#pov you're harrowhark

[cutetanuki-chan]

tower princes are like

[0l-unreliable]

chussy this chussy that, freaks

[gideonysis]

I just want to fold them up in paper and keep them in my breast pocket

[liesmyth]

Your recs are ON FIRe and I was wondering if you have any more Harryanthe recs (any POV)?

Harryanthe my beloved! I'm a multishipping mess these days but THIS is actually the ship I got back into fandom for

Harrow/Ianthe

A Little of You, A Lot of Bloodletting by monochrome_agalma; rated E, HtN era

Horrors pile upon horrors when Harrow walks in on Ianthe masturbating and finds her unwilling to stop.

Burned Out from a Joyride by @theriverbeyond; rated E, HtN era

“Or,” she said lightly, folding her long legs up to sit in front of you, close enough that you could feel the heat radiating off her skin. “I can show you how very grateful I am for your assistance, and we can fuck each other until we both forget what a horrible place this nightmare station is.”

or: Ianthe tries to thank Harrow after The Bone Arm scene. It's complicated for both of them.

docile, unkind, fraught by @meikuree; rated T

By the time you returned to Ianthe’s room from another practice session for Ortus the First’s ill-advised murder, it was late, or the Mithraeum’s moorless definition of late.

Or: Ianthe invents intricate rituals to touch Harrow. Harrow has a twisty time about it.

gallery walls by goldentwin; rated E, violence

Ianthe is very fond of the nude portraits that decorate her room aboard the Mithraeum. Harrowhark vehemently is not.

Some rough and horny Harryanthe content for art history enjoyers who want to wax poetic about iconography and religious ecstasy in your Lyctor porn.

Glory and Gore go Hand in Hand by quiriusblack, rated E

Harrow makes Ianthe a new arm. Then she fucks her about it.

thought that love was a kind of emptiness by @banrions; rated E, soulmate AU

The first time that Ianthe sees Harrowhark Nonagesimus, Reverend Daughter of Drearburh and Heir to the House of Ninth, she seems like an unremarkable little twit with some idiotic face paint.

to settle in a kingdom made of sugar by rosedamask; rated M, HtN era

Ianthe the First crashes a party in the River.

Repeat recs! I've recced these before but they're GOOD

a never feeling pleased when pleased by peacockbutchboy; Ianthe/Harrow + Ianthe & Corona, rated E, up to HtN

Despite wagging tongues claiming the contrary, Ianthe is capable of waiting patiently for her spoils. She and Harrow are caught in each other’s orbit for good, and there is no need to rush. She has an eternity at her disposal to capture her heart, and an eternity more to keep it for herself.

the cellar door is an open throat by 2wisheslikeafool; Ianthe/Harrow, rated E, HtN era

Ianthe experiences human emotions and tastes Harrow’s blood, only one of which is pleasant.

Harrow/Ianthe-ish

(Fics that aren't ONLY Harrow/Ianthe but I would rec specificially to Harryanthe fans)

(bad, bad news) one of us is gonna lose by valancytrinit; rated E, modern AU with powers

"You're not actually going to send Ianthe nudes, are you?" says the Body, in a tone that suggests she sincerely disapproves. Harrow never entertained what she thought the Body's views on pornography might be. She certainly never considered they might be quite conservative views.

Harrow sends the picture anyway.

[This is a modern AU with necromancy where Ianthe and Harrow sext. Also Gideon's ghost is there AND so is Alecto's ghost and they both have horny vibes with Harrow. This is just as weird and even better than I'm making it sound]

Lies Found Favor In Heaven by monochrome_agalma; rated T

God looked at you and saw everything wrong with the world he had wrought. It was painfully clear. So, when he asked about you and Harrow, you told him a lot of hot bullshit.

Or: what if John tried to talk safe sex with Ianthe too?

real love is a heart attack by @augustmourn; rated E, canon-setting AU (incest CW)

Harrow arranges a political marriage. Ianthe chafes under Ninth customs. Babs has a bad time. Corona will always come first.

[Ianthe marries Harrow and moves to the Ninth; this is primarily a Ianthe-centric fic and there's Corona/Ianthe alongside Harrow/Ianthe but I'm reccing it for the STEAMING HOT smut scene of Harrow punishing Ianthe in sexy ways.]

The Emperor's Daughter by @naryrising; rated T, Divine Highness AU

"Does anyone here actually want to marry the Emperor's daughter?" Harrow asked.

"That's a great question," said Palamedes. "I assume someone must. Lady Dulcinea Septimus says she's, and I quote, 'stacked.'"

[Harrow and Ianthe both try to flirt with God's daughter. They're competitive about it]

there is only one thing by @slashmarks; rated E, HtN AU

Resurrection Beast Seven stays on the original timeline, and Harrow's plan unravels anyway.

[This is Gideon/Harrow/Ianthe in a Gideon&Harrow bodysharing situation, but I'm reccing it here because the Harrow/Ianthe content is A+ Two words: sewn tongue]

[inheroes--wetrust]

ok this is based on first read only so it might get crazy but there is no fucking way that kiriona is gideon. evidence below anyone please feel free to discuss i am FERAL over here

(EDIT: no fucking way that kiriona is *full gideon. i am now fully in camp "kiriona is gideon with some very very key pieces missing like oh i dont know her love and humanity")

1) during the broadcast and in the book, it's made very clear that gideon's body is dead. she's described as waxy like naberius (who we all know is dead as a doornail). if it's gideon's body and gideon's soul, they should snap back together no issues. palamedes seems to think that just bringing nona close to gideon's body would draw her soul out and gideon would be whole again, and palamedes is the smartest necromancer of his generation (love you bb). there's a soul piloting a body here. they aren't cohesive.

2) tamsyn said in a recent interview (https://books.tumblr.com/post/693388542787846144/writer-spotlight-tamsyn-muir-tamsyn-muir-probably) there is a pecking order to POV characters. paraphrasing here, but she said that if possible, gideon is first and foremost the POV character. we obviously see this in HtN - gideon is narrating the mithraeum chapters of the book, and as soon as she comes to the surface, she is the POV character. when they first came into contact with gideon's walking and talking corpse, i half expected POV to switch to gideon, but we never got that.

3) a fucking FRIENDSHIP BRACELET? with IANTHE???? hell fucking no. what in the world. why would they even put that there? it makes absolutely zero sense, there's no point to it other than for nona to point out they're working together. chekhov's friendship bracelet. maybe ianthe is controlling gideon's corpse somehow? i have no idea it's four in the morning.

4) the way she interacts with everyone but especially the sixth house. you expect me to believe that gideon nav sees a dying cam for the first time since her sacrifice and is just like oh hey cam looks like you're dying soon? absolutely not. the sex pal thing was also aggressive. very "hey palamedes remember that thing we did together who else would know i called you sex pal once". iirc, she never actually called him that - she was just pointing out a fun gideon fact.

5) she doesn't care about harrow. gideon cares EXCLUSIVELY about harrow. gideon "it was not my thumb to let them bite off" sees alecto piloting harrow's body and just says sure i'm going to let that happen? not in ten thousand years.

this obviously leaves a million questions starting with 1) who is kiriona and 2) WHERE IS GIDEON but these are 100% two different souls. tamsyn i need alecto now please and thank you.

EDIT: More evidence on the second reread.

6) when cam and nona-as-harrow go to see ianthe, ianthe says, "How are you surviving, Harrowhark the First? How can you stand beneath the light of Number Seven? Unless I am addressing..." and then nona screams, there's a general panic, and ianthe is like FINE OKAY FUCKING RELAX and tells nona she's coming back to the emperor with her. lyctors can survive an RB when their cavs are at the forefront. harrow's cav is gideon. and pre-NtN, harrow had a lobotomy that caused her to have a breakdown at the sound of gideon's name. what else would she have been saying other than "Unless I am addressing Gideon Nav", which should make no sense considering ianthe knows full well that kiriona exists. unless of course kiriona is not gideon or at least not gideon all the way.

7) https://www.tor.com/2022/09/13/tamsyn-muir-on-lyctorhood-as-genderfuckery-and-greasy-bible-study-in-nona-the-ninth/ new interview by tamsyn for the nona release. the last question strongly hints that gideon's body and gideon's soul - or at least not all of it - are not in the same place, and at least some of it is still with harrow.

8) pyrrha says john shouldn't have been able to pull gideon's soul all the way back to put her back in her body. she explicitly says that harrow still has a piece of gideon and john could not have gotten it back, AND that john should have been able to do better. he resurrects. that's LITERALLY his thing. he should have been able to bring gideon back perfectly, but he didn't. why?

9) get in line, thou big slut. on first glance, this is gideon nav to a t. i love her so much. however. i find it SUPER interesting that slut, which has (to my knowledge) never been used in the previous two books, is used twice in NtN both by ianthe - once about the original lyctors, once about corona. idk what it was about it, but the use of it three times in the book, when previous insults have been along the lines of "you mutant, you mistake, you great big calf-eyed fuck-up" just struck me a little. iffy. this one is definitely more out there but the use of slut in the book just stood out to me for some reason (a sentence you can only type when talking about the locked tomb).

upon further review i have decided that kiriona and gideon are definitely not 100% the same soul, but kiriona could have a piece of gideon's soul, because a lot of the ninth house stuff is very gideon, especially with crux. i still want alecto now.

[gideonisms]

re: your posts about harrow's characterization in ntn - unless I'm misinterpreting, you're assuming the john chapters are being told to harrow, but I don't think that's the case. In john 20:8 he says "we just wanted to save you. you were so sick", "we" being him and the other scientists. in john 1:20 he describes the process of absorbing earth/alecto's soul and giving her a body (including the infamous barbie quote) and refers to his interlocutor as "you" throughout. (1/2)

(2/2) I think john's talking to some third version of alecto's consciousness, one that isn't nona (since by definition nona isn't aware of john + what he did) but also isn't the alecto we see wake up in the tomb, instead being something in between where she has some, but not all, of her memories. (could be related to nona having "top, middle, and bottom thoughts"?)

3/2 sorry this got way long 😩 bc I agree that not only does the target of john's monologuing not act like harrow, I think some of the things they say literally wouldn't make sense for harrow. ik john calls her "harrowhark" once, but I think that's just bc he's aware of alecto's presence inside harrow's body, presumably due to their necromantic connection (eg he doesn't seem at all surprised when she stabs him). anyway, I hope this makes sense and I wonder if it changes your thoughts on ntn!

My first ask that wasn’t a bot! This is an exciting moment for me!!

Thank you for calling in to gideonisms.tumblr.com and for your interesting points! Basically I agree with quite a bit of this if I’m interpreting you correctly! I do think John is talking to some version of alecto. And this is a good theory as to what the top, middle, and bottom thoughts are meant to signify. I can see this being a third version of Alecto’s consciousness.

However, that doesn’t really change my initial opinion. Specifically, my theory is that Alecto/Nona and harrow are having each other's dreams because the timing of the john chapters corresponds pretty closely to the timing of when Nona falls asleep or loses consciousness--though I believe there is at least one exception where Nona loses consciousness and the chapter doesn't pause for a dream but the john chapter happens shortly afterward instead. 

I agree that this isn’t purely Harrow the whole time. But my argument is:

We seem to be sitting in alecto's dream as filtered through harrow's mind. It's not third person omniscient POV because we don't get John's thoughts. It's not third person objective because we DO see how alecto views john. we see him from within alecto's eyes. Muir is not JUST describing the characters' actions, she's describing what those moments looked like to alecto, and by extension to an unconscious harrow.

All of this adds up. UNTIL this moment.

This is the turning point. The character john is speaking to might not have been harrow the whole time, but is pretty clearly harrow at this point. That's the way she talks. That's the type of question she might ask. Alecto isn't a child of the ninth, but harrow is. THEN she heads to the tower, which seems to be a new development since Pyrrha is surprised by it and Gideon asks “have you seen the river lately?” implying it hasn’t always been this way.

So that part specifically isn't an alecto memory, and this moment reads as harrow, not alecto.

Again, remember: up until now we've been in the mind of whoever john is speaking to. Later in the chapter we get harrow's emotional state:

So if harrow is no longer floating without agency through alecto's dream, and we are in harrow's head at this point, why is there nothing about Gideon, the person she spent the entire last book trying to protect at any cost, the person who infiltrated her unconscious mind to such an extent that Abigail had to put a stop to it so she wouldn't bring down the whole river bubble trying to think about her?

Why is her motivation "to journey to find God"? This is a motivation that would have made sense for harrow at 11 years old or, hell, maybe even post-pool scene, pre-Gideon's death. Religion isn't something you can easily turn your back on, she’s always cared about the Body, and as other people have pointed out, I doubt we are getting the full extent of harrow's plans here.

But the fact remains, we are in her head in this moment, and we don't get any of her thought process outside of being unafraid to go look for alecto. So it READS as though she's forgotten about her entire motivation in the previous book and gone in a completely new direction for no apparent reason.

I don't think we���re going to go without an explanation for this, because ntn is basically the first bit of atn. I think there's some time or memory fuckery going on that's yet to be explored in the next book. But yes, I do have beef (haha) with the way her character was handled simply because this IS one book, and she was The Protagonist of the previous book, so to end her bit of ntn on a portion that throws her previous characterization into confusion is a choice I don't really understand. I can't see my feelings on that changing until atn comes out, but I'm open to different opinions! Thanks for the ask!  and sorry I wrote an Essay here.