#jesus fuck y'all mra types are bloody exhausting

[jodjuya]

It's because those "systems of power and oppression" are highly situational outside of those having to do with wealth and often in the eye of the beholder.

"there's no such thing as forests! Trees are the only thing that actually exist!"

And "patriarchy" literally means "father-rule," so from that angle, it is unfairly blaming only men for something both men and women are responsible for.

"patriarchy" is specific jargon referring to specific clusters of related concepts. That 'dictionary definition' angle is a very dumb angle to pin your argument on. Worthless rhetoric. Maybe next time hit up Wikipedia instead of thesaurus dot com?

Shit, dude, I even literally said so myself in my own post that both men and women uphold patriarchy; that men aren't being exclusively blamed for it. Are you trying to use my own point as a gotcha against me??

Plus, what's wrong with being a libertarian (in the original sense of the term, not "conservative who smokes weed")? I honestly think collectivist thought causes a lot of trouble because it's pitting people against each other based on characteristics over which they have little or no control, and it's an easy out for people who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

Pretty dumb thing to think, but you do you. 🤷🏻‍♂️

As for the "MRA" thing, I want actual equality. God forbid that I think outside the feminist box and not mindlessly kowtow to women just because they're women.

Seem to be carrying a pretty big chip on your shoulder there, bud.

Again, you do you, but I ain't doing any mindless kowtowing, and I don't know why you would possibly think that's on the agenda here. Have you been picking fights with lesbian separatists or something? Very weird take, my guy.

And I AM one of "the queers."

Congratulations.

I do consider myself left-leaning, but I don't toe the party line on everything because I take each individual idea thrown at me into consideration.

The bold refreshing taste of centrist libertarianism, yum yum! You have definitely earned the privilege of buying yourself a cookie for being such a radical free-thinker!! 🍪

That said, you really don't seem to have much of a defense for your own ideas here past attacking me personally. I may be bitter and cynical from having progressive groups pull the rug out from under me time and time again, but at least I can go after your ideas and not you as a person.

WHAT ideas had you put forward lmao?? I'm supposed to type out an entire PhD dissertation of Men's Liberation apologetics to justify my beliefs to some random anonymous dingus trying to hijack my positivity posting by bitching about how "um actually, feminism is a bad thing didn't you know??"

Sulk about it all you like, but that doesn't stop your worthless clown opinions being the worthless opinions of a clown. Why should I bother wasting my time engaging sincerely with a sealion, when nothing you have put forward deserves any response more in-depth than "cool story bro 🤡"?

And, fuck, dude, you were the one to bring up feminism, not me. That chip on your shoulder is a deep one all right.

The message behind the flag is condescending and trivializes the issues of men, all while putting the blame on men for said issues.

No, it isn't, and no, it doesn't.

It's just a bunch of idealistic symbolism. It ain't that deep, bro.

The insistence of including "white privilege" in "lore" speaks to a very liberal, very Western understanding of the world that does not account for the experiences of men from non-white majority countries. It also reduces whiteness to a monolith, much like blackness is reduced to a monolith in Western discourse in general. White ethnic minorities do, in fact, exist and face actual, tangible repression. Sometimes, from non-white people, too. And Asian racism (e.g. Japanese racism towards the Chinese, Chinese racism towards the Vietnamese, ect.) is widely considered to be some of the worst around.

Wow! I had no idea that the anglophone author of this flag—who used American English to post his thoughts about anglophone symbolism on an American website—was thinking specifically about the problems caused by white-supremacy in western societies! What dazzling insight!!! Can't believe I literally never ever noticed that before!! 😱

Man, the fucking audacity of that fucking guy choosing to stay in his lane! What an asshole! Can you even believe that he didn't speak over Asian men to talk about the problems faced by men in Asian societies?!?!?

I defy you to explain how white privilege plays any part in the concentration camps run by CCP to eradicate the identity of the Uyghur people.

And I defy you to not be a fucking idiot, so I guess we're at an impasse. Oh no.

It's also not very aesthetically pleasing

Cry me a river lol

I want to know how you could think the choice to use hot pink to denote GBT men is appropriate, or the association of male homosexuality, bisexuality, and transness as gender non-conformity, especially considering historical adittudes towards them.

"The pink Mars symbol represents gender non-conformity and the redefining of what it means to be male IN CONTRAST WITH THE RESTRICTIVE TRADITIONAL MASCULINITY OF THE PAST, representing LGBTQ+ and gender-nonconforming men and masculine people. This symbol faces "backwards" because there is no wrong way to be a man."

OH BOY! I sure do love being on this website: double-you double-you double-you dot Reading dash Comprehension dot com! Truely a sublime experience!! ONLY the finest minds congregate here, yes sir!

Also, it wasn't my choice - I'm not the flag's author. All I did was copy and paste an old Reddit post because I thought it was cool. All you've done is clog up my notes with your whiny bleating about how girls have cooties, ew yuck, we better not listen to their ideas!

The whole damn thing is so tone-deaf. This is why no one likes the "Men's Lib" movement. You want to have it both ways by insisting that you are a movement that advocates for men, but what you really are is garden variety feminism, with a blue coat of paint.

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This flag is a celebration of Men's Liberation and its core values of intersectionality, the subversion of norms, and a dismantling of the patriarchy.

The dark-colored Mars symbol represents intersectional masculinity. The oppression faced by members of marginalized communities, such as men of color and mentally ill men, is often compounded and exacerbated by their gender in unique ways, and this symbol represents the inclusion of these men and our community's goal of examining men's issues through an intersectional lens.

The pink Mars symbol represents gender non-conformity and the redefining of what it means to be male in contrast with the restrictive traditional masculinity of the past, representing LGBTQ+ and gender-nonconforming men and masculine people. This symbol faces "backwards" because there is no wrong way to be a man.

The white Mars symbol represents privilege and the active dismantlement of the patriarchy. Men, especially straight white men, are socialized into a position of power within an oppressive hegemony. This symbol faces downwards to represent how the power that comes with privilege must be consciously relinquished in order for prejudice to be unlearned and equality to be created.

The arrows from the three symbols all converge at one point to represent true strength coming from diversity, inclusion, and unity.

The periwinkle background represents hope for future generations. Blue is traditionally the color used in Western countries to denote that a new baby is male. It is our hope that we can ensure the baby boys and young men of the future are brought into a world that teaches them compassion and positive masculinity.

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