#the way i view them isn't affected at ALL by what the showrunners say is my point lol

[bisexualcroissant]

it's so funny to me because the showrunners will be like yeah no they do love each other, but it's not gay, it's just friendship

meanwhile the animators are fully sharing memes about them being boyfriends, saying shit like "jayce has a preference for viktor" and viktor's the one he really loves, and that's why the scene kept cutting back to him when jayce was doing it with mel…

I don’t know about you but this scene to me is Jayce realizing that he loved Viktor, especially with him being in Mel’s makeup

edit: l just checked to see if they were actually canon (l know l was setting myself up for disappointment) and they aren’t, l watched a video of the creators saying that they love each other but they are not gay, they are just friends. My question is if that is true why do things like this. It was a choice to make scenes like this, why did you give me hope??? Like what the fuck was the point then?? Anyway sorry for the rant

concussion:

[matt-the-radar-techncian]

With how things actually ended I think I am seriously thinking Steven not forgiven Rose at all feels like a subversion to the trope where the protagonist forgive their parent for their misdeeds and I think that has been quite been done a lot and Steven only acknowledging the bad of rose not forgiving her is a refresher or something even if it kind of rubs some people the wrong way because it's unfair or it feels kind of weird after seeing different characters from other Media be forgiven or a kind of a slap on the wrist for worse things they did to everyone that's makes Rose kind of look like a saint.

But then again it goes back to her being dead and the other characters in question are alive or the way their backstories and what they went through are told view them in a sympathetic light. The only other character who I can think were the protagonist ends up hating their parent is Eren Yeager with his dad Grisha Yaeger from attack on Titan with Eren not saying anything nice about his father when talking to Zeke in the memories and making him kill the Royal family but I think that's probably extremely complicated right there because of the fact Grisha didn't want to kill the younger royal family members as well living behind the Walls changed him and Eren hated his father showing Mercy to the people who don't give a damn about their people who been demonize so heavily to the point where the entire world thinks that they are devils on Earth because of what their ancestors did. Basically the sins of the ancestors (which is kind of like what happened with Rose and her decisions affecting everyone? I don't know about this comparison but I guess it's interesting) and it's kill or be killed.

The idea that Steven not completely "forgiving" his mom and still having some negative feelings regarding her at the end of the story actually being a subversion and not just lazy or bad writing isn't one I've seen a lot, but it does make a lot of sense. It strikes me as something the showrunners might've done to make the story seem more grounded and realistic, since not everyone is just gonna be completely fine with everything a dead parent left them with, especially if it's someone who's been through as much as Steven has

And it's funny you mention Attack on Titan here since I've actually talked about Eren and his father while comparing them to Rose's story once before. The biggest difference for this discussion is that the story never really involves Eren "forgiving" his father at all. He doesn't particularly blame Grisha for everything that has happened to him in his life, it's more that he just thinks that the state of the entire world is fundamentally wrong and can't be saved, so the only choice he sees is to kill everyone else. The scene of Eren telling his father to kill the royal family isn't out of hatred for his father or a desire to traumatize him; the royal family has to be killed in order for events to happen the way Eren has forseen them (using Attack Titan's power to see the future). It's left ambiguous whether the future events can be changed or are predestined to happen but that's not really the point

The situation with Rose and Steven is somewhat different than that of a lot of other well-known dead/absent fathers in anime. A lot of times its either you start off thinking they're bad but they turn out to actually be pretty sympathetic (Grisha from Attack on Titan, van Hoenheim from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood) or even worse than you thought (Gendo Ikari from Evangelion, Charles zi Britannia from Code Geass). Meanwhile, Rose is originally introduced as loving and flawless, but soon we (and Steven) see that she's not as perfect as we thought and did some questionable things in the past. But the difference is Rose isn't around anymore to right any of those wrongs, and Steven and the other characters are the ones who have to deal with what she left behind (Steven says exactly this to the fake Rose in the episode "Storm in the Room"). And since Rose can't do anything to solve the problems of the present, (and wasn't given more screentime in flashbacks to explore her morals) people (wrongly!) assume that the show is saying that she was totally in the wrong (which it isn't)

[samlovesfurrs]

I understand several of the points mentioned, I think they are mostly correct, But I also think that we need to see things from another perspective.

From the beginning of the episode I think they're trying to tell you what Dozer feels about Ton-Ton's incredibly hyperactive attitude. Ton-Ton is so an annoying character, he's one of my favorite characters but I have to admit, he's unbearable in most episodes.

Dozer seems to want a moment of peace, which is interrupted by Ton-Ton. From this moment I suppose the "problem" of the episode is established, Ton-Ton does not stop bothering Dozer.

I really think that the problem that Dozer has about being locked in a garage for an inexact amount of time, is mainly caused by Ton-Ton. If I remember correctly, he was telling Ty that, he was upset about being locked in there with Ton-Ton.

In many episodes Dozer is seen to really enjoy the company of his friends, so I don't think Dozer feels uncomfortable about being locked up with them, He looks uncomfortable more because of the fact that Ton-Ton bothers him almost all the time, and he moves away from the others because almost from the beginning of the episode he was looking to relax for a while.

And I don't think Ty should be blamed for not seeming to care. To a certain extent I understand it, but you also have to see things from another point of view. Ty initially tries to get Ton-Ton to stay away from Dozer and stop bothering him, all good with that. But Dozer isn't the only one having problems, probably not only Dozer must have felt stressed at that moment, Ty in one part of the episode refuses to eat to leave more food for the others, Revvit worries and tells him that he needs to eat, Ty hasn't eaten for quite some time, this evidently affects Ty in several ways, to make such a decision he must be very concerned about the situation they are, this obviously causes stress in him, he is risking his own health for his friends. Ty must have been going through a rough time too, Ty isn't ignoring Dozer's problems, it's just that he was going through something difficult too. And just in case, I'm not saying that Dozer's problems aren't important, both problems can happen at the same time and both are totally valid. But there really isn't much they can do for Dozer, Ty tries to help him by driving Ton-Ton away, but Ton-Ton does not cooperate in this (And I really think this is a huge failure of the writers, in this specific episode for some reason they wanted to make him so apathetic and annoying just to annoy Dozer, because in no other episode does it become this annoying).

And I understand what Dozer is feeling at those moments, but I also understand why they blame Dozer for getting angry with Ton-Ton. The point here is, any problem of this style, in this case anger issues, DOES NOT justify violence, attacking Ton-Ton was an impulse of desperation and anger, Ty intervenes because the physical damage can lead to severe injuries, especially considering how strong Dozer is. No matter how upset Dozer was or how unbearable Ton-Ton was, It was no reason to attack him like that and much less justify it, Dozer has problems and that's obvious, but he has to work on them (which he does, in later episodes it is seen that he controls it much better).

Wanting to leave the Garage is a very risky impulse for Dozer, Ty gets upset with him because Dozer is already an adult, it is completely understandable that he does not control his anger sometimes, but he also have to understand that his friends don't have to solve all that, Dozer is a very responsible Dinotrux, you can understand why he did what he did at that time, but it doesn't justify it.

I don't feel it's necessary to put a headcanon about his age in the review. There is no estimate of their ages, because there is no information to suggest a more accurate age. But if we want to have some reference, the only thing that is known was because of David Kidd (Showrunner of the show) who said that at least the main gang are young adults. Sorry if this comes across as offensive, I don't mean it to be, I just want to share my opinion in a respectful and friendly manner. I like headcanons but in this kind of things I feel it is better to avoid them so not to create confusion.

And with the last point, I completely understand how you must feel when you identify with Dozer, I hope you are better, I have my own problems and I understand how you feel. But I think we shouldn't let ourselves be influenced too much by what we feel, I mean, I'm not saying that we feel it doesn't matter, but it does affect quite a bit how we see and analyze things. I am a very conformist person and I really only like to see my own opinion, but I fully recognize that it is always best to see everything from different perspectives.

I love Dinotrux, it's my favorite show, I've been watching it since 2015-2016, But I have to admit that in terms of the script, it's terrible, Dinotrux is full of nonsense, inconsistencies, the episodes are not cohesive at all, the development they give to the characters most of the time is terrible (Especially with Ton-Ton, Revvit and Skya). The show has a lot of errors, especially with this episode.

But I think the ending makes it clear what happens to Dozer, he is someone who appears to be "lonely and tough", But he isn't, throughout the show, Dozer proves to be a kind and big-hearted Dinotrux, from the moment Dozer opens up more to Ton-Ton about what he feels, Ton-Ton seems to understand him more. because Dozer in other episodes besides this one, cares a lot about Ton-Ton. Even Ton-Ton in other episode calls him "his best dude", their relationship is very cute, I personally think the writters wanted to give them a little more development as friends, but for one reason or another, they didn't do it, but it would have been great if they had done that.

And at the end of the episode Dozer looks much happier, mainly because what he needed was to open up to Ton-Ton so that he could understand how he feels. If I remember correctly, he even tells Ton-Ton that he will let him jumping and stuff like that as long as he wants, or something like that.

They both have a special affection for each other, it's a shame that due to the poor writing of the show, this is eliminated or ignored in some episodes. On many occasions, what the characters learn in one episode, they completely forget in another.

This episode is my favorite of the second season, I'm glad someone talked about it.

Sorry if I wrote something wrong, english is not my language, but I try to do it well, have a nice day, afternoon or evening 🫶🏻

Me talking about the only Dinotrux episode that REALLY pissed me off & why i hate it

Dinotrux is really good at handling mature concepts. I was pleasantly surprised with it and i love it so, so, so much. As good as Dinotrux is at reflecting personal problems that the characters have, there is just this one episode, Sandstorm.

God, i hate it.

Never thought i would say that about a Dinotrux episode, but sweet jesus, this episode pissed me off. Now i'm not the type to explicitly slander or hate on something, especially if its about Dinotrux, so this is gonna be an honest review.

Problem 1: Dozer is NOT comfortable in the entire episode & no one cares

(Dozer when he hears for the first time he will be stuck in the garage for days in the picture below)

The first thing i noticed was that Dozer specifically wasnt comfortable with the idea of being in the garage for days. Everyone else was like "okay, we are gonna be locked in this house where we can barely drive a circle, with 4 dinotrux and 4 reptools, thats okay", but Dozer is not only not comfortable with that idea (and he seems to be the only one) he also distances himself from everyone, he mostly sleeps, he just wants to be alone. Its important to note that Dozeratops are naturally herd trux - so they usually live, sleep, eat and drive around in a group. Dozer shows multiple signs of being straight up uncomfortable. But NO. ONE. CARES!!! No one gives a shit and cant seem to regocnize some obvious signs, Ty doesnt even question anything...

WHEN DOZER LITERALLY ALMOST HAS A PANIC ATTACK!!!

Ty asks Dozer if he's okay, to wich Dozer wants to respond, but he literally starts panting and breathing heavily before actually responding, thats how stressed he is! Can you believe it!? Then he almost says his frustrations out, but Ton Ton interrupts them, Ty understands Dozer and he takes Ton Ton to play a game so that he leaves Dozer alone, but through the episode Ton Ton continues to annoy Dozer, and he is aware of it. Ton Ton knows that what he is doing annoys Dozer.

Problem 2: everyone blames Dozer for getting angry at Ton Ton, even though Ton Ton literally annoys Dozer thoughout the ENTIRE fucking episode

(Another pic of Dozer being stressed & everyone is around him but no one cares)

Now heres the most frustrating thing about this. Ton Ton is aware, but so is Dozer. Ton Ton knows that hes pissing Dozer off and he is pushing Dozers buttons of purpose. But Dozer is intelligent. He has at this point been working on his anger, and he almost lashes out to Ton Ton, TWICE, but keeps it in, because he knows everything will only get worse if he gets angry.

Dozer is actually such a saint. Being stuck with his friends in the garage, getting super uncomfortable and stressed, one person keeps pissing him off but no one cares, he is very stressed, almost has a panic attack and is straight up not comfortable but no one cares, keeps his anger (wich he already struggles with) in bc he knows itll only make things worse but no one cares, and when he finally does lash out... he gets blamed.

Seriously, i hated it. I hated it so fricking much. I hated how Ty didnt look at the meaning of the fight like he usually does, for context, Dozer eventually lashes out, looses his cool and attacks Ton Ton, they have a physical fight and Ty jumps in and pulls them apart. Now Ty knows Ton Ton has been getting on Dozers nerves, alright? He saw how annoyed Dozer was by Ton Ton.

And yet, he tells Dozer to back off.

Wow.

And one sequence later, after Dozer literally tries to escape the garage, Ty tells him: "Don't make me roar again."

TY, FUCK OFF. IF YOU ACTUALLY PAYED ATTENTION AND WERE ABLE TO NOTICE SOME OBVIOUS SIGNS THEN MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE PICKED UP ON THE FACT THAT TON TON WAS AN ANNOYING SHIT THAT KEPT PUSHING DOZER. TY I LOVE YOU BUT I HATED THIS WITH MY ALL.

3. Dozer isnt praised whatsoever for keeping his cool

This i dont just hate, i dont understand it. As i said Dozer has anger / agression problems for a long time now (Dozer is approximately 27 - 28). So being able to keep his cool like that twice is a great job. But yeah, i have to say it again, because it in fact does happen in this episode: NO. ONE. CARES.

4. It hits me on a personal level

In this episode i felt even more how Dozer feels. I strongly relate to Dozer. If u didnt know, i used to have anger and agression problems too, i was very explosive, and i have spent a long time in a center where no one listened to me, and if i lashed out and i got angry after trying to keep calm, i was blamed, i was locked up, and i was told to stop yelling, no one asked me if i was okay, i had no say about my care plan and i was just a kid. I think thats the biggest reason of my dislike for this episode - i know how Dozer feels, i know how it feels if no one, even your best friends, dont listen to you, how it feels if no one cares that you are clearly uncomfortable, stressed or scared. I know how that feels. I do.

And trust me when i say: It really hurts.

This episode overall just SUCKED. I felt terrible for Dozer throughout the whole thing. So yeah, this was my honest review of the only Dinotrux episode i truly hate ☹️ so yeah byeeee

[sytokun]

I'd like to add onto this that Georden's (Nomad of Nowhere's creator) account of how RT treated him and his show is really, really similar-sounding to some portions in Shane's letter. Shane may not be Monty, but people like to underplay his significance as Monty's protege and friend who's privy to a lot RWBY's production.

After years of hearing RWBY stans fall over each other taking bullets for RT, they're just as happy to discount and throw Shane under the bus, even though he was just as much a part of CRWBY as anyone.

Everything this company touches is not exempt from being cannibalised for their own profit. I've little doubt that RT had no qualms fucking RWBY over the same way they'd do to Nomad of Nowhere later - Monty was just too high profile for them to touch.

But of course they had a field day to do whatever they wanted after the lead showrunner was gone, and they have the nice bonus of shielding themselves from all critique by touting themselves as the stewards of a legacy - even with a catchy "keep moving forward" quote they can beat people over the head with every few Volumes - which fans will always give them the benefit of the doubt regardless of the quality of the show.

And I'm not saying this as if they wanted to be evil about it and were just rubbing their hands in a dark room about how to butcher RWBY - which is the kind of overly simplistic, childish view I'd expect from a hardcore stan - but hey, they gotta make a profit, right? They have to steer this RWBY ship and have free rein now, and this Shane guy, he's just making too much noise about how they do things and delaying production, and what would Sheena know about running a show anyway? Figuring all this shit out would have made RWBY miss its yearly deadline, and that would disappoint the fans so much, now wouldn't it?

And that's the best part, isn't it? If they wanted to change anything, the fans will defend it just on principle, not because they actually care if these changes were good or authentic.

We trusted this company and handed them this goodwill on a silver platter, so why oh why would they refuse such an tragic but convenient PR shield? It's the shield that's kept RWBY afloat for more than 7 years now. It's why its infamous fandom has one of the most bleeding heart, infantile, anti-criticism mindsets you'd find anywhere. Because you're not just calling the show badly-written, you're spitting on Monty's work, and the brave and noble people continuing his legacy.

That's why people are still going "RWBY/CRWBY are innocent and RT is bad" even after all dirty laundry is out. They don't want to confront the idea that a company they loved is so chronically steeped in its own capitalist goals that they would mangle and weaponise a now dead creator's work to make a profit - though given how they treated Georden, it really made no difference to RT whether the creator was dead or alive, it was all assets on a sheet and profits to dole out.

It's an immensely tough pill to swallow, but to not acknowledge it is to shield these shitheads even further. I'm not saying individuals in RT weren't affected by Monty's death, but at the end of the day, RT were not and never were going to give RWBY the care and time it deserved. They were never going to do what Arcane's creators did and spend 6 years perfecting just one season and its entire direction. Why do that, when their fans are already prepared to give them every award they didn't earn?

I wish, I fucking wish RWBY was blessed with the same time and passion that Arcane was blessed with. And RWBY has those people, it has many of those passionate people more than willing to put in the time to make it the absolute best fucking show they'd ever make. But those people do not call the shots, and were actively stopped from doing so by this shit fucking company.

Fuck. Rooster Teeth. Fuck 'em for screwing over creators, killing their dreams in the crib and then saying they saved them. And it fucks me up as part of this fandom that we still defend them.

You know what, let's just say it. There won't be a more appropriate time until Rooster Teeth finally goes under, so we might as well.

No, Rooster Teeth were not committed to Monty's vision. They never were, they never have been.

Accept that. Internalize that. Hold them accountable for that.

An employee came out as early as 2016 with serious accusations regarding the way Monty and his family were treated in life and after his death. It was a cold, callous thing of much of the RWBY fandom to dismiss him as a liar then, and it continues to look worse now.

The issue isn't gray. It isn't ambiguous or up in the air. Employee after employee has come out to tell about how Rooster Teeth is an awful work environment that treats its employees like shit. Georden Whitman and Gray Haddock, two show creators, have had much ill to say about how they were treated, and we've had explicit talks about how works were taken away from writers and show creators and made into something Rooster Teeth wanted, with the justification that "controversy is good".

How many of these ex-employees all saying the same things are liars? How far will you go to cling to RWBY as told by Rooster Teeth? How much are you going to watch happen while accusing anyone who acknowledges this history of weaponizing a dead man's legacy? Because the reality is that Rooster Teeth use that legacy like a shield and rely on you to prop it up.

Every single scandal that emerges about this company is another proof of your character. Either you care about the employees, or you're fake. It's not that complex.