#no one watches og db where goku figured out who kami was

[gokustits]

I was about to make a post asking why do people think goku is dumb then I remember dbza is at fault for that too

[tigerlover16-uk]

Top 15 worst things about GT?

Sigh. Okay, quick thing I want to ask people. Please don’t send me any more asks about GT.

I like talking about Dragon Ball, but I’ve made my feelings clear on GT, I’d rather just move on, and i don’t want to get into any discourse over it. God knows i get enough flak just for acknowledging ANY positive qualities about Super from this trigger happy, people with other opinions must die fandom. I don’t care about GT, I answered that last ask about it to mostly express a sense of closure over it.

I’m probably not even going to watch the show again, except whenever I decide to watch the full subbed version aswell so I can say someday that I’ve watched every Dragon Ball series completely both dubbed and subbed. But I’ve still got quite a bit of OG Dragon Ball and DBZ to go first, so lucky me. Otherwise I’d rather just forget about it and focus on the things in this franchise I like. There’s a reason I’ve avoided watching Dragon Ball Evolution, you know.

I’ll answer this for you anon because I like my followers and people who are just casually interested in hearing my thoughts on stuff. But I’d like to ask people to please keep the discussions to other things, if that’s alright with you. 

But anyway, here you go then:

15: The Black Star Dragon Balls. Just see the entry about Piccolo’s death and my Baby Saga review, but needless to say i hate these things on a conceptual level for how they were used in the story, and the implications they leave for Kami’s character.

14: Master Roshi’s outfit in the last episode. Sweet mother of God, what where they thinking!? Come to think of it, half the new designs were terrible.

13: On that note: MY GOD, BABY VEGETA LOOKED UGLY! And to justify this being another slot, while I like Baby in general, he lost all his charm after taking over the world and just became boring and generic for the second half of the saga onwards. Basically just a bargain-store Frieza minus his charms, and his reasoning for wanting to take over the universe seemed clunky and not well enough explored.

12: Completely wasting the whole “Villains escape from hell” premise and instead turning all the past villains, especially Cell and Frieza, into complete jokes.

11: Rage Shenron being defeated BECAUSE IT LITERALLY STARTED RAINING. Like, I’m sorry, but that was just the most pathetic villain defeat I’ve seen in quite some time. The Shadow Dragons besides Nuova and Eis Shenron were pretty lame villains in general, but that just took the cake.

10: Gogeta was annoying and his “Fight” if you can even call it that is my least favourite fight in all of Dragon Ball. Really disappointing after his cameo in Fusion Reborn.

Come to think of it, most of the fight with Omega Shenron (Who’s about as boring as Broly by the way) from that point could count, because it just got completely ridiculous and boring, and a big disappointment for what was supposed to be the final battle of all of Dragon Ball. Especially how they lazily redid the spirit bomb ending of the Buu Saga, only did almost everything wrong where in the Buu Saga the execution was perfect.

9: The way most of the cast became pretty much useless and almost no one had any development or relevance. Heck, even after gaining super saiyan 4 (In incredibly cheap fashion that feels unlike Vegeta) Vegeta doesn’t do anything impressive himself. 

8: Majin Buu’s fridgeing. I wouldn’t mind the idea so much if Majuub had happened near the end of a better series, where Majin Buu and Uub had both gotten a lot more screentime and development, and Majuub felt like something that was built up to and earned, and was what saved the day instead of just Goku doing it as usual. But the way things played out, it just felt like the whole point of it was to kill off Buu without doing much of anything interesting with him in this show, so it just felt wasteful and anti-climactic.

7: Everything about how Android 17 was handled. Way to completely screw over a character’s big comeback and destroy all potential for development from them. Thank God for DBS doing him justice now.

6: The handling of Pan’s character, as I described in detail in my Baby Saga review. But then again, what could we have expected when the writers outright admitted that the only reason they had Pan around was so that she could get beaten up by the villains to make Goku look better by comparison.

5: Piccolo’s death. Unnecessary, the reason for it was terribly written and opens up a half a dozen plot holes for how Dragon Balls work, and it’s just all around insulting to one of Dragon Ball’s best and most beloved characters.

Only made worse by how they then have him shoved into hell to become the ogre’s whipping boy, something he clearly isn’t comfortable with in the last episode, and we never know if he gets out of there. WHAT THE HFIL, WRITERS!!!???

4: Goku’s stupid prank waggling a Dragon Ball in front of Pan’s face saying it was Naturon Shenron about to possess her again, after he was ALMOST FORCED TO KILL PAN TO STOP HIM, and Pan was still left horribly battered by the experience.

Goku… the kind of experience Pan went through would give even strong willed people horrific trauma and a bad case of PTSD. She was already in a bad state at the time, you very well could have instigated a fatal panic attack from her… ALL FOR A CHEAP LAUGH!

That might have been the single worst joke in all of Dragon Ball if it wasn’t for General Blue creeping on Obotchaman. It left me nearly as disgusted as someone who’s seen what this kind of ���Joke” can do to people with trauma. SCREW. YOU. GOKU. You deplorable excuse for a grandfather!

3: Episode 15 was the single worst episode of any Dragon Ball series. it’s the embodiment of everything wrong with Pan’s handling in the series, has a badly botched and thus VERY toxic moral. You think letting Gohan fight Cell was irresponsible?! Then pal, just go watch this episode and see how bad that could have been were it actually true!

2: The ending. Good God, i hate that ending. It made no sense, was not satisfying, and completely missed the point of what kind of a hero Goku was in favour of turning him into King Arthur/Space Monkey Jesus.

Goku is not a chosen one, Messiah like figure. He’s a guy that just goes about his life doing what he wants, and happens to keep running into situations where he ends up saving the day because he’s a good person, and would probably just live a normal life if trouble didn’t keep finding him. And that’s one of the most important things that makes him interesting and unique as a character to me.

The ending completely misses the point of that and I don’t like how it presented him, especially since it ties into the biggest problem i have with the show, and the execution of the whole thing was sloppy and confusing.

1: Completely shafting Uub and making him more or less irrelevant, and thus completely destroying the point of the ending of the manga and the natural story progression of the series. 

And, that’s pretty much it. If you like how any of these things were handled, then okay, that’s fine. But these are just some of the things that really make it difficult for me to enjoy the show.