#jjl flash forward scene

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Which fruit will ripen soon?

Let’s back to think about the flash forward scene in chapter 83, the most confusing part of JoJolion's story.

This flash forward supposedly happens 13 minutes prior to the harvest of The New Locacaca:

JJL chapter 83: The New Locacaca

And since we returned to the previous (events) 7 days until now, we still haven't reached that flash forward yet!!!

Now, the recent chapter 106 of JoJolion told us that the last remaining fruit on the pot is gone??!

JJL chapter 106: Go Beyond

I can’t tell right now, whether this flash forward is still relevant to the plot.

There are also some speculations regarding the merge theory, whether it will be Tooru-Jobin, Jobin-Caato, or Caato-Tooru or… or could it be that Tooru will fuse with Tsurugi instead??

Given that it is Tsurugi who acts weird in the chapter 83’s flash forward and considering that the fruit Tooru just ate was still small and unripened, it was possible that the only individual available to be exchanged/merged is the ten years old Tsurugi.

Honestly, I have started to give up making theories about this flash forward. At this point, I’m not sure if this thing is still relevant to the plot.

Paper Moon King’s other role & California King Bed’s possibly involvement (JoJolion)

I got some JoJo fans’ interesting short-term theories of these Stands’ involvement during this current climax arc (last: chapter 96):

The Higashikata younger siblings got their memory about their father’s (Norisuke IV) gravely condition wiped, the ability to take particular part of the memory, California King Bed might be involved.

Tsurugi we saw in chapter 83 is not Tsurugi we currently see in latest chapter (96), could be another deception of Paper Moon King.

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JoJolion Cardspiracy: Caato as the mastermind behind the cooperation of Higashikata and Damokan group

The theory that is still popular among Caatofags is that Caato is the real mastermind behind the collaboration between Higashikata and Damokan group. How can this theory develop?

The timing of Caato’s first appearance

She appeared just after Damo was eliminated. Damo Tamaki, the leader of Damokan group (aka. the Locacaca smugglers) was the very first candidate to be the main villain. He was the last member of Damokan group who was still alive, after Damo died which became the end of the group, Caato’s introduction with her cool & mysterious vibe led to the hype from the readers. Moreover, she also has motivation.

The issue:

In my opinion, it is too hasty to conclude such, we were not sure if Damokan group is the only dangerous group that is at odds with Josuke. The end of the Blue Hawaii arc even revealed the existence of a larger and more dangerous organization than Damokan group.

Then let’s say, if the more dangerous group is led by Caato, for what Dolomité considers Jobin (her son) a mere gofer. Why would she let him divulge Jobin’s name offhand to Josuke?

Since then (until chapter 98) we have not seen any (impactful) actions carried out by Caato behind the scenes, something naturally should have been started by the main villain (like Tooru).

She has dimensional Stand ala D4C , the Stand of the previous main villain. She just hasn't shown its full capabilities yet

There are various speculations about the true nature of Caato’s Stand that liken it to D4C, just because of the caught in between two objects mechanism both Stands have.

The issue:

Sure, she is able to send objects to an invisible dimension just like Valentine, but such ability is not exclusively similar to D4C. Stands such as 「Cream」, 「Sticky Fingers」, 「The Hand」, 「Enigma」 (even 「Man in the Mirror」) also have similar abilities, conjuring pocket dimension and/or sending objects to otherworldly dimension (albeit their mechanism varies). I have also explained more about Caato’s Stand here: Caato’s Stand and its mechanism so far.

There is nothing wrong in speculating but we should have waited for more of her feats. So let me just drop this:

With her Stand, Caato can operate behind the scenes prison ala Polpo

This still related to the hype of her Stand. During her first intro, she pulled out a cellphone using her Stand. What was really strange at the time was the model of the phone, an observant reader found that the model of Caato’s phone resembles Docomo Sharp SH-11C which came out around 2011.

Logically, she couldn’t have that phone if she was put in jail in the mid-90’s (1996). Caatofags believe that this is purely by the power of her Stand, this somehow becomes their proof that she can interact with the outside world during her incarceration. There are many speculations that she was able to communicate with people outside or use her Stand over long distances or even go as far as to think that she can take objects from another dimension/world ala D4C (why do they always liken her Stand to D4C so much as if it is D4C 2.0? Are they really underestimating Araki’s creativity?).

The issue:

Unfortunately, with so little information we get from Caato, I can only respond their speculation with another speculation. As Caato was able to make contact with Jobin (when she was still incarcerated in Stone Ocean prison), it is possible that she had been in communication with Jobin (privately) for about 15 years. Is it by using her Stand? Maybe, but it’s not necessarily just by that. Surely Jobin can still see her through family visits, though it's pretty strict in Japan.

But their chance to communicate remained. Given that both are Stand users, their deception will not be easily detected by ordinary people. I think there was chance for Jobin to give her the most up-to-date phone and Caato hid the phone using her cards. I'm not sure if she was allowed to bring her cards during family visits.

But apparently the warden allowed it, as they considered it nothing dangerous and suspicious. Therefore, that's what actually could have happened.

The timing of Jobin met Damokan group for the first time vs Kira who discovered the relation between Higashikata and Damokan group

By the complexity of JoJolion’s plot and various mysteries that emerge, it is understandable that sometimes we lost track of the time, especially considering Araki’s current style that likes to put flashback and flash forward randomly. It is the confusion about timeline that makes some readers suspect that Jobin cannot possibly cooperate with Damokan group on his own behalf. Especially those who believe that Kira’s discovery of Higashikata and Damokan group’s cooperation happened before Jobin started working with them, coupled with the possibility of Caato being able to operate behind the scenes, it makes them even more believe in her involvement.

The issue:

I will try to explain how the chronology actually happened. When did Higashikata start making contact with Damokan group? It all started by Norisuke IV innocently.

JJL chapter 30: King Nothing

JoJolion started in 2011, so three years ago was around 2008. Around that year, Norisuke IV got acquainted with Yotsuyu, interested in his talent, he offered him a job as his architect to design his mansion and the tea house. It’s not out-of-character for Norisuke IV as he also did the same thing with Rai ( hiring him for his talent).

JJL chapter 72: The Northern Higashikata Estate, The Orchard

After he got hired by Norisuke IV, Yotsuyu met Jobin at the stadium when he was still in the process of designing a new house for Higashikata (as we can see his drawing), thus I suspect that it was still around the same year (2008). What Jobin said implied that he had known Yotsuyu before, but here at this stadium, he met with the rest of Damokan group. Just as previously he was having an argument with his father (Norisuke IV) regarding the difference in their business outlook, family honor and so on. Of course the temptation to make more money made Jobin willing to work with Damokan group and get involved in their illicit business.

Then a year later (2009), Kira Yoshikage who worked as cargo ship doctor discovered the existence of Rock Human (Aisho) aboard his ship. Out of curiosity about Rock Humans, Kira found their association with Higashikata Parlor Fruit.

JJL chapter 49: Hato-chan Brought a Boyfriend Over – part 3

When Kira found out about this, they had already been importing these illegal fruits several times. The Rock Humans disguised as rocks for use in an artificial garden, I suspect this deception was planned by Yotsuyu (Damokan group) and Jobin. I also believe that at least the renovation was in progress at the time, so both guys were tricking Norisuke IV and unrelated common people (which unfortunately an unrelated individual Kira discovered it by accident). In short, it makes sense that they were already doing their shady business at this point.

Still from the same chapter (49), Hato did say that her family had rebuilt the house two years ago (2009). That means, Yotsuyu’s house renovation began in 2008 and were completed in 2009. If the renovation was completed that year, can they still do the smuggling? They can, given that Norisuke IV also assigned Yotsuyu to design their tea house. And during 「I Am a Rock」 arc, Yotsuyu still lived in the basement of the Higashikata family, meaning that he was still being hired there (until his demise).

Caato claims that she has helped the Higashikata business for 15 years

JJL chapter 58: Dawn at The Higashikata House

Caato stated that she also had a role in the success of the Higashikata family business for 15 years. Quite impressive that one-line from her carries a considerable amount of hype from Caatofags. Hadn't she been jailed for 15 years? The 15 years she said happened to coincide with the length of time she was in prison coupled with the speculation that she can act behind the bar, both of which become hints to support the theory that she was involved in smuggling and money-laundering with Damokan group. Quote from one of her fags:

Caato claims to be the only reason the family Fruit Parlor is so successful, she is the main suspect for the one who contacted the rock humans originally and brought them to Morioh in the first place.

And she can’t be the only reason because her line clearly said: “…are thanks to me, too.”

The issue:

The hype actually makes sense if you combine several points that I have gathered above. However, this word might also have different meaning, it’s possible that 15 years she meant is the time during her marriage with Norisuke IV prior to her incarceration and divorce. When she got arrested, Jobin was a teenager who was around 15 or older (actually he was 17 at the time=1996-1979). But if they had indeed been married for 15 years at that time, does this mean that Jobin was conceived out of wedlock? Sorry I did not mean to accuse.

Even if her 15 years of contribution was done during her time in prison, how is that automatically related to the smuggling of Locacaca? I don’t think that Damokan group started operating as long as 15 years ago, at least there is no hint yet that the Rock Humans (and Locacaca) had been invading Morioh 15 years ago.

Even if we try to sort them, Damokan group (and other Rock Humans) barged into the life of Higashikata (Kira Holy and many JoJolion characters) with chronology like this:

Wu Tomoki became a doctor trusted by Mitsuba (unknown timeline, but it can’t be more than 10 years ago)

Damo dated Hato (the exact timeline is unknown but Hato stated they'd only met recently during her modeling work)

Tooru dated Yasuho during her high school days and broke up a year ago (2008-2010)

Yotsuyu and Damokan group met Jobin at stadium and started working together (2008)

Yotsuyu was offered to work by Norisuke IV (2008)

Holy began to fall ill as the hospital gained a new number of doctors as well as a new Head Doctor (unknown timeline, 2005-2009: as long as we’re sure when exactly she started to fall ill)

All of these happened no more than 10 years ago (let alone 15 years ago), if indeed Caato has contributed for 15 years and it has something to do with the Rock Humans (particularly Damokan group), why their actual action has only happened recently? Perhaps at that time she was still making plans before they began to act, but 5 years planning with no action, for what? Tbh that’s pretty silly for a mastermind.

Even if the points above were indeed orchestrated by her, it still doesn't make sense. Why would she sacrifice her own family to be taken advantage by the Rock Humans? Well, I can see that to Norisuke IV as she holds a grudge against him. But how can she let the rock humans take advantage of her own children, Jobin and Hato? We know that she cares to them, even when the later was wary of her. I don’t think that Caato is willing to put her children at risk, remember how Damo almost murdered the entirety of the Higashikata Family in the house? That would contradict her character in her flashback (chapter 64).

Even if Caato is the one who introduced Damokan group to Jobin behind the scenes, it does not necessarily make her a mastermind, rather she might be a Yoshihiro who gathered several allies to assist Jobin (this alone is still speculation).

Even so, I still hope that the mystery (and the meaning) behind the 15 years she talked about will be answered someday.

Read further: What actually happened in Mamezuku Rai’s past? (chapter 99 spoilers)

Do the readers (Caatofags) credit her too much?

Now, I’d like to try to assess the extent to which Caato is able to plot something as an antagonist (even with very limited data).

She had Docomo Sharp SH-11C, if an internet connection is available inside the prison, chances are she can obtain information via internet, she can also get it from Jobin via message. It is not surprising if she learned about Rock Humans and/or Locacaca from Jobin.

Her comment regarding of the renovation, this might have double meaning, either she just realized that the house has been renovated or simply commented about the renovation. Take a note that the renovation was done two years ago (when she was still in prison). If it is the later, it means that she knows Yotsuyu. Therefore, she might have connection with Damokan group. Or it could be the other way around, Jobin could have told her about the renovation (and the architect who have been working on it).

JJL chapter 59: Dolomité’s Blue Lagoon – part 1

Just before Dolomité arc began, Caato called Jobin and notified him that his father and Josuke were planning something, something that unfortunately she did not know what. However, due to her experience of having been married to Norisuke IV, she takes note on his habit so she found out about something fishy he was hiding. Impressive? Nope (for mastermind standard), but that was enough to help Jobin. This also shall disprove fan’s speculation that she can use her Stand to gather information remotely.

But I shouldn't discredit her wits either, she is quite intelligent in using deductive logic. Though still, this doesn’t automatically make her the mastermind as there are plenty highly intellectual characters in JJBA.

If it is confirmed that Caato was involved in Damokan group’s shady business…

To be honest, even if this will be confirmed one day, at this point, I think it's too late and no longer have any significant impact. But I still have an interest in this matter so actually, I made a diagram about the Locacaca dispute and the players involved in it, including fan’s popular theory that links Caato with Rock Humans-Jobin.

So, even if she is involved in it, it's still quite difficult to think of her as the main villain. Her motivation (which sounds pretty cool) can’t really compete with others, even to Jobin due to her estrangement from her family. How is her relationship with Tsurugi compared to Jobin-Tsurugi? It is almost non-existent.

Then what about her grudge against Norisuke IV (the struggle for the throne)? I think that won't have much impact on Josuke, the main protagonist, especially if it is fortune that becomes her focus. Although it might still be able to affect Josuke if Norisuke IV's life was taken because of that. I’m also quite lazy to talk more about this because this still has nothing to do with Locacaca.

The main problem here is Locacaca, which is the main focus of the story in JoJolion. Caato has a relative weak link to it and this is still in hypothetical scenario! We all know that the three factions: Josuke, Jobin and The Head Doctor (Tooru) are fighting over it. Where will we put Caato? Behind Jobin, I guess. But what's worse is the fact that until now (chapter 98), there are absolutely no hint of the connection between Caato and Locacaca.

TL;DR There is still not enough data available to prove the relationship between Caato and Damokan group (and Locacaca). So far Caatofags still rely more on speculation than on actual data and feats. Even if her involvement is confirmed, her link is quite weak compared to the other factions.

See also:

JoJolion: The Main Villain and The Red Herring

PS: I decided to change the spelling of 「Kaato」 into 「Caato」 from now on because it should be Caato, not Kaato (although I prefer the former one because it’s more Japanese feel and less ridiculous). Because of this, you might find several of my previous posts are edited.

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The most-hyped character in JoJolion who has been hyped by her devoted supporters for approximately 4 years (I’m not joking, her last appearance was in chapter 64 which released in April 19th 2017!!) finally made her reappearance, even though it's just ... one page in the last page. I hope her actual appearance and role from now on will soon subdue any wild speculation from her supporters.

JJL chapter 106: Go Beyond (the chapter title will likely be changed by Araki later… I think)

She finally stopped relaxing on her hammock and shocked with what had happened to the Higashikata family after she witnessed the chaos with her own eyes (imagine seeing all your children dying right now). This makes me want to call out some of those Caatofags who believed that Caato's love to her family (especially her children) was just an act.

Before this chapter can be enjoyed by global readers, the cover leak from the UJ Issue had come in our hands first:

It shows Tsurugi (and his origami), Jobin’s beetles and playing cards which obviously the hint for Caato, my mind as a simple reader was simply thinking that after Jobin and Tsurugi, this time it will be Caato's turn to come and get a role, because the playing cards are between Yasuho and Tooru (who are currently the main focus in this story).

However, I think Caatofags still hasn't stopped to overthink anything:

getting the main villain crown: Caato vs Tooru

And knowing what happened to Kei just after she made her significant (re)appearance for a long time, overhyping Caato will likely result in disappointment (call me evil, but I personally want this to be the reality that will hit those Caatofags so hard).

Just imagine if this is what would happen in the next chapter:

Or what if this will happen in the next chapter?

I will love it if this will happen , but there is also Yasuho there who seems to still be capable to tell the truth so I think this is highly unlikely... unless Caato chooses not to trust Yasuho instead- but Mitsuba is still conscious as well to tell the truth so... dunno. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Now, let me analyze a single page of Caato’s newest (re)appearance:

First, there are slight changes to her design, I think this minor change indicates that her most recent scene this time happens on a different day from the day she last appeared. It is also a nice depiction that Caato's appearance is not just glued to a single dress, making this feel more realistic.

So don’t start with another dumb theory that this one is different/AU!Caato or an ‘impostor’ (and worse... she has fused with Jobin)!!

Second, that there is a 'thought box' (a kind of speech bubble) that said “K… Kaato-san?”. Whose thought box is this? Yasuho? Or Tooru? What's interesting here is that we still don't know whether Yasuho or Tooru knows about Caato, or that they had met her before.

Caato only appeared in chapters 58 (and 59) when she has interacted with other known characters: her family (ex-husband and children), Josuke and Kei. Yasuho did not seem to be there (at Higashikata's house) at that time.

Therefore, whoever recognizes Caato, they must have met or known Caato at some time in the past! (I think it's Yasuho though, she could have found out about Caato through 「Paisley Park」) or a well-known news about Caato’s crime in the past.

I think the biggest issue is… that most readers think that the flash forward happens in chapter 83 will not involve Tooru. They treat that when the flash forward happens, Tooru was already gone and his arc has ended. They are too fixated on the parallelism between part 7 and part 8, as during High Voltage arc featuring AU!Diego, Funny Valentine had already perished and ended his direct role there (only indirectly served as the mastermind posthumously). In fact, what if Tooru hasn't died yet when the flash forward happens? Or what if it's still part of his scheme?

Their parallelism is a bit contradictory as well. High Voltage arc was just a closing arc that ended Funny Valentine’s role as the main villain, the arc was still part of his final plan. However, most readers in JoJolion do not consider the flash forward in chapter 83 as part of Tooru’s role, a possibility that he might still be involved in it. They simply think that “this shit with Tooru will end soon and a whole separated final arc regarding Higashikata family will begin”, even though what happened in Part 7 with AU!Diego is far from such thing.

My thought of what will Caato do in the next chapter? My current prediction is still based on my previous posts, that she will try to find a way to save her family’s life, especially Jobin.

But there is also a creative anon from 4chan who provides very hilariously in-character prediction as well:

Caato’s potential role towards the end of JoJolion

Caato, Kyo Kei and Karera, the three women who are often missed by readers to have a role (once) again in JoJolion. Readers were also often used to joke that Araki forgot about them (hence “Araki forgot” lol).

However, in recent chapter (102), Holy’s daughter Kei makes her appearance once again. We’ll see her in action soon at this climactic arc of “Wonder of You”.

This proves that Araki has not forgotten Nijimura Kei, the daughter of Holy Joestar.

This also makes readers (especially Caato’s fans) hope that Caato will also reappear and have a role.

Will Caato appear again?

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Caato’s involvement with the flashforward in chapter 83

And yeah, Tooru does fuse with Tsurugi instead!!!

Just when the previous chapter of 106 released, the fact that the New Locacaca’s fruits on the pot had run out, made me question which fruit would ripen soon in the countdown of the flashforward in chapter 83??

However, the latest chapter of 107 which has just been released recently shows the possibility that Caato might be hiding another pot or (even just) part of the plant using her Stand.

Is the countdown for the New Locacaca Caato is currently hiding right now? But we still don’t know whether she is truly hiding the fruit inside her cards.

In addition, in this latest chapter, Caato also managed to make Tooru to do equivalent exchange with dying Tsurugi. Seems like it will be effective in curing Tsurugi, because the cracks on Tsurugi's face seem to be diminishing.

But how will this 'equivalent exchange' actually work? This equivalent exchange that happened on Tooru and Tsurugi is an exchange between rock-human and normal human, so far we still don't know what the effect will be.

Considering as well that the fusion happened to Josefumi and Kira does not make any of them 'alive' with their consciousness and instead creates a new consciousness we called “Josuke”, the new Tsurugi might not be the Tsurugi we know all along. Could this be the answer to Tsurugi's weird behavior in the flashforward of chapter 83?

In my opinion, the newest chapter of 107 implies that Jobin is permanently dead, at least what becomes Caato's focus right now is to fulfill Jobin's goal of curing Tsurugi and breaking the family curse. This Anon from 4chan definitely still expecting Caato to bring back Jobin just like my past speculation.

The chapter ends on a cliffhanger where both Tooru and Caato appear to be in grave danger, it looks like Caato gets the upperhand however, readers have repeatedly missed predicting Tooru's death in the next chapters. So, I won’t say that Tooru will be done in the next chapter, we shall wait for the next chapter to confirm anything.

Another thing that needs to be considered in the upcoming chapter 83’s flashforward is the state of the Higashikata family's house right now. In chapter 106, due to the impact of plane’s panel, the roof in the living room had collapsed and yet, the condition of the house in the flashforward looks fine:

JJL chapter 106 and chapter 83

Does the ‘time reset’ have a role in this? However, this scene is actually a flash forward, not a time loop like 「Bite The Dust」 did in part 4.

The last countdown was in the chapter 97 (the scene when Tooru was vibing while listening to Elvish Presley): [2 hours 11 minutes until the harvest of the new Locacaca], so this event in chapter 107 can’t be happened on a different day than the flashforward!

Regarding the harvest and the repaired roof, is it possible for both of these things to happen within 2 hours to flashforward?

During the fight between Jobin-Tsurugi vs Ojiro, which happened 3 days ago according to the countdown, Jobin said that the New Locacaca fruit can be harvested in the next 3 days.

JJL chapter 88: The Wonder of You (The Miracle of Your Love) – part 5

If Caato is currently hiding the branch of New Locacaca, How is it possible for her to grow the fruit until it is available to be harvested within 2 hours? Unless…:

JJL chapter 94: The Wonder of You (The Miracle of Your Love) – part 11

In chapter 94, when Norisuke IV was investigating Ojiro’s death and caught Jobin hiding a pot of the New Locacaca’s plant, the fruits that grew at that time were not only 2, but 3 (4 if we count the fallen fruit as well).

There were only 2 fruits left in the pot when Yasuho was against Tooru, but it can be assumed that Caato might have kept another fruit from that pot.

If Caato is indeed hiding the New Locacaca now, when did she do it? Her flashback with Jobin was about sometimes ago before the fight with Ojiro. The fight happened in 3 days 1 hour 19 minutes before the harvest.

Then the scene when Norisuke IV caught Jobin (the fallen New Locacaca’s pot) happened when Yasuho/「Paisley Park」 was getting flushed in the toilet by Jobin. The later event should have occured on the same day as the current event (chapter 107 with Tooru) in which the pot in chapter 94 still had at least 3 fruits. The event in chapter 94 happened around 3 hours 24 minutes before the harvest and the last countdown (when Tooru was vibing) is 2 hours 11 minutes.

For more details, just check this post: JoJolion Timeline LOG

The bottom line is, Caato may have just hidden a New Locacaca on her visit today, where she found Jobin lying dead. The pot rolled down when Jobin fell, and in the next scene Joshu took the pot where there were only 2 fruits left in it!!

Then what about Caato's flashback demonstrating her Stand ability to the pot in front of Jobin? If you read the lines carefully, she only basically activated her Stand on the plant that it could hide the plant whenever someone tried to come and get it, but it wasn’t truly activated, in other words: “my Stand is capable to help you anytime Jobin, just tell me when you need it in the future!” That’s why she also said to Jobin to keep growing the fruit in the room, because she may thought that it is pointless for her to hide an unripened fruit(?)

Therefore, I assume that Caato just hid the fruit in present day (chapter 107)!! If she doesn't survive the next chapter (considering 「Wonder of U」 is after her), maybe she left the cards that contain the fruit to Mitsuba in exchange of Tsurugi. Perhaps 「Space Trucking」 works like 「Cream Starter」 in which if the user dies, the Stand can still be used at some point.

While this may answer the first mystery regarding the fruit that can be harvested soon, I still can’t find the answer regarding the state of the Higashikata’s house, how can the collapsed roof be perfectly repaired within 2 hours?

PS: I just discovered that I can't reblog with more than 10 pictures anymore... what a backward update.

Paper Moon King’s other role & California King Bed’s possibly involvement (JoJolion)

I got some JoJo fans’ interesting short-term theories of these Stands’ involvement during this current climax arc (last: chapter 96):

The Higashikata younger siblings got their memory about their father’s (Norisuke IV) gravely condition wiped, the ability to take particular part of the memory, California King Bed might be involved.

Tsurugi we saw in chapter 83 is not Tsurugi we currently see in latest chapter (96), could be another deception of Paper Moon King.

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