#real robot mecha

[zazagundam]

ZETA GUNDAM // RG

[world-of-lang]

[yodawgiheardyoulikemecha]

Just noticed this reply to an old post, and why are people still posting this "Eastern Mecha vs Western Mecha" bullshit?

The very foundation of the concept is simply racist (Eastern = fantastical & irrational, Western = realistic & practical) which should be reason enough to never use it.

In addition, when you look at the definitions of these terms, it becomes clear that they are being used as synonyms for the Super Robot/Real Robot categorization widely used to discuss mecha media without an inherently racist framing.

And finally, the discourse around these terms is so asinine that it should insult the intelligence of any self-respecting mecha fan. Peruse any discussion of these terms, and you'll find Japanese anime like Macross and Dougram being cited, in complete sincerity, as paragons of "Western Mecha".

[bunnygirlism]

Mecha Engie for the soul

[t-annuki]

Guess who has new brushes! :D Man I love Real Steel so much,hope Disney don't screw it in the new upcoming serie

[kainekillinggod]

half the "robots" I see in the robotsona tag are just androids. Like.

Robots are blocky and chunky, with piping and *occasionally* rounder parts. The shit with the silicone and soft shit and locked up wires, with the almost human bodies and a mediocre screen for a face?? That's just an Android bro.

The computer/tv heads are a completely different field don't even get me started on those guys, they're only minimally related for reals.

[wanderersrest]

G Gundam Prelude: The Real Robot vs Super Robot Debate

So before I begin talking about Mobile Fighter G Gundam, I'd like to take a minute to preface that conversation with a companion piece of sorts. This involves the nature of how the mecha "genre" of anime is divided into two subgenres, and how this subdivision (*synth and bass solo play at the same time*) is often used as a sort of dick-measuring contest by fans to argue that their preferred genre is better than the other.

Tetsujin 28-go, Mazinger Z, and the "Super Robot"

To understand the two sub-genres, we first need to understand the general history of the mecha. Technically speaking, our story really starts with Osamu Tezuka's Mighty Atom (Astro Boy in the west), but the giant robot style of mecha would not appear in earnest until Mitsuteru Yokoyama's Tetsujin 28-go (Gigantor in the west) and Go Nagai's Mazinger Z. Tetsujin and Mazinger would go on to codify a lot of the tropes common to a lot of these early robot series alone. If it wasn't either of those two, chances are likely Ken Ishikawa's Getter Robo will have you covered.

These so-called "Super Robots" were known for their superhero-like power sets. They were usually powered by either nuclear power or a fictional power source such as Photon Energy or Getter Rays. Almost every single robot in these stories were made with some sort of Super Alloy (or Chogokin), and each super robot had a whole arsenal of weapons, including but not limited to swords, axes, drills, lasers, and, of course, the rocket punch. These super robot series would dominate a lot of Japanese television for most of the 70's. But behind the scenes, one man would be forging his own path. And at the end of the decade, he would release a show that would turn the canon of mecha stories on its head.

Gundam, VOTOMs, and the "Real Robot"

In 1979, the anime series Mobile Suit Gundam would air on Japanese television for the first time. This is one of the many mecha series directed by anime legend Yoshiyuki Tomino, and follows a direct lineage from his other works such as Brave Raideen, Zambot 3, and Daitarn 3. Gundam, however, would herald a new style of mecha stories thanks in part to it ditching a lot of the more fantastical elements of its "super robot" forebears in favor of a more grounded war story. These would be the so-called "real robot" style of mecha stories, and would further be codified by Ryousuke Takahashi's first two series, Fang of the Sun Dougram and Armored Trooper VOTOMs.

The "real robots" were a hard departure from their super robot brethren in that they were grounded in reality. Gone were the super alloys and the fantastical weapons, which were now replaced with weapons similar to that of a modern military. More importantly, the stories were now about wars, not with aliens as the antagonist, but other people. Humans. These stories would dominate a lot of the 80's, though the more traditional robots of the 70's would still be around as well.

There's just one problem with the term "Real Robot." The realism doesn't come from the machines themselves.

The Realism of Really Real Robots (It's Not What You Think It Is)

(Wanderer Not Mention Patlabor Speed Run [IMPOSSIBLE])

One of the issues with the term "real robots" is the fact that the realism in most "real robot" shows does not necessarily come from the robots themselves. Take blog favorite Patlabor, for example. Part of what makes the Labors as realistic as they are is not necessarily due to the imagined mechanics behind these machines. It's how the existence of these giant machines changes the lives of the characters. It's little things like how having a special police division that's devoted to Labor crimes is a bit of a money pit, or how SV2 has constant insurance problems due to the fact that Division 2, even in their best moments, are just as destructive as the people they're supposed to stop.

Or take the original "real robot" series, Mobile Suit Gundam. The realism does not lie in the design of the RX-78-2 Gundam. The realism comes from the One Year War and how it affects all of the characters. We can see this in how badly it affects the Gundam's pilot, Amuro Ray, as the poor sod of a teenager basically develops PTSD throughout the original show's run. And it's not just Amuro that's under a lot of stress. The infamous Bright Slap happens not only because Amuro refuses to get back into the Gundam, but because White Base captain Bright Noa (who's 19, by the way) is also at his wit's end. Never mind the fact that the slap makes everything worse.

So What Does This Have To Do With G Gundam?

Everything. There's this idea that being a "real robot" series is what gives Gundam its bite and that G Gundam spits in the face of Gundam's original vision by being a hot-blooded "super robot" anime. There's just a couple of problems with that line of thinking. First, it's insulting to the series to say that it has nothing worthwhile to say. Y'know, G Gundam. The series that opens with the Gundam Fight (the Future Century replacement for traditional war) making its way to a ruined Rome, where the poor people who could not afford to leave for the space colonies are panicking as the Gundams literally crash onto their homes. The series where some of the last dialogue of the series is how, even after defeating the imminent threat that was the Devil Gundam, there is still work to be done when it comes to fixing the world, namely by finding a more sustainable replacement to the Gundam Fight. This doesn't even touch on the fact that all of the nations of the world join forces to face an threat that could wipe out all of mankind.

Second, and the part that I think is more insidious, is the idea that G Gundam is a lesser series because it went for more of a classic robot anime vibe as opposed to the serious war story that Gundam is known for. I say this is insidious because it not only ignores the fact that Gundam had just come off of the heels of the extremely depressing Victory Gundam and needed a bit of a palette cleanser, but it also implies that only so-called real robot stories can have serious storylines. God forbid something like Space Runaway Ideon exist, which is probably one of the most serious classic, pre-Dougram robot series out there, or Combat Mecha Xabungle, which is a really goofy but technically a "real robot" series.

This is also related to the idea that G Gundam is just "dumb fun." This line of thinking I can understand, because let's not kid ourselves here. While I wouldn't call this series dumb, G Gundam is kind of known for being insane (but in a good way). What makes this take just as grating is when a similar series can get away with a similar style of story just because it's not related to an existing franchise like Gundam. A series like, oh I don't know, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. And that's a series that's often treated as somehow being different from most other mecha shows because "it's about the characters." Gurren Lagann is one of those shows, and people often treat it like it's a literary masterpiece while G Gundam, which I'd argue is one of the former's progenitor series alongside Getter Robo and GaoGaiGar, is treated as B-movie schlock. It's not, and I hope you'll join me when I dive into the insane masterpiece that is Mobile Fighter G Gundam.

[grayrazor]

It makes sense because of when they came out and the chain of inspiration--Macross and VOTOMS took from Gundam and Battletech took from Macross--but it's still kind of funny that Gundam has much more "Super Robot" design sensibilities than Macross, VOTOMS, and Battletech despite being much harder sci-fi.

Gundam has mecha that look like high fantasy warriors and attack each other with melee weapons, spaceship designss that look straight out of Space Battleship Yamato, but it has no FTL, no artificial gravity, even travelling from the Earth to the Moon can take days, and travelling to the outer planets will take years.

There's often a percieved dissonance between aesthetics and levels of realism in visual media sci-fi. Like, Star Wars looks more “grounded” than Star Trek, but commonplace tech in Wars is the domain of lost ancient civilizations in Trek.

In its own way, Gundam is more realistic than The Expanse. There’s nothing in the Universal Century anywhere close to the raw power of the Epstein Drive.

[aleksgivanov]

Finished my Senior Thesis, super proud of this one!!

Behold, the culmination of two years of art school and a whole lot of brainrot (:

[zazagundam]

Thought I'd try another method of weathering on one of my fav suits, the Gouf Custom, while working on my current comm :3333

[dokkywokky]

i make-a the art-a (don’t worry if this is basically inscrutable lore)

The *"Sen-no-Sen"* (officially called the *Saizensen-Pattern Type 133*) is an "Enmimetic Frame" used across Gentense space and as an export model by the Union of Three Stars and several other domestic Triangulum nations. Its name translates to "early strike," in reference to a martial concept of attack opportunities and its overall combat role. Deployed to disrupt enemy movements in small squadrons as a peripheral force to larger Jittai operations and other large consolidated forces, these "N-Interceptors" are semi-independent operators with the capacity to wipe out armored columns if left unchecked. To that end, their designs are sleek, fast, and heavily armed, using sprayed-maglev propulsion to either fix themselves to low gravity terrain or levitate them off of moderate to high gravity terrain. Due to their small squadron sizes, however, *Sen-no-Sen* Interceptors are frequently targeted and pressured out of combat by larger fluid defense forces, especially in Raajy and Vitruvian space, where *Ratha* and *Bandook* rapid response teams can make quick work of an exposed assault.

[szkin-art]

Gokaido's Volcano design is a nightmarish support unit that uses a variety of thermal weapons to suppress armor and deny infantry. Using weaponry from USSR nations, it provides a cheap supplement to any force - with the caveat that fielding it inevitably proves controversial.

Another mech design commission for the Metallurgent TTRPG.

[mars-gallavanger]

ft. voice acting by deacon

[littleaipom]

Scrapnik Island comics my beloved. I hope Mecha Sonic finds new happiness 🌻

[pencilbrony]

Narrow walker

[technician-the]

3d render of my model of the scopedog from Armored Trooper Votoms

This is based on the appearance in season one of the anime, during action shots.

in the TV anime the level (and style) of shading varied significantly. the more the AT was moving the simpler the shading became.

Often the AT is shown with a totally flat shading, (even in closeups) but that's a bit dull. so I have added some very slight shading, in a style simaler to the static shots of the first episode.

In the ending and some promo art the AT is shown with a number of painted markings, (little yellow labels) and fine mechanical details, but I couldn't find an episode of the original TV run where they actually appear.

The line art uses a mix of blenders grease pencil and texturing. grease pencil is great, but it can be slow and glitchy, so it seemed wise to keep it as simple as possible.