#jasta 18

[deutschland-im-krieg]

Fokker D.VIIs of Jasta 15, August 1918. Jasta 15 had one of the most unusual histories of the Kaiser's Luftstreikräfte. After assuming command of JG II in March, 1918, Hauptmann Rudolph Berthold tried to have his old unit, Jasta 18, attached to JG II. After failing to do so, he then arranged to have all of Jasta 18’s flying personnel swapped out with those of Jasta 15, a unit already attached to JG II. With them, the former pilots of Jasta 18 brought their unit’s colours – blue fuselages and red noses. Pictured from front to back are: 11 victory ace Leutnant d R Hugo Schafer, 35 victory ace Leutnant d R Josef Veltjens, 44 victory ace Hauptmann Rudolph Berthold, 25 victory ace Leutnant Oliver von Beaulieu-Marconnay and 6 victory ace Vizefeldwebel Gustav Klaudat. 121 victories from these five experten. For more, see my Facebook group - Eagles Of The Reich

[pinturas-gran-guerra-aire]

1918 03 18 Bristol shoots down Lothar von Richthofen - Mark Postlethwaite

On 13 March 1918, Bristol F 28 C4630, crewed by Cpt Geoffrey F Hughes and Lt Hugh Clave, led 11 aircraft of No 62 Sqn on an offensive patrol southeast of Cambrai at 16,000 ft, Spotting ten Fokker Dr I triplanes and ten Albatros DVs 6000 ft below him, Hughes deliberately turned his flight to draw the enemy away from DH 4 bombers in the vicinity -he also gained the attention of five more Dr Is and five Pfalz DIll in the process.

'It was now five minutes after the time our patrol was due land having succeeded in drawing all the enemy aircraft to a point just east of Cambrai, I considered our work was done and turned for the lines, not intending to be drawn into combat against at least 40 enemy aircraft', Hughes subsequently reported ,

'As I turned to cross the tines I saw one of my Bristols dive on the triplanes below us. Apparently another machine thought that it was I who had dived , for he followed the first. This blunder upset all my plans, and I was forced to attack'.

After driving a Dr I off a Bristol's tail,, Hughes fired 80 rounds into a second triplane that was threatening another of his squadron mates, apparently hitting the German pilot and sending the Fokker down out of control. Hughes then zoomed up to attack a red-nosed triplane. into which his observer, Claye, fired 50 rounds at 50 yards' distance until it fell vertically with its upper wing falling away in pieces..

In all, No 62 Sqn claimed six victories in the melee (…). The squadron lost two F2Bs, however. The Gemans claimed two Bristols , at the cost of Ltn d R Walter Bowein killed in action. Another German casualty was Lothar von Richthofen of Jasta 11, wounded when the wing of his red and yellow Dr I was shot up and he was badly injured In the en suing crash landing , Manfred von Richthofen's younger brother was possibly the victim of either the team of Hughes and Claye, or Sopwith Camel pilot Capt Augustus Orlebar of No 73 Sqn - who claimed a triplane southeast of Cambrai at the same time - or both

[squadron-goals]

Ein Heldenleben (A Hero's Life) is an expanded version of Manfred von Richthofen's memoir Der Rote Kampfflieger (The Red Baron). In addition to the autobiography, it includes letters from Manfred to his family (like the 1933 edition) and some chapters that were not included in the book, as well as other comments and anecdotes from people who were close to him. It also includes accounts by his brother Lothar von Richthofen.

Overview:

Visit to the Great Headquarters

My Engagement

A flight in an observation balloon

A day at Staffel 11 (by Lothar von Richthofen)

At Jagdgeschwader Richthofen (by a Dutch reporter)

Richthofen as leader and comrade (by Leutnant Friedrich Wilhelm Lübbert, Jasta 11)

In memory of Richthofen (by v. B.)

An encounter (by Emil August Glogau)

The mother about the boy Manfred

Letter by Leutnant Hans Joachim Wolff to Leutnant Lothar Freiherr von Richthofen

How Richthofen shot down his seventy fifth victory (by Leutnant Lampel)

Richthofen (by Erich von Salzmann): Part 1 Part 2 Part 3

At court for the second time

Letters of Erwin Böhme: Before the war, Erwin Böhme worked as an engineer in East Africa. When the war started he was already 37 years old. This did not stop him and he became a successful fighter pilot, being personally selected by Boelcke to join his fighter squadron. In 1916 he met the daughter of a former business colleague and they fell in love. The following letters are those Böhme wrote to his later fiancée Annamarie during the war days. [Translated are the parts of the letters where Böhme describes his life as a fighter pilot.]

Landres, 24 June 1916

Kowel, 7 July 1916

Kowel, 3 August 1916

Kowel, 15 August 1916

Bertincourt, 11 September 1916

Bertincourt, 21 September 1916

Somme, 4 October 1916

Somme, 18 October 1916

Lagnicourt, 31 October 1916

Lagnicourt, 12 November 1916

Jagdstaffel Boelcke, 12 December 1916

Partenkirchen, 28 January 1917

Jagdstaffel Boelcke, 8 April 1917

Valenciennes, 25 April 1917

Valenciennes, 9 May 1917

Valenciennes, 3 July 1917

Jagdstaffel 29, 16 July 1917

Jagdstaffel 29, 7 August 1917

Jagdstaffel 29, 17 August 1917

18 August 1917

Jagdstaffel Boelcke, 21 September 1917

“With the aces”, 20 October 1917

Rumbeke, 31 October 1917

Back with the aces again, 31 October 1917

4 November 1917, Sunday morning

Jagdstaffel Boelcke, 14 November 1917

Bavikhove, 16 November 1917

Bavikhove, 19 November 1917

27 November 1917

The End

Rudolf Berthold – a man who never let himself be dissuaded from his convictions. A man who, despite the worst injuries always returned to the front as quickly as possible. A man for whom the war was not over, even if it was over for his country. A summary of Bertholds life can be found in the pinned post over @subtile-jagden The following are translated diary entries as well as some of his letters.

Before mobilization It is getting serious! First challenges Emergency landing Important reconnaissance flights during the advance The most beautiful day of my life! Finally a pilot! Buddecke, the dear comrade! Feldfliegerabteilung 23 End of 1915 Single seater fighter unit Vaux and the first victories An unfortunate day for Berthold Back to the unit Jasta 4, the Pour le mérite and a new challenge Beginning of 1917 Finally off to Flanders End of 1918: Ceasefire and revolution 1919 / 1920: Uncertainties, Soldier´s Councils and the Last Fight

Ernst Jünger was a passionate diarist. During his time in the First World War, he filled 14 diaries. Based on these entries, he wrote his popular book Storms of Steel. The diary entries provide additional information, funny stories and reveal his true feelings during this turbulent time.

First experiences Officer Candidate and Relocation First Cannonade First wound Back at the front Days at the front and stories from old friends Quéant Friendly contact with the enemy New year, same situtation A love affair Officer training course Back in the trenches and dangerous patrols Mine warfare and gas attacks An English prisoner and a funeral Summer 1916 Battle of the Somme Part 1 A short break from fighting and another injuriy Wartime conditions Another injury

[usafphantom2]

56 Squadron vs Jasta 18 - SE5a and Albatros in combat by Keith Woodcock

@ron_eislse via X

[subtile-jagden]

Rudolf Berthold with his small white dog. It seems to have a twin as seen in the second picture. It was gifted to him by comrades while he was with Jasta 18. I would love to know what its name was.

[barbariankingdom]

12 victory Jasta 18 ace Leutnant Hans Müller's Pfalz DIIIa. Spring 1918.

[tintenspion]

Really curious about Goering's shit about being a friend of Manfred and things like that. Where can I see them?

First and foremost, there is an article written by him for "Unsere Luftstreitkräfte 1914-18", where he talks about MvRs death. He mentions that they knew each other and describes how he experienced his last fight. (I got the article scanned, and im considering getting the book myself but this is like 40 centimeters long and like five kilograms I am not exaggerating. It's the Big Chungus of books.)

"[Ich will Richthofen] so schildern, wie ich ihn persönlich erlebt habe in den gemeinsamen schweren Kämpfen und wie ich ihn gesehen habe im Kreise seiner Kameraden."

"I want to describe Richthofen the way I personally experienced him the hard battles we fought together and how I saw him in the circle of his comrades."

The biggest hole in his story is that at the time of Richthofens death he was commander of JaSta 27, which was part of Jagdgeschwader 3, in contrast to Richthofen who was the leader of Jagdgeschwader 1. Therefore he couldnt have been there to witness Richthofens death personally, and the entire article seems to be based on speculations.

Richthofen himself also never mentioned Göring ever in any of his surviving writings, and there are no photos that show them together. The Fokker films are edited in a way that makes it seem as if Göring and MvR were in the JG1 at the same time, but in fact those scenes were recorded months apart from each other.

Hermann Göring also wrote a ton of forewords for books about MvR that were published after 1933. Most notably the 1933 version of Der Rote Kampfflieger and Kunigunde von Richthofens war diary. There he also often implies that he knew MvR, even though I have established that it is highly unlikely.

The way he talks about Richthofen really sounds like he saw himself not just as his successor, but also as some kind of reincarnation of his spirit or some shit. From what ive read about Göring, that wouldnt even be the weirdest thing about him.

[solardick]

Not used to such clean positivity. Someone was waiting for me this morning. Wanted to approach me. Here keep it. I dont care. Wanted to see if i’m still smoking. Am not here to be your friend.

Good kid, i think, but, he doesn’t get it. Young optimism. Still a step closer than anyone else I’ve dealt with.

The image is this.

Й-judgement

Fun, when taking waite’s strength card nineteen when it’s labeled by a capital i. Its reverse image is ! . And as its the 9th letter of the alphabet. Being a Zero card for it doesn’t belong to traditional grad school level tarot. The I descends next to 9 and we have I9. Thats an i by the way. The first card by tarot is the magician. Waving a wand. The first letter of the alphabet is A. Placed for the fool of your choosing. Bearing a zero. Means it has a power of its own trumping even the trumps. It’s the stuff of creation and innocence unburdened. The Я of russian. Is the affirmation of self. If its reflection is something of joyest?

And well for my own creation, it’s the greek letter gamma. Which coincidentally is the G of Russian.

Not so curious anymore about why theres so much bordered russian influence.

Judgement. Is variable. Be of ones own making or that of the world.

Though we need to do something about that horses face. Not to be advancing against a harsh and cold current.

Its counter influence is this;

The image of two angels cantering carnage. Good job Jamey…. Life is odd.

Justice sits as a K. And is the 11th letter of the alphabet. 8 n 11. The strength card connects to both justice and temperance. 8-11 and 14 -18. Strength card is 11-14. The sum difference of the cards is 10. The I ascends. Descends to temperance. The i is the point of balance. Add I to 8 is I8. And thats an i by the way.

Strength is found lifting. But add in a devil card pointing down. And strength is encumbered.

The mirrored image of Г is 7 by closest relative. To touch here is the chariot. A vessel of the roman empire. War. And is a mars symbol. Though mars is bind’d to Neptune here. Here there should stand as the mirrored image of infinity. A dragon/serpent and a crow. Infact 7 is a Г, it’s just a little crooked is all. It’s not straight.

The turns of phrases one picks up over the years. Seems more like a recipe.

And the infinity card is an essential layering of the pope card. Its at the fourth power. The fool, the father, the pope, the dragon. The dragons interchangeability with the hierophant. The G’s close relation to Q n O, shows its own sequence. To that of death. A darker side of closure. And thats a fight. Strength is a fight. Against the eventual setting of the sun. With the dragon, and the emperor. Theres room to roam. The dragon has four whiskers. One for each, for they are all the same. Youth to the afterlife. 1234. CGOQ

Solved it. 😘

[hjmarseille]

Hauptmann Berthold returned to his cherished Jasta 18 in the first week of March 1918, although he was still far from healthy. Here, Berthold smiles gamely from the back seat of his car, in spite of festering wounds in his right arm. A happy Josef Veltjens is seen just behind Berthold (Rahn Collection, NMUSAF)

Photo and caption featured in Osprey Aviation Elite Units • 40 Jasta 18 The Red Noses by Greg VanWyngarden

[airmanisr]

Halberstadt CL.IV (Rol) ‘8103/18’ by Alan Wilson Via Flickr: c/n 135 The Halberstadt CL.iV was one of the most effective ground attack aircraft of World War One and around 700 were built. Its manoeuvrability allowed it to avoid ground fire and it was also used as an escort fighter. On bright moonlit nights it was even used as a night fighter. This is one of four surviving examples and was built by Luft-Fahrzeug-Gesellschaft (L.F.G.), usually known as Roland. It was one of six aircraft of the type bought by Paul Strähle, a former Jasta 18 fighter pilot, in 1919. He intended to use them for a passenger transport service and at least three were flown with the last finally being grounded in 1938. In 1982, Strähle sold this last aircraft together with all the spare fuselages and parts. The entire collection was traded with the USAF Museum for six T-28 Trojans in 1984 and this fuselage was then donated to the Smithsonian Institute. Three complete aircraft were assembled from the collection of parts and were then restored by Museum fur Verkehr and Technik (MVT) in Germany. MVT later became the Berlin Technikmuseum and they retained one of the restored aircraft for display while the other two were returned to the United States. One is on display in the National Museum of the United States Air Force in Dayton, Ohio, while this is the third, Roland built, example. Seen on display in the Steven F. Udvar Hazy Center as part of the National Air and Space Museum. Washington Dulles International Airport, Chantilly, Virginia 7th May 2015

[deutschland-im-krieg]

39 victory ace Leutnant Heinrich Gontermann. Graduating from Jastaschule on 11 November 1916, he was posted to Jasta 5 where he scored his first victory on 14 November 1916. On 5 March 1917 he was awarded the Iron Cross, first class. By the end of April 1917 he had downed 17 enemy aircraft and was made Jastaführer (Squadron leader) of Jasta 15. He was awarded the Blue Max on 17 May 1917. With Jasta 15 he bagged 22 more victories. On 30 October 1917, while testing a new Fokker Dr.I triplane (115/17), Gontermann was fatally injured in a crash when the upper wing failed. Prior to his death, Gontermann scored 18 victories against Allied balloons. On the evening of 19 August 1917 he shot down four of them in three minutes. Another "what if" pilot, never beaten in combat, who knows what his final score would have been if he had flown for another year. For more, see my Facebook group - Eagles Of The Reich

[pinturas-gran-guerra-aire]

1918 03 Pfalz DIII Jasta 18 vs SPAD XIII Maurice Boyau - Darryl Legg

[squadron-goals]

Finally off to Flanders

During summer 1917 Berthold sustained another serious injury, he was shot though the right calf.

15 August 1917

Now I have to start all over again. In Flanders, the English have so far dominated the air, so good fighter pilots are even more necessary than infantry. It is with a heavy heart that I say goodbye to my people of the Jasta 14 and go to Flanders alone. My new squadron first needs thorough flying training, I want to use the whole of August to practice. Already the English offensive begins to fizzle out like the French enterprise on the Aisne. At last my fight for a better organisation of the airmen is showing some success, since I have recently got the commander of the Flanders Army on my side: At my suggestion, four squadrons are always united into so-called fighter groups and these are placed under the leadership of old, proven fighter pilots.

20 August 1917

Today I received a picture and a few friendly lines from Prince Eitel Friedrich. A few weeks ago, when I was still with 14, I got to know the prince as a simple, natural person with a strict sense of duty. I had been to dinner with him one Sunday. There was only soup and a piece of meat with vegetables. No feasting and material ostentation, which might be a privilege for wretched parvenus, but downright Spartan-like, old Prussian simplicity! When I think of this, I realise that we Germans should be happy and grateful to have at the head of our empire a Hohenzollern dynasty that has not only led throughout the centuries, but also preserved a genuinely German way of life.

6 October 1917

My Jasta 18 has now become the core troupe. In September, it had already achieved 32 aerial victories. There is now no pilot without his own victory. This is not my doing, I merely trained them and led them to the enemy, showed them how to attack. The attack itself, the killing of the enemy, the main thing, is the achivement of the pilots. Their brilliant fulfilment shows what an outstanding spirit there is in the entire Jasta, in each individual! I quickly settled in at 18. Two old good friends are faithfully at my side: Seppl Veltjens and old Mr Dingel. If Seppl stays alive, he will achieve great successes. He is like a young hunting dog: he still hasn't got the hang of it, even though he has already made quite a nice number of kills. He still lacks the eyes and the calm, cold calculation in difficult moments. But I will teach him what is missing. Old Mr Dingel and Father Turck are loyal, they never let our Jasta down and, even if they don't shoot any more themselves, they often help more with their decent attitude. They are the guarantors that an impeccable tone, a decent conception and a right aviation spirit always remain alive in the Jasta. Every busy day of flying tires me out, so I can't devote as much time as I used to to the organization and the comradeship. Now it is the 4th time that the Jasta has cleaned up in the English bomb squadron which was considered unassailable! Apart from my opponent, 2 others have been brought down. It is my 28th! The mechanics are beaming. When we come back from a flight and there isn't a single enemy smashed up, they make a very reproachful face. The good guys!

Another severe injury!

On 10 October Berthold shot down his 29th opponent. In the process, he was shot in the upper right arm from the side, shattering the bone. He still managed to land safely, but had to be rescued unconscious from the machine. The serious injury could not be treated in the field hospital; Berthold was sent to a hospital in Berlin, where his sister Franziska was a head nurse. His wound is severe: the right upper arm is completely shattered, broken like an oak that has been struck by the deathblow. He has to spend 4 month in the hospital. On his insistance he returned to the front, where he lead the newly formed Jagdgeschwader 2. His arm was still not properly healed, painfull and lame. Still, on 28 Mai 1918 he shot down another victory. On 10 August 1918 he shot down his 44th victory but during the fight his plane is so damaged that he crashes. Badly injured again, with his right arm broken once more, he is taken to a field hospital from which he soon escapes. But soon wound fever sets in and he has to admit to himself that the war is over for him. He returns home.

[usafphantom2]

Spad XIII of 27 Aero Sqn. (Lt. Frank Luke Jr.) versus a Fokker D.VII of Jasta 18 (Ltn. Günther von Büren).

@ron_eisele via X

[subtile-jagden]

Berthold after his return to his men after a bad arm injury in Oktober 1917. As he wasn't able to lead his men in combat, he asked his friend Buddecke to come and take over in the air. Buddecke was killed two days after arriving at Jasta 18. In the center of the picture are Josef Veltjens, Rudolf Berthold and Hans Joachim Buddecke.

[skold]

so since i have received a bunch of messages about it at this point i wanna address it cuz i can’t keep talking about it

on wednesday ERW shared a post from zombinatrix on instagram about a podcast in which she talks about how john 5 “raped her 16 year old friend“. i don’t have a screencap and it’s easy to find if you go to op’s instagram.

i cannot listen to the podcast because it includes really graphic accounts of op being raped/abused by manson, however i have dug through all the comments on both her ig post and the public patreon post with the podcast attached. here’s what i’ve gathered

this happened in 1999. op was 19 and her friend was 16. they got backstage or otherwise into the after party; i’m not sure which.

the sexual contact the friend had with john was otherwise consensual.

either she did not disclose her age, she lied about her age, john did not ask her age, or john assumed she was 18+ based on the fact that she was backstage/at the after party

here’s some information i know about john in regard to his sexual activities with fans, both from him directly and from reading stories from fans who had sexual contact with him

john had a crew member whose job was specifically to go find girls in line to go give backstage passes to. part of that crew member’s job was to ID the girls to confirm they weren’t minors.

he was sometimes having sexual contact with 3-5 women in one day.

john did not have PIV sex with “groupies”. he’s said this himself on jamey jasta’s podcast in an episode that is now behind a paywall because he didn’t want to risk having more kids since he already had two at the time. he only had manual/oral sex or other outercourse.

every “groupie” story i have read about john both corroborates the above point and indicates that he was incredibly nice and polite and didn’t pressure them into doing anything with them. this is from dozens of stories i’ve read.

as far as john’s character in general, i have never heard anyone say anything even slightly remotely bad about him. not a fan, not musicians he’s worked with, not other industry members, not music journalists.

so, this is what i believe to have happened. again i want to stress i have not listened to the podcast in which the accuser’s friend tells the full story, but it would be incredibly triggering for me and i have already been in a bad place mentally for a myriad of reasons

it seems the friend either lied about her age or had a fake ID to get into the after party or backstage, OR op being of age meant she was able to get the friend in.

if the friend was talking to john, there’s a very good chance john assumed his crew guy who found girls for him had already IDed her.

i don’t know what kind of sexual contact the friend had with john, but if she says they had PIV sex, i don’t believe that aspect of it. manual/oral or outercourse i would 100% believe.

and here’s my thoughts on the situation

is it partially john’s responsibility to confirm a girl is of age before having sexual contact with her? yes. can he be held fully accountable if she lied or didn’t disclose or had a fake ID? absolutely not.

i can imagine what happened to this girl WAS traumatizing regardless of whether she “consented”. i believe her 100%.

i also understand that people who are under the age of 18 cannot legally consent to sex, and that john having sexual contact with a 16 year old girl is technically statutory rape.

that said, i do not think 16/17 year olds are helpless children who can’t make questionable choices. i also do not think that having otherwise consensual sex with a 16/17 year old is as “Bad” of a crime as forcibly raping a person who is of age. i just don’t. and that’s IF the adult knows they are underage.

i also just tend to assume that any “rock star” type who was big in the 80s/90s fucked around with a few 16/17 year old girls, whether they were aware of her age or not. i know we all hate when people say “it was a different time” but pre-social media it was SO easy to lie about these kinds of things and also get away with shady shit. doesn’t make it okay. it was just a different social context.

again. I HAVE NOT LISTENED TO THE FULL PODCAST. if anyone has or would be willing to and could share any details with me i would love to know more so i can add to or amend this post to be more accurate to the events and my own feelings.

as of right now i do not believe john had any intent to have sexual contact with minors in any way, let alone malicious intent to violate their limits and consent.