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dustypotion · 5 years ago

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Jaune is Salem’s Descendent Theory Masterpost

Hey everyone, want to hear my crackhead theories? Because I’ve mentioned this one before tons of times but now with more evidence I’m making a mid-volume 7 full update.

Visual Similarities

The blond-hair-blue-eyes thing is mostly an observation that kind of ties together everything if this theory is true, but is essentially for me the least important aspect. families tend to match eachother in aesthetic, though, so there’s a point to be made about that at least.

Everyone’s said it before, but Salem’s symbol is essentially the Arc symbol flipped with a diamond slapped on top. In a similar vein, we know Salem’s father was overprotective and kept Salem locked away, and although we don’t have too much to go on about how Jaune was raised we can assume not knowing jack shit about aura was a symptom of having been sheltered as a child.

In Jaune’s original concept art, they had a version of him that had red eyes that was scrapped. Funnily enough, the other concept had his eyes yellow. Jaune got extremely close to his final design not having blue eyes.

Jaune’s aura/semblance has striking similarity to the visual cueswhen Salem becomes immortal

Jaune’s Aura & Abilities

Jaune’s aura has been mentioned pretty much the most out of all the kids. He’s referenced several times to have a very high or possibly unnatural amount of aura, and in recent episodes, has used his semblance to regenerate it quicker than most can. Now, we’ve never seen a semblance that can heal others, and it makes sense that the amount of aura Jaune has was influenced by something, most likely being related to Salem and the remnants (ha) of her immortality

Also, if we’re loose about the interpretation of how Jaune is bringing back his own aura in Volume 7, feasibly he could learn to do it at such a rapid rate that would make him incredibly hard to kill unless you caught him completely off guard.

Jaune and Possible Grimm/Magic Influences

Someone picked up that back in Volume 5, Jaune reacts to the silver eyes. On further analysis of times when the SEWs use their powers, no one is really affected by the brightness of the power, as Emerald can knock out Ruby almost instantly after she’s used it and before Ruby’s even fully retracted the power. This is especially a thing in Haven, where only two people have an instant reaction to the Silver Eyes: Cinder, most obviously, but also Jaune. In fact, he shields his eyes (since he’s more facing Ruby) and stops charging Cinder before Cinder even seems affected by the Silver Eyes. We see him noticeably wince before facing an agonised Cinder

On a rewatch of Ruby’s repeated use of silver eyes during Brunswick, there’s definitely a pattern that suggests Blake, Weiss and Yang don’t react to the brightness of the SE and aren’t affected. Blake, when Ruby goes SEW, has a delayed reaction in getting up; it looks like she’s reacting the Apathy weakening, not the SEs. So why would Jaune be the only one to seem physically affected?

If we take the other two in account and remember that Grimm sense negative emotions and seem to be drawn in when bad things are happening, could that be the reason Jaune is so adamant that Ruby didn’t dial him on purpose back in Volume 2 and his “bad gut feeling” was him reacting to the Grimm outbreak before the sirens even went off?

Personality Similarities

Jaune’s story grieving Pyrrha and Salem’s story grieving Ozma parallel each other immensely. They have an awful reaction to their deaths, become aggressive and bitter against those they perceive as the culprits, and their SOs were the first/only ones to ever believe or try for them.

They also share similar personality traits; incredibly stubborn, not above lying or manipulating to achieve goals (Salem lying to the GoD, Jaune’s transcripts), and are very emotional people.

In a way that Ozpin and Salem are foils for each other, it would make sense that Jaune and Ruby would also be foils. Since it’s heavily implied that silver eyed warriors are descendents of Ozpin’s many incarnations, Jaune being a descendent of Salem’s would work in juxtaposing the two further. It also heavily fits the themes of improving on the older generation if Jaune, despite finding out who he’s related to, stays on the side of good and refuses to repeat Salem’s mistakes.

This will be added to as we get more information or somebody contributes (this will go with obvious credit). we’re going crackhead boys.

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michelles-garden-of-evil · 4 years ago

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SP Influences: The Case of Charles Dexter Ward and The Haunted Palace

CONTENT WARNING FOR DISCUSSION OF RAPE (NOT JUST THE FANTASY METAPHOR KIND) AND SLAVERY. ALSO SPOILER WARNING FOR THE HAUNTED PALACE (1963), THE CASE OF CHARLES DEXTER WARD, AND BOTH THE FIRST AND FINAL ARC (INCLUDING THE ENDING) OF STRANGE PARADISE.

Although it never directly copied from other works, the 1969-70 soap opera Strange Paradise appears to have drawn inspiration from several classic works of Gothic fiction. Unlike its more famous cousin Dark Shadows (1966-71), which lifted most of its major plotlines from public-domain horror classics like Dracula and The Turn of the Screw with relatively few changes, the influence of other works on the plot and characters of Strange Paradise generally took a subtler form. Many of the early advertisements and articles promoting the serial compared its protagonist Jean Paul Desmond and villain Jacques Eloi des Mondes (both played by Colin Fox) to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde from the Robert Louis Stevenson novel, but--as Curt Ladnier has pointed out--there are only superficial similarities between the plot of the serial’s Maljardin arc and The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, making the two works less similar than readers likely expected. Instead, the plot more closely resembles that of another, lesser-known story about a protagonist controlled by his evil counterpart: the 1963 Roger Corman/Vincent Price film The Haunted Palace, a loose adaptation of the H. P. Lovecraft novella The Case of Charles Dexter Ward.

The plot and characters of Strange Paradise have too much in common with those of The Haunted Palace to be mere coincidence. In particular, the character of Joseph Curwen and his characterization in the film strongly resemble the portrayal of Jacques Eloi des Mondes, enough to conclude that Curwen must have inspired his backstory and his interactions with the other characters. While it is likely that Lovecraft’s original 1927 novella The Case of Charles Dexter Ward also directly influenced the serial, there is stronger evidence for indirect influence by way of the film adaptation.

The Case of Charles Dexter Ward

The plot of The Case of Charles Dexter Ward shares a common theme with the Maljardin arc: the evil ancestor from the seventeenth century who returns from beyond the grave and assumes the identity of his lookalike descendant. In both cases, the ancestor was involved in the occult during his lifetime and reviled for his rumored diabolical activities. During his lifetime--which he used magic to prolong--Curwen practiced necromancy, tortured knowledge out of the people he resurrected before murdering them again, experimented on living people, and summoned the god Yog-Sothoth for assistance in his occult activities using spells from the Necronomicon. Two fellow warlocks named Simon Orne and Edward Hutchinson assisted him with his occult studies, and were both still alive when his descendant Charles Dexter Ward brought him back to life. In the early episodes of Strange Paradise’s Maljardin arc written by Ian Martin, Jacques is portrayed as the literal Devil: an accusation about which he often jokes. He has many supernatural abilities, including possession, manipulation of electricity, telekinesis, the ability to magically alter messages written in sand, and--most importantly--the ability to resurrect Jean Paul’s dead wife Erica (Tudi Wiggins), which is why he frees his spirit in the pilot. He has an interest in voodoo, although he himself does not appear to practice it and instead fears its power. Unlike Curwen, no accomplices of Jacques’ return from the dead in the Maljardin arc, although it is possible that Martin intended for the seventeenth-century witch Tarasca, an earlier incarnation of wealthy widow Elizabeth Marshall (Paisley Maxwell), to fulfill this role after possessing Elizabeth.[1]

But these occult matters are not the only common interest that Joseph Curwen and Jacques Eloi des Mondes share. Both character were involved in the more earthly evils of the slave trade. A merchant by trade, Curwen also bought and sold slaves, importing enormous numbers of enslaved people from Guinea into his hometown of Providence, Rhode Island in 1766. He sold few of them, however, and Lovecraft heavily implies that he used most of them in his experiments. The televised version of Strange Paradise never explicitly references slavery (although Jean Paul’s immortal servants Raxl (Cosette Lee) and Quito (Kurt Schiegl) are implied to be Jacques’ former slaves), but the non-canonical book series by Dorothy Daniels does on occasion. In the second book Island of Evil, Jean Paul lists “black gold, another name for the importation of slaves” along with piracy and brigandage as one of the sources of the des Mondes’ family fortune.[2] A flashback sequence in Island of Evil confirms the past enslavement of Raxl and Quito, as well as an African voodoo priest whom Jacques forces to turn Quito into a zombie: the closest event in the Strange Paradise expanded universe to Curwen’s experiments.

Both Jacques and Curwen also met their ends at the hands of locals. In The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, Ezra Weeden begins spying on Curwen because he suspects him of illegal activities including witchcraft. Eventually, he turns most of the prominent figures in Providence society against him and they band together to raid and destroy Curwen’s Pawtuxet farm. During the raid, Curwen dies for the first time, but only after devising a spell for his future resurrection. Likewise, in Strange Paradise, Jacques dies after the natives of Maljardin turn against him, although the trigger and cause of his death are different. When Jacques murders his wife, the princess Huaco, by pushing her off the island’s cliff, a group of natives including Raxl and the Conjure Man band together to kill Jacques using a conjure (voodoo) doll and silver pin. These weapons curse Jacques to throw himself from the cliff and keep his spirit "shackled to the Temple [of the Serpent, Raxl’s god]” until the day he tricks his descendant Jean Paul Desmond into removing the pin from the doll, thereby setting him free.

Jacques’ disappearing portrait from Strange Paradise Episode 12.

Also significantly, both The Case of Charles Dexter Ward and Strange Paradise give the evil ancestor’s portrait a prominent role in the plot. In both cases, this portrait hangs at the ancestor’s former residence and disappears either temporarily or permanently when he takes control of the man who resembles him. When Charles Dexter Ward is researching the history of Joseph Curwen, his sources lead him to an eighteenth-century townhouse at Orney Court in Ward’s hometown of Providence, Rhode Island, where Curwen settled after fleeing Salem, Massachusetts. He hires a restorator to restore the painting, has it moved to his study, and discovers some documents of Curwen’s hidden in the wall behind it. When he finally succeeds in resurrecting Curwen, the painting disintegrates into dust: an end which Curwen himself later meets. On Strange Paradise, Jacques’ oil painting sometimes disappears when he possesses Jean Paul, but the show is inconsistent about this cue from episode to episode.[3] In contrast to Curwen’s painting, Jacques’ portrait always returns after he leaves Jean Paul’s body and appears to be indestructible: when Jean Paul sets fire to Maljardin in Episode 65, the portrait survives and later re-appears in the attic at Jean Paul’s childhood home Desmond Hall in Episode 131.

In spite of these similarities, I should note that the method of resurrection differs from one work to the other. In Strange Paradise, Jacques achieves this by possessing Jean Paul: after Jean Paul frees him by removing the silver pin from the head of his effigy, Jacques’ spirit can enter and exit Jean Paul’s body at will. In The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, the title character literally resurrects Curwen, his great-great-great-grandfather, using his essential salts, after which Curwen murders him. Ward behaves as though Curwen has possessed him--he has the speech and manners of a man of the colonial period and knows extremely specific details about the history of Providence--but the pit above his right eye which Ward did not previously possess and the lack of the olive birthmark on Ward’s hip indicate a different body. When Jean Paul opens his casket in the pilot, he finds only the conjure doll and silver pin; the absence of Jacques’ body is never explained and could be for any number of reasons, which we shall not discuss here.

The Haunted Palace

A lobby card for The Haunted Palace asking the question, “What was the terrifying thing in the PIT that wanted women?” (Source)

In 1963, American International Pictures released The Haunted Palace, a loose adaptation of The Case of Charles Dexter Ward written by Charles Beaumont and directed by Roger Corman. Due to alleged executive meddling (a theme which should already be familiar to regular readers of this blog), the film was marketed as an adaptation of the Edgar Allan Poe poem of the same name, which Vincent Price quotes throughout the film. In the adaptation process, Beaumont made many changes to the source material, the most notable of which was the decision to have Curwen breed human women with the elder god Yog-Sothoth, as alluded to on the lobby card above.[4]

Though an entertaining and visually enthralling film, most of the changes made to The Haunted Palace weaken the plot. In my opinion, Beaumont added too many Hollywood horror conventions during the adaptation process, which did not always work effectively considering the unconventional source material, not to mention left many plot holes unfilled. The dated and sleazy sexual angle which he added to the film makes the cosmic horror of Yog-Sothoth less cosmic and more carnal; whether this makes him more or less frightening depends on one’s personal opinion, but I feel it contradicts his otherworldly characterization in Lovecraft’s works. For the most part, the talents of the director and the actors (especially Price, who is fabulous as always) make up for these problems, but I prefer--and highly recommend--the far more faithful radio drama adaptation by the H. P. Lovecraft Historical Society.

The most notable influence of The Haunted Palace on Strange Paradise comes from its characterizations of Charles Dexter Ward and Joseph Curwen. Despite many similarities with The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, the characterizations of both Jean Paul Desmond and Jacques Eloi des Mondes owe far more to the portrayals of the protagonist and villain in the The Haunted Palace than in its source material. In The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, neither Ward nor Curwen shows any romantic or sexual interest in women whatsoever. Lovecraft’s Ward only cares about antiquities, the local history of Providence, and the story of his ancestor; at twenty-six, he is unmarried and either asexual or simply too absorbed in his studies to pursue any romantic or sexual partner. The sexual orientation of Lovecraft’s Curwen is just as much of a mystery: although he took Eliza Tillinghast as a wife during his lifetime and their union produced a daughter, theirs was an arranged marriage for the sake of elevating Curwen’s social status within Providence society.

Both Price’s Ward and his Curwen, in contrast, show a marked interest in women. While their marriage is never outright stated to be a love match, Ward and his wife Ann (Debra Paget) appear to feel mutual love and devotion and have enough chemistry to imply a mutual sexual attraction. Like a dark mirror of Ward, Curwen shows a marked interest in the sexual and sexualized domination of women. In The Haunted Palace, the people of Arkham consider him a threat primarily because he lures local women to his palace to use in his rituals. While possessing Ward, Price’s Curwen rapes Ann--whom he later offers to Yog-Sothoth as well--and resurrects his former mistress, Hester Tillinghast (Cathie Merchant), who assists him in his sorcery in the film’s climax. If Lovecraft’s Curwen never did any similar actions, he does not mention them in his novella.

In Strange Paradise, romantic and sexual desire for women motivates both Jean Paul and Jacques. Jean Paul resurrects his ancestor neither out of an obsession with his history (as in The Case of Charles Dexter Ward) nor by accident (as in The Haunted Palace), but because Jacques’ spirit promises that, if the recently widowed Jean Paul frees him, he will restore life to his beloved wife Erica (Tudi Wiggins). Many episodes show Jean Paul mourning her death and narrating a tape-recorded journal to her, and he obsesses over protecting her cryogenically-preserved corpse from danger. Jacques romantically pursues several female characters over the course of the Maljardin arc--including Erica, her sister Dr. Alison Carr (Dawn Greenhalgh), and the wealthy widow Elizabeth Marshall (Paisley Maxwell) and her 20-year-old daughter Holly (Sylvia Feigel)--and makes many sexual innuendos about them. After resurrecting Erica, she obeys Jacques as though he were her husband and assists him by murdering most of the guests on Maljardin. This makes her character’s role comparable to that of Hester in The Haunted Palace.[5]

On a more superficial note, neither Jacques nor Curwen wears a costume appropriate to his era of origin. In his portrait and in flashbacks, Jacques wears a side-parted 1960s hairstyle and clothing, including a doublet and lace collar and cuffs, more appropriate for the 1630s than the late 17th century when he lived (1660-1689, according to the plaque beneath his portrait). Similarly out of place, Curwen has short hair and a beard and wears a historically inaccurate lace bib in his portrait and in the prologue at the beginning of the film. Unlike the others, this similarity is almost certainly coincidental.

An even greater similarity, however, can be found in the scene forty-five minutes into the film where Curwen speaks to Charles through his portrait.The scene occurs after the second instance of Curwen possessing him, during which he unearths Hester’s coffin and has his fellow warlocks Simon Orne (Lon Chaney, Jr.) and Jabez Hutchinson (Milton Parsons) deliver it to his cellar laboratory. Ann catches him down there and he sends her away, still possessed by Curwen. When Curwen leaves his body, they have this conversation:

JC: (from painting) "Charles Dexter Ward…" CDW: "Leave me alone! LEAVE ME ALONE!" JC: "I will never leave you alone. Your blood is my blood, your mind is my mind, your body is my body. It will do you no good to resist me. Your efforts grow weaker every day." CDW: "No! NO!" JC: "You cannot keep me out, Ward. My will is too strong." (he possesses Ward again) "Too strong for you, Ward. Too strong for you."

Similarly, most episodes from the Maljardin arc of Strange Paradise feature at least one scene where Jean Paul communicates with Jacques’ disembodied spirit, represented by his portrait. In some scenes, they use a shot of the portrait hanging in the Great Hall; other times, they superimpose Jacques’ painted face over that of his identical descendant. One of the earliest examples of Jacques referring to them as one comes in Episode 5, when he taunts Jean Paul about his attraction to Alison. “She’s so delectable a woman. How could I--you--we--ever resist or let her go?” he says, snickering throughout. During another such conversation in Episode 27, Jacques refers to Jean Paul’s body as “our body” and commands him to rest because he is tired. In still another scene ten episodes later, he complains to Jean Paul that he is “waiting for the use of our body” as Jean Paul begs him not to “enter”; the dialogue in the scene has undertones suggestive of fantasy-metaphor rape, which Jacques’ sickeningly sweet tone of voice underscores. These are only a handful of examples of the recurring theme of Jacques viewing Jean Paul’s body as his own and seeking to dominate it completely.

Comparison of a shot of Joseph Curwen glowering in front of his portrait with a similar one of Jean Paul glowering in front of the portrait of Jacques from Strange Paradise Episode 41.

Surprisingly, unlike in the novella, Curwen's portrait does not disintegrate when he possesses Ward. As Strange Paradise eventually started doing with Jacques’ portrait, Curwen’s portrait remains hanging until the end of the film, when it burns along with the rest of the palace (which begs the question of how it is even physically possible for stone to burn). Jacques’ portrait meets the same apparent end when Jean Paul sets fire to the château and flees Maljardin, but later returns to him at Desmond Hall, seemingly undamaged by the flames. It does not vanish for good until the final week of the show (Episodes 191-195), when a group of characters force him out of it by rubbing his brother’s ashes on his eyes and lips; this drives him out of the painting and into Jean Paul’s body, which he leaves at the end of the penultimate episode.[6]

Still another similarity comes from what is, in my opinion, Beaumont’s most ingenious change to the plot: the implication that all the human townspeople in 19th-century Arkham are reincarnations of identical people from the previous century, not just the necromancers. The same actors even portray their descendants: for example, Leo Gordon plays both Ezra and Edgar Weeden, and Frank Maxwell portrays both Dr. Marinus Willett and his ancestor Priam. Implied reincarnation figures heavily in the original outline for Strange Paradise, with Jean Paul, his sister-in-law Alison Carr, and the young heiress Holly Marshall all having dreams about previous lives on 17th-century Maljardin. Much like Jacques who possesses his descendant, Holly’s mother Elizabeth Marshall may have also been possessed by her previous incarnation, the native priestess Tarasca, under this outline, as foreshadowed in the clips in this video. The second Desmond Hall arc (Episodes 131-195), likewise, involves reincarnation from past ancestors (including the return of Jacques), but this final arc otherwise shares little in common with either The Case of Charles Dexter Ward or its adaptation.

Conclusion

There is strong evidence that Strange Paradise drew inspiration from both The Case of Charles Dexter Ward and The Haunted Palace for the story about Jean Paul Desmond’s possession by Jacques Eloi des Mondes. We see elements from both the book and its first film adaptation in the serial: Ian Martin’s characterization of Jacques, the possession, and the talking portrait owe more to the film, while the disappearing portrait and certain elements of Jacques’ backstory are more reminiscent of Lovecraft’s original novella. Despite this inspiration, Ian Martin added many other elements to the story of Maljardin that were not present in either work, including the conjure doll and silver pin, the strange circumstances surrounding Erica’s death, and secondary protagonist Holly’s pursuit by several male characters and victimization by a mysterious spirit. The result is a serial combining the plots of The Case of Charles Dexter Ward and its adaptation with original ideas to create a unique and--yes--strange new story.

Notes

[1] For more information on the aborted Tarasca storyline, see “The Secret of Tarasca“ and the section of my review of Episode 40 titled “The Lost Episode 40.”

[2] Dorothy Daniels, Island of Evil (New York: Paperback Library, 1970), p. 45.

[3] The Paperback Library novels do not just portray this consistently, but portray the other characters as seeing an empty frame while Jacques is controlling Jean Paul’s body. See also my review of Episode 15.

[4] For an in-depth plot comparison, see the blog post “The Films of Charles Dexter Ward” by Fake Geek Boy.

[5] According to an early newspaper summary for Episode 35, Tarasca would have endangered the life of Jean Paul’s love interest Alison, also shows some signs of possible influence by this subplot. See also this video.

[6] Many of the events of the final month of Strange Paradise are unclear and/or unexplained, so this interpretation should be taken with a grain of salt.

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the8worldking · 5 years ago

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The Arc Family Curse (Part 2)

(Here’s part 1 Incase you missed it: https://thehtg-therealone.tumblr.com/post/615787588764254208/the-arc-family-curse-part-1-this-is-my-addition

So to continue off from part 1, we know that Jaune isn’t exactly familiar with the huntsman life when we were introduce to him in the first Volume. To the point where he didn’t even know the TWO things vital to being one, aura and semblance

I find this incredibly weird cause I’m pretty sure that Jaune would’ve told his sisters and parents about his dreams of becoming a huntsman. So wouldn’t his father, who’s past relatives fought in a war of remnant, told him about the two things he would need as a huntsman? But I believe there is a reason why he didn’t believe Jaune will make the cut and no just because he doesn’t have the skills and expects him to come home as soon as he starts. Because his clan can’t (possibly) generate an aura or semblance, the two necessities of a huntsman.

Also if the Arc family really is known to fight in the Great War, wouldnt Jaune be as Recognized as Weiss in family name status? I mean the “Great War” doesn’t exactly sounds like your everyday war, so any family that participated in it and has a lineage of warriors after has to get some recognition. I’m not saying that an Arc wasn’t in the war at all, but they’re not a famous as the lore implies them to be. I believe that the Arc was just a simple knight who didn’t really do any extraordinary feats. I believe that’s because of the Arc’s possible inability to produce an aura and semblance.

But this rule doesn’t apply to Jaune. As we know he’s the youngest of his clan and as I said in Part 1, the curse probably had time to develop and evolve to effect another. And Jaune ends up with an massive reservoir of aura, and a semblance that allows him to amp himself and others. Speaking of which, isn’t it weird how much Jaune can amp others? To the point that their semblances absolutes are increased drastically to the point Ren’s semblance and cover an entire city street instead of a few feet. Almost like the aura he uses to boost them has a VERY unique property to it. Such as, I don’t know, the essence of a god maybe.....

Also here’s a little fun fact. We have not seen Salem’s semblance. We’ve seen her use magic, dark magic, immortality, edit and create Grimm, but no semblance.

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jagerknight08 · 5 years ago

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Crackpot theory: Jaune Evil Clone? (Skip to the bottom for the theory.)

Ok, so we know that in the world of RWBY, technology is advance. People can get cybernetic limbs if they are damaged, create Battle droids, create AI's with human emotions, transfer auras, make a broom stick into a boom stick etc. My question is though are they advance enough to clone people?

It's shown that Watts is a scientists or a some sort of medical professional and that Salem has outside influences/ business partner's. Now say that Salem does have a cloning machine that's laying around in her basement, and that she plans to use it, who would she clone? Ruby? Maybe, but having a silver eye near grimms will probably cause some issues, that is if a certain mint color girl doesn't kill her first. Weiss? I don't think so, training someone how to summon and create different kinds of Glyphs will take a long time to do so. Blake, Yang, Nora, Ren, and Qrow will all be pretty useless. Cinder? Yeah, like we want two Cinders running around. That leaves Just Jaune.

When Tyrian made the comment "You DO interest me." many fans, myself included, speculated on what he could be interested about. Many assumed that he was just interested in him because he is an Arc, a lineage of heroes and powerful warriors, and that he has some quell with the Arcs, but he just simply lacks any sort of aggression or hated towards Jaune being a Arc. Then in Vol 6 when many people pointed out that the symbol of Salem family looks like that of the Arcs and jumped on the bandwagon that the two were connected and that Tyrian somehow knew about Salem family tree and was probably curious if he is her descendent. While the logic may be sound in theory but when you look at her kids two things stick out. 1) none of them have blues eyes and 2) their hair colors are several shades lighter than Jaune and his sisters hair colors. Now this can be pass up has just genetics and that the Arcs look like this after generations after generations, but given to how both Ozpin and Salem both focus on Ruby, being a silver eye warrior, and not Jaune or any of the Arcs, leads me to believe that Salem and Ozpin both know that they are not connected in anyway, otherwise they would been closely monitored.

So what could Tyrian be interested in if there is no connection between Salem and the Arcs, and if he has no issues with the Arc family? Well remember how the Schnee Family Semblance, Glyphs and Summons, are hereditary. Well there is a theory floating around that Jaune Semblance and/or Aura reserves are hereditary and if any of this is true than it's possible that these things are what makes the Arc family so powerful. That would explain why would Tyrian be curiosity about Jaune. Remember that Tyrian is sick, twisted, and sadistic. He thoroughly enjoys the killing and the fighting, believes that Salem is a goddess, and berates Emerald over Cinders "Death" and mocks Mercury for trying to stand up to him. So the fact that there's a warrior family that can rapidly heal and has large amount of Arua would probably excite him a little bit. But I have another idea in mind about his interest in Jaune.

What if Salem has been keeping a tab on the Arc family and noticed how the Arc family keeps on producing these Warriors with a vast amount of Aura with amplifying powers? And only know that the world, specifically Atlas, has advance well above just swords and shields. To the point that robots ate made to fight the Grimm in the huntsmen place, to the point of cybernetics are the common, and has ties to some very powerful individuals to get her hands on a machine that can successfully clone a Human/Faunus being without the memories. It could spell disastrous if she clones some one with a OP semblance and got them to wrap themselves around her fingers.

Now let's revisit everyone semblances. First we start off with our heroes Ruby can go incredibly fast, but is predictable. She can kill any grimm with her eyes but have to get in the mood for it to work.

Weiss can create diffrent color glyphs, making it easier for a person to figure out what a glyph does, and summon ice sculptures multiple times, but is a drain on her and she has to focus on what she wants to create. Winter is in the same boat.

Blake creates a shadow that can do different things when dust is applied, but they can move on their own free will nor she create multiples at once.

Yang converts kinetic energy she absorbed through the damage she taken and converts it into strength, but still takes the damages.

Nora She can absorbs electricity for a boost in power, but can only be used if struck lighting or is in contact with ectricity.

Ren can create a sort of cloak that hides a maximum of 2 people from grimms, but is left vulnerable and must be still to use it.

Qrow can't control his semblance, effecting everyone in his general vicinity.

Now with Salem team

Tyrian implied that he can create poison as his semblance or if it just because he is a scorpion.

Watts unknown

Hazel can numb his pain receptors to make himself to absorb dust, but doesn't make indestructible.

Cinder can create shards with very hot materials and use the fall maiden powers, but one person can be the fall maiden and over estimates her own abilities.

Mercury has no semblance

Emerald can create a large hallucinations, but can be easily broken by more aware individuals.

Now lets look at Jaune

Jaune can amplifies other people Auras and his own to make them stronger, accelerate healing to the point of healing fatal wounds, gives a boost in semblance, but sacrifices his own Aura. He has a large amount of Aura to neglect this risk, but still have to make a close contact with his "patient".

Out everyone I listed are circumstantial and may requires some outside help, but with Jaune he doesn't need anyone to help with his semblance. But let's not forget the most important thing about this, Jaune had only unlocked his semblance a few weeks ago and already had heal Weiss from death grips, heal a man broken arm and boost up Ren Semblance to cover half or all of the train carts to escape the grimm.

This would be the worst case scenario for our heroes as their biggest asset were to turn on them leading to more powerful opponents as they are empowered by evil Jaune and could heal any wounds with out any of his reserves being taken away from him. But who to say that salem would stop at a certain number of Jaune and creates a army of meat shield and constantly healing the his "allies" and giving them boost to her lesser soldier so that they could do more damage and be more of a hindrance to stop our heroes to complete their quest.

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joemerl · 6 years ago

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“A Swiftly Tilting Planet” is Awful and I Hate It

I don’t know if anybody cares about my opinions, but I built up a lot of bile reading this book and I have to get rid of it somehow.

Background

For those who don’t know, this is the third book in Madeline L’Engle’s Time Quintet, aka “A Wrinkle in Time and its sequels that you’ve never heard of before.” The series involves a family that goes on Science Fantasy-type adventures with beings sent from a vaguely-defined, vaguely Christian bureaucracy of magical aliens. I’ll discuss the previous books a bit, but the series is pretty episodic so we don’t really need to recap them.

In this story, the world is about to end because a South American dictator has a nuke. Our protagonist, the psychic teenager Charles Wallace, must work with a time-traveling winged unicorn from space to prevent this catastrophe by entering the minds of people from the past. It is much less interesting than it sounds.

Spoilers to follow.

These One-Dimensional Characters Keep Giving Birth to Themselves Like a Flock of Infuriatingly Dull Phoenixes

The main plot has Charles Wallace travel to ca. 1170, ca. 1693 (Salem Witch Trials), ca. 1865 and ca. 1930s (or whenever Mrs. O’Keefe would have been a kid), plus the then-present day of 1978. Along the way, he chronicles the histories of several families, which include, by my count, about 30 characters who have only half a dozen different names and two personalities between them.

The Maddox-Llawcaes: Technically two families, but they keep intermarrying each other to the point where I’m seriously questioning how inbred their modern descendants must be. This family was founded by a bunch of cliché Native Americans (stoic, wise, and otherwise devoid of personality) who married some woke Welshmen, repeatedly over multiple generations. They’re good.

Gwydyr and his descendants: Distant relatives of the above, but descended from their patriarch’s ~evil~ brother. They’re evil and lust after virtuous Maddox-Llawcae women.

The Mortmains: They’re evil and lust after virtuous Maddox-Llawcae women.

The O’Keefes: They’re evil and lust after virtuous Maddox-Llawcae women. Also, they seem to hate disabled people.

This is arguably a sex-linked trait; the one female character from an “evil” family seems relatively alright, but when she marries a Maddox-Llawcae she still passes evil on to their descendants. This turns out to be the driving crux of this story: Charles Wallace learns that the dictator is descended from that couple and was corrupted by his ancestress’ ~evil~ genes. To avert the apocalypse, Charles Wallace has to change history so that the Maddox-Llawcae man marries a Maddox-Llawcae woman instead.

It’s pretty much impossible to interpret this as being about upbringing; it’s about blood. "Gwydyr’s line is tainted,” Charles Wallace says near the end. “There is nothing left but pride and greed for power and revenge.” At another point, a Maddox-Llawcae immediately writes off his unborn half-brother as evil because he has a Mortmain father. And he’s right---Unnamed Mortmain Sibling grows up to be a criminal and dies in jail. Hopefully without managing to pass on his dirty, inferior genes first, amirite?

It doesn’t help that, even separated by centuries, relatives are often described as looking alike and/or having variations of the same names. Of those 30ish characters in these families we have three Mad(d)o(c)(k)/Madogs, two Gwydyrs, five Rich/Ritchie/Richards, three Bran(don)s, two Matt(hew)s, two Duthbert Mortmains (yeah, because that’s a name you want to keep in circulation for 300 years), and most egregiously of all, four of the main female characters are Zyll, Zylle, Zillah and Zillie. (Technically there are three Zillahs, if you count middle names.)

Obviously, genetic determinism is a questionable moral. It’s also really annoying, because each time period has the same basic characters just going through a variant of the same plot. There is hardly any character development across 800 years of history, and no permanent change from good to bad or vice versa.

In a way, this even ruins the previous books---Calvin O’Keefe became a good guy despite his dysfunctional family, but now I get the feeling that this isn’t supposed to be a testament to his strength as a person, it was just his mom’s Good Maddox Genes breaking through the Evil O’Keefe Heritage. But hey, the focus on Mom O’Keefe was nice in this book, since she’s practically the only one who has an actual character arc.

Though, as you’ll see below, she was not actually needed for this story at all.

This Universe Has No God, Just a Tyrannical Plot Outline

Charles Wallace is the protagonist of this story, but probably gets mentioned on fewer than half of its pages. Mostly, he’s just psychically possessing people, during which time he does not control them so much as see their lives and...vaguely influence them, sometimes. What I’m saying is, he doesn’t really do much in this story. His grand moment, in the penultimate chapter, is to vaguely influence Matthew Maddox #1 to vaguely influence Rich Llawcae #3 to not to get stabbed by Gwydyr #2. This saves the world, but seems somewhat anticlimactic after 287 pages of build-up.

What’s worse: he actually tried to make this story shorter, and save me so much suffering. Unfortunately, “God” wouldn’t let him. At least, for a certain sense of the word.

The Time Quintet is sort of like Chronicles of Narnia in that it’s a Christian story, but you have to dig a little beneath the surface to realize that. L’Engle’s beliefs were also more liberal than Lewis’, and in this book they seem almost pantheistic: Charles Wallace’s help seems to come less from a personal deity and more from a sort of implied sentience of the universe itself. This usually comes in the form of “the wind,” which blows him and the unicorn to different time periods at its own whim.

Charles Wallace’s arc is that he is apparently a control freak, and needs to trust God/the universe to lead him, or something. He figures out early on that the key to everything is in 1865, but the unicorn says that no, we have to let the wind blow us where it wants. Twice he tries to fast-track things, and each time he and the unicorn almost die as a result; thus he learns that no, he should not be relying on his own intelligence or logic, he should just ~go with the flow~ and assume that things will work out.

So basically, Charles Wallace has been tasked by Vague God to prevent the apocalypse, but he’s not allowed to do anything to actually try to prevent it---he’s basically just pushed into random corners and told to stay quiet, with the hope that his presence will change history through osmosis. I find myself comparing this to Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. While I have some criticisms of this subplot, in that book Harry is presented with a choice: do what he thinks will save the world (looking into the Deathly Hallows), or what the Omniscient God Stand-In says will work (finding Voldemort’s Horcruxes). That works well enough, but here, Charles Wallace is given the choice between his own ideas and no actual instructions. He’s told to save the world, and then criticized for trying.

There’s a part where the Echthroi (demons who want the nuclear apocalypse to happen) try to trick Charles Wallace by preying on his ego. This involves telling him he was selected to save the world because he’s intelligent and psychic and is a generally moral person, all of which is true. He rejects this, as he is supposed to, and at the end of the book notes that the mission did not succeed “because I was intelligent, or brave, or in control,” but because he let the wind guide him. Which just leads me to wonder why he was the one chosen to save humanity, when Vague God could have sent anyone else, or just cut out the middle-man and had a unicorn tell Bran Maddox #3 whom he was supposed to marry.

But what really makes this intolerable? Charles Wallace was right. The key to everything is in 1865, he eventually gets blown there anyway, and it’s the only place where he concretely needed to do anything. So why the hell did we need 40 awful pages set during the Salem Witch Trials?! To teach us that the Salem Witch Trials were bad? Even the whole part in ca. 1930s was pointless---the only plot-relevant thing that we got there were hints about 1865′s importance, which Charles Wallace had already figured out but was scolded for suggesting. Other than that, these sections were just used to hammer in the idea that Maddox-Llawcaes are always good and the other families are always evil.

So, my rewrite: Charles Wallace goes to 1170 and sees Madoc and Gwydyr. Then he either a.) figures out the importance of 1865 with his family’s help, as he does in the book, or b.) goes to the 1930s and figures things out from the clues there, while also learning the fairly-interesting-but-technically-irrelevant backstory about Mrs. O’Keefe. Either way, he decides to go to 1865, thus justifying his role as protagonist, and the fact that he is actively trying to save the world is not treated as a moral failing.

Comparisons to the Previous Books, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love at Bombs

This is my third Madeline L’Engle book, and really, these problems were present in the first two, even if they were less pronounced. Both ended with the protagonist (Charles Wallace’s older sister Meg, who arguably is more important than him in this book, too) saving the day with the Power of Love---meaning that she didn’t so much do anything as feel a certain way. Here, Charles Wallace does even less, just watching other people fall in love while his own character arc is in opposition to the actual plot.

L’Engle’s strength does not seem to be coherent stories or complex characterization so much as weird, cool ideas---for example, a time-traveling space unicorn. But compared to previous books, this one is pretty down-to-earth; after hitching a ride on said unicorn, Charles Wallace mostly just watches people live fairly typical lives. While A Wrinkle in Time’s villain, a demonic alien brain, could theoretically wither at the approach of a sibling’s love, it’s harder to imagine a nuclear war being averted by nothing more than some shoehorned character development.

For the record, I bought the fourth Time Quintet book at the same time as this one. I really, really hope that it’s better, but it will probably be a while before I get to it.

Other Nitpicks

The whole clue leading to 1865 involves a book written by Matthew Maddox #1, who’s from that time. It’s about time-traveling unicorns and family feuds and the like, the basic idea being that he witnesses Charles Wallace and all the supernatural happenings and writes it down as a novel. Fine, okay, but people who talk about this novel keep emphasizing how revolutionary and amazing it was, which kind of feels like L’Engle just patting herself on the back for this awful, awful story.

At the end of the book, the time-traveling unicorn erases the memories of Charles Wallace and his sister Meg, for...some reason? I honestly don’t know why he did this; the pair knew about supernatural creatures even before this book, and they can still half-remember what happened anyway, so this seems pretty pointless.

This line, from the 1865 arc: “When the sons of men fight against each other in hardness of heart, why should God not withdraw? Slavery is evil, God knows, but war is evil, too, evil, evil.” Not a bad point, but juxtaposed to the characters’ passivity I can’t help but snark: “Yeah, why can’t people just love at each other and magically fix everything, right?”

I’m Tough But Fair: Some Good Points

There are time-traveling winged unicorns from space. They eat moonlight, drink starlight, and hatch from eggs, as we see on a brief trip to their home planet. So yeah, L’Engle is pretty good at Science Fantasy weirdness.

Honestly, the other filler chapters were pretty good too, if only because they distract from the annoying main story. Even the purple prose about “the harmonies of the universe” are alright sometimes.

Like I said, Mrs. O’Keefe could have been cut, but her arc, going from innocent little girl to crotchety old lady to redeemed old lady, was a good one. And her brother being named “Chuck,” like Charles Wallace, actually felt like it meant something instead of being yet another case of Generation Xerox.

Along those lines, I like that the Murrays didn’t turn out to be some distant cousins of the Maddox-Llawcaes. That would have been annoying.

The 1865 arc was easily the best in the book. Even with the blood-based moral alignments, the characters still had actual arcs about overcoming disabilities, PTSD...like, expand this and cut out the stupid Salem Witch Trial arc, which was so, so bad. Also, was I just imagining it, or was Matthew #1 in love with Zillah #1? ‘Cause him arranging for her to marry Bran #3 is even more touching if he did.

Conclusion

Um...the book sucked.

I wrote this over three days, and it wound up being more than 2,200 words. Wow.

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megashadowdragon · 4 years ago

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jaunes semblance has 7 aspects to it one for each color of the rainbow

There’s the color you think he is, the color he lives up to, it’s a lot of stuff. -Monty in Forever Fall commentaries which implys that yellow which jaune means is not his true color theme

the symbol on jaunes shield is a rainbow and the french word for rainbow is arc en ciel and jaune has 7 sisters and there are 7 colors of the rainbow

so it fits that the arc familys theme is supposed be having each members colors to one of the 7 colors of the rainbow but jaunes color is all 7 of the rainbows colors jaunes aura is white

which is the combination of all colors on the visual spectrum

consider jaunes base aura color as white ( I have to point out when pyrrha used her semblance her aura turned black

( when her aura color is red in its base state

)

and his activation of his semblance as a prism where depending on the ability he switches between seven colors of the rainbow (

so I think that while jaunes aura when he amplifies someone elses or his own aura is yellow

and it changes when he chooses a specific ability which fits with the paladin/cleric/support role

2nd semblance immunity/blocking : he and the stuff he is using as a conduit for his aura is immune to certain semblances which is meant to put a sort of status effect on him or manipulate his body like telekinesis or polarity ) or to put it another way if it begins to affect him/ if the person trys to use it on him this ability nullifys it and works passively for him where itreacts when someone uses their semblance on him unless its not meant to hurt or mess with the person like rens semblance ( given the trust jaune has in ren and knowing what rens semblance is when ren uses that on jaune he would subconsciously let it happen and not have the semblance immunity goes off for it reacts to his desire or sensing a threat ) ( even if he is unaware they are doing it ) after he awakens the ability ) or the stony glare which is meant to paralyze an enemy one they look into their eyes or emeralds hallucinations ( but neos illusions would still not apply since its not meant to directly affect him so semblances like ruby or yang wouldnt apply) or semblance nullification ( maybe) and the semblance to steal someones semblance or

think of it as him putting up a shield against effects of semblances of that type or uses of semblances of that type meant to hinder someone or indirect attack etc)

and he can put up this shield for other people (in games there are spells to prevent debuffs

the 3rd ability the ability to undo the effects of someones semblances like for mercury he could restore mercurys semblance. or if yatsuhasi wipes someones memories jaune could undo that in rpgs there are moves/spells to undo / cure status effects on someone like ( blind, petrify, stun , forget etc )

4th semblance ability to sense someones semblance being used to react to it ( a passive one ) and when he gains it the semblance blocking will activate depending on the type of ability it is )

5th aura constructs the ability to make constructs of aura like wings ( vine suggested extending his aura to jaune when he was falling I thought what did vine mean by that and then I came up with this ability because how would extending his aura stop him from falling or being grabbed )

and jaune having angel wings would make him an ARCangel (a term for angel of high rank)

it would allow him to create constructs of his aura like cinder using her semblance to make weapons ( and this will make it so that pyrrhas polarity wouldnt work against jaune (and I like that idea ) if he created weapons out of aura like cinder creating glass weapons and it will be fitting if his semblance grows to allow him to take a page from his enemy cinders

what if in the case of say jaune losing an arm he will be able to create a prosthetic made of pure aura that will work like a normal arm and after he made it it doesnt cost him any aura maintaining its existence it only costs aura to create it once he makes it it stays in existence without using up any aura (and he can choose to undo his creation at will with 0 aura cost) so while cinder has a grimm arm which would allow her to absorb the maidens power but it has a weakness of cinder being unable to use her aura on it to protect it for grimm are beings of darkness which lack aura because they have no souls jaune will have a arm made of aura where after creating it ( and its actually even stronger than his original arm ) he is able to use his aura on it to further protect and strengthen the blows dealt by the arm (like how when mercury blocked yatsuhashis sword strike it with his legs the fact that they are metal means that he doesnt need to cost as much aura to protect from his hit) and the force by the things the aura arm can bring .

and is able to cover his scars with aura construct

and what if jaune is able to make it so his fake arm made out of aura look and feels like a real arm like hisoka from hunter x hunters texture surprise

“ Hisoka can apply his aura to any smooth, flat surface, such as paper or cloth, and manifest imagery on it to change its appearance and texture for deception. He can replicate over one thousand different textures. He has tricked Nen users of the Spiders’ caliber with this ability, with none of them realizing he had used it, either by sight or by touch. Against Kastro, he utilized Texture Surprise to hide his wounds and confuse him. It can also be applied to pure aura, such as Hisoka’s Bungee Gum, to alter his own appearance. Since no aura is detectable once Texture Surprise is active, whether through eyesight, touch, or extra sensorial perception, its effects are also visible to individuals unable to use Nen, it is safe to assume Texture Surprise is a Conjuration ability, which is further supported by its requiring Hisoka’s direct action to be dispelled and by a verb used in its description.

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so jaune could use his ability to make it so his fake arm made of aura will look and feel like a real arm and cover up someones scars and make it look like the person didnt have any scars on their body to the point that it would feel like real skin. and after that ability is used it doesn’t cost any more aura there is no aura cost to maintaining the aura constructs existence or making it feel and look like something else.

(and being able to do this adds to jaune being salems good counterpart for she is able to give people grimm limbs which she has a connection to so jaune in contrast will be able to make limbs made of aura ( an extension of the soul)

and will be useful if someone loses a limb and they dont have someone who can make a prosthetic

(though he most likely will have to first master his aura (and will probably go to ren for training to master his aura)

6th : aura drain or aura consumption to allow him to permanently increase his aura ( if the whole theory that he is salems descendant and is part grimm is true given the theory that grimm killing humans is what lets them grow and get stronger etc ( due to humans having aura and being created by both god of light and god of dark ) if it is true and aura being sent into a grimm

or aura absorption ( think of it like a spirit ball type thing and he could do it even if someones aura isnt unlocked and they have to let him do it )

7th aura disruption or telepathy to speak with his team and form strategys ) or semblance replication to replicate someones semblance (and this is only meant to work with semblances that dont mess with someones mind or put status effects on them like yangs semblance or noras semblance or blakes semblance and bestow it upon someone temporarily to increase their fighting capabilities like imagine what ren could do with blakes semblance or rubys and in order to give someone a replicated semblance he would have a line with them to be able to do that ( he would have a line/connection with them to be able to give someone a replicated semblance ( and )

basically the gist is that jaune will have 7 abilitys one for each color of the rainbow to fit with the paladin or cleric role to increase the strength of the party and prevent debuffs or cure them of status debuffs

if you have a better ideas for jaunes other abilities tell me ( and it isnt the first time we saw a semblance which has multiple abilities ( weiss and her glyphs )

and while the arc family is meant to have a color off of one of the colors of the rainbow jaunes color theme is all 7 colors of the rainbow ( which is brought up in wizard of the oz

basically

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megashadowdragon · 5 years ago

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salem is jaunes biological mother

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“ jaune is a foil To Ruby. She’s a prodigy who quickly became a deadly warrior at a young age and is welcomed into Beacon two years early as a result while Jaune is a hard worker who progresses slowly and had to lie his way into Beacon because of his nonexistent combat background. Ruby is a strategist specialized on pre-defined team attacks and wields a self-made weapon capable of long range combat. Jaune is a tactician specialized in creating new team attacks according to his analysis on the battlefield and wields a family heirloom only capable of close range combat. Ruby has a rather broken family but they fully support her decision to become a huntress while Jaune’s family is large and united but they don’t support his choices nor have any faith on him. Ruby is a tomboy who dominates the battlefield but doesn’t enjoy dancing whereas Jaune tends to act girly and is initially terrible at fighting but also a great dancer. The more you look into them as a pair, the more contrasts that can be spotted in the details.”

jaune has a more “feminine way of dealing with emotions” while ruby has the more masculine way of dealing with emotions

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“Joan of Arc is known for breaking gender stereotypes about what it meant to be a woman. And if you think about it in a lot of ways Jaune doesn’t fit into the stereotypical “man box.” We are don’t “men don’t cry.” He wears his emotions on his sleeve. While in the real world men (and in the world of RWBY BOTH men and women ARGUABLY) are told to be strong. And that many people superficially equate physical strength with heroism (Raven?) it is fitting that Jaune’s semblance doesn’t so much doesn’t so much empower himself, as it empowers others. (as well as himself but its more effective on others in the team since they are more skilled than him) The so called “Feminine” strength.” P.S. Hmm as a follow-up to my The Importance Of Foils Part 2 post. I think that Ruby, despite being a girl, fits into the “man box” better than anyone else including it’s UNHEALTHY WAYS OF DEALING WITH EMOTIONS. The only difference is on remnant, it’s not because a man doesn’t cry. But because “a hero doesn’t cry.”

ruby first activated her silver eyes leading to her to learn about them when she saw pyrrha jaunes partner impaled by cinder and burnt to ash failing to save pyrrha her awakening being in reaction to her death while jaune activated his semblance and realized what it was when he saw rubys partner weiss impaled by cinder and was able to save her life awakening his semblance to do so allowing him to learn what his semblance was ( which is a good example this is an example of them being foils and how its been shown and effected their storys )

what if while summer rose rubys mom fought the good fight to protect humanity salem the person threatening humanity is jaunes mother.

( and the fact that salem killed summer rose is an interesting connection ( I once made a theory on jaunes dad working for salem and being the one to kill summer rose but since its been almost confirmed that salem killed summer rose I am settling on this idea that rubys hero mom was killed by jaunes evil mother)

also silver eyed warriors are descended from ozpins various reincarnations where he had kids with someone from humanity 2.0 which is how the SEW were created ( one of his reincarnations was shown with children who have silver eyes ) given that he is reincarnating due to the power of the god of light which affected him and as a result created the SEW and ruby is a silver eyed warrior

so it would be interesting for jaune in contrast to be the child of salem and have some power related to the god of darkness in him.

plus its heavily theorized that jaune has a connection to salem

and salem wanted to do eugenics before with her and ozs kids and she likely realized that SEW were descended from oz so she could very well have come to idea of producing a child of her own with humanity 2.0 to see what would happen and at first she left him with the father ( to be taken care of and avoid distraction for her ) until jaune showcases some power ( or that she expected jaune to show some signs of power but didnt sense that because it was slumbering in him and gave him to the father ) ( and I once suggested the possibility of jaunes father (and the father of the 7 girls ) working for salem ) ( and because he didnt she let him be giving up that option ) or what if the people jaune currently refers to as his parents are his aunt and uncle and the 7 sisters are actually his cousins and jaunes real father is working for salem

( or salem went looking for jaunes father who didnt work with her ( before she had her veins and had a child with him ) people compared jaune to jon snow who believed all his life to be illegitimate. what if jaune is an illegitimate child

= : monty when asked if there will be character deaths responded with I like game of thrones this makes me think of jaune and jon snow. since jaune sounds just like jon. and jaune had a crush on weiss schnee and schnee means snow. jaune schnee would equal jaune snow which sounds like jon snow

An outcast from a prestigious family who decides to dedicate his life to protecting the realm. Meets a girl who has been ‘kissed by fire’ (red hair ) who is killed by an arrow to the chest. ygritte (who had red hair which led her to being said to being kissed by fire ) for jon snow and pyrrha for jaune ( and pyrrha literally means fire colored and pyrrha was burnt to ashes killed by cinder who is associated with fire) and killed by an arrow also ygrittes (jons love ) dead body was burnt to ash in a funeral pyre and pyrrhas body was burnt to ash jon at the start believed he was neds bastard

ruby is a sew she has her powers due to her connection with oz having a child with someone of humanity 2.0 and is descended from that reincarnation jaune would be born due to salem having a child with someone from humanity 2.0 and get his powers due to that

plus lots of people already believe that jaune is salems descendant all this would do is make her relationship to jaune closer than that ( I have links to posts on jaune being salems descendant

this is just extending it to salem being jaunes mother plus its said that miles luna ( jaunes va ) and jen ( salems va ) will get lines with each other

and monty said that jaunes color is different from the rest of his family

There’s the color you think he is, the color he lives up to, it’s a lot of stuff. -Monty in Forever Fall commentaries which implys that yellow which jaune means isnt his true color theme

imagine if this is because jaunes family isnt his immediate family and his relationship with salem

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also, not to continue to clown but

penny, with the maiden powers, didn’t react to the silver eyes. that means cinder’s weakness in volume 3 was absolutely to do with the METHOD of receiving the powers; the grimm beetle bonded with her and caused her to become part grimm before she got even got the grimm arm.

also, this further proves that people don’t respond to the brightness of the silver eyes, since no one but cinder did, which begs the question -

why is jaune arc the only other human to have ever reacted to the silver eye power?

and why did he shield his eyes in the exact same way cinder did this volume?

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( and this fits with tyrians interest in jaune )

just an idea that I came up with and if its true I will love to see dustypotions and other peoples reactions to it

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