#ok hannigram s3

[sickmachete]

yknow i really thought you guys were pulling all the gay claims out your asses until i started watching house too. like its actually unreal how much sexual tension they can shove into 5 episodes

[teeglass]

hi hannibal fandom is it too late to make this

[k-s-morgan]

Hey K, have you seen the controversy around Hugh Dancy’s answers to hannigram-related questions at the Fan expo? Some fans are mad saying he’s a Hannigram denier but I’ve been in this fandom for 11 years now and honestly, reading his answers, he’s still saying the same stuff he always did though? So I’m a bit confused as to why people are angry with his answers?

He always acknowledged they loved each other, that it was a romance, but platonic. Also, I think he’s got a very British sense of humor and is sarcastic and ironic a lot and was never really into discussing hannigram as an openly gay romance, but more so because he is a literal guy in the way he communicates. Tons of Brits are like that. Especially actors, they’re not keen on doing fan service or saying what people like to hear. Mads on the other hand, loves enticing the audience and talking about Hannigram the way they want to hear.

All in all, maybe it’s bc some of these people are new to the fandom, but I literally think that this was just Hugh being Hugh and he gave mostly the same responses as he’s done in the past. It’s a mix of his sense of humor and the tone of the fan expo which is light and not necessarily a proper interview where he’d be more serious and give long answers.

Overall, what do you think?

Hi! Yes, I know a lot of people were unhappy with Hugh's responses - I'm not watching the fandom as closely as I used to, but I'm still keeping an eye on it.

I agree with you in that I heard nothing new. In my opinion, the problem lies in the reputation of 'Hannibal' fandom. We're known as a (mostly) cozy place where the biggest M/M ship is canon and actively supported by cast, writers, and the director. They all said so many wonderful things over the years, things that keep being repeated and are taken as a fandom Bible.

That's why people might still be unpleasantly surprised when they hear Hugh's reserved, distant replies, or Mads' weirdly shallow answers, or Bryan's ideas that are all over the place.

The truth is, ten years separate these people from their work. Hugh in particular hasn't even seen S3 as a complete product, at least from what I lasted heard. Besides, they all have been inconsistent even when the show was airing - Hugh has an interesting habit of saying different things depending on what kind of interview he's giving and who he's with. As an example, in the commentary to S3, he agreed with Bryan that Will was jealous of Bedelia and snapping at her because of it, but then later, he said Will disliked Bedelia for basically being a bad person, with jealousy being unrelated to it.

I'll be the first person to admit that some of Hugh's (and others') answers make no sense or contradict the show, but over the years, I got very used to it, to the point where it doesn't faze me any longer.

Hugh thinks it would take Will 7 season to fall in love with Hannibal, even though 7 seasons haven't been in the plans for over a decade (as Bryan has settled on 5 ages ago), and Will's silence to Bedelia's question and his further choices clearly meant to show he reciprocates? Ok. Hugh things Will's feelings for Hannibal are unrelated to his feelings regarding his own darkness? Fine - at least he acknowledged Will is dark because sometimes there are some denials about it. He thinks Will's decision to betray Jack and Alana and get a bunch of innocent people killed has nothing to do with his love for Hannibal? Lol, but all right.

I don't believe S4 will ever happen. Now, if it's announced, and then I keep hearing the stuff I really don't like, I might get worried, but as it is, I just save the things I agree with and ignore the rest :D The show is over, and we are all invited to come up with our own version of Will and Hannibal's future life. I'm also absolutely certain that we, passionate fans, know the show much, much better than people who were involved in it a decade ago. I mean, if I finished writing a fic 2 years ago, then a reader who just read it will probably know it better than I do at this point. It's natural.

Also, during this reunion, so many wonderful things were said, too. About Hannibal inviting Molly 'for dinner' and Will describing him as a 'therapist' to her, Hannibal urging Will to lose at least a dog or two out of the thousand when they are on the run, Will being annoyed by Hannibal's fussy kitchen habits, etc.

Basically, I don't think we heard anything new or bad. Some answers might have been frustrating, but the good still tops the bad, in my opinion - and the bad isn't all that relevant.

[thatswhatsushesaid]

ok so i understand why it's appealing to read junlian (like i'm literally in that camp with all the respectable fans with impeccable tastes) but. but i think it's Important for the sake of fully Understanding their dynamic and representing it in the most accurate way to keep in mind - at all times - that it was always meant to be a (pseudo)parental relationship first and foremost.

JW is not the representation of a toxic jealous ex. he's the representation of a toxic parent who will traumatise you in the most horrific ways while saying (and genuinely believing in his own mind) that he's only doing it for your own good. he loves you because you remind him of all the good parts of himself. he can't stand seeing his own reflection in you. he won't ever let you go. it breaks his heart to have to break you, but what choice does he have? the outside world is cruel and it's his job to prepare you for suffering.

yeah i don't think the source material supports a read of jun wu's relationship with xie lian as an ex of any kind tbh, that's not the vibe i got at any point while reading the books. my shipping goggles aside, i hope i haven't conveyed that through my of my commentary, and if i have--oops! was it the comparison i drew between junlian and hannigram in my meme? i mean, even though by s3 the question of hannibal being explicitly in love with will graham is broached on screen by bedelia du maurier (to say nothing of their overtly intimate embrace before they tumble off the cliff together), s1 is where the comparison between the two dynamics really works for me. because imo hannibal's fascination with will at that point is at its most paternalistic, and will's rejection of him at the end of s1 when he finds out (or believes he's found out!) what hannibal did to abigail is analogous to xie lian's complete rejection of jun wu the moment he sees his reflection in the sword. end-of-s1 will is about as interested in hannibal romantically as he is in voluntarily eating abigail's ear: he isn't, he didn't ask for this, he's in hell, etc. similarly, xie lian's entire understanding of his relationship with jun wu, the rock and fundament of his time in the heavenly court, has just been irreparably destroyed. from his perspective, everything he thought he knew and understood to be true about their relationship was built on lies, and he's not wrong.

all that to say, while i do think that the text can support a romantic read of jun wu's feelings towards xie lian without ever explicitly confirming it as such, i for sure agree with you that that wasn't mxtx's intention when writing the dynamic. she's pretty clear, again and again when describing how xie lian sees jun wu, that his behaviour is seen and interpreted as parental and fatherly.

[desperatelyseekingcannibals]

Renaissance (Hannigram S3 post credits) - Shortfic

Explicit // M/M // Hannibal Lecter/Will Graham // Tags: season 3, post credits, missing scene, major character death, they both die (sorry), rebirth, eldritch horror, tentacles, monster Hannibal, monster fucking, monster, drowning, illusions and delusions, anal sex, tentacle sex, mpreg, eggpreg, monster birth, explosive birth (like Alien), cannibalism, Hannibal mark II.

I don't know if I can save myself. Maybe that's just fine.

Latest installment on my @hannibalbingo card: Renaissance

Note: Ok, this one got out of hand lol. My thought process went Renaissance = rebirth = eggpreg = eldritch horror. Sorry.

Renaissance (1k):

Will had been underwater before, of course.

But nothing compared to this. The hard crash against the surface and then sucked down into the oppressive ocean. He was barely beneath the surface and yet the pressure was intense. It felt inescapable. He went calm, resisting the urge to scramble towards the surface.

That was when he felt movement next to him. Hannibal.

He reached out, expecting to feel human flesh, but instead there was something else. A limb, hot to the touch. Will opened his eyes against the burning salt and took in the sight before him. Processed the words in his head.

Fallen angel, I’ve been called. Devil. Demon. Inhuman. Not all correct, but not entirely wrong.

It was Hannibal’s voice in his head, and it took him a moment to realise that the creature in front of him was Hannibal. For creature it now was. A mass of limbs and eyes, skin like an oil slick and a great maw for a mouth.

I have walked this earth for millennia, in one form or another. And the time for this form is done.

Will blinked, the remaining air in his lungs was burning.

Continue on AO3!

[willgrahamsbecoming]

hiii anon again i need to check out your fic!!!! any chillywilly fics in particular you recommend as a seasoned pro? i’m looking for like canon-divergent multichapters ideally it’s just all the unrelated fics in the tag have put me off………

aajalkd yea a lot of fics use frederick as a means to a hannigram end so it gets a little complicated in there

let's see what i have... a lot of these are drabbles and total AUs so i'll have to dig

i found my reach exceeds my grasp by brian_zeller - oneshot (13k), set early s3 where will doesn't follow hannibal to europe. they go fishing and it's cute

in forty-nine hours by xevinx - 6 chapters (19k), set post-digestivo i suppose? will and frederick's flight/s get cancelled and they're forced to road trip together

rising like a boat from the mist by paisleycowboys - oneshot (11k), honestly i forgot what happens in this but it's bookmarked and it's a yakimono divergence

open up your hands and let me see the things you keep in there by littleblacksubmarine - 12 chapters (107k), explicit, set post-digestivo i think? will and frederick both end up teaching at the same university following hannibal's arrest

things we lost in the fire by carolinelamb - 20 chapters (60k), explicit, i've forgotten the plot of this but i know it's at least post-yakimono divergence (skimmed the first couple of paragraphs and it mentions being shot), gets bonus points for being named after a bastille song

confines by trekfaerie - 22 chapters (15k), explicit, frederick stays yakimono au again, written pre-s3 so very au from that point. margot and freddie are there

i might just trust you, maybe by percivalderolo - 10 chapters (46k), very very canon divergent soulmate au. once again i have forgotten most of the plot beyond this

and because i absolutely love this one and can't pass up recommending it, an au:

like voices on a string by captaineifersucht - 9 chapters (32k), explicit, will has the same job but frederick is a radio show host

goes without saying to make sure you read the tags/summaries first of course!

i have all my chillywilly bookmarks tagged as such here (i hope that link works) (there's a lot of smut there. proceed at your own risk i suppose)

OH AND MY FIC ::

quid pro quo by alexandelliot - very much a wip (2 chapters <3) but i'm still working on it i promise. wildly au! edwardian but only in vibes because i dont care for making it perfectly historically accurate. probably won't be explicit because i can't be bothered. fredsquared are childhood best friends (though that shows up in chapter 3)

uhm yea that's it ok grooversome thank you for asking ✌️

[petropascal]

idk why people spent years saying shit like 'omg protect will graham' ... I finally watched hannibal and all I can say about him is

[meiliravengard]

[bakasara]

@hanniwinsagrahamy did I do this companion piece right..?

[bettysgay]

A lyric analysis of Sad Beautiful Tragic by Taylor Swift but it's about Hannigram

I'm not going over every lyric cuz of course they all don't fit and it repeats but stay along for the ride, this really hits all the marks for Hannigram and I think I broke halfway through.

"Long handwritten note deep in your pocket"

Immediately, the first line reminds me of Hannibal and his silly little handwritten letters, esp of course the one he sends to Jack after Bella's death, which is then given to Will.

"words, how little they mean when you're a little too late"

The second line is about when Will says he forgives Hannibal for everything. Hannibal struggles with how to deal with this and of course tries to get rid of this problem in his own cannibalistic way but we love our meow meow <3

"good girls, hopeful they'll be and long they will wait"

For three whole years Hannibal sits in the BSHCI just waiting for Will to need him again because Will is the one thing in his life that he loves more than anything else. Fuck I feel lonely.

"cuz we had a beautiful magic love there"

*through sobs and sniffles* um yeah they did

"what a sad beautiful tragic love affair"

*bawling now* WHYYYY IS THIS SHOW CANCELLED WHYYYYY

"in dreams I meet you in warm conversation"

Idk if it's exactly warm conversation but Will's dreams about Hannibal, or the wendigo, or both just have to be mentioned with this lyric. And have I headcanoned that Will also dreams about Hannibal in a sweet way? maaaybe

"we both wake in lonely beds in different cities"

ok so this SCREAMS early s3 (even though Hannibal is with Bedelia at this time shussshhhh). I can just imagine Will missing Hannibal, alone in his house with nothing but a scar. And Hannibal, wandering around trying to find some echo of Will in another person (we all know who).

"and time is taking its sweet time erasing you"

gOD just thinking about Hannibal drawing Will over and over and over again while at the BSHCI just so he can keep his face memorized is painful. AND WHEN HE DOES IT WITH THE PAINTING IN FLORENCE AH. But time could never erase the marks they have left on each other, physical and emotional.

"and you've got your demons and darlin' they all look like me"

THE FUCKING WENDIGO SHDVAGDVGADFS. The way Hannibal fuses with Will's mental representation of evil and yet Will misses him and yearns for him GOD this fucking ship.

"distance, timing, breakdown, fighting"

The fucking season 2 finale. The way if they had met earlier in their lives maybe it would have been different. The way they betrayed each other in a way they knew would hurt the most, the way only divorced couples do. The way no matter how much Will denies it to himself, he knows he hates being without Hannibal. They aren't truly themselves without one another.

"what a sad beautiful tragic love affair"

GUYS IM CRYING AGAIN FUUUUCK THIS SHIP

anyways I hope you liked me slipping into madness and if you've seen any hannigram edits to sbt pls send them my way <333

[violentdelvghts]

HANNIBAL. You delight in wickedness and then berate yourself for the delight.

WILL. You delight. I tolerate.

[wulfhalls]

OK top 5 otps?

ULTIMATE TOP FIVE

chuck x blair, hannigram, cesare x lucrezia, catherine x peter, joowon x dongsik (I know its been like only a month but they genuinely changed me as a person.)

others driving me up to and over the brink:

kastle (weeping screaming crying throwing up) richanne!!!!!!! richanne!!!!!!!!, kenstew (s4 is our season our moment our time), heathcliff x cathy, kanej, yennskier (kiss in s3 or I'm going on a large scale arson rampage), sofie x max (yall NEED to watch love and anarchy fr if we don't get a second season I won't be held responsible for my actions), madwife!!!! also we have to mention jonsa but also I can't think about them or I'll go insane :)

[k-s-morgan]

Hugh Dancy calls Hannigram platonic so he doesn't see it as romance?

That’s a common misconception about Hugh! Or at least it used to be. He uses the word “platonic” in a more old-fashioned and philosophical way - it doesn’t mean “non-romantic.” Here’s one of his most popular quotes that many anti-Hannigram people like to cite selectively:

Hugh during PaleyFest 2014 (prior to S3): “They are in love or they love each other, that’s unquestionable. I think it’s a platonic love… but it’s rich in… (audience and cast laughs) Ok, we’ve done two seasons so far… so platonic love and they recognize each other as unique in the world, they reflect each other in a way, it’s like profound recognition and relief that comes with it. And they are good looking guys.”

In most cases, he openly acknowledges the romance - I don’t recall him ever denying it. During one of the RD cons, some fans asked him what he means by platonic, and he explained that he’s indeed using an old philosophical definition of it. You can find a really detailed explanation and analysis here.

And here’s the post confirming Hugh said this (it was posted right during/after the con, if I’m not mistaken).

Eros also falls into Hugh’s interpretation - you can read more about Plato’s version of it on Wiki, under In philosophy and psychology section.

[vampiresemen]

every post-s3 hannigram fic i read (i am on page 25 of 96 of the tag...), if its about them getting together finally after all the drama, its just a gamble between whether they fuck first or kill together first.

one ALWAYS leads to the other and that is the formula in which every author seems to follow for post-twotl fics without a preexisting romantic relationship between them

here’s the algorithm ok

will is sad and confused, if will’s NOT sad and confused, hannibal is withdrawing emotionally

step one leads to a heated argument, will gets drunk or hannibal fucks off

whoever didnt get drunk or fuck off has time to himself to realize what the problem is

they make up, by killing someone or fucking, or both at once

after they kill someone they fuck. if they fucked first, the murder scene is directly next, and there’s always a parallel between the fucking and killing

somehow a dog appears

happily ever after!

i sound like im mocking this, but i have read about 40 identical fics and i am going to read more

i DO however covet the rare and wonderful unique post-twotl fic. sometimes i get surprised by a very well written hannibal, or a more realistically-reactionary will.

i dont really... mind the repetition. i just need to have my boys stable and a little bit happy and a lot a bit murderous and horny and most of all safe. after everything. i need them to live and be free and yes ok theyre murderers but i need them to be happy and safe and eat all the human meat they want ok

[sofancydancy]

Bedelia during s3:

*Whitney Houston playing in the distant background* @behindthemaddness

[lynxash]

rules: tag 9 people you want to get to know

(tagged by @mieczyslaf thank you so much!!) 3 ships: andrew and neil (andreil) from the foxhole court. idk what to say except that they are my ultimate fav ship of anything ever. i love them so much...  villanelle and eve (villaneve) from killing eve.  love my murder wives, i watch s3 finale from time to time to feel alive hannibal and will (hannigram) from hannibal. murder husbands. season 4 when???

currently reading: Chinese Literature: A Very Short Introduction.... ok but also gonna continue Mo Du as soon as i have the time!!

currently watching: nothing... tho i am gonna start The Haunting of Hill House so i can watch The Haunting of Bly Manor for the lesbians 

currently consuming: nothing...  currently craving: chocolate!! tagging: no one bc im lazy...