When you turned around to face him, his arm was already opened, inviting you into his embrace
And you foolishly succumbed into his touch
This should feel wrong, but it didn't
He was so warm
Bo brought you even closer to his chest, letting his heat radiate through you
Oh, to have him take care of you <3
You melted into his touch and soon after fall asleep in his arms
Bo never wish for his precious girl to cry like this again
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Welcome To The World Of POKéMON!
“ What is this ? ”
if not obvious, this is a rp/askblog for the pokepasta Blue Tears , based on the original story and the remake & ROM hack.
this blog will not be art based, but it will contain art if i have time for it. it will be mostly textbox based/ replied will be given in textbox form, and most of the art will likely be official game freak art that was slightly edited if at all. there will also probably be a good deal of narrative replies/writing if i don't have time.
CWS:
on top of the original cws for the original pokepasta ( implied pokemon death, gore, violence/blood, suicide ), this blog will likely also contain mentions of neglect, strong language, and a llloot of nihilism.
INTERP INFO
while sticking as close to canon as i can, in order to make the blog, well, make sense, ill be adding a few details.
similar to @/pokemon-monochrome, the players ( askers ) have found an abandoned gameboy. and, well..you'll figure out the rest in the starter post.
So far, we know that
Blue is self aware
There seems to be some kind of vague difference between "BLUE" , your rival, and "TEARS", the one who kills RED over and over.
At some point, BLUE was forced to face Missingno, which correlated with his gaining awareness.
According to OAK, his parents died in a vicious Pokemon attack. He blames BLUE for this, as his parents had left the young boy at his lab out of worry that he'd get hurt, and had therefore felt more confident in taking a more dangerous trip.
OAK harbors guilt related to aforementioned incident. And on the topic of OAK, he is also self aware—he was from the start.
tba im too lazy to write everything hhrhfksk
GENERAL RULES:
eh. the typical: no nsfw, don't be weird. if i don't get to an ask right away don't freak out. rp/chain replies (?) are allowed, too, but tag the blog in a separate post as to prevent clogging [ optional ]
OTHER MUSES
-are perfectly fine, and encouraged! don't try to force relationships, and be aware that BLUE is very abrasive. anything he says obviously doesn't reflect the way mod thinks. blahblahblah.
DMS/SUBMISSIONS
cool! no clue if either of those are even on actually but if you prefer to dm a roleplay starter im fine w that, as long as you're aware reply times will not be very consistent on some days.
"I WANNA SEE OTHER CHARACTERS"
there's a 70% chance you will! ill likely make other askblogs, and certain characters will appear on this one if they're relevant to the lore. so be patient :x
TAGS
( pokepasta askblog/answered asks ) - typical tags.
( ooc | not event ) - for when there's an event going on, and smth is unrelated. obviously
( not event ) - same as above, but in character.
( EVENT : ) event tag!! yay!! these are usually time-limited and will either end after a certain number of days or after certain information is obtained, depending on the popularity of the event.
( ENCOUNTER : ) - typically nocanon but not always, this is my special tag for interactions w other askblogs.
you can read my Blue Tears rewrite here
you can see an important post here
what's this a sideblog -> here
#uhh how to tag this#ooc#pokepasta#blue tears#pokepasta ask blog#pokemon creepypasta#also unfortunately i didn't write the original pokepasta! i did write a retake of sorts but i am not the original author.#i just have very much understanding of the character.
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ok ok here's my detailed nsfw headcanons (or ig....canon anyway bc it's my story?? LMAO) for six lives. obvious warning for nsfw/kink but also for mentions of domestic violence and sexual abuse (of adults and minors)
-William IS asexual in the usual sense that he doesn't experience attraction, however this society doesn't... have a term for that
-ironically, he's the guy fucking the most here. he has a very unhealthy view of sex-- he thinks it's unnecessary, it's awkward, he'd prefer to avoid it altogether, but he feels that because he CAN have sex as an Overlifer... he SHOULD. something his father taught him!
-he CAN enjoy it, just for the stimulation, but even that makes him kind of ill afterwards. it's a mix of the feeling that he saw something he shouldn't have as well as his trauma from the CSA
-he likes all sorts of BDSM, it genuinely makes sex a little more fun for him bc he's actively doing smth else while fucking. he CANNOT handle just lying there and taking it, and he can't handle seeing someone else that way, either
-for example: he loves to stim with the gags Bentinck puts on him. they need to be taken off pretty quickly so he can breathe, but he lovesss drooling over it
-he does draw the line at choking tho DO NOT CHOKE HIM
-if he loves you (like he does Bentinck) then he'll wrap his long long tail around your waist while you fuck his brains out 🥺🥺
-i've mentioned this before but he's very vocal. if you get him into subspace, he'll say things or make noises you NEVER could have imagined for him...
-now Bentinck! so this guy acts normal but he's kinky as shit, same levels as William
-he can be a gentle dom but he has a mild preference for subbing. he LOVES to be ruined
-he doesn't like pain so much tho, he's more into bondage and servitude and humiliation
-he loves gangbangs, especially when shit gets MESSY. he wants to be covered in cum and piss and drool and sweat
-however sometimes it's hard to enjoy them when he knows the people fucking him aren't really attracted to him, they're attracted to the idea of fucking an Ally, like some kind of power reversal. his biggest fantasy is being 'worshipped' by a bunch of his followers, and being instead fucked by people who would like to see him dead really messes with him... it's like, they don't deserve to see that of him
-he hardly ever cums without jacking off or someone doing it for him
-he's very good with fisting (he took someone up to their shoulder once and YES THAT IS POSSIBLE AND NO DONT ASK ME HOW I KNOW THAT) and huge dildos. he owns a few crazy monster cocks and has great fun riding them
-eating ass/pussy is his favorite thing in the world (oh yeah when Keppel shows up it's gonna be over for you bitches)
-he laughs. a lotttt. it's kind of a nervous response in the aforementioned gangbangs William sets him up to do, but he also does it bc he's having fun when he's topping
-Mary time!! she's actually pretty vanilla but rlly enjoys blindfolds, and she's got a bit of a sadistic streak
-she loves making boys cheat on their partners with her it's her favorite thing (imagine getting cucked by Mary tho LMAOOO)
-she's actually not super horny all the time like her father but when she gets high, she goes fucking nuts and is something of a power bottom
-also when she gets high, she's very loud
-she'll only let girls dominate her
-that's why she's got a bit of a friends-with-benefits situation going on with Anne Villiers, they regularly fuck and Anne's great at it so Mary has High Standards for her partners
-she prefers to have sex with her assassination targets before she kills them bc she rlly hates getting blood on her clothes. to her it's the hottest shit when she's washing blood off her tits
-and yes as Anne mentioned before she has lots of dildos and sex toys too. she can have her own fun
-in particular she loves vibrators
-and now we have her father!! oh dear where do i even begin. full on sadomasochist, the extremes of both sides of the spectrum. not a kink out there he doesn't like. he'll try everything
-generally he prefers to be a dom as well as a top, there's VERY few people he's willing to sub and/or bottom for
-however even as a dom he likes to receive pain. and like i mean crazy amounts of pain, he loves being whipped until he bleeds and he's REALLY into CBT
-there's also, ofc, knives, which he gets if he genuinely attempts to kill Maria. force her to fight back and all that
-you can't even nonconsensually torture this man bc he loves it so much
-as for the pain he INFLICTS, he loves flogging, beating, slapping, choking, shocking, all that wild shit. he'll just do it unprovoked tho, like without any discussion beforehand
-he regularly ignores safewords and pushes his partners to their very limits
-obv he ADORES bondage
-his favorite aspect of bondage is gags, specifically ring gags (the ones that force your mouth open). he loves to use Marly's mouth like that
-can't forget the green stockings kink. here it's extended to him being drawn to just the color green in general, he couldn't tell you why but he LOVES to see it on people and makes his partners wear it to remind everyone that he 'owns' them
-completely opposite views from William; he believes that as an Overlifer, he's entitled to the bodies of everyone around him. and he'll take them whenever he likes
-when he forces himself upon somebody for the first time, there's a very good chance he'll kill them if they don't show him respect for it. he seems to calm down a little after you get used to it, but it's terrifying for anyone involved. ofc, part of what's so thrilling to him is the fear
-he loves humiliating Marly and Maria. sometimes both at the same time
-sometimes when fucking Marly he'll mock the latter for his moans, like he'll hear Marly let out a gasp and then he'll copy it just to echo how pathetic he sounds
-mean rough fucker, won't let you cum without begging. and he's VERY good at making people beg
-there's no love for his subs after he's done with them. despite the fact that they might have reacted like he wanted them to, he still finds them fucking UNBEARABLE to look at afterwards. for just a moment, he hates them for their powerlessness
-necrophilia? probably. don't ask
-and now for everyone's favorite: Marly!!! ooh he's not kinky at ALL, despite the fact that he often finds himself in some damn Situations in all his movies/shows, and has actually come to hate BDSM for what he associates with it
-he's not even that much of a hoe tbh. he just happens to work for James, who thinks Marly is a horny little bitch who eats everything up
-despite being terrified of bondage, he finds the powerlessness and vulnerability kind of DOES turn him on. even the fear itself does smth for him. he's not sure why but the idea that he likes it even a little bit makes him highly uncomfortable
-as well as James taunting and humiliating him for it? no thank you, not for him
-he hates pain especially, all the ways James slaps and bats him around during sex INFURIATE him. he wants to be treated nicely in bed yknow
-he can tolerate BDSM a little bit more if it's consensual, but ofc it never fully is bc. well it's kinks he doesn't like. but like, if James is extra affectionate that night... he thinks he'll be okay
-he's never once complained about it tho. he thinks if that's how James wants to use his body, then he deserves to, and he gets enough out of it by having James fuck him anyway and knowing that his master is rlly enjoying himself using HIS body. oh it's an honor to him
-i mean it's crazy, he REALLY loves James' cock, he loves sucking it and worshipping it and taking it
-he's very polite. calls James 'sir' and thanks him for everything, even when he's just about losing his mind in the middle of it
-also a lot of 'i love you's. he tries to be very sweet
-oh yknow the tattoos on James drive him nuts
-something he's weirdly into is how he'll put on makeup and by the end of the night it'll be SO fucked up bc of how rough James was with him
-sometimes, if the two of them are drunk enough, they'll have the closest thing to loving, consensual sex they can get to. none of the bondage or violence Marly hates, just a lot of kissing and whispers on James' part, and Marly thinks he can remember why he ever fell in love with this man in the first place
-it's just a very complicated thing for him. some nights, James' touch is all he can think about, other times he just wishes James would look away for once
-during the three-ways with James and Maria, he'll usually be their sub. mostly he just feels bad for her; she's clearly VERY uncomfortable
-he's never had sex with Sarah once. he believes it to be heresy and that he doesn't deserve her, even tho he REALLY wants to do so...
-ok here's a speed round for characters that don't fuck much in the story/haven't appeared yet but i still think about them
-Keppel's favorite thing in the world is sucking cock without a doubt. he's soft when someone's fucking him, but he'll be hard as shit while blowing someone
-he loves drinking cum
-he can switch his genitalia out anytime!
-with a pussy he's a squirter like no other and loves being eaten out
-also he's a fierce power bottom and brat. takes a lot to get him to fully sub for you but... i think William can manage it, no?
-Charles is 100% a pup. he's got the hood and everything
-he also likes to be called 'good girl' and have his asshole referred to as a 'cunt.' curious, curious
-Maria's not that much into BDSM either, but James finds her a lot more receptive when she's drunk or upset. she'll do anything for him in that state
-she's actually fully asexual too and struggles with a lot of guilt when it comes to pleasing the devil ancestors
-Anne Villiers is absolutely a full sub and bottom, she WISHES Hanni would tie her up like he does to William...
-Shrewsbury is an exhibitionist. period full stop he just loves humiliation and having people watch him and degrade him and all that. he might be a sex worker here but i gotta think about that
-Louis loves being gang fucked by a bunch of his nobles and politicians, it's a form of worship to him
-he also has a breastfeeding kink, having given birth to his own kids he likes it when his partners suck milk out of him too
#THIS TOOK TOO LONG....#and it also GOT very long ooops#ooh i think i enjoyed writing the marly stuff a little too much#if you guys have any of ur own headcanons for this.... pls send them.... im always thinking about this AU#six lives won't make you happy#suggestive
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Have more villain Dia stuff bc I just remembered that one scene in the Guardians of Gahoole movie and it would low-key fit this au
Anyways
Yeah so Hau was w Dia now, and yeah Diantha was teaching him abt Mega evolution stuff, and yknow just some soft mother son moments w Dia showing him around Kalos, wearing diguises bc ofc they are, and yeah, heading home they saw Hala, looking for Hau
And just bcmxnx Hala seeing them and he just fucking knows it's Hau, he approaches them, and tried to calmly ask abt Hau, and Dia just smiles at him telling him to follow her, she knows where her grandson is, so he follows them until they're near the Carnet Manor, somewhere secluded, somewhere people don't even know abt, and Dia just turns to him and goes "my, ever so persistent, aren't you? The drive of an Island Kahuna never fails to impress me."
"quiet. I'm here to take Hau back home with me."
"really? Hau, darling, do you wanna go with your grandfather?"
And Hau's just standing there, unsure what to do, and Diantha places a hand on his shoulder, "my boy, you know how it is," and she takes off her own Key Stone, handing it to him, "don't disappoint me now, darling. Let's see how much you improved."
And Hala was feeling confident yknow, his Crabominable's pokeball in hand, and Hau's reaching out for his own Decidueye maybe, and Hala knew he has the type advantage over his Decidueye, one Ice Hammer and that owl is as good as fainted. But.. Hau didn't call out Decidueye.
Hau calls out Alakazam, glaring at Hala, smth he never thought he could ever feel.
"Hau, enough of this. Let's go home."
But Hau just stood there, clutching the Key Stone tight, and breathes out, voice tight and it sounded more mature, unlike the Hau he knew.
"I am home.. I'm not going with you." Then he mega evolves his Alakazam, and Hala calls out his Crabominable, and the two clashed. And ofc, manga typical violence, Hau knocking out three of Hala's Mons w just Alakazam, and it shows how powerful both Mega Evolution is and Hau has become since he last saw him.
And Hau just beating Hala, got him to his knees and he's there looking down on him, the same look Diantha had when she and Leon battled. Snapping his fingers, his Alakazam teleported besides him, then Hau smiled at him, the same carefree smile that Hala always remembered he had. He calls Alakazam back to her pokeball, and he says, "it would be unfair to not let Decidueye have a lil fun too, don't you think?"
And before Hala could react, he heard Decidueye's screech from behind him, and his own Spirit Shackle aimed straight to his chest, killing him, falling down face first to Hau's feet, blood pooling beneath him. And god he looked at Hala's body and he felt nothing. He slowly kicked Hala's hands away, he really was dead, and he felt nothing.
Then he felt Diantha's arm around him, pulling him close to her, "very good, my darling," she whispered, and watched as her own Gengar drag Hala's cold dead body to the afterlife, or to whatever hell like dimension he's in. Looking at Hau, she gave him a smile, "truly befitting for the role of a true Champion."
#the scene im talking abt is that bit where nyra and grimble were fighting hahah#and like grimble got her pinned and looked at kludd all 'what are you waiting for son? this is your chance to go home!'#and kludd looks at nyra who was looking desperately at him and then he looks back at grimble and goes 'i am home' and screeches at him#and he was caught off guard and then yeah he and nyra continue to fight hahah#i havent watched this movie in a long ass while and i still memorize every bit of it💀💀#but yeah hahah#aaa what tags chmdnd#death tw#??#yknow what yeah just send an ask on what other tags i should use hahah#villain diantha au
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smth I find interesting is their differences in like the Definition of murder. like stede didn't directly kill either of the badmintons, but he still thinks of himself as a vicious murderer. but Ed only directly killed ONE person, but indirectly killed soo many ppl, like when Jack says he lit the boat on fire, and he says technically the fire killed those people. my theory is stede hates himself, and has the whole time, so unconsciously he's grasping onto this as a reason for it, and Ed is trying to never think about those people he killed so he doesn't hate himself any more than he has to.... idk I just think its an interesting character detail :-]
the interesting thing to me is that stede did not feel bad At All for "killing" nigel. like he straight up told the elder guy that. the dude asked if he felt bad for killing him and he said Not really, he sucked even as a kid! and figured out that really the reason he felt bad was because he felt inadequate and nigel reminded him he'd abandoned his family (nigel reminding him of this is also how we, the audience, are introduced to the idea that stede left them for piracy) which made him feel guilty about THAT, so what you said about him displacing his self-hatred onto this is pretty accurate.
so he didn't really feel bad about being a murderer. it's why he could leave mind-nigel behind on the shore at the end of that episode. stede isn't as averse to murder as he is to violence, per se. we see in his flashbacks that violence has been associated with masculinity for his whole life, the specific kind of masculinity he's been excluded from, that violence turned on him as a result of his exclusion. also it seems like he just thinks it's gross lol
when chauncey died, it had the same effect: chauncey forced him to remember that he abandoned his family, he didn't really give a shit about chauncey dying, but he remembered what he'd done "to" his family (assuming they were worse off without him) and felt like he needed to resolve that. it had already been on the forefront of his anxieties from learning he had been declared dead, so chauncey just pushed him over the edge, so to speak.
it's telling that when he says "at some point, a man's gotta face the music for the things he's done and the people he's hurt" we get a shot of nigel dying at "the things he's done," a relatively neutral statement, and a shot of his family at "and the people he's hurt," because from his perspective, he really only cares that he (possibly) hurt mary and the kids.
there are some inconsistencies that i hope they explore later, like stede burning that ship of aristocrats alive but looking taken aback when calico jack said ed burned a ship of people alive (with the crew still trapped inside? perhaps that was the difference).
ed's philosophy is harder to parse because we haven't spent as much time with him. he clearly sees violence as monstrous. the only person he's ever killed was his dad, which he did as a last resort to keep his mom safe after his dad was violent, and we don't know for how long that went on. after that he "always outsourced the big job," which seems like a pretty straightforward way to rationalize necessary violence. he didn't skin that guy, fang did. same end, different means.
the fact that he constructed the myth of the kraken around killing his dad is VERY interesting. not only does he outsource actual killing to his crew or other external forces, he took his one true murder and turned it into a horror story he uses to scare people, saying it's the only thing that scared him. it's hard to tell if he genuinely believed in the kraken until stede's fuckery triggered his real memory or if he knew the whole time. either way, he clearly was traumatized by killing his dad and that led him to his current philosophy, whatever the extent of that is.
looking forward to season two, it seems like they're foreshadowing ed dropping this philosophy entirely by not just going back to being blackbeard but declaring himself the kraken, the part of himself he invented to rationalize his one and only murder. which, of course, implies he'll be doing more murdering. we'll see!
#giddy over s2 for real#sorry this was a whole fucking essay but it was an interesting question i've thought a lot about#especially stede's philosophy#i hope we get more direct ed POV next season because this one was very stede and the crew POV which ofc makes sense BUT-#anyway#stede bonnet#edward teach#blackbonnet#ofmd#our flag means death#cricket answers#cricket chirps
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(Sorry I send you so many asks but I love your takes) If Kiyo, Miu, Kiibo and Kokichi created themselves a group about how unfairly treated they are, how do you think it would turn out to be in the game? Those 4 had were little respected by the others and had many reason to actually dislike the rest of the cast. Kiyo was treated like a freak, Miu didn't get the appreciation she deserved, Kiibo never got the respect he deserved and Kokichi just got the short end of the stick even for unfair reasons (I admit there were times when he deserved it).
This is genuienly a very good question!! Things would have been super interesting if these group of characters actually got together considering their circumstances.
So how would they band together exactly? A part of me feels like this would be because of Kiibo's doing.
I think for Kiibo to try and form a group with the outcasts would be self-explanatory considering the dynamics he shares with them in canon.
Firstly, Kiibo actually got to know Miu very well to the point where it could be heavily implied that he got to know her even better than half of the V3 cast.
In ch5 Kiibo also literally tried to talk to Kokichi in hopes that they could peacefully get Kaito back without the other characters resorting to violence against him.
As for Kiyo, I don't remember Kiibo particularly having any genuine opinion on him, but one could assume that he did not have any ill-feelings towards Kiyo before chapter 3.
With that being said, Kiibo is the only character who seemed to be more empathetic for the ones who were dismissed by others.
Then we have Kokichi, and well he is hands down the most self-aware character in the group.
He has called out on the groups hypocrisy many, many times.
But theres one particular thing Kokichi says that I think is very interesting.
So he says this right after Miu dies and I think this is pretty self-explanatory. None of the characters (except for Kiibo) tried to genuienly get to know her. They all avoided her constantly.
But then when shes found dead everyone is now suddendly "sad"? Honestly, its pretty evident that most of the characters here were frustrated that they had to do another class trial.
Now Kokichi here talks about how everyone hated her but not as much as they hate him. He obviously knows the rest of the cast dislikes him which sometimes him being disliked can be reasonable, but it is to the point were he gets constantly dismissed and treated like someone who isn't stuck in the same boat as them.
As verbally reckless Kokichi can be, he has called his classmates out multiple time on their bullshit but of course he gets immedietly shut down when he does so.
While Keebo is the one who tries his very best to understand everyone, Kokichi is the observant one who actively realizes the mistreatment of others.
I think that if Keebo tried to form this group and include Kokichi in it, Kokichi would accept out of curiousity but eventually, he is going to realize how he genuienly needed people to actually accept him for who he is.
(tbh I think he would boast about being the leader of that clique and Miu would be so offended claiming no one could tame her or smth lol)
Kokichi being able to be in a group with people who acknowledge him and his efforts would have pretty much prevented him doing his mastermind plan, thus him and Kaito would've been alive.
The next in the group would be Miu and as brash as she can be at times, she is someone who is genuienly hesitatant and scared to trust others. Which of course is completely understandable considering they are in a killing game.
But I think that Keebo would have helped her be more trusting with other people, or atleast with the group that he would be trying to form.
If Miu wasn't excluded by the main cast and she had a solid friendgroup, that would have inevitably stop her from wanting to kill Kokichi.
I think that she would be the first person to join the group if we look back at her dynamic with Keebo. She would definetly be hesitant to let others join but would eventually give in.
I feel like Kokichi would boast to Kaito and the others about having the ultimate inventor in their group but he would obviously put her down at the same time because hey, it is Kokichi after all.
Miu would be very open about her fears of the killing game with the group, she was open to Kokichi in canon about her fears even when they weren't super close so I think she would be a lot more open about her feelings and that conversation would make the others open up too.
And it would probably make Keebo encourage her that it's okay to be alert but that trusting others is a better way to survive.
And then we have Kiyo who I personally think would be pretty hard including into this bunch considering he was already planning on killing the girls he found fit for his sister.
But theres one thing for certain: Kiyo views everyone as friends.
With that being said, Kiyo would waver between being in the group or just remain being an outsider.
Don't get me wrong, Kiyo suffered a lot of dismissal and injustices by many throughout the game and he seems to be aware of these things too, but I keep thinking about the fact that he was observing intently on who was worthy of being his sisters friend that being in the group could be considered a distraction.
On the contrary to the other 3, Kiyo is so used to being an outsider even before the killing game because of how much his sister tended to isolate him.
Keebo had professor Idahashi, Kokichi had D. I.C.E, and Miu supposedly had a lot of support from people because of her inventions.
Kiyo also doesn't really care for Keebo because he isn't human, he sees Kokichi as an insufrable brat, and well he saw Miu as an exception to be one of his sisters friends... Which is considered a bad thing in his book.
Kiyo could join but not 100% join, maybe he would join as an observer and silently use his views on humanity on them and judge them in both good ways and bad ways.
I think he would still be very greatful with the fact that he was being genuienly included in something. And Kiyo being the killer in ch3 would actually leave an emotional impact on the group, but they would eventually overcome it.
Which in its own way would be good consideirng they would actually care about Korekiyo dying and use his death to move forward.
On a very unrelated note, I feel like Gonta would gradually shift between the "main" group and the outcast group considering he cares about everyone.
But honestly, if these characters weren't excluded at all in the canon storyline sooooo many deaths would have been prevented.
(also im sorry for the late response! I've been pretty busy these past few days)
#danganronpa v3 spoilers#Miu iruma#Kokichi ouma#korekiyo shinguji#kaito mamota#maki harukawa#shuichi saihara#danganronpa v3#danganronpa killing harmony
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Watched Saw 1-3 & thought of smth.. I genuinely believe that Amanda was better of dying in her trap. I don't think that she ever deserved to be there but what John did to her was far worse a fate than death. I genuinely believe that Amanda thinks this too and it's one of the reasons why she rigged her traps in 3 to always kill. I think she believes she shouldve died and that surviving from a saw trap doesn't fix you and is just worse than dying. Maybe thats like what the lore is am I'm just realizing that now but eh.. Just some food for thought ig
HSJDJFNG ok most times when ppl say my fave character should die i would disagree but no like youre right unfortunately. if the only 2 options were for amanda to be groomed by john or die, i think at least towards the end of saw 3 even amanda wishes she had just died back then...
i do think one thing thats very interesting is amandas extreme will to survive yk? she did what barely anyone could; i havent looked at the exact numbers but very few people actually do survive jigsaws games. the fact shes always been so desperate to cling to life is definitely something i think john admired + something he wanted to use for his advantage. also like... thinking about this, her will to live, it makes you think abt her decision to shoot lynn at the end of saw 3. i can think abt it from a few angles but my main ones are "she did believe john + knew they would all die, but couldnt bring herself to risk john knowing what happened. she was acting on a suicidal urge and had essentially given up" vs "she didnt believe john, and the reason she shoots lynn is because shes too terrified of john learning the truth. she'd rather betray him again than possibly face the full wrath of john". honestly i pingpong between these, going back n forth. it really is something im curious about and think about a lot! i do genuinely think she was terrified of john though, and believed if he found out amanda was complicit in gideons death, whatever he did to her would be so much worse than dying.
(side note , im PRETTY sure john knew of amandas involvement in gideons death? at first when i wrote this i was 100 percent sure and now i actually talked myself out of it a bit x_x i was thinking she was picked to play because john knew of her involvement but actually.. i feel like john would have mentioned it in the tape? but idk.. and maybe the trap ripping her mouth open could have had something to do with like.. irony about her asking her ex bf to get the drugs? IDK. these are thoughts fresh off the dome)
ALSO WHAT YOU SAY ABT HER RIGGING..!! is one of my top theories!! i genuinely do think she believed she had been reborn at first, and feverishly devoted herself to john, but i think it only became clearer and clearer to her how fucked up and unfair jigsaws games are. she clearly believed adams involvement was unfair, she was ridden with guilt over it and i think killing him to save him was a main catalyst in her losing herself + her will to live. then you have the gas house, she saw nothing but violence and suffering in there and clearly got a first person POV that no one was getting better, people were only suffering or hurting others. like she saw how close xavier got to winning!? if daniel hadnt killed him he might have actually won! at least in her eyes he didnt grow from this. he was cruel and violent and chose to hurt others when it was never needed. man didnt even do his own trap. 😭 + eric matthews whole shit?? he didnt change. or grow. he was violent and cruel as well. and of course her own personal hatred + fear messed with her in regards to him, hes the reason shes even here yk..?? as fair as amanda knows, jigsaw ONLY targetted her because she was am addict. and she can solely blame eric matthews for that happening. the was she collapses in pain after the fight. i just think amanda was really letting it sink in, just how badly her life was turning out 😓
but yeah basically i think her making her traps unwinnable because she didnt believe anyone actually changes from them (+knowing it can make you worse) is a super compelling theory and i honestly agree. i could honestly see it as an act of mercy on her part. ntm all her traps (iirc) killed their victims instantly, whereas john would leave people to just die of thirst in dark rooms 😐. honestly all amandas traps were pretty kind in that regard 😭
.....also also i DO think amamda had the potential to be rehabilitated even during saw 3 when she was at her most detatched and unhealthy, i know she could have been saved if there was any effort put into it on someones part, but i seriously do not believe that the police department + courts would show her any mercy for being a jigsaw accomplice. like. at all @_@. and i think serving more jail time instead of getting actual mental health aid, would only serve to make her that much more hateful and withdrawn and violent :( its extremely sad imo. amandas story is so compelling to me because at pretty much every turn, if she had just been shown more kindness, is someone had just stepped in sooner, maybe things wouldnt have ended up the way they did :( but no one really cared about her, save for the small kindness that adam showed her in the hallway.. and that was too late 😥
#*wakes up* *recieves saw ask* *goes fucking insane*#text heavy#anon#saw#amanda young#AUAUAUGH AMANDA MOMENTS SHE MAKES ME CRAZED. INSANE EVEN#also in regards to u wondering if what u said is canon lore: saw canon lore is so wishy washy + we never get anything super concrete -#in regards to amandas motives? like theres the implication hoffman had a lot more to do with her 'rigging' in the later movies#even to the point of him possibly framing her abt it 😐 (we see him tinkering with the angel trap)#ntm we dont know if amanda truly believes what shes saying in the 'fix me motherfucker' scene#or if shes just lashing out in fear and anger.#i think it's both honestly.. i think shes had strong doubts abt jigsaws whole belief#plus her crying out that shes just a pawn#i think she said that because shes scared its true#she maybe even partially believes it.. but mainly think she was voicing her own fears in hopes that they could be disproven#LIKE CLEARLY SHE WAS BEING MANIPULATED AND GROOMED... but i think she was desperately clinging onto the hope that john would -#accept her and love her despite anything she had done#and when i say love i mean paternally @_@. i think she saw a violent man and went 'yay new dad' ! and got so fucking traumatized#asks#LONG POST#im sorry i havent thought much abt saw the past week and this bursted the freaking dam
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Hey dude, hope you feel better soon. Answer this anytime you want (or if you don't want to, feel free to ignore), how do you think canon events would change if Geto and Gojo had succeeded in saving Rika Amanai from both the Merger and Toji? Like, idk, maybe they pop the question at the beach instead of at Jujutsu High, Rika agrees and they whisk her away to somewhere else and Toji's plan fails spectacularly. Or smth.
Hello <3
I’m doing a little better. Thank you!
Sorry for taking so long to answer, but I wanted to take my time to think in this question.
Little disclaimer:
I’m my profession (historian) we tend to dismiss counterfactual stories because are a trap. Is not possible to know which event is the “key” event, due the relation between processes and events. Even if you try to separate both, end up being impossible. Is the same for persons or characters, how much is their own agency and how much is the result of circumstance? How much is their individuality and how much are the result of structures? It delivers you to a dead end of infinite questions.
However, counterfactual stories are a good exercise to considerer the relevance of an event and to understand the event itself. So, is not possible to write a satisfactory counterfactual story but is an interesting exercise to think in a particular event. I believe your question is more inclined to be an exercise, but I did this little disclaimer because I won’t answer this question with some kind alternative universe where Riko doesn’t die that would be like writing a fanfic rather an analysis.
I will answer which I believe most probably but this doesn’t mean I’m dismissing others possibilities.
How relevant is Riko’s death as an isolated event?
In order to change “destiny” (I’m using this concept to follow the explanatory line of Tengen) How relevant is Riko’s death as an insolated event? In other words, If Riko wouldn’t die Shibuya wouldn’t happened? My answer is: probably no.
If they asked her in the beach meaning the never went to the Tombs of Stars Corridor, that would save her? Probably o. Toji is still there haunting from the shadows. For how long you can keep her save? Toji only needs one distraction to kill her. Even if the merge never happens there is no guaranteed that those who wanted to kill her would stop their intentions. As long as she lives there is chance of merge for them.
What can save Riko? Toji’s death? He needs to show himself in order to be a target for Satoru. He can kill her before he gets kill by Satoru (as we saw).
Tengen says that Toji destroyed the “destiny”, everything seems to be consequences of his actions. What if Toji never existed? Things would be different? My answer is: probably no. Toji is the consequence of the violence of Jujutsu society’s structures. If wouldn’t be Toji, someone with other name probably would have lived a similar life. Because oppression can’t last without creating conditions of its own destruction. About this (if you an interest) I have a post.
Now, let’s consider Suguru’s downfall. If Riko wouldn’t have died, he wouldn’t fall in disgrace? My answer is: probably no. Riko and Haibara’s death are the tragedies he went trough in that time, but there are more potential tragedies that could have happened in his life. To prove this point I will take Haibara’s death as example. He died during his mission and his death is not relevant for Jujutsu society because is something that tends to happened. Haibara is one of many others students who died before graduate. Is one of many sorcerers that die in mission. If Haibara wouldn’t have die, someone else would eventually die in Suguru’s life and this is just statistics. If there is a number of deaths (significant or not) between students and sorcerers per year there is a high chance that some of those deaths are significant to Suguru. Riko and Haibara life don’t necessarily save Suguru from falling down. Because his fell is consequences of his impossibility to reconcile his ideals with the jujutsu machine (how jujutsu society work) and his impossibility to process in a healthy way the tragedy and the contradictions inside of him due ideals/reality. This last aspect as the result of him being too young and the lack of guidance to help him go through this. In summary, his down fall is a mix of subjectivity and circumstance. You can think circumstances as scenarios, you change one to other, but what is most probably to happen is the scheme of those scenarios are the same from one case to other (from one universe to other).
It’s possible to prevent Shibuya?
I will try to clear this up. To Shibuya to happen we need three majors’ “events”:
Riko not merging with Tengen.
Toji’s existences.
Suguru’s downfall.
Saving Riko or not is kind of the same for Kenjaku because he only needs the merge to not happen. Even if Satoru saves Riko and kills Toji, Kenjaku can kill her by themselves when all them let the guard down thinking the threat is over.
If someone with the name of Toji never existed, maybe someone with other name and would have a similar life. Maki is the example of this, but she didn’t follow Toji’s path because she has a different subjectivity and this is the reason, I use the “probably no” and I don’t give a certain answer. (this is what I meant when I said counterfactual stories are a trap).
Suguru’s downfall can still happen for different circumstances and in a different time.
Shibuya’s accident can be avoided at all? No, surely it can, but majors’ changes need to happened before the event.
Maybe if Riko was saved and she rejected merging with Tengen- and this one refused her rejection- Satoru and Suguru would be outcast from Jujutsu society leaving everyone is a poorly position to deal with Kenjaku.
I’m sorry for this crazy long answer. I hope it makes some senses and won’t be too fastidious to read. If you read until the end, you deserve heaven ♥
#jjk reply#jujutsu kaisen meta#riko amanai#suguru geto#toji fushiguro#tengen#satoru gojo#kenjaku#jjk meta
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Okay, 1. I forgot what a good film School of Rock is, and 2. Who the fuck made Wednesdays a day I have to get up at 5am, oh god
Also the ASM is gonna be a dick about me taking today off cs I'm sick, I just fuckin know it
Every time someone's been off sick he goes on rants about how they're lying to get a day off (or smth like, oh, isn't it a coincidence that today's really busy in store and the student who has mental deadlines took a day off - like, fuck, idk, maybe, but you don't have to be a twat every second of your life, do you? Maybe he does, idk. Seems like it), and his mother never took a day off from the post office in 40 years and the store should come first and we've been left in the lurch and blah blah blah
Maybe we have been "left in the lurch", but it's one day out of literally a thousand, but y'know we aren't all your mother, and people are fucking entitled to call in sick?! People shouldn't have to work when they're sick! Idk laws, but there's definitely laws
For how much longer, idk, but there's definitely laws
Also, people are allowed to have an actual life, y'know - just cs you are somehow proud of working 50 hours a week - which you also shouldn't have to do, by the way, working yourself to death isn't something to be proud of - dun mean that everyone else has to go by your impossible fuckin "million pound store" standards
Also I hate his stupid slogans
I do not care how much money the store makes, it goes to whoever the fucking CEO is since the last guy got kicked out for embezzling, not me - I'm not going to "smash it", either, I'm going to stand here security bugging t-shirts until I am allowed to go home, and don't fucking get on at me about how I'm yawning too much, I get enough of that from the horrid fucking old men customers
Also he calls us "staff" all the time, there's like five of us (there's not, but still), there's no fucking need
Also whenever some customer says like, oh you're not Scouse, he always replies in the exact same way, "I'm a London boy, me" - which like, I'm autistic, I know a script, but fuck me I just hate everything about this petty little man, I'm sorry. How can you be that proud of being a Millwall supporter? Oh, "we're not all the same", nah, you mightn't be a violent thug, that I know of, but you're sure as fuck a sanctimonious little cunt tryna lord your horrid self over everyone else - mightn't be violence, but it's not fuckin nice either
Anyway. Fuck.
Oh thank fuck I don't have to open with him tomorrow
Just the wet-noodle muppet of a manager who's somehow really fucking good at making me do extra days and stay late
He knows I have no backbone in person so he just waits until it's an hour before my shift ends and goes "really sorry, it's really busy, can you stay til close? Please it would really help"
The one time I said no, literally the one time in over 4 years, he asked again like half an hour later with an extra-pathetic noodle-y pleeease we haven't got anyone else
Like that's your fucking fault, dipshit, you fucking hired everyone. Hire someone who's not a fucking student, please, I swear it won't kill you. Y'know what else won't fucking kill you, having enough people on staff that it's not the end of the fucking world somehow if someone calls in sick. Lean staffing or whatever it's called is the worst, what fuckwit came up with all this awful shit and how can we stop it, please
But of course I said yes, because I always say yes
Tomorrow I'm rota'd til 4 and I'm leaving at 4, I swear to god
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I'm sorry for an ask like this but I really want to find one particular post, and it seems to me that it might have been yours
It's something about why kinslayings are even count as so bad a thing, if I remember right. Which I might not
And there was something "elves are generally more good then people (we)" . Like, it's much less common for them to kill/rape/smth else each other
don't apologise for a very normal question! It's fine! Answering this now because I don't like to cause unnecessary anxiety, sorry about the unanswered asks in inbox everyone else but i do this for fun after all.
hmmmm doesn't sound familiar, or like something I would say! I think I might have said that it seems like the elves judge kinslayings very severely while not showing the same response to state-sanctioned 'lawful' violence (cf Gondolin execution cliff), as well as killing mortals (Gondolin door policy for mortals seems to involve killing them, Nargothrond door policy if mortal stranger and yes during Finrod's rule-- Beren has to wave ring around to avoid being killed). The value attached to the death of an elf, especially if one not considered lawful-- seems much greater than that attached to the death of a mortal (human or dwarf). I think this attitude does slowly change by the end of the first age when you can see attitude to humans change overall, maybe in part due to playing a role in Ulmo's prophecy as much as prolonged contact with Edain, valiance shown by many mortal heroes etc. It 'deeds of lust’ being rare is something Tolkien wrote himself; he also wrote no elf ever willingly entered into the service of Morgoth, which is perhaps what you meant? As for killing, well, there is a reason why the kinslayings are such plot points; for them to be they need to be rare, at least in scale. Unlawful killing another elf was not accepted.
We get 'Even when in after days, as the histories reveal, many of the Eldar in Middle-earth became corrupted, and their hearts darkened by the shadow that lies upon Arda, seldom is any tale told of deeds of lust among them.' in LaCE.
However, there is a specific quote that is often misread as saying it was impossible for an elf to rape according to LaCE, or that the victim autmatically died. That is not what it says imo.
Misreading annoys me even if I hate the text lol so I will discuss it shortly. trigger warning for obvious reasons.
Laws and Customs;
'The Eldar wedded once for all. Many, as the histories reveal, could become estranged from good, for nothing can wholly escape from the evil shadow that lies upon Arda. Some fell into pride, and self-will, and could be guilty of deeds of malice, enmity, greed and jealousy.
But among all these evils there is no record of any among the Elves that took another's spouse by force; for this was wholly against their nature, and one so forced would have rejected bodily life and passed to Mandos. Guile or trickery in this matter was scarcely possible (even if it could be thought that any Elf would purpose to use it); for the Eldar can read at once in the eyes and voice of another whether they be wed or unwed."
Now, in the 1959-1960 version of Aredhel's story it says "the sister of King Turgon, astray in the wild near his dwelling, and he took her to wife by force: a very wicked deed in the eyes of the Eldar."
Sites like tolkiengateway state this was changed in the Silm to 'not wholly unwilling' because it contradicts the (1950s) Laws and Customs-- but if you actually look at the paragraph usually referred to you'll notice it explicitly says 'another's spouse' who would then die which is not the same as 'never under any circumstances' -- it is against their nature to do this to someone already married, which is apparently visible in the eyes (uh, oh well. You know. Tolkien). It is also specifically about another's spouse. Make of that what you will. The Arien and Morgoth interaction cited on tkgateway seems entirely irrelevant because a maia has a very different relation to a fana than an incarnate to a body to start with.
Either way, his means neither Eol's actions nor Celegorm's intention to force Luthien into marriage (not simply lust motivated but with the intent to bind Thingol to them, I can find that quote for you if needed) contradict LaCE at all.
UNLESS I'm overlooking yet another LaCE quote used to defend the rape = death reading, which uhm. Is possible. Given the maze that is Tolkien's assorted napkin scribbles as collected by his son.
In my opinion Eol's abusive nature and basically trapping her in Nan Elmoth read as... genuinely not much better wrt the "wholly unwilling" narrative despite the lack of force-- if anything the Silm version where Tolkien tried to remove more graphic implied action feels like it makes Aredhel complicit in her role as a victim in some way to me, but that's personal. I strongly dislike and am uncomfortable with the way the narrative handles Aredhel as a whole-- and I'm not even touching the can of worms that are the way Tolkien wrote Maeglin and Eol. That aside.
Either we are told in the force version that it would be regarded as a 'very wicked deed' i.e. absolutely taboo, and uncommon (again ugh sorry about not being able to locate the quote; am sleepy lol), as was a random murder spree.
The Eldar had laws about what consituted 'lawful killing' which is hinted at in a footnote on why Curufin did not kill Eol (was unlawful under those circumstances at the time), which makes sense given that the relatives of murdered elves have very long memories and will be around forever.
Severe crimes simply do not fade over time or become forgotten when everyone involved has relatives who remember and live on and on and on. This makes laws about things like death very important, and provides a strong motivation to follow them other than 'well elves are by nature Better' though tolkien did pretty much write that in many ways.
Hopefully this made sense! sorry if not am in the middle of trying to work an engraving laser and sleepy lol, feel free to debate in the replies.
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