#jojolion flashforward scene

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Would be dope if the anime will fix this flashforward scene meant for nothing with something like this.

Anyway, it’s been so long since I visit r/stardustcrusaders and they apparently have come up with some ideas regarding the flashforward:

I personally think that we shall admit it that it’s no longer relevant and got retconned, but whatever. Those two theories may satisfy you if you wish any relevancy for that flashforward.

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Curse broken. Fruit gone. People died. Love reunited. The end?

(NOTE: In this post, there are overall spoilers for Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure, especially for Part 7 and 8.)

I will say this with some certainty that Jojolion will now entering a last arc, considering there are still some unsolved issues: 

- the flashforward scenes & the aftermath of the end of Higashikata curse

- the actual reason for the curse itself. Are the Higashikata famile some sort of hybrid human/rock humans? Resulted from Norisuke I or someone related from the past messing with the Rock Humans or their sacred lands?

- What happened to Josuke before arriving & saving the day in this chapter as he looks very healthy considering what he had been through in these last 10+(?) chapters? Maybe Holy’s yet known stand came into play?

- Are Kei and Rai actually dead or are they been treated at the hospital?

- What is going to happen to Holly and her disease now that there’s no more Rokakaka fruits? Did Josuke manage to save her with his new power, Go Beyond? Or this will be the first Jojo story where the current Jojo fails at saving their loved ones? This would be the worse written and most tragic ending in the entire series. It would surpass both parts 1 & 6's own bittersweet endings. In the worse way possible.

Then we have the more general mysteries like the Mysterious man from Josuke’s memory/premonition of sorts, Kira and Josefemi's connection between them through the Joestar family as they both share the same birthmark, the purpose of the Wall Eyes, the mysterious bitings in chapter 1, the baby found on the same day that Johnny Joestar died back in 1901, Karera's promised return and Lucy and Speedwagon Foundation’s dealings with the Holy Corpse and the overall supernatural. Among other stuff that I may have forgotten.

Some of these should be "solved" in this part with a final arc, specially stuff envolving directly to Josuke and his “parts” Kira and Josefemi. But there’s stuff here though that might become more relevant for a hypothetical part 9, specially stuff that was mentioned in passing like the baby and Lucy Steel appearing as an agent from this universe’s SW Foundation. This has happened before in part 7, where Norisuke I and his daughter appeared in passing and noone was expecting for them to be very important in the current part.

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Maybe.

Or something happened and Araki changed his mind during his writing in these last months or forced to do so by Ultra Jump. Who knows?

Considering this chapter’s rushed (IMO) last pages, I wonder if Araki was struck with a certain “dilemma” that he once mentioned in an author’s notes of his on Jojolion’s Volume 25:

The evil and cruel limit of manga pages! *dramatic music*

In all seriousness, I’m very certain that it is the case.

Considering there is this weird jump between events where suddenly unconscious Norisuke is in a body bag. Until you realize that it’s missing a scene or two of doctors declaring him dead, putting him in the bag and bringing him to the garage to carry him to the ambulance. THEN we would have Tsurugi come along and sense his grandpa’s weak life signal. The same happens when Josuke appears out of the blue, when Araki would most likely draw a couple of panels of him running down the street or even out one of the ambulances and save the day.

So we can blame Ultra Jump’s rules messing with Araki’s writing and plans.

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I really hope next month’s chapter is not the final one, because there’s a lot to be solved and/or revealed. 

Unless Ultra Jump allows Araki do a 60 or 80 page length chapter to wrap everything up.

...They probably should that...

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JoJolion chapter 107 review (starring Higashikata Caato)

Why not? This chapter does star her.

We’re finally almost free from the crap of Caato’s hypes because she finally does something right now. This chapter is about her fight against Tooru and more about her character.

Previously related post: 

The Long-Awaited Most-Hyped Character Finally Made Her Appearance: Caato

MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD!! Don’t read more if you haven’t read the newest chapter (107) yet and don’t want to get spoiled!

JJL chapter 107: Kaato Higashikata's "Attack"

First, I’d like to try her recipe.

Actually, the reason she is in Higashikata’s house right now is to deliver Jobin’s favorite dish made by her… what a lovely mother. Too bad, instead she found her son’s dead body.

This actually should debunk some Caatofags silly idea of her as an evil person who doesn’t really care about her family. When it looks like more about Jobin, I think she does care to her daughters as well when she asked them to stay in their place.

Also, the speculation of Tooru’s tricking Caato also got debunked, obviously because Yasuho is there to tell her about what was really going on.

Yasuho in this chapter mostly just explains anything happened and her explanation regarding rock-humans and New Locacaca is because she has no reason to assume that Caato already knows about these things.

I like how Caato looks calm when Tooru was pointing knife (more like saw I think) at her, those tears in her eyes are still tears of grief over Jobin’s death, not due to her fear.

read it from left to right -->

That really sounds like a villain speech and it is said by Tooru. At this point I’m getting even more conviced that he is the true main villain of part 8.

Caato then revealed her Stand, the name is 「Space Trucking」 and I have explained its newest mechanism in my other post, so I won’t go in depth in discussing her Stand here. In short, she uses her Stand to hide some of Tooru’s limbs to incapacitate him.

Apparently, the one who called her “K-Kaato-san” in the last page of previous chapter was Yasuho and Tooru also knows about her (Caato). Just like what Maako, the girlfriend of Ojiro said that the news about her murdering a child 15 years ago is a well-known sensational news in Morioh, so it is not surprising if several characters in JJL know her.

I like Caato’s composure and softness here, kinda reminds me of Jolyne… yeah, she has been compared to Jolyne numerous times, her intro in prison is definitely a Jolyne’s reference. Araki once said that Norisuke IV is the JJL version of Josuke in part 4, as his elder counterpart so, what if Caato is also the elder counterpart of Jolyne in JJL? That kinda makes sense.

Caato already knows about the New Locacaca and so, does this mean that Caato was hiding another pot of the New Locacaca?? Or is that the same pot that Tooru and Yasuho had been fighting for in previous chapters?

My guess is that it is the ‘same’ pot, look how the pot that Caato reveals does not have any fruit either. I think Caato is just playing with her Stand’s ability while talking about the New Locacaca  or… perhaps, while she looks like she is playing, she actually manages to hide and steal a part of the plants(?)

Look, a flashback of Caato and Jobin! I think it officially becomes her trait to always barge in unannounced and startled whoever was in the room. They were in Jobin’s beetle collection room where he hid the New Locacaca there.

Look at the window that still looks intact there, then this flashback happened before the fight between Jobin-Tsurugi and Ojiro.

This is so wholesome this scene basically tells that no matter how old Jobin is he is still Caato’s baby.

Okay, I’m not into symbolization but now I want to talk about it just a moment, while this could be simply a JoJo thing that Jobin was wearing such impractical design for the sake of fashion, with that outfit he basically locked his own wrist which might symbolize of being handcuffed.

If you’re willing to take a look at the flashback scene in chapter 64, Jobin started wearing such outfit when he was a teenager right before Caato got caught by the police. Is this a form of Jobin's empathy for his mother who was in prison? Even though this symbolization is slightly missed because he was already wearing that outfit just before Caato got caught.

Told ya, the window still wasn't broken yet.

So, Jobin eventually told everything to his mom, about the New Locacaca, its equivalent exchange ability, the orchard burning and Tsurugi’s involvement.. and the most important thing that’s being revealed here is that the sap has the same power as the fruit! Those beetles show that we don’t necessarily need to have the fruit to get the effect of perfect equivalent exchange!!

Also, this actively debunk those wild theory of Caato being the mastermind of everything, she did not seem to possess any Locacaca before, she did not know the existence of the New Locacaca (and possibly about the rock-humans either), she did not know what truly happened during the orchard burning, she doesn't look like she is a secret rock-wahmen either, etc.

She is not as mighty as those Caatofags want her to be, however…

…her character remains consistent since the early of her introduction, that she actually had a conflicting view with Norisuke IV regarding the family’s ethic and moral value. This is about what we call “selflessness vs selfishness” again, and Caato’s view is more dominant in influencing Jobin.

Caato is not the mastermind controlling Jobin like a puppet like those Caatofags was promoting. Everything Jobin has done in this story is of his own will, starting from his cooperation with rock-humans, the struggle of the New Locacaca and the burning orchards. However, Jobin's way of thinking, motivation and ambition have been influenced by Caato's views and how she has nurtured him.

And in this chapter, Caato is being supportive towards Jobin like she had always been (read: chapter 59 and 64). Plus, Caato and Jobin’s Stand names being references to Deep Purple’s songs may signify their close relationship.

Looks like she just basically activated her Stand on the plant, it could be hidden whenever someone tried to come and get it but it wasn’t truly activated, at least that’s what the translation implies.

read it from right to left <---

「Wonder of U」 starts appearing behind Caato, does it mean that Caato really start harming Tooru? Another new feat of her Stand’s ability that it is able to fully hide a living being, which she uses to hide her grandson Tsurugi.

She makes Tooru to do equivalent exchange with dying Tsurugi while 「Wonder of U」is seen rushing towards Caato… end in cliffhanger. Probably my favorite page here. Basically, what Caato does is ‘two birds in one stone’ movement, breaking the Higashikata family’s curse by saving her grandson while eliminating Tooru.

And what could happen next?

My thought…

This chapter shows how awesome Caato truly is, starting from her soft side as a mother to her toughness against the enemy.

Araki is really doing her well, I thought there was no need to turn her into an antagonist with great power/influence or a silly plot twist that this unassuming grannie is the mastermind behind anything.

Caatofags had once described her as a mother who directs Jobin like a puppet and supervises Tooru as her subordinate whereas in reality, Araki has been portraying the three of them in a more balanced way rather than one being above anothers.

I really like her relationship with Jobin, I once said that they would make good partners if they were to be the final antagonists after Tooru, but sadly at this point I feel that Jobin is permanently dead.

There won’t be Yoshihiro-Yoshikage(like)’s cooperation against Josuke in this part… however, Caato continues to carry out her supportive role towards Jobin by trying to fulfill his main goal of curing Tsurugi and breaking the family curse.

Even so far, I haven't considered Caato as an antagonist, I still think of her as a 'wild card' for Josuke and Yasuho.

The mystery and next chapter prediction…

If this goes well, it looks like Caato's action in doing equivalent exchange to Tooru and Tsurugi will succeed in curing Tsurugi. The cracks on Tsurugi's face seemed to be diminishing. But with the 「Wonder of U」 following behind her, it shows that Caato's life too is in danger.

Then what will happen to the fully healed Tsurugi? Considering that the fusion happened to Josefumi and Kira does not make any of them 'alive' with their consciousness and instead creates a new consciousness we called “Josuke”, the new Tsurugi might not be the Tsurugi we know all along.

Besides, the equivalent exchange that happened on Tooru and Tsurugi is an exchange between rock-human and normal human and so far we still don't know what the effect will be. Will this be the answer to Tsurugi's weird behavior in the flashforward of chapter 83?

Then I also questioned about the harvest countdown of the New Locacaca in the flashforward, that in the previous chapter (106), the fruit in the pot was already gone. But in this chapter, there could be a possibility that Caato might hide the other parts of the plant (perhaps some branches) using her cards.

I think that there is starting to appear a slight hint linking the current events to the flashforward in chapter 83.

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JoJolion chapter 108: The End of Calamity

Aka. ‘The End of Tooru’

Chapter 108 just released guys, let's review it!

JJL chapter 108: The Last Calamity

Continuation of the last page in chapter 107, Caato uses The New Locacaca’s 'tree sap' to do equivalent exchange and cure Tsurugi. Then what about the little unripened fruit that Tooru ate? I think it should still have the ability of equivalent exchange, but considering Tsurugi's state and illness, it's like healing a burn with fire.

Not only that, Caato also destroys the plant completely, perhaps she thinks that “this fruit should never exist in this world” or so that Tooru doesn't get what he wants, but at least she got chance to use it to cure Tsurugi.

I slightly disagree with Tooru, I think the fruit can still be produced. Didn't the New Locacaca fruit exist because of planting the regular Locacaca one on the Higashikata's land (which has its own equivalent exchange ability). If those regular fruits are also extinct, then it is still possible.

I don’t know if the regular Locacaca is extinct, back in Holy’s lab, Rai has destroyed all the fruit stored there. But then in Doobie Wah arc (the fight with Aishou), it was implied by Yasuho that some of the Locacaca were stored around the stadium. Even if the Locacaca is no longer in Japan, can't we just get it back from New Guinea, where the fruit originally came from?

The thing I love most about JoJo and Araki is how his villains become lost & pathetic the moment they face their downfall, instead of being cool till the end.

So, this is really the end of Tooru? Instead of Josuke, it is Caato who actually defeat him? Him looking at the wasp and having his final nostalgia reminds me of Funny Valentine who had reminisced with the handkerchief his late father gave to him.

I thought Caato would be spared by the calamity because Tooru is already dead, but calamity still befalls and kills her in the end.

I think this is fair, because Caato has managed to do a lot of things (which should be considered threatening) to Tooru and got away with it while people like Josuke, Rai, Mitsuba and Jobin were very susceptible to calamity even with their very little actions.

That part was a bit confusing, but if I comprehend it right, Caato was using her cards to hide (and subdue) Tooru’s hand which happened to be carrying a saw. His hand and the saw was secured by Caato’s playing cards, she used his hand to crush the branches and she kept the cards on her side (waist) then the saw (aka calamity) kills her.

With Tooru’s demise, Yasuho started to resume her monologue (the thing she had done in the very first chapter of JoJolion). The main theme of this chapter 8 is about “breaking the curse.”

So that’s how the reason of Norisuke IV is in the body bag, it’s not about something evil Tsurugi will do to him, it's just an evacuation??

With this I am getting more convinced that the flashforward in chapter 83 will not happen, it gets retcon’ed. As time went on, my theories became more and more ridiculous and pointless.

Of course, seeing every new JJL chapters that keep releasing and deviating from the flashforward, I already suspected that that scene would not be realized. However, I was still optimistic and trying to find potential connection with the events that occurred during Wonder of You arc.

Maybe it's time for me to give up on the chapter 83 flashforward, but I'm still 'a little' hopeful that the current event (in chapter 108) occurs in a universe (belong to Josuke and Yasuho we know) and what happens in flashforward is an interdimensional event (something like D4C’s shenanigan).

But considering Yasuho’s monologue, I think it is highly unlikely.

Is Tooru really dead? Why does his Stand still exist? So, that’s why Caato can still be hit by calamity, Tooru isn't really dead yet??

Apparently, Tooru is indeed dead, but his will and Stand can still manifest. This is not the first time this happens in JJBA. There are posthumous Stands, notably 「Anubis」, 「Cheap Trick」 and 「Notorious B.I.G」. Perhaps 「Wonder of U」 becomes that kind of Stand. Even a ghost (a dead person) like Kira Yoshihiro can have his Stand, 「Atom Heart Father」.

Tooru is officially dead by Caato’s hand, a little disappointing because it wasn't Josuke who gives him final blow. However, he comes at the right time and eventually does the final blow to 「Wonder of U」, using his newly found ability, 「Soft&Wet」: Go Beyond.

By the way, the last panel of Josuke and Yasuho look wholesome.

My thought…

The fight from the previous chapter (107) continues immediately in this chapter (108). The death of Tooru and the end of calamity (WOU) were resolved quite satisfactorily.

But overall, this chapter is disappointing.

Because the way this chapter is handled, hints that we're really getting to the end of the story. Starting from the closing narration/monologue by Yasuho, the aftermath of the Higashikata family, the end of calamity and the implication that the flashforward in chapter 83 will not be realized.

My main issues from this chapter are the pacing and unresolved plotholes. The fight itself is quite well done.

Now let me talk about the fight first. A bit disappointing that Josuke did not have time to face Tooru directly, instead it became Caato’s job. However, this role is awesome for Caato. Symbolically speaking, Caato's character is a heavy reference from french playing cards. The cards are very commonly used for gambling and so on.

There's a term "trump card" and it has been discussed several times about Caato's role as ‘the trump card', but finally it was answered in this chapter (108) that Caato was the trump card in breaking the family curse of Higashikata and even in defeating the big villain.

For years Caato was believed to be the main villain, “she helds the trump card” “she is the mastermind”, etc. There were also those who believed that she would be the final villain ala AU!Diego. She has long been considered an antagonist or villain by readers, despite her never been in conflict with Josuke.

In the end, Caato is neither Valentine 2.0 nor AU!Diego 2.0. She's more like Gyro 2.0 in my opinion, she became Tooru's hardest hindrace and left space for Josuke to give WOU a final blow… at least in this chapter.

Still for the entire story, Yasuho is the true Gyro 2.0.

Disappointment behind satisfaction

Personally, I wished that this chapter didn't come out this month. This chapter should be out next or two months later.

Wasted potential of Tooru

Tooru's defeat did look satisfying, but not with his characterization. I expected a follow-up flashback regarding Tooru's past, at least how he was able to found and lead the rock-humans organization anonymously.

Besides, I also hope that Tooru is connected to the Higashikata's family curse, or at least in Johnny's death in the past. Being a rock-human makes him possible to be present in Johnny's flashback.

Johnny's sudden death from being crushed by a boulder looks like a result of calamity. Yeah, you can argue that he used his 「 Tusk Act 4 」 and that was the cause of his death, but couldn't a series of Stand attacks be under calamity's influence? We also had Lucy in that flashback. It would be dope if we get a flashback of Johnny, Lucy and Tooru in which they were connected and involved in the same events.

In case you can’t read the image as it's blurry from getting compressed, I will quote it for you:

Wonder of U is such a waste of potential to create a genuinely thrilling and exiting stand fight. Tooru didn't have to do jack shit on his part to fight back, all he had to do was keep his distance and miraculously the enemy would get one shot. There's no interactivity between Tooru or the enemy he's fighting.

Dio stopped time to dodge attacks and gain advantageous positions.

Kira created stalemates with his bombs and utilized range to keep his enemies at bay.

Diavolo percieved the enemies movements and skipped time to best utilize weakpoints in the enemies’ strategies.

Pucci knew when and how to strike, forcing his enemies into bad positions as he made a move.

Valentine manipulated his enemies to such an extent that three of them basically killed themselves, despite them being knowledgable of Valentine's potential.

I propose that this stand would be way better if it acted the way it did when we were first introduced to it.

If someone tries to chase either the stand or the stand user, then whenever they collide with something, it will deal immense damage to them. By actively moving towards Tooru or 「Wonder of U」, they would endanger themselves to possible hindrances which would severely impede, if not straight up kill them.

Then the stand suddenly gains the power to miraculously direct objects to collide WITH WHOEVER IS CHASING THEM. Not as before where they would collide with objects and get hurt, but where objects were redirected into their path to damage the pursuers. Even as much as damaging 「Wonder of U」 or Tooru is enough to instantly bend reality to instakill someone.

Now what if, instead, the stand and the user are genuinely vulnerable. The catch is that Tooru has to make an effort to put objects in the pursuer’s path. Walking through thick branches, throwing a bottle of water, closing doors, kicking up sand. These all present instakill scenarios, but there is an INTENT behind every attack. Creative problem solving for each attack.

Besides, there is also wasted potential in Josuke and Tooru's rivalry.

You know what annoys me more than the wasted potential of WOU? The wasted potential that was the Josuke - Tooru rivalry. They had such good setup, they were polar opposites thematically, they could have clashed earlier before we knew Tooru's real identity, but instead everything was drowned by “muh love triangle” that went nowhere, Rai's incessant babbling and Caato being shoehorned in the fight for “muh curse”.

Tooru's good two speeches about memories and The Locacaca were addressed to Caato instead of Josuke, which is absolute bullshit, because they don't make her doubt herself, anything, they don't make her flinch at all. They would have fit Josuke so much better. To add insult to injury, Araki had Josuke show up all triumphantly after Caato did all the work and ora ora whatever was left of WoU. In before Go Beyond, it lost all momentum after it was introduced.

Unresolved mysteries and plotholes

Actually, there are four misteries that should have already been answered:

We still don’t know what the point of the Wall Eyes

It’s JJL version of ‘Devil Palm’, it bestows Stand to the people living nearby. My theory is that it’s also connected with how the Higashikata’s land have equivalent exchange ability (besides Johnny’s death).

We still don’t know where did the bite marks came from

Isn’t it came from the Wall Eyes? It’s like ‘a mark’ for the Stand users who have been bestowed. Read more about it here.

We still don’t know what is Jobin’s hidden ability

When did we first hear that? Iirc, it was in chapter 63 (the end of Blue Hawaii arc), in the first page’s infobox. I can't remember that Jobin once said it on-screen.

What is clear, is that we started hearing “Jobin's hidden ability” long before his fight with Ojiro. Therefore I think, his hidden ability should have been revealed post that fight:

「Speed King」 has the primary ability to store heat and temperature within a short localized point. It can only affect objects within 10 centimeters, but it is shown that said objects can travel far away from Jobin and still be affected by Speed King's heat storage. For instance Ojiro Sasame could travel from the Higashikata House to downtown Morioh and still be affected.

At this point, we shall believe that this is the hidden ability that was hinted. Especially, as Jobin’s status is already dead, so we won’t likely see more of 「Speed King」.

We still don’t know the effects of eating a ripe New Locacaca

Wasn't Yasuho already eat the ripe fruit?

JJL chapter 101: The Wonder of You (The Miracle of Your Love) - part 18

If we still take into account the countdown, the time when Yasuho ate the fruit was around 2h11m before the harvest (which is pretty pointless at this point). I’m not a botanist, so I don’t really know, whether there is a difference between the fruit that is fully riped and the unripened fruit 'only' by 2 hours.

The effect in Yasuho shows that the New Locacaca can cure the recipient fully by exchanging the body part of someone who come into contact with her.

Why is it different from Josefumi and Kira? Maybe because when Josefumi did the exchange with Kira, Kira was already dead. Besides that, their bodies got buried in Higashikata’s soil, while Yasuho did not.

I think, 2 hours or not, the effect of the fruit won’t be much different.

We still don’t know why the new Locacaca healed Tsurugi instead of Tooru

This one, I will try to answer it with my theory. Tooru has eaten the small, unripened fruit. Tsurugi drinks its tree sap. I think both can be the 'recipient' of equivalent exchange (aka the one who will be cured).

Why, instead of recovering, Tooru is cracking? Because by doing 'exchange' with Tsurugi who is dying, it is the same as treating burns with fire. Why is Tsurugi cured despite Tooru was also badly beaten? I don’t know but perhaps this has something to do with Tooru being a rock-human… or also because of the comparison of Tsurugi's state, which is worse than Tooru.

Now, regarding the other misteries like the flashback man, the beach baby, Iwasuke, Karera’s goal, and hair clip rock-insect in my opinion are not something so crucial. They can be treated as trivial.

But the mystery that should have been vital to be resolved is:

“How is Holy gonna be saved now that the New Locacaca plant has been destroyed??”

It will be whether Holy immediately died following her children (aka. failed to be saved) or eventually cured.

But how can she be cured since the plant is already destroyed? As long as the next chapter hasn't been released yet, I still hold my theory that Caato hides a (New) Locacaca inside her cards.

Seeing that the cards are scattered on her body instead of perishing, it is possible that 「Space Truckin’」’s ability can still be used on those cards. Perhaps only Caato’s soul and the humanoid form of her Stand that departed. It’s possible that 「Space Truckin’」 works similar to 「Cream Starter」 in which if the user dies, the Stand can still be used at some point.

And with the one and only remaining fruit, it can be used to cure Holy (I am still pretty optimistic for that).

But what if Holy won't be safe? Doesn't this mean that Josuke has failed to achieve his goal as the main protagonist?

The purpose of Josuke

Josuke as the main protagonist in JJL has two main objectives: In the first half of JoJolion, he was looking for his identity. And he found it after he met Holy in chapter 58.

In the second half of JoJolion, he wants to cure Holy, a figure whom he acknowledged as his mother.

Perhaps Josuke (as a protagonist) has fullfiled his first objective but fails his second one.

Josuke’s Go Beyond, a wasted power-up

I shouldn't consider his power-up in vain, but the potential is also lacking as well. The mechanism is still very confusing: “breaking the logic of 「Wonder of U」, enables him to bypass WOU’s calamity and makes his attack capable to reach Tooru.”

Actually, in the mechanism there is nothing special in Go Beyond, he only sent out his bubbles (just like in the beginning of his debut) to his target. It's just that if his regular bubble-attack doesn't work on WOU, this one works as it bypasses the calamity.

「Star Platinum」: The World is very distinct from Jotaro’s regular attack at the beginning of part 3 that was just pure brute strength, it can stop time now.

「Killer Queen」: Bites The Dust can do a time loop now whereas Kira’s regular attack was just blowing up the stuff.

「Gold Experience Requiem」reverts actions and willpower back to the state of "zero", completely nullifying them and preventing them from becoming "real" (aka. Ctrl+Z), totally different with regular 「Gold Experience」who is able to make inanimated object into a biological object.

Even 「Tusk」: Act 4 as the upgrade of the previous Tusks, each (act) has a mechanism that is easily distinguished.

In addition to its unclear mechanism, the use of 'Go Beyond' is also very brief and seemed anticlimatic.

The mishandle of tree sap alternative

The tree sap alternative ruins the conflict that was built all this time, or more precisely it's poorly handled.

The findings that New Locacaca’s sap produces the effect of 'equivalent exchange' happened before Jobin and Caato. As I said before, their flashback happened before Ojiro’s fight.

If the sap can be used, why did Jobin went to great lengths to protect the plant? I mean, why did he 'keep the plant for himself and don't want to share'?

What is the point of fighting over the plant (and fruit) all this time?

To be fair, Tooru and Josuke’s gang did not know about the sap’s capability.

But thinking it again, Jobin's selfish attitude (read: keeping the fruit for himself) has something to do with his desire for the glory of his family business. Beside to cure Tsurugi, just like Tooru, he wanted to commercialize the fruit and sell it at a very high price.

Ok, forget about the conflict between Josuke, Tooru and Jobin. Speaking of narration, why were we wasting our time with the countdown of New Locacaca’s harvest? If in the end the fully ripe fruit never existed and Tsurugi & Yasuho were cured without it. Not only the non-existent harvest, even at this point, we won't reach the flashforward in chapter 83 (as I’m more sure that it won’t happen/aka. gets retcon’ed).

I think, it would be better if the tree sap’s capability was discovered by Josuke instead (or even Holy, the one who had even done secret research). After the fruit runs out (suppose Caato heals Tsurugi using the fruit instead of sap) and Tooru dies, Caato doesn't destroy the plant, allowing Josuke to despondently take the plant to Holy and discovers the benefits of the sap instead.

And lastly…

The origin of Higashikata’s family curse

This should be the main mystery to get resolved! Back to what I said earlier, this chapter (108) should be out next or two months later. For me, the chapter that should be the continuation of chapter 107 can be used for flashbacks. The cliffhanger in chapter 107 was done nicely. We shouldn't rush to finish it. Interrupting with flashbacks to explain the unanswered plotholes would be a wiser decision than what we got now.

The flashback about Tooru's personal past and also the origin of Higashikata’s family curse.

Like I said, I need to know how he was able to found and lead the rock-humans organization anonymously to the point of how he ended up being like this.

I also wished Tooru to be connected with the Higashikata's family curse, thereby strengthening his status as a major villain.

Imagine, a flashback, a chapter or two that tells the origin of Higashikata’s family curse, Tooru's past and also his encounters with Johnny and Lucy!!

What a shame, seeing how this chapter came to be, this will be just my wishful thinking (aka. headcanon). Why so? Tooru is done. Moreover, the expectation that there will be a posthumous shenanigan like how Funny Valentine using AU!Diego in SBR is also highly unlikely.

Because 「Wonder of U」 that manifested into the posthumous Stand was also instantly annihilated by Josuke.

Besides, when WOU sneaked into Norisuke IV's body, he might be able to possess and control him. Therefore, we can have a way to the more satisfying final fight with Josuke vs WOU and another chance to put the flashback that can close the hole from the remaining plotholes!

Next chapter prediction…

I don’t know, at this point I think we likely will get a neat epilogue. Even Yasuho has started monologuing in this chapter. After we see the aftermath of the Higashikata, maybe next month we will see Josuke and Holy’s aftermath.

Plus, it’s nice to see more about Caato’s Stand and that it is eventually named. But seems like we will never see Holy’s Stand and its name, just like Kujo Holy in part 3.

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JoJolion: How does Joshu-Yasuho-Tooru work?

The X-Files theme intensifies...

Many readers doubt Tooru's status as a major villain, their main complaint was that he appeared too late in the story and the lack of foreshadowing about his existence. However, what if his existence had been hinted from the beginning of the story? As we all know that he is:

After that we do see that Tooru and Yasuho have memories in the past as lovers:

Although some readers suspect that those memories are just fabrication made by Tooru, that he put a false memory on Yasuho as the Qing dynasty’s hairclip did in chapter 71.

Then I remembered that at the beginning of JoJolion, in Yasuho's first debut, she mentioned that she had kissed someone. This made me wonder that, was the person Yasuho kissed was Tooru?

However, the man's appearance looked more like Joshu.

And the problem is that Yasuho doesn't like Joshu, then how did they ever kiss?

Joshu himself admitted that he had kissed Yasuho. I thought that maybe Joshu was just making it up at the time. The odd thing about their relationship is: Yasuho never showed that she liked Joshu or at least had a romantic memory with him. The closest relationship between Yasuho and Joshu that have ever hinted is that they were childhood friends.

Perhaps they were once close, Norisuke IV and Jobin themselves even thought that Yasuho was Joshu's girlfriend.

And Yasuho's relationship with the Higashikata family seems pretty good as they welcomed her (Yasuho surely knows them well enough if she knows what Daiya likes).

But Yasuho has absolutely no romantic memories of Joshu or a reaction that suggest it, unlike when she was with Tooru.

Yasuho never blushed like that when she was with Joshu, the closest thing was during the 「Paper Moon King」 arc aka Tsurugi’s prank:

But that happened when Yasuho came under the deception of the PMK, where she couldn't recognize anyone because everyone's faces were the same. She thought that Joshu at that time was Josuke, then misunderstandings ensued.

Even so, I still think that the person Yasuho meant when they had kissed (back in chapter 1) was Joshu, not Tooru. How did they ever kiss even though she never liked Joshu? This makes me uneasy but I think it was possible that Yasuho was forced, or at least been reluctant to do so.

This was implied in her first debut in chapter 1, she was hiding from the man she has ever kissed once, Joshu. She wanted Joshu to go somewhere else, far away from her spot.

It’s still weird though, because as long as Yasuho met Joshu again after that incident, she no longer had any reaction to him (either embarrassed, reluctance or hostility).

Though there was a moment when Yasuho rejected Joshu's calls several times, showing that she was reluctant to face him (something easy enough for me to sympathize).

Numerous questions popped into my head:

When and where did the kissing take place?

Why would Yasuho be willing to kiss Joshu? Was there an ulterior motive from her or was she purely forced? (she was quite close to the Higashikata family)

Has she ever really liked Joshu in the past? (of course I can understand that she doesn't like him anymore :P)

How can Norisuke IV and Jobin think that Yasuho is Joshu's girlfriend? Did they kiss at Joshu's house (and they happened to watch them)? Or does Joshu often talk about Yasuho to them and claims that he is dating her? (I believe more in the later)

But, my biggest questions are:

Does Joshu know that Yasuho was dating Tooru during high school?

Why doesn't Yasuho have any reaction to Joshu but react to the memories she had with Tooru?

Yasuho was playing to Joshu's house quite often as a kid to the point that she knows what his younger sister Daiya likes,but it seems that she only recently became acquainted with Mitsuba.

It makes sense because Mitsuba only joined the Higashikata family through marriage since around ten years ago… which meant that Yasuho might have rarely been in contact with the family during those ten years.

So it might have also been possible if the news that Yasuho was dating Tooru did not reach Joshu. I'm sure that Yasuho just has been in contact with Joshu again because they went to the same university, which means that Yasuho has (probably) broken up with Tooru, so it didn't matter anymore for Joshu to know that Yasuho was dating Tooru.

I hope we will back to the Higashikata’s house soon to see what will happen between Joshu, Yasuho, and Tooru, the continuation of chapter 98 which will answer about what is happening to them and also how the flashforward scene in chapter 83 can happen.

This post is indeed confusing, but at least I’m not roasting the hypes for a grannie who hasn't done anything at all during this climax event.

And f*ck Joshu and Tooru! Leave Yasuho alone! Only Josuke deserves her.