#i want your real honest opinion on which prefix you think is better for this circumstance

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hey, love your meta and translations. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on a specific Mando'a word for "helpless?" (Laandur and di'kutla have different connotations to me) context: best fren gave me "you are not helpless" as an affirmation bc anxiety paralysis, and approaching things from a Mando mindset often helps me. thanks

Before I say anything else, I just wanted to say that I am truly, truly honored that my post about mental illness had such a positive impact; and I’m thankful that you and others have found it helpful.

Since receiving this ask, I’ve been giving this question a lot, a lot, of thought … and to be honest, I’m not entirely sure how to answer this—though I definitely am going to try. With respect to where this question comes from, I’m trying to come up with a few alternatives … because, I’m actually of the opinion that the word “helpless” may not actually be in the mandalorian vocabulary. 

Gently paging @kaasknot and @cassiansfuzzyjacket (and, really, anyone and everyone else who’d like to chime in for this particular topic) for input, though—because I can definitely be wrong, and more insight is always better, especially with sensitive subjects that can have many, many different perspectives and many approaches.

The way I’m looking at this, “helpless” in mando’a, at the very least, would not hold the same context or connotation that you would be using it for, ie. an affirmation of some kind. More likely, helpless would take the connotation of “exposed” or “cannot fend for one’s self,” which is wholly different from anxiety paralysis. 

That said though, there is a word that is close but not the same, and carries different layers of meaning to it that changes the phrase, or pulls it away from what would otherwise be negative within mando’a. 

solus — /sō·lo͞os/ — vulnerable, alone, each, one, individual, united, as one

It also has a verb component to it: unite, which I’m roughly guessing it to be akin to soluur or soluusar, but these are very rough and one can feasibly assume conjugation would still be solus or solu if absolutely needed.

Much in the same way that Mandalorians can and are contradictory in the very same breath—venerating gods who were once people, the ka’ra, for example—so can they be in words.

Solus, as a word, means both alone and united, one who feels solus would be simultaneously vulnerable, isolated, and yet are very much a thread woven into the fabric of a larger identity and community, fully alone and never truly alone. 

Nu solus, ni solus — [I am] not vulnerable, I [am] united — the state of being both painfully vulnerable and entirely invulnerable; of being both incomplete, and whole

So that’s one possibility you might want to try, and see if it fits or if it helps. Unison, being united, being part of something bigger — that’s the biggest draw to mandalorians, I think. The sense of community and belonging, that’s something that mandalorians absolutely embody when it comes to other mandalorians — aside from, of course, real serious ideological disputes, but that’s probably a given.

Another possibility is one I touched on in a previous post I did regarding the word k’atini. I don’t want to repeat everything in there, but ultimately the way it’s represented in the mando’a dictionary is, really, mistranslated.

K’atini — get through it, I can and will survive this

In your case, I feel that k’atini still applies, though it’s not exactly what you were looking for.

K’atini is what you say when your world is ending and you keep going. K’atini is what you say when you get your ass whooped and you stand back up. “It’s only pain [ and pain won’t stop me ]” ….

K’atini comes from atiniir, which means to endure, to put up with, to take it (like a beating). The K’ addition comes from the imperative prefix, ke’, k’ — it’s what you tack on before a word to indicate an order or a command.

When things are overwhelming, when the world is crushing you, even the barest minimum act of enduring, of surviving is an act of rebellion. Paralysis, or not, you will survive it.

…but now, now … I thought of a punny one, and I apologize in advance.

It’s gonna go under a cut for two reasons though. First reason is because I’m not entirely sure if it actually works and might choose to remove it in the future or put it in its own post, and the second because I don’t want this post to be too long on the dash.

Anyway, here is the pun:

Naast cuy Naas ures te — The Destroyer is Nothing without the title. ( Lit. [The] Destroyer is nothing without [the] ‘the’ / [The] Destroyer is “Nothing” lacking [the] “t” )

For the record, the word for the is te, literally pronounced “tay,” which is how I assume you pronounce the letter ‘t’ in mando’a, and coincidentally … if you were to add the letter t to naas, it would give you naast. 

Eh? Eh?? 

I’m laughing at my own horrible pun I’m sorry.

Also, before it’s brought up, I personally haven’t found anything that says the specific mando’a pronunciations of their letters has to match Arubesh, which is on an entirely different pronunciation system for the Basic alphabet. I maintain that the easiest way to pronounce letters in the mando’a alphabet is to keep them as close as possible, phonetically, to actual words, and both the ‘tay’ and ‘ee’ sounds are very, very common in mando’a. But anyway, I digress.

The intent is to link nothing with destroyer, to link the state of nothing, or the inability of not being able to do or act and therefore be frozen in a state of inbetween, is one very short phonetic leap to Destroyer, of whom is both a Creation Deity as well as an instigator of and a force for Change and survival. 

Or, another way of looking at it, think of it in a low moment, when you’re feeling down and out and like you don’t matter, or you have no worth, or you are nothing beyond your illness or your anxiety. It changes the meaning of “nothing,” and so instead of “I am not nothing” which while positive isn’t always enough, we can take that horrible feeling and laugh at it. “Error is a ‘t’ short of Terror.” Nothing is a t short of Destroyer. 

It’s funny because language is funny, and it’s funny because we hold ourselves to higher standards than is sometimes fair, or that we expect more of ourselves than we can possibly give, or demand of ourselves that which is unattainable—and it’s not because we’re too weak, or too helpless, or too incapable, but because it’s not something one can feasibly ask from one’s self, just as one cannot ask a fire to provide us water or make it rain. 

edit: but, it’s funny because in language, we can ask nothing to become something, we can make nothing into Destroyer, with one small t, and I, personally, think that’s funny.

This is, of course, not as serious as the previous two — it’s more tongue-in-cheek than anything, but I figured I might as well add it in case you do happen to find it useful. B’)

Anywho, hopefully these are acceptable? Or, at least, offer self-motivating inspiration, and aren’t too difficult to pronounce. 

[northwest-cryptid]

Get to know me tag thing that I’ve not gotten a tag for in a real long time so I’ve sorta forgot how they work but I’m just gonna wing it and hope it’s okay in the end. I have been tagged by @kaiachu to do the “get to know me tag” thing, I normally don’t get tagged for this sort of thing so I’m happy to give it a shot :D (Thanks by the way!) 

This got way longer than I thought it’d be so, here’s a read more for the people who follow me and don’t have any kind of xkit thing to blacklist “#long post”

1ST RULE: tag 10 people you want to get to know better (I’m horrible with that sort of thing so I probably won’t have 10 people but I’ll try to at least tag some people in this (and yet I’ll fail, trust me.))

2ND RULE: bold the statements that are true (Personally this format sorta confuses me so I’m just going off what was already listed and just gonna swap out details to be facts about me hope that’s alright, rules are weird, I’m not really a rebel but sometimes it’s easier to make your own rules :P)

APPEARANCE: -I’m nearly 6 foot but I genuinely forget the exact, though I know I’m rounding up so that’s a thing. -I have black hair and brown eyes -My hair doesn’t know what it wants to do, some days it’s super curly other days it’s straighter than the most cliche straight white boy. -I’m tall and skinny which is honestly a little annoying -I’m not super pale but I’m what I’d call “white” if my Native American heritage and culture didn’t make me salty about everyone calling me white :P -Imagine Akira from Persona 5, except I can’t summon demons and also I’m not anime, and also I’m not as attractive as him, and also I remember to turn off the light when I go to sleep (there’s a joke for anyone out there who’s played Persona 5 and got annoyed when Akira continuously left the damn lights on every night, no wonder he needs glasses!) Basically I’ve got that same general tall skinny guy build with curly poofy hair and right now it’s actually pretty short so I could actually style it like that if I wanted.

PERSONALITY: -I’m an unintentionally sassy/sarcastic friend if you know me well enough to know I’m joking. -I am always up to help someone however I can, be that listening to their problems or taking direct action to help solve said problems. Though I dislike the idea of being the therapist friend who is only ever spoken to when someone has a problem. -I have more social anxiety in casual settings, however during important/formal social events I find that I already know my role and I’m relatively calm so I’d not say I’m anxious in every social situation. I just need to know my role. -I really try to be a chill person, however I feel like a lot of our culture says “chill” and means “has no opinions on anything and won’t take a stand against something they don’t believe in.” I say that mostly because I find that people will often talk about how chill I am right up until something strikes a nerve with me and I stand up for my morals or beliefs and suddenly it’s “wow you’re so dramatic!” For the record no I’m not talking about the MANY times I’ve actually been way too god damn dramatic (believe me I’m all too aware of those times). -I love all animals, I’ve volunteered at cat shelters quite a lot in my early life because we had a no-kill shelter near my house that needed someone to work with the unadoptable cats. However I’ve been part of a family who has rescued anything from squirrels to snakes to bearded dragons to dogs, to one legged parrots, at one point we had a tarantula and weirdly enough I wasn’t quite as scared of it as I am with most spiders... still didn’t want it anywhere near me. However yeah in general I’ve helped treat tons of animals in my life and I’ve learned to appreciate them all.

ABILITY: -I’d say I can’t draw to save my life but Bob Ross basically dedicated his life to explaining that anyone can make art so yea I’ll respect that. I’m not exactly good at it though. -I’m reasonably athletic but it depends on the activity. I’m a fine sprinter but a bad jogger, I’m good at fencing, I can bike for quite a while, I work out fairly often when I get the chance and according to the numbers the machines give me I’m healthily athletic? I’m not some sports person though. -I personally hate sleeping, it feels like a waste of my time. -I love to play/write music. Music is such a beautiful form of art that can make people feel so many different emotions. Music means a lot to me and I love to sit down and play an instrument with friends or write a new song.

HOBBIES: -I play a LOT of games, anything from video games to tabletop D&D to dice games and casino style gambling games with friends :P -I tend to draw, write, or make music for fun whenever I have an artistic itch to scratch. -I previously mentioned that I work out, I don’t say that to brag or anything I just genuinely find it fun to run around a gym listening to motivational music and having an outlet for all my energy. -It may sound silly but a legitimate hobby of mine is to listen to music, I will sometimes just sit down and put on music I like, this is often something I’ll do at night, I like to just sit down with some tea and relax with good music. -I also enjoy driving, mostly night driving but I’m not going to be picky. Getting lost out in the middle of nowhere and admiring the scenery around me is always really fun, it’s part of why I love night-driving I really enjoy getting away from the light pollution and looking up at the stars. I drive a convertible so it makes it really easy to see everything around me while I drive, but it’s sort of a death trap if I get in an accident so I tend to take in the sights when I’m at a stop and not in the middle of a drive :P

EXPERIENCES: I’m prefixing this with the fact my life is boring and the more interesting experiences of my life are things I don’t much care to just share with the internet -I’ve flown out to New York numerous times to visit my ex (who I was dating at the time) and that was always fun, it was always weirdly freeing to know that I had saved the money and independently flown myself out there. -I once stabbed my foot with my own pocket knife by somehow flipping it open as it fell off my desk it hit a vein in my foot and I was squirting blood down the hallways at like 2 AM. It didn’t hurt nearly as much as you’d think but it wasn’t fun to say the least. -Meryl and I used to often go night driving and actually managed to get out of the car and go hiking a few times at like 2 - 3 AM it was fun, except one time we managed to get a flat tire out in Washington and didn’t have a spare tire so it was exciting to find a way of getting home at midnight when we were a whole state away. 

RELATIONSHIPS: -I’m not gonna list my previous relationships or anything I don’t really feel like that’s respectful to the people I was in the relationships with, even if they weren’t all the best people (though most of them were/are fine people) I don’t want to disrespect other people’s privacy. -However I will say that I’m currently single as fuck. 

MY LIFE: -My life has been sorta interesting lately. -I’ve recently really connected with my local friends, I’m part of a D&D group which helped me make a new friend, and an old childhood friend of mine recently texted me saying he lives in the area and wants to hang out sometime. I love all my friends, and I care so much about my internet friends don’t get me wrong but it is also nice to be able to get out of the house and hang with a friend every now and then. -My family is pretty small, I’ve got 1 older brother (I know I have some siblings from my dad’s previous wife but outside of my half brother I sadly don’t know them well). -I live in Oregon but I can be found driving throughout the west coast at night, you’ll know if you find me because I’m the asshole in the red convertible playing music at like 3 AM but really quietly because I want to respect people who might be sleeping but also just loud enough that you can kinda hear it in the distance because it’s a fucking convertible and road noise makes it hard to hear... oh and also I’ll have the top down even if it’s like 10 degrees out because I like the cold and I’m probably wearing like literally a tank-top and leather jacket to balance the temperature. -I’ve literally had over 50 animals in this house at the same time. Currently however we have 1 Rhea, we just got another few chickens I think we have 3 - 4 now? We have 2 cats, 1 dog, 1 ball python, and... I think that’s it right now?

RANDOM SHIT: -I’m currently 22 -I love talking to people but I’m bad at starting conversations... -I’ve currently been playing Warframe, Guild Wars 2, FFXIV, and PSO2, though to be honest I’ll play just about anything if a friend asks me to :P -Personal favorite food is Cheesecake unless you don’t count that, then it’s Pad Thai, then Sushi, then Shrimp in general. -In person I can hold a conversation for hours, on the internet I’m awful at it. -I often feel like I’m overbearing to new friends because I am easily excited at the concept of making new friends. -I will start writing 20 D&D campaigns knowing full well I’ll never actually get to DM them for anyone, it’s a weird obsession I have with the concept of storytelling through experiences.

I mentioned this at the start, I’m bad at tagging people so the only thing I can really say here is that if you’re someone who (like myself) likes listing off random stuff about yourself, feel free to take it upon yourself and consider yourself tagged. If you’re not the type to be comfortable with this sorta thing that’s cool too, no pressure. If you DO write up one of these after seeing mine, feel free to tag me in the post so I know :P

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Is this legit? How is this not exploding right now?

It will. It’s 3 am on a Monday night, this will go ham tomorrow morn.

Just about midnight here in California (but this story won’t see the light of day here). Looking forward to seeing this get huge

the world is better because of people like you. think i’ve seen your username before too

I appreciate that, you as well. Keep on the righteous path

He’s a bot

wow, a feel good bot and you can’t even see “his” post history. Really strange shit.

Except here on Reddit. The liberal circle jerk will keep it out of the main subs.

It’s O’Keefe so media will ignore it “cause he’s a criminal and propagandist”.

OANN will be playing this at 11a.m. Eastern

One America News Network said they are going to show the tapes at 11a.m. eastern!

7 hours later and it’s been taken down

Maybe that’s how.

This guy has been popped before for editing videos in ways that change the message and it was really early in the morning. The other thing is that his guy works for CNN Health, but w.e.

in ways that change the message

Any examples? I hear this said but in context his videos have always seemed equally damning. Taking down ACORN put a target on his back during an adminstration known for prosecuting joirnalists and political enemies so saying “zomg community service” doesn’t cut it for me.

Any examples? I hear this said but in context his videos have always seemed equally damning. Taking down ACORN put a target on his back during an adminstration known for prosecuting joirnalists and political enemies so saying “zomg community service” doesn’t cut it for me.

Any examples? How about the one you named yourself. O’Keefe had to pay out $100,000 to one of the former ACORN employees after he handed over the entire unedited videos which the California AG reviewed and found, “no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees nor any evidence that any employee intended to aid or abet criminal conduct.”

He even admitted in that case that he was just trying to damage ACORN and wasn’t acting with any sort of journalistic objectivity.

His entire career is like that. He releases “damning” video evidence which when compared to the raw video prove to be heavily edited segments which misrepresent the stated views of the people he films by removing context or chronologically shifting the video to make it appear bad.

By comparison, O’Keefe makes media outlets like CNN and Fox with their horribly biased and non-journalistic practices look like absolute angels.

You’re acting like the one good employee ACORN had absolves the other horrible employees who willingly helped a supposed pimp who was prostituting out underage girls and never sought help from a child advocacy group let alone the police after the meeting. You’re doing some subterfuge yourself. If O’Keefe’s undercover vids on ACORN encouraged a reform and improved protocol on how employees react to pimps and who they should contact after, then it was worth it bc, apparently, most of the employees don’t have an idea of what is right or wrong, including when it involves pedophilia.

No wrongdoing was found to have occurred by ACORN when the full video came out. That was the findings of the California AG office and the federal Government Accountability Office.

Well, half true. The case in California was a terrible case and Okeefe should be ashamed for not following through on what the workers did after he left. But the Brooklyn DA reviewed the tapes that affected their region and found that although they were heavily edited, the most damning words were still very much in context.

There was 100% wrong doing found at ACORN. You’re a liar. There was no criminal wrong doing. As being an unethical asshole is not against the law. One of the employees caught on tape had gone to the police and had been leading on O’Keefe. There was no way for O’Keefe to know that; the rest of the employees did not. That employee sued him as they lost their job and were doing the right thing.

Which means the rest of them were actively giving advice for criminal conduct and had no intention of reporting it to the police.

Not really, the msm just do to okeefe what they did to center of medical progress. Throw around ‘deceptive edit’ and dont back it up when the full tapes are released.

What part is fake?

It’s a project veritas release. The people who keep getting busted for releasing edited and out of context videos. The odds of this being legit are approaching zero. Basically, nothing this guy releases is true. He literally generates the fake for fake news.

Can you back that up?

Please provide citations.

Mirror

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

Thank you, good sir.

I’m sure I’m the minority opinion here but project veritas has a history of editing video. I don’t think we should look too much into what they do until they release raw footage. When it cuts to the background images for the “because it’s ratings” part it sounds very different than the preceding lines. CNN does suck 99% of the time but that doesn’t mean any attack against it is credible.

All videos are edited. Every single one. This ‘deceptive edit’ crap falls apart when the full vidoes are released showing it in the same context.

Ok then let’s wait until the full video is released before making concrete judgments.

We do; and they are vindicated every time by those of us who bothered to watch them. Meanwhile useful idiots read an article from Salon that claims they watched the full videos and that the clips were deceptively edited. Releasing the full videos does not get the Democrats to shut up about “doctored” videos; as that is their only deflection of the deep seated corruption within their party and their political allies.

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Can you provide a context in which his comments would be seen as ok?

It’s a business, people are like “The media has like an ethical…” psssshhhhh…

But all the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school, you’re just like, that’s adorable. That’s adorable. This is a business

You honestly couldn’t make up a worse quote if you tried to. Holy shit.

The saddest part is his words wouldn’t be so damning if they weren’t so honest.

Probably the first time he does something honest, and it is going to backfire on him.

But muh context!

I’m sure they must have edited out a part at the beginning where the Project Veritas guy said “let’s play a game where I ask you questions and you make up fake answers that make CNN look as horrible as possible.” Or a part at the end where the CNN guy said “lol jk I really had you going there didn’t I?” Right guys??

HOW DARE HE ATTACK THE STELLAR REPORTERS OF CNN

DON LEMON IS ETHICS INCARNATE

ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A RACIST

So, politics aside. People stopped paying for real reporting and news. Combine the lack of interest in actual reporting, and the media mergers and newspaper buyouts, etc and you get this media environment. It rewards shock headlines and ‘fake news,’ because no one wanted to purchase journalism and even if they did, public trading of news companies means cost cutting and share holder profits are more important than news…. so what?

we have only one model that doesn’t get fucked by this and it is NPR. And NPR ain’t great, because government funding for it got cut years ago and the replacement ‘funding from ‘charitable foundations for agenda reporting,’ and listener donations sucks. So decent reporters bounce out of NPR ASAP and American suffers.

So the market is rewarding sensationalism, and firms are producing sensationalism?

Yes.

But this isn’t anything new. Sensationalist news has been a part of the human experience for centuries.

Media mongrel Hearst from the early 20th century made his fortune off of fake news. It was common in the 19th and early 20th century. Some what died down in the mid 20th century; and became dominant again at the end of the 20th century.

we have only one model that doesn’t get fucked by this and it is NPR.

NPR has a horrible liberal bias. They’ll pick a topic like ‘The benefits of abortion’ and then discuss the topic in a somewhat fair manner. But the bias was built into the topic and no amount of honest discussion can overcome that, especially when 90% of the people talking are liberals.

I really like this response, because I agree, but not exactly in the same way. Your response illustrates a particular problem: You think NPR has a liberal bias, because you are to the right of it. I think NPR has a centrist bias, because I’m to the left of it. Either way, we both think NPR doesn’t represent our views fairly and doesn’t ask questions in an objective way.

NPR leans left; though not as much as CNN. If you were going to give it a scale of -10 to 10 (positive 10 being extreme conservative):

MSNBC: -8

CNN: -4

NPR: -2/-3

Fox: 4

National Review: 8

So if you’re a typical reader of Salon or viewer of MSNBC and you have been duped into thinking you’re somewhat moderate; than you may think NPR is “towards” the center. But there is no doubt that it leans left.

Business Insider did a piece of news source bias a few years back. NPR is, as per their research, not close to centrist but leftist .

This is cool link, however it does not say what you say it does, it says the ‘Audience of NPR is more liberal.’ It makes no conclusions about the content.

As a regular NPR listener, I can assure you that they spend a wildly disproportionate amount of time pushing issues that are only important to a tiny minority of the population (surprise: that would be a varied number of far-left activist groups that send them press releases on the topic). In the particular example I’m thinking of, the cause represents something like 10% of a 5-10% minority in the U.S. I hear the same “news” and “personal interest” stories promoting that issue literally every day. The only things that ever change are the names of the people involved (and maybe one or two minor details). It’s the exact same political narrative, hammered over and over and over again. It is literally no longer newsworthy, yet I still hear it in their “news” coverage every day.

The thing is, I’m sure that NPR doesn’t even realize how disproportionately they’re covering the topic. It’s of particular interest to them and most of their audience because it reinforces their preexisting worldview biases…and the issue has been weaponized and is now being used to attack anyone on the “other” side of that issue.

The thing is that they make no bones about it being liberal, and they are at least good at disclosure. You hear how liberal they are every 15 minutes when the call out supporters.

They also have conservative guests on all the time. Congressmen, PR staff from think-tanks, candidates and staff. They come off as smart, engaged people just looking to make things better. Sure, most of the audience and all the staff think they’re wrong. But it’s opposition, not smears

If you just want to know what’s going on in the world, you could do a whole lot worse.

I stopped listening to NPR during the 2012 election. They would have a “panel” about a political topic. The Moderator would be a hard core democrat. Then he would have 3 panelists on. One who was extremely far left (socialist), one who was a hard core Democrat, and one who was moderate (who they called a Republican). The “Republican” threw Romney and Republicans under the bus on every topic and talked about how Republicans were extreme (the guy supposedly representing Right).

That panel would have been horrible enough had they had a real conservative on there who actually believed in Republican policies (as he would be out numbered 3:1); but the fact that they put up a strawman of a Republican on just so he could provide legitimacy to the program was down right infuriating. Fuck that network.

Thank you for being a voice of reason. The real shock of this video should be the realization that all our media is like this, not just CNN.

Thank you for not going directly to the T_D “fuck MSM, CNN, they’re out to get us”…

I may not agree with most of y’all on a lot of issues, but I do agree that there are loads of issues plagueing(sp?) this country. Media and journalism being pretty damn high up there. Especially the fact that it is a driving force if the polarization and partisanship of politics we have today.

I am a big fan of government funded stuff like NPR/PBS/etc, but the thing I am worried about just as you are is how can this be funded by the [insert political party] without them having undue influence over content and context that is out out…it’s a tough question with a probably even tougher solution.

Every group will deny and try to fight news and reporting that makes them look bad. It’s PR, I get it, but when that party is directly responsible for the funding of said programming, how can one prevent retaliation when they report on the actions (good or bad) of that party.

If liberals can post salon and mother jones articles 24/7 on r/politics, they’ll probably believe whatever CNN told them anyway.

My new favorite is holding the independent up as some holy bastion of new reporting. Its little more than a tabloid

And the Guardian

US liberals like to pretend that UK news outlets are never biased

I would argue that UK news outlets are more biased.

But they’re European. Theyre much smarter than us hillbilly Americans /s

I’m in complete agreement. There is a very scummy element is These English news outlets. Have a read about the phone hack scandals if you want a good laugh

just goes to show how morally bankrupt CNN and the rest of the MSM is.

Cable news, in general, is wet, hot garbage.

Print and other forms of news are just as bad though.

It’s literally all dogshit.

This project verita video is amazing though. Puts it all out right in display.

We have the best undercover journalists, don’t we folks?

Amazing? I thought it was over produced and repetitive. They showed the same lines six times in a row.

That’s project veritas for ya

Still good that this is out there but the editing is crap lol

If everything is bad, where do you get your information?

Consensus and time.

Most of the time, most of the news from all these different “partisan” outlets is actually identical. There’s not much difference in the handling of facts, only the angle or the narrative. So when you’re looking up a story that actually matters, read the same story from 8 different, competing, clashing outlets so that forming a narrative is impossible.

News outlets are dishonest, but they don’t usually fabricate. Their spin is more like a reality TV show being edited, inserting context, or removing relevant facts. Reading all the different edits at the same time quickly reveals what is craft, and what is real. Once you do that, you have the facts.

The news brings you the facts because that’s what you ask for. But that’s not really what people want. Their business model is about offering clarity, interpreting the facts into understandable storylines. They take a complicated, crowded, confusing world, and make it nice and neat. Demand is created for a product that has nothing to do with facts. If the news industry was a gas station, facts would be the gasoline, and narrative would be the snacks and drinks.

“The news” is an entertainment product. News junkies are not informed people, they are just entertainment addicts. If you want to be informed, you have to think like a journalist, not an addict.

e: TV news is especially bad because of the medium. TV is slow, information-light, and non-interactive. Good for interviews and speeches, little else.

At the end of the day, this is what happens if you leave journalism to the free market. State sponsored news would be infinitely worse, of course, but this video is a perfect example of what happens when you try and make informing people a business.

I only trust news that doesn’t use click bait titles, doesn’t use dramatic language, and moves on to something else once the segment is over. That pretty much leaves pbs.

The current media situation is a direct result of the elimination of the fairness doctrine by Reagan, and especially the Telecommunications act of 1996 courtesy of Clinton. It’s astoundingly difficult to get a straight true version of almost any news event these days.

I know what you are trying to say, but I would actually argue it is easier.

With the internet and the democratization of information, it is not that difficult to get actual hard facts and even read spin from all sides and form your own opinion.

I think most people are just either lazy, don’t care, or want to read something from their perspective. With your take, it seems the only logical solution would be some state intervention or some new law, which would not be good.

That is a lot of trust in people. Most people just use the internet to find the “facts” to back their pre-conceived belief and stop there.

Its how we’ve ended up in/with huge echo chambers as the divide in the country grows and grows.

While I don’t necessarily disagree with your statement, and don’t trust people, I just think the vast majority don’t care.

Actually most people don’t give a shit about politics like us, and they shouldn’t. It is difficult to see that when you are passionate about it and caught up in discussion and the news everyday.

I don’t really give a shit about politics either. I just like being well-informed. That means being informed about the shell game that is modern American politics.

I sort of disagree about the internet part. I think the internet contributes to the problem because it allows people with zero critical thinking skills access to reams of truly fake news that they aren’t equipped to deal with. I recall a few months ago my Facebook feed lit up with stories posted by my more conservative friends and relatives about how Clinton was under indictment, and had fled the country in a private jet with the FBI hot on her heels. Then there was the whole pizzagate thing that ended with a guy barging into a pizza restaurant with a gun looking for a nonexistent basement full of pedophilia victims. I don’t know what the solution to all this is because regulating the internet in any way that would alleviate the problem would have massive negative consequences, and would most likely be unconstitutional to boot.

I understand your point, and it is made by many, if not most.

I just completely disagree, and believe you, and others, are blowing it out of proportion. One, I understand many people get their “news” from facebook, but it is not a news source. Rarely are people actually reading the articles posted, just the headlines and others’ opinions and then arguing in the comment section. It is more of an activity than just getting the news.

And ok people are dumb and lazy, but still, the majority of Americans, as they should be, are politically apathetic and actually don’t care about any of this shit. They just want their cute cat videos and memes, go to their jobs pay for their shit and pursue their own happiness. It is tough to see that when you are passionate about politics and see the craziness going on, as am I, but it is true.

And pizzagate was a fringe conspiracy, not believed by many, and I understand that more were open to it being true, but only a very small amount actually actively believed in it. And, overtime, the community who did actively believed in it shrunk, and I believe that is a direct result of continuous research and discussion on the open internet. That guy who went to the pizza parlor clearly was crazy and has some other issues, and was he motivated or spurred by this small fringe conspiracy community? Yes, probably, but again, it was very, very small. I am more concerned about main stream news outlets and the left openly saying the GOP is going to kill people and all republicans are Nazis, which is all accepted and mainstream, and if true, I mean somewhat justifies violence, if they are all Nazis and going to kill people?

So, you speak of trying to find a solution to something that is not really a problem. That is just what scares me, the left and right do that all the time. Err on the side of not making laws or regulations or “solutions”, freedom and the market takes care of it. The internet is much more of solution than contributing to a small problem. That form of thinking, even from a conservative point of view, only leads down the road to regulation and control, and less freedom.

I’d agree with you if I didn’t see people I regarded as reasonable and intelligent falling for this crap on a daily basis. I’ll also reiterate that I’m in no way advocating for more internet regulation, but I don’t buy the free market will fix things argument either. The free market follows profits, and telling people what they want to hear will always be more profitable, than telling simple truth.

Yes, the internet gives critical-thinkers the power to consume a ton of reports and form their own opinions, but most people aren’t doing this. Most people don’t use the internet for investigative or comparative journalism. Most people get their “news” from their television or radio broadcast of choice.

We don’t need new laws to regulate what can and cannot be reported. We don’t need a government agency picking winners and losers by controlling funding or airtime. We need some goddamn leadership. We need a president or other high-visibility leader who can be trusted, who has proven integrity, and who communicates with “both sides” to speak to the importance of holding journalists and media networks accountable.

We need the press to keep the government in check, but we need to keep the press in check. “We”, on average, don’t give a shit, so it’s hard to see this starting with us. The corporate click-bait press isn’t likely to usher a true leader into the White House, and the people there now sure as hell aren’t going to change their tune to their own detriment, so I don’t know how we get here. Sad.

“fairness doctrine” has nothing to do with this. It was a ploy to force radios to give liberal commentators shows that no one would listen to and they would lose money on.

Don’t forget that public trading of media companies means they are beholden to share holders, rather than accountable to the general public for the quality of their journalism.

hiding under the guise of the first amendment to publish stories like this is where it should be wrong, the first amendment shouldn’t protect news agencies from publishing false claims as the effect on public perception could be disastrous to the republic as we have seen this past year. It should be treated as yelling fire in a movie theater

It is absolutely amazing how deluded and ignorant the people over at r/politics can be.

This same video was posted there, and rather than be concerned about a CNN producer laughing at the idea of ‘ethics’ in their reporting, they instead claim that Okeefe only makes fake news. They are burying their heads so far in the sand that they will deny video and audio evidence, that couldn’t possibly be taken out of context, and merely attack the source. (not to mention that their favorite video against Trump, the Billy Bush grab-em-by-the-pussy video, is exactly the same type of video.)

Its the easiest way of dismissing evidence out of had without actually having to look at it.

Exactly why reddit is terrible, you can hide posts you don’t like and popular opinions go to the top.

I mean it’s good for sports and stuff, but terrible for anything opinion-formed.

They are burying their heads so far in the sand

Oh, they’re burying their heads all right, just not in sand.

Why all of the jump cuts? Veritas just opens themselves to all of this criticism. Show us the unedited video from beginning to end if it’s so damning. I will never trust a veritas video that’s not one unedited stream of content. They’ve burned bridges too many times before this to demand any less.

Have you ever watched a single investagative report in your life? All are jump cut because because there can be hours of filler between points. Do you really want to waste your time watching them order hot wings and excusing themselves for a shit?

They could make 2 versions available…

Tell you what. I’ll take 5 minute clips. Not 15-20 seconds. That make you happy?

O’Keefe released hours of raw footage for the Planned Parenthood release; and the useful idiots still ignored them. Essentially reddit was full of leftist saying “Well I read Salon; and they watched the full video and they said the clips were deceptively edited. So clearly they were doctored.”

Hopefully O’Keefe releases the raw video

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PP does actually sell fetal organs though… totaling on avg. $2-3k for all the organs sold in 1 fetus. This is not some conspiracy theory either. There are published receipts and invoices from organ/tissue repository companies ordering these fetal organs directly from PP to then sell to biotech or academic centers.

Shipping tissues is expensive, they aren’t dumping a fetus’s liver into a leftover Amazon Prime box and sending it on 1-week USPS. It involves very expensive refrigeration packages, fast shipping, and so on.

It’s so morally despicable that they’re giving the tissues to science. We should be cremating and burying the 5-gram clump of cells instead.

So because there were “jump cuts” AKA getting to the point because people don’t have time to watch hours long videos, the entire video is fake?

Shouldn’t stop them from releasing the unedited video on the side, just to verify

They did the same thing with the planned parenthood stuff but people still dismissed it because of “dishonest editing” even though the full version showed the same. People just want to ignore whatever goes against their narrative.

Pretty sure all people do this.

The unedited video is likely 100s of hours long and wouldn’t be able to be uploaded as anything other than a .torrent efficiently.

No, but it certainly raises questions about the veracity of the reporting. Isn’t that what people are demanding these days? If something looks sketchy, call it out. Or is that only trotted out when the news goes against one’s own narrative?

the jump cuts are because this is a secretly taped conversation only loosely connected to the topic it is being presented as connected to. You have to remove context in order to present this in a way that gets the message out that the messenger wanted.

They admitted to clickbait and we’re saying it means conclusively there’s nothing real with Russia. It’s understandable since that’s a giant leap.

The same applies to Fox News as well. 24 hour cable news stations are all in it for the ratings and appealing to their base.

Two-sides of the same coin.

Cognitive dissonance

They said the same thing about the abortion videos that they were actually a setup, or maybe factually, a couple of scenes were taken out of context. Even if they were, that doesn’t dismiss the entirety of the content

You mean like how planned parenthood sells baby parts and the DNC was literally ripping up ballots? Sure seems legit.

Wait, are you actually denying that PP sells fetal organs to tissue repository companies? Bc there are actual invoices and receipts showing that these companies purchase fetal organs from PP to then resell to biotech and academic centers. The Congressional report is pretty black and white.

For profit? Yes. Which is what the video was trying to prove.

It wasn’t attempting to prove. It was showings there was probable cause for a criminal investigation. At worse they violated U.S. law, at best they were unethical ass clowns talking callously about a very sensitive subject. Either way it showed a deeply troubling culture at the heart of Planned Parenthood; and the left couldn’t allow that to be viewed by many.

You mean like how the representive from the medical research firm flat out said they were buying body parts? Is that what you’re talking about? Did you watch the unedited film that showed the exact same thing or are you falling for the ‘deceptive edit’ bs.

How about the several investigations afterwards that found no such thing is happening, and a grand jury actually indicting the people who made the video? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/2-abortion-foes-behind-planned-parenthood-videos-are-indicted.html

Charges were dropped. Update your links.

indicting the people who made the video?

The charges on them keep getting dropped and chamged

Those indictments have all been thrown out. The state AG has been shown to collude with PP to bring those charges

Liberal judges, obviously, government conspiracy to get in on that sweet sweet fetal organ market.

Based on this sub, I have to assume you aren’t being sarcastic, in which case I’m sorry you actually think that way.

I am. People taking Project Veritas as a serious source while condemning CNN is hilarious – CNN’s pretty shit, but not literally-charged-with-a-crime unethical.

Thank God for the sarcasm. And of course, the subs this is exploding on are r/conservative, r/uncensorednews, and r/conspiracy (Would assume T_D but have them filtered out. I’m fine seeing the occasional post from these subs to know their take, but that floods the feed a bit much).

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Ad Hominem attacks are the only way liberals know how to discuss things.

They are burying their heads so far in the sand that they will deny video and audio evidence

Exactly why the Dems will permanently push undecided voters to the right and continue to lose elections.

The media is not the enemy of the American people!

-The Media

r/politics moderators are removing these videos.

Here is r/politics labeling this as an “Unacceptable Source”.

Here is a working mirror to the video.

R/politics cant stand the truth

They’re awfully militant.

Reddit moderators on r/politics and r/news are typical leftists. They try to control free speech. They give an insight into what this country would be like if the left ever got control.

I take it this won’t be on r/news

Very fake news.

This is Wikileaks style, and it’s only part one

Someone make more popcorn

Well I just finished a bowl, but I can make some more if you’d like. Pop Secret Extra Butter, sprinkled with garlic salt and black/cayenne pepper ok with you?

Drowned in liberal tears I hope?

Where do you think the garlic salt comes from? Sometimes there’s even a hint of patchouli (from the hippies).

Trump is considering escalating our presence in Syria. The Senate is considering huge changes to health care. The Supreme Court just issued a bunch of interesting opinions, including one where Justice Kagan broke with the liberal justices to support a church.

CNN: lol, let’s just continue reporting the witch hunt.

This actually made me laugh. So many other legit angles they could’ve gone with vs Trump but nope. RUSSIA.

I think the REAL scandal here for the left is that a CNN producer was filmed enjoying some Chick-fil-A.

I’m not a conservative, but I’m glad this is coming out. When the media tries to whip people into a frenzy against each other, everyone loses.

Edit: Video source has a history of manipulation for conservative agenda, add grain of salt, remain skeptical of media corporations. Based on post history, /u/MiyegomboBayartsogt may be Russian propaganda shill.

Not everyone loses. Trump wins. Americans willing to work win. The people whipped into hysterical frenzy are losing it, but those indolent bed pressing citizens aren’t doing anything productive anyhow. Getting those types out in the street to pout and protest is probably the first exercise any of them have had in a long while.

You think hard-working people aren’t negatively impacted by shitty media?

So long as deep pockets and corrupt politicians can use the media with impunity to manipulate the electorate, the country is fucked. Sure, you and I might have jobs, but I’d rather strive for the quality of life under a less-corrupt regime than what exists today. Politicians actively use the media to divide the population, which distracts from actually governing the country and solving the problems millions of people have. It’s all about winning, not governing, which means American democracy is just a fucking sham…at least third-world dictators are honest about what they want.

in a normal just world, this would be in /r/all by now. Sadly, those that manages the algorithm is going to keep this from going to /r/all to reduce the red pilling as much as possible.

Two instances of it are right now, including this one. You probably won’t like the top comments on the one much higher up, though.

Wow I forgot about project Veritas. It’s oddly relieving to see them doing their thing without the stresses of the election season. It feels like I can sit back and relax and watch the dumpster fire that is the left.

Between the Russia narrative finally cracking, the democrats starting to eat each other, the Supreme Court ruling and now this, I am chuckling to myself at how right trump was. I really can’t handle this much winning in such a short amount of time. I need time to digest this much positive news. Can’t imagine how die hard liberals must feel.

Trump gambled absolutely everything – all his credibility, his political capital, his entire presidency – in a show down with the media.

Conservatives have been too chicken shit to do this for years, despite the fact we all know the media is mostly leftist propaganda. Trump came along and said, “Yeah, I’ll prove it,” and it’s working. It’s bloody well working. I am shocked how well he has flipped what looked like a hopeless narrative.

The media has lost its credibility. The deep state has been exposed to the disinfecting sun light. The Democrats have been so focused on chasing laser pointers like cats that they haven’t taken a moment to reflect on why they lost.

The Clintons are getting exposed as the snakes they are, and the whole Obama administration is taking a hit retroactively.

This is incredible. And we still might get another 2 Supremes.

tl;dr: Trump decided not to be the classic, well-trained house pet for the left. Is kicking ass. Who woulda thought?

Except the left still won’t see it that way. Still work to be done

The core of the left will never see it that way. We can only hope that a solid majority of the people will see how deluded the left is.

At least 25% of the population is irredeemable, it’s just a fact

deplorables?

No, just delusional leftists who would riot before accepting the rule of law.

Because you asked… I feel very little. There wasn’t anything in the video I didn’t already sort of know. It’s painfully obvious CNN has been hyping the hell out of this story with little to no new useful information. BUT, It doesn’t indicate at all however, that the Russia story is fake, just that CNN, like ALL cable news, is about selling a narrative their audience wants to hear, because ratings are king. I’d prefer CNN devote their time to reporting on the Nepotism, Cronyism, and incompetence of this administration, and shut the hell up about Russia until there is something to report.

CNN devote their time to reporting on the Nepotism, Cronyism, and incompetence of this administration

So stop the hysteria of a made up narrative to pick it up on a different made up narrative? Come on..

Appointing your untrained son in law to bring peace to the Middle East doesn’t smell a little like nepotism to you? You think there is no one more qualified in foreign diplomacy to tackle this task?

He should respond soon. Probably had to look up what nepotism means and is now digging through breitbart articles for an argument to regurgitate.

I feel like a lot of the things he said can be applied not only to CNN but Fox News and all cable news. Just with different agenda.

And BOOM! Just like that, CNN credibility destroyed.

To be fair, they didnt have any to begin with.

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Did you not hear “mostly bullshit” and “do it just for ratings”? This is called lying when you print false stories. The lies that were printed out a few days ago by CNN got 3 people fired.

CNN is a partisan hack of an organization that acts like it’s the Pravda arm of the DNC.

This concern trolling would not be happening if say, Fox News were caught in this kind of scheming.

Can you quote where the reporter said the leaks are bullshit?

The dude said the Trump –> Russia headlines are bullshit, not that the Trump’s Team –> Russia headline are bullshit. He also justified Russia trying to swing our election, which isn’t exactly a denial of them doing it.

Without fake news and unfounded conspiracies, Rachel Maddow will be selling oranges on the highway

This is going to be spun as out-of-context quotes that are intentionally edited to sound as a bad as possible and there really isn’t any scandal here.

The man just straight up laughed at the notion of journalistic ethics. It looks pretty bad.

He was taken out of context!!! Maybe he was reading from a play script about a jaded and corrupt Fox News journalist. /s

I think you just scored a job at CNN.

I’m just going to go by the fact I’m seeing literally dozens of newish accounts and accounts that’ve never posted in many of the subreddits this story is being posted in trying to deflect and dispute the entire video as a sign that it’s a pretty big deal for CNN right now. Seriously, I’ve never seen this much damage control on all of Reddit. Even this thread is at 58% upvoted since it hit r/all. They are panicking trying to bury this one.

I’ve noticed for months now. They like to infect subs like r/uncensorednews and other alternative subreddits that were created to get away from the shills and astroturfing.

The #1 tactic of these people is to derail conversations and change the topic.

And yet the hardcore Reddit Lefties are still pushing the Russia story. Love it and hate it at the same time. Makes them look incredibly foolish, but in the end hurts America with their ignorance.

Number 1 Trending Video on YouTube right now and it hasn’t even been a day. Of course r/politics is silent. Here’s a comment from there.

Once again, this story is already debunked & confirmed as fake. This was a low-level associate intern who decided to spew bullshit about something he has no idea about. He’s not even working directly on the Russia team. CNN has been absolutely stellar as of late and this retraction just cements that they are an elite organization that goes the extra mile to fact check and verify their sources. Couldn’t be more pleased with the stellar work CNN has been putting out lately

It’s amazing to think that these people believe the media has any reason to have any sort of journalistic integrity. Its a business. I remember during Bernie’s campaign there was a post at the top of r/all about how Clinton was funded by CNN. But now that CNN aligns with their agenda they trust them. Unbelievable.

59% upvoted, LMAOOOO

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

1) CNN, Fox News, etc. are all stupid ratings-chasing bullshit. Anyone who doesn’t see that by now isn’t paying attention. It’s been getting worse and worse throughout my life – haven’t really watched any MSM in years, but I’m guessing it’s all pretty abhorrent by now.

2) I don’t really care if news outlets secretly think a story is bullshit or not – but I do care what the FBI thinks. They thought there was enough to warrant an investigation. And now the story has become more about impeding that investigation.

As soon as I saw this video I knew the thread would be brigaded

Damning quotes aside, the most interesting takeaway is how much day to day control Jeff Zucker has over the narrative.

The video was removed

I’m a pretty leftist dude but I think we all have known CNN lost credibility during the election cycle with how they put Clinton on a pedestal.

I mean we all knew it, but this is still one of the most sickening things I have ever seen and still shocking even when you know news is all staged and money driven for agendas. The worst part for me was when he only laughs at the idea of journalistic ethics…

Wow that guy’s gonna get suicided by 4 bullets to the back of the head

Damn this is exciting

R/news is in some hard denial.

CNN isn’t just fake news. They are very fake news. And apparently proud of it. I wonder how the kiddies in r/politics will try and spin this. I mean, he literally says they don’t care about ethics in journalism. It’s kinda hard to spin that.

Edit- oh. They won’t spin it. They will just ignore it apparently. Neato

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While I must admit I am generally liberal, even I have to say all the Trump-Russia collusion stories are getting old to see. Do I think some of the things that are reported, and some of Trump’s own actions and statements seem a little sketchy? Sure. But ultimately, that’s why there is currently some sort of investigation going on. I don’t need to hear about it every day because at this point there really isn’t too much more to report, and to be honest it just takes away from actually debating the policies that are being put out, especially health care currently. If something comes up in the future from this investigation or otherwise, sure let’s bring it up again and discuss it, but unless/until something like that occurs I would rather see more talk about policies.

While I must admit I am generally liberal, even I have to say all the Trump-Russia collusion stories are getting old to see.

This is the statement that should have the Democrats scared shitless.

It’s also why they’ve been trying to pivot away from the Russian witch hunt but they’re having trouble getting their people to stop. The base is convinced Trump is a traitor and won’t let up.

because they convinced them, what a vicious web we weave….

All of our intelligence says that Russia interfered and Trump says he fired Comey to slow/stop the Russia investigation, it’s not exactly all CNNs fault.

The country should be scared shitless, not just dems.

He fired comey because comey wouldnt hold a presser saying trump wasnt under investigation. Which is true and what comey told him on three diffrent occasions.

Was it dumb? Sure.

Was it interference with the russia investigation? Not even a little bit.

Share exact sentiment.

The worst part to me is how much a lot of the media alienates people, and how much I feel that extends into the everyday political discussion. You see it on all sides. I see it all the time when people call people on the left “libtards” or “snowflakes” and people on the left respond calling people on the right “Nazis” and “bigots” and “racists” and all it does it take away from substantive conversation and instead ignore any possible points that the other side may have because they are from the other side so let’s just call them names instead of actually refute arguments or points they have made.

you are a great, great great person

Concern trolls out in full force tonight.

What really blows me away is how divided along political lines so many people are. If you are 100 percent Democrat or 100 percent Republican on issues as far as the party line goes, you are also 100 percent moron. Every issue deserves discussion. There is nuance in politics which is why most congressmen go to law school.

If anything, this should be a wakeup call to everyone about their favorite news channels.

BREAKING NEWS::::: they’re all this way. They need money to make money. Fox, CNN, Breitbart, Inforwars, all of it is for-profit. They create sensationalized headlines that their viewers care about for some reason, and that’s how you keep eyes on the tube. It’s all despicable, but not surprising.

This is huge. Can’t wait to hear the official ShareBlue narrative on this one.

No mention of this on /r/politics. Head, meet sand.

I CAN’T HANDLE ALL THIS WINNING!!

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Is this legit? How is this not exploding right now?

It will. It’s 3 am on a Monday night, this will go ham tomorrow morn.

Just about midnight here in California (but this story won’t see the light of day here). Looking forward to seeing this get huge

the world is better because of people like you. think i’ve seen your username before too

I appreciate that, you as well. Keep on the righteous path

He’s a bot

wow, a feel good bot and you can’t even see “his” post history. Really strange shit.

Except here on Reddit. The liberal circle jerk will keep it out of the main subs.

It’s O’Keefe so media will ignore it “cause he’s a criminal and propagandist”.

OANN will be playing this at 11a.m. Eastern

One America News Network said they are going to show the tapes at 11a.m. eastern!

7 hours later and it’s been taken down

Maybe that’s how.

This guy has been popped before for editing videos in ways that change the message and it was really early in the morning. The other thing is that his guy works for CNN Health, but w.e.

in ways that change the message

Any examples? I hear this said but in context his videos have always seemed equally damning. Taking down ACORN put a target on his back during an adminstration known for prosecuting joirnalists and political enemies so saying “zomg community service” doesn’t cut it for me.

Any examples? I hear this said but in context his videos have always seemed equally damning. Taking down ACORN put a target on his back during an adminstration known for prosecuting joirnalists and political enemies so saying “zomg community service” doesn’t cut it for me.

Any examples? How about the one you named yourself. O’Keefe had to pay out $100,000 to one of the former ACORN employees after he handed over the entire unedited videos which the California AG reviewed and found, “no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees nor any evidence that any employee intended to aid or abet criminal conduct.”

He even admitted in that case that he was just trying to damage ACORN and wasn’t acting with any sort of journalistic objectivity.

His entire career is like that. He releases “damning” video evidence which when compared to the raw video prove to be heavily edited segments which misrepresent the stated views of the people he films by removing context or chronologically shifting the video to make it appear bad.

By comparison, O’Keefe makes media outlets like CNN and Fox with their horribly biased and non-journalistic practices look like absolute angels.

You’re acting like the one good employee ACORN had absolves the other horrible employees who willingly helped a supposed pimp who was prostituting out underage girls and never sought help from a child advocacy group let alone the police after the meeting. You’re doing some subterfuge yourself. If O’Keefe’s undercover vids on ACORN encouraged a reform and improved protocol on how employees react to pimps and who they should contact after, then it was worth it bc, apparently, most of the employees don’t have an idea of what is right or wrong, including when it involves pedophilia.

No wrongdoing was found to have occurred by ACORN when the full video came out. That was the findings of the California AG office and the federal Government Accountability Office.

Well, half true. The case in California was a terrible case and Okeefe should be ashamed for not following through on what the workers did after he left. But the Brooklyn DA reviewed the tapes that affected their region and found that although they were heavily edited, the most damning words were still very much in context.

There was 100% wrong doing found at ACORN. You’re a liar. There was no criminal wrong doing. As being an unethical asshole is not against the law. One of the employees caught on tape had gone to the police and had been leading on O’Keefe. There was no way for O’Keefe to know that; the rest of the employees did not. That employee sued him as they lost their job and were doing the right thing.

Which means the rest of them were actively giving advice for criminal conduct and had no intention of reporting it to the police.

Not really, the msm just do to okeefe what they did to center of medical progress. Throw around ‘deceptive edit’ and dont back it up when the full tapes are released.

What part is fake?

It’s a project veritas release. The people who keep getting busted for releasing edited and out of context videos. The odds of this being legit are approaching zero. Basically, nothing this guy releases is true. He literally generates the fake for fake news.

Can you back that up?

Please provide citations.

Mirror

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

Thank you, good sir.

I’m sure I’m the minority opinion here but project veritas has a history of editing video. I don’t think we should look too much into what they do until they release raw footage. When it cuts to the background images for the “because it’s ratings” part it sounds very different than the preceding lines. CNN does suck 99% of the time but that doesn’t mean any attack against it is credible.

All videos are edited. Every single one. This ‘deceptive edit’ crap falls apart when the full vidoes are released showing it in the same context.

Ok then let’s wait until the full video is released before making concrete judgments.

We do; and they are vindicated every time by those of us who bothered to watch them. Meanwhile useful idiots read an article from Salon that claims they watched the full videos and that the clips were deceptively edited. Releasing the full videos does not get the Democrats to shut up about “doctored” videos; as that is their only deflection of the deep seated corruption within their party and their political allies.

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Can you provide a context in which his comments would be seen as ok?

It’s a business, people are like “The media has like an ethical…” psssshhhhh…

But all the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school, you’re just like, that’s adorable. That’s adorable. This is a business

You honestly couldn’t make up a worse quote if you tried to. Holy shit.

The saddest part is his words wouldn’t be so damning if they weren’t so honest.

Probably the first time he does something honest, and it is going to backfire on him.

But muh context!

I’m sure they must have edited out a part at the beginning where the Project Veritas guy said “let’s play a game where I ask you questions and you make up fake answers that make CNN look as horrible as possible.” Or a part at the end where the CNN guy said “lol jk I really had you going there didn’t I?” Right guys??

HOW DARE HE ATTACK THE STELLAR REPORTERS OF CNN

DON LEMON IS ETHICS INCARNATE

ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A RACIST

So, politics aside. People stopped paying for real reporting and news. Combine the lack of interest in actual reporting, and the media mergers and newspaper buyouts, etc and you get this media environment. It rewards shock headlines and ‘fake news,’ because no one wanted to purchase journalism and even if they did, public trading of news companies means cost cutting and share holder profits are more important than news…. so what?

we have only one model that doesn’t get fucked by this and it is NPR. And NPR ain’t great, because government funding for it got cut years ago and the replacement ‘funding from ‘charitable foundations for agenda reporting,’ and listener donations sucks. So decent reporters bounce out of NPR ASAP and American suffers.

So the market is rewarding sensationalism, and firms are producing sensationalism?

Yes.

But this isn’t anything new. Sensationalist news has been a part of the human experience for centuries.

Media mongrel Hearst from the early 20th century made his fortune off of fake news. It was common in the 19th and early 20th century. Some what died down in the mid 20th century; and became dominant again at the end of the 20th century.

we have only one model that doesn’t get fucked by this and it is NPR.

NPR has a horrible liberal bias. They’ll pick a topic like ‘The benefits of abortion’ and then discuss the topic in a somewhat fair manner. But the bias was built into the topic and no amount of honest discussion can overcome that, especially when 90% of the people talking are liberals.

I really like this response, because I agree, but not exactly in the same way. Your response illustrates a particular problem: You think NPR has a liberal bias, because you are to the right of it. I think NPR has a centrist bias, because I’m to the left of it. Either way, we both think NPR doesn’t represent our views fairly and doesn’t ask questions in an objective way.

NPR leans left; though not as much as CNN. If you were going to give it a scale of -10 to 10 (positive 10 being extreme conservative):

MSNBC: -8

CNN: -4

NPR: -2/-3

Fox: 4

National Review: 8

So if you’re a typical reader of Salon or viewer of MSNBC and you have been duped into thinking you’re somewhat moderate; than you may think NPR is “towards” the center. But there is no doubt that it leans left.

Business Insider did a piece of news source bias a few years back. NPR is, as per their research, not close to centrist but leftist .

This is cool link, however it does not say what you say it does, it says the ‘Audience of NPR is more liberal.’ It makes no conclusions about the content.

As a regular NPR listener, I can assure you that they spend a wildly disproportionate amount of time pushing issues that are only important to a tiny minority of the population (surprise: that would be a varied number of far-left activist groups that send them press releases on the topic). In the particular example I’m thinking of, the cause represents something like 10% of a 5-10% minority in the U.S. I hear the same “news” and “personal interest” stories promoting that issue literally every day. The only things that ever change are the names of the people involved (and maybe one or two minor details). It’s the exact same political narrative, hammered over and over and over again. It is literally no longer newsworthy, yet I still hear it in their “news” coverage every day.

The thing is, I’m sure that NPR doesn’t even realize how disproportionately they’re covering the topic. It’s of particular interest to them and most of their audience because it reinforces their preexisting worldview biases…and the issue has been weaponized and is now being used to attack anyone on the “other” side of that issue.

The thing is that they make no bones about it being liberal, and they are at least good at disclosure. You hear how liberal they are every 15 minutes when the call out supporters.

They also have conservative guests on all the time. Congressmen, PR staff from think-tanks, candidates and staff. They come off as smart, engaged people just looking to make things better. Sure, most of the audience and all the staff think they’re wrong. But it’s opposition, not smears

If you just want to know what’s going on in the world, you could do a whole lot worse.

I stopped listening to NPR during the 2012 election. They would have a “panel” about a political topic. The Moderator would be a hard core democrat. Then he would have 3 panelists on. One who was extremely far left (socialist), one who was a hard core Democrat, and one who was moderate (who they called a Republican). The “Republican” threw Romney and Republicans under the bus on every topic and talked about how Republicans were extreme (the guy supposedly representing Right).

That panel would have been horrible enough had they had a real conservative on there who actually believed in Republican policies (as he would be out numbered 3:1); but the fact that they put up a strawman of a Republican on just so he could provide legitimacy to the program was down right infuriating. Fuck that network.

Thank you for being a voice of reason. The real shock of this video should be the realization that all our media is like this, not just CNN.

Thank you for not going directly to the T_D “fuck MSM, CNN, they’re out to get us”…

I may not agree with most of y’all on a lot of issues, but I do agree that there are loads of issues plagueing(sp?) this country. Media and journalism being pretty damn high up there. Especially the fact that it is a driving force if the polarization and partisanship of politics we have today.

I am a big fan of government funded stuff like NPR/PBS/etc, but the thing I am worried about just as you are is how can this be funded by the [insert political party] without them having undue influence over content and context that is out out…it’s a tough question with a probably even tougher solution.

Every group will deny and try to fight news and reporting that makes them look bad. It’s PR, I get it, but when that party is directly responsible for the funding of said programming, how can one prevent retaliation when they report on the actions (good or bad) of that party.

If liberals can post salon and mother jones articles 24/7 on r/politics, they’ll probably believe whatever CNN told them anyway.

My new favorite is holding the independent up as some holy bastion of new reporting. Its little more than a tabloid

And the Guardian

US liberals like to pretend that UK news outlets are never biased

I would argue that UK news outlets are more biased.

But they’re European. Theyre much smarter than us hillbilly Americans /s

I’m in complete agreement. There is a very scummy element is These English news outlets. Have a read about the phone hack scandals if you want a good laugh

just goes to show how morally bankrupt CNN and the rest of the MSM is.

Cable news, in general, is wet, hot garbage.

Print and other forms of news are just as bad though.

It’s literally all dogshit.

This project verita video is amazing though. Puts it all out right in display.

We have the best undercover journalists, don’t we folks?

Amazing? I thought it was over produced and repetitive. They showed the same lines six times in a row.

That’s project veritas for ya

Still good that this is out there but the editing is crap lol

If everything is bad, where do you get your information?

Consensus and time.

Most of the time, most of the news from all these different “partisan” outlets is actually identical. There’s not much difference in the handling of facts, only the angle or the narrative. So when you’re looking up a story that actually matters, read the same story from 8 different, competing, clashing outlets so that forming a narrative is impossible.

News outlets are dishonest, but they don’t usually fabricate. Their spin is more like a reality TV show being edited, inserting context, or removing relevant facts. Reading all the different edits at the same time quickly reveals what is craft, and what is real. Once you do that, you have the facts.

The news brings you the facts because that’s what you ask for. But that’s not really what people want. Their business model is about offering clarity, interpreting the facts into understandable storylines. They take a complicated, crowded, confusing world, and make it nice and neat. Demand is created for a product that has nothing to do with facts. If the news industry was a gas station, facts would be the gasoline, and narrative would be the snacks and drinks.

“The news” is an entertainment product. News junkies are not informed people, they are just entertainment addicts. If you want to be informed, you have to think like a journalist, not an addict.

e: TV news is especially bad because of the medium. TV is slow, information-light, and non-interactive. Good for interviews and speeches, little else.

At the end of the day, this is what happens if you leave journalism to the free market. State sponsored news would be infinitely worse, of course, but this video is a perfect example of what happens when you try and make informing people a business.

I only trust news that doesn’t use click bait titles, doesn’t use dramatic language, and moves on to something else once the segment is over. That pretty much leaves pbs.

The current media situation is a direct result of the elimination of the fairness doctrine by Reagan, and especially the Telecommunications act of 1996 courtesy of Clinton. It’s astoundingly difficult to get a straight true version of almost any news event these days.

I know what you are trying to say, but I would actually argue it is easier.

With the internet and the democratization of information, it is not that difficult to get actual hard facts and even read spin from all sides and form your own opinion.

I think most people are just either lazy, don’t care, or want to read something from their perspective. With your take, it seems the only logical solution would be some state intervention or some new law, which would not be good.

That is a lot of trust in people. Most people just use the internet to find the “facts” to back their pre-conceived belief and stop there.

Its how we’ve ended up in/with huge echo chambers as the divide in the country grows and grows.

While I don’t necessarily disagree with your statement, and don’t trust people, I just think the vast majority don’t care.

Actually most people don’t give a shit about politics like us, and they shouldn’t. It is difficult to see that when you are passionate about it and caught up in discussion and the news everyday.

I don’t really give a shit about politics either. I just like being well-informed. That means being informed about the shell game that is modern American politics.

I sort of disagree about the internet part. I think the internet contributes to the problem because it allows people with zero critical thinking skills access to reams of truly fake news that they aren’t equipped to deal with. I recall a few months ago my Facebook feed lit up with stories posted by my more conservative friends and relatives about how Clinton was under indictment, and had fled the country in a private jet with the FBI hot on her heels. Then there was the whole pizzagate thing that ended with a guy barging into a pizza restaurant with a gun looking for a nonexistent basement full of pedophilia victims. I don’t know what the solution to all this is because regulating the internet in any way that would alleviate the problem would have massive negative consequences, and would most likely be unconstitutional to boot.

I understand your point, and it is made by many, if not most.

I just completely disagree, and believe you, and others, are blowing it out of proportion. One, I understand many people get their “news” from facebook, but it is not a news source. Rarely are people actually reading the articles posted, just the headlines and others’ opinions and then arguing in the comment section. It is more of an activity than just getting the news.

And ok people are dumb and lazy, but still, the majority of Americans, as they should be, are politically apathetic and actually don’t care about any of this shit. They just want their cute cat videos and memes, go to their jobs pay for their shit and pursue their own happiness. It is tough to see that when you are passionate about politics and see the craziness going on, as am I, but it is true.

And pizzagate was a fringe conspiracy, not believed by many, and I understand that more were open to it being true, but only a very small amount actually actively believed in it. And, overtime, the community who did actively believed in it shrunk, and I believe that is a direct result of continuous research and discussion on the open internet. That guy who went to the pizza parlor clearly was crazy and has some other issues, and was he motivated or spurred by this small fringe conspiracy community? Yes, probably, but again, it was very, very small. I am more concerned about main stream news outlets and the left openly saying the GOP is going to kill people and all republicans are Nazis, which is all accepted and mainstream, and if true, I mean somewhat justifies violence, if they are all Nazis and going to kill people?

So, you speak of trying to find a solution to something that is not really a problem. That is just what scares me, the left and right do that all the time. Err on the side of not making laws or regulations or “solutions”, freedom and the market takes care of it. The internet is much more of solution than contributing to a small problem. That form of thinking, even from a conservative point of view, only leads down the road to regulation and control, and less freedom.

I’d agree with you if I didn’t see people I regarded as reasonable and intelligent falling for this crap on a daily basis. I’ll also reiterate that I’m in no way advocating for more internet regulation, but I don’t buy the free market will fix things argument either. The free market follows profits, and telling people what they want to hear will always be more profitable, than telling simple truth.

Yes, the internet gives critical-thinkers the power to consume a ton of reports and form their own opinions, but most people aren’t doing this. Most people don’t use the internet for investigative or comparative journalism. Most people get their “news” from their television or radio broadcast of choice.

We don’t need new laws to regulate what can and cannot be reported. We don’t need a government agency picking winners and losers by controlling funding or airtime. We need some goddamn leadership. We need a president or other high-visibility leader who can be trusted, who has proven integrity, and who communicates with “both sides” to speak to the importance of holding journalists and media networks accountable.

We need the press to keep the government in check, but we need to keep the press in check. “We”, on average, don’t give a shit, so it’s hard to see this starting with us. The corporate click-bait press isn’t likely to usher a true leader into the White House, and the people there now sure as hell aren’t going to change their tune to their own detriment, so I don’t know how we get here. Sad.

“fairness doctrine” has nothing to do with this. It was a ploy to force radios to give liberal commentators shows that no one would listen to and they would lose money on.

Don’t forget that public trading of media companies means they are beholden to share holders, rather than accountable to the general public for the quality of their journalism.

hiding under the guise of the first amendment to publish stories like this is where it should be wrong, the first amendment shouldn’t protect news agencies from publishing false claims as the effect on public perception could be disastrous to the republic as we have seen this past year. It should be treated as yelling fire in a movie theater

It is absolutely amazing how deluded and ignorant the people over at r/politics can be.

This same video was posted there, and rather than be concerned about a CNN producer laughing at the idea of ‘ethics’ in their reporting, they instead claim that Okeefe only makes fake news. They are burying their heads so far in the sand that they will deny video and audio evidence, that couldn’t possibly be taken out of context, and merely attack the source. (not to mention that their favorite video against Trump, the Billy Bush grab-em-by-the-pussy video, is exactly the same type of video.)

Its the easiest way of dismissing evidence out of had without actually having to look at it.

Exactly why reddit is terrible, you can hide posts you don’t like and popular opinions go to the top.

I mean it’s good for sports and stuff, but terrible for anything opinion-formed.

They are burying their heads so far in the sand

Oh, they’re burying their heads all right, just not in sand.

Why all of the jump cuts? Veritas just opens themselves to all of this criticism. Show us the unedited video from beginning to end if it’s so damning. I will never trust a veritas video that’s not one unedited stream of content. They’ve burned bridges too many times before this to demand any less.

Have you ever watched a single investagative report in your life? All are jump cut because because there can be hours of filler between points. Do you really want to waste your time watching them order hot wings and excusing themselves for a shit?

They could make 2 versions available…

Tell you what. I’ll take 5 minute clips. Not 15-20 seconds. That make you happy?

O’Keefe released hours of raw footage for the Planned Parenthood release; and the useful idiots still ignored them. Essentially reddit was full of leftist saying “Well I read Salon; and they watched the full video and they said the clips were deceptively edited. So clearly they were doctored.”

Hopefully O’Keefe releases the raw video

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PP does actually sell fetal organs though… totaling on avg. $2-3k for all the organs sold in 1 fetus. This is not some conspiracy theory either. There are published receipts and invoices from organ/tissue repository companies ordering these fetal organs directly from PP to then sell to biotech or academic centers.

Shipping tissues is expensive, they aren’t dumping a fetus’s liver into a leftover Amazon Prime box and sending it on 1-week USPS. It involves very expensive refrigeration packages, fast shipping, and so on.

It’s so morally despicable that they’re giving the tissues to science. We should be cremating and burying the 5-gram clump of cells instead.

So because there were “jump cuts” AKA getting to the point because people don’t have time to watch hours long videos, the entire video is fake?

Shouldn’t stop them from releasing the unedited video on the side, just to verify

They did the same thing with the planned parenthood stuff but people still dismissed it because of “dishonest editing” even though the full version showed the same. People just want to ignore whatever goes against their narrative.

Pretty sure all people do this.

The unedited video is likely 100s of hours long and wouldn’t be able to be uploaded as anything other than a .torrent efficiently.

No, but it certainly raises questions about the veracity of the reporting. Isn’t that what people are demanding these days? If something looks sketchy, call it out. Or is that only trotted out when the news goes against one’s own narrative?

the jump cuts are because this is a secretly taped conversation only loosely connected to the topic it is being presented as connected to. You have to remove context in order to present this in a way that gets the message out that the messenger wanted.

They admitted to clickbait and we’re saying it means conclusively there’s nothing real with Russia. It’s understandable since that’s a giant leap.

The same applies to Fox News as well. 24 hour cable news stations are all in it for the ratings and appealing to their base.

Two-sides of the same coin.

Cognitive dissonance

They said the same thing about the abortion videos that they were actually a setup, or maybe factually, a couple of scenes were taken out of context. Even if they were, that doesn’t dismiss the entirety of the content

You mean like how planned parenthood sells baby parts and the DNC was literally ripping up ballots? Sure seems legit.

Wait, are you actually denying that PP sells fetal organs to tissue repository companies? Bc there are actual invoices and receipts showing that these companies purchase fetal organs from PP to then resell to biotech and academic centers. The Congressional report is pretty black and white.

For profit? Yes. Which is what the video was trying to prove.

It wasn’t attempting to prove. It was showings there was probable cause for a criminal investigation. At worse they violated U.S. law, at best they were unethical ass clowns talking callously about a very sensitive subject. Either way it showed a deeply troubling culture at the heart of Planned Parenthood; and the left couldn’t allow that to be viewed by many.

You mean like how the representive from the medical research firm flat out said they were buying body parts? Is that what you’re talking about? Did you watch the unedited film that showed the exact same thing or are you falling for the ‘deceptive edit’ bs.

How about the several investigations afterwards that found no such thing is happening, and a grand jury actually indicting the people who made the video? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/2-abortion-foes-behind-planned-parenthood-videos-are-indicted.html

Charges were dropped. Update your links.

indicting the people who made the video?

The charges on them keep getting dropped and chamged

Those indictments have all been thrown out. The state AG has been shown to collude with PP to bring those charges

Liberal judges, obviously, government conspiracy to get in on that sweet sweet fetal organ market.

Based on this sub, I have to assume you aren’t being sarcastic, in which case I’m sorry you actually think that way.

I am. People taking Project Veritas as a serious source while condemning CNN is hilarious – CNN’s pretty shit, but not literally-charged-with-a-crime unethical.

Thank God for the sarcasm. And of course, the subs this is exploding on are r/conservative, r/uncensorednews, and r/conspiracy (Would assume T_D but have them filtered out. I’m fine seeing the occasional post from these subs to know their take, but that floods the feed a bit much).

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Ad Hominem attacks are the only way liberals know how to discuss things.

They are burying their heads so far in the sand that they will deny video and audio evidence

Exactly why the Dems will permanently push undecided voters to the right and continue to lose elections.

The media is not the enemy of the American people!

-The Media

r/politics moderators are removing these videos.

Here is r/politics labeling this as an “Unacceptable Source”.

Here is a working mirror to the video.

R/politics cant stand the truth

They’re awfully militant.

Reddit moderators on r/politics and r/news are typical leftists. They try to control free speech. They give an insight into what this country would be like if the left ever got control.

I take it this won’t be on r/news

Very fake news.

This is Wikileaks style, and it’s only part one

Someone make more popcorn

Well I just finished a bowl, but I can make some more if you’d like. Pop Secret Extra Butter, sprinkled with garlic salt and black/cayenne pepper ok with you?

Drowned in liberal tears I hope?

Where do you think the garlic salt comes from? Sometimes there’s even a hint of patchouli (from the hippies).

Trump is considering escalating our presence in Syria. The Senate is considering huge changes to health care. The Supreme Court just issued a bunch of interesting opinions, including one where Justice Kagan broke with the liberal justices to support a church.

CNN: lol, let’s just continue reporting the witch hunt.

This actually made me laugh. So many other legit angles they could’ve gone with vs Trump but nope. RUSSIA.

I think the REAL scandal here for the left is that a CNN producer was filmed enjoying some Chick-fil-A.

I’m not a conservative, but I’m glad this is coming out. When the media tries to whip people into a frenzy against each other, everyone loses.

Edit: Video source has a history of manipulation for conservative agenda, add grain of salt, remain skeptical of media corporations. Based on post history, /u/MiyegomboBayartsogt may be Russian propaganda shill.

Not everyone loses. Trump wins. Americans willing to work win. The people whipped into hysterical frenzy are losing it, but those indolent bed pressing citizens aren’t doing anything productive anyhow. Getting those types out in the street to pout and protest is probably the first exercise any of them have had in a long while.

You think hard-working people aren’t negatively impacted by shitty media?

So long as deep pockets and corrupt politicians can use the media with impunity to manipulate the electorate, the country is fucked. Sure, you and I might have jobs, but I’d rather strive for the quality of life under a less-corrupt regime than what exists today. Politicians actively use the media to divide the population, which distracts from actually governing the country and solving the problems millions of people have. It’s all about winning, not governing, which means American democracy is just a fucking sham…at least third-world dictators are honest about what they want.

in a normal just world, this would be in /r/all by now. Sadly, those that manages the algorithm is going to keep this from going to /r/all to reduce the red pilling as much as possible.

Two instances of it are right now, including this one. You probably won’t like the top comments on the one much higher up, though.

Wow I forgot about project Veritas. It’s oddly relieving to see them doing their thing without the stresses of the election season. It feels like I can sit back and relax and watch the dumpster fire that is the left.

Between the Russia narrative finally cracking, the democrats starting to eat each other, the Supreme Court ruling and now this, I am chuckling to myself at how right trump was. I really can’t handle this much winning in such a short amount of time. I need time to digest this much positive news. Can’t imagine how die hard liberals must feel.

Trump gambled absolutely everything – all his credibility, his political capital, his entire presidency – in a show down with the media.

Conservatives have been too chicken shit to do this for years, despite the fact we all know the media is mostly leftist propaganda. Trump came along and said, “Yeah, I’ll prove it,” and it’s working. It’s bloody well working. I am shocked how well he has flipped what looked like a hopeless narrative.

The media has lost its credibility. The deep state has been exposed to the disinfecting sun light. The Democrats have been so focused on chasing laser pointers like cats that they haven’t taken a moment to reflect on why they lost.

The Clintons are getting exposed as the snakes they are, and the whole Obama administration is taking a hit retroactively.

This is incredible. And we still might get another 2 Supremes.

tl;dr: Trump decided not to be the classic, well-trained house pet for the left. Is kicking ass. Who woulda thought?

Except the left still won’t see it that way. Still work to be done

The core of the left will never see it that way. We can only hope that a solid majority of the people will see how deluded the left is.

At least 25% of the population is irredeemable, it’s just a fact

deplorables?

No, just delusional leftists who would riot before accepting the rule of law.

Because you asked… I feel very little. There wasn’t anything in the video I didn’t already sort of know. It’s painfully obvious CNN has been hyping the hell out of this story with little to no new useful information. BUT, It doesn’t indicate at all however, that the Russia story is fake, just that CNN, like ALL cable news, is about selling a narrative their audience wants to hear, because ratings are king. I’d prefer CNN devote their time to reporting on the Nepotism, Cronyism, and incompetence of this administration, and shut the hell up about Russia until there is something to report.

CNN devote their time to reporting on the Nepotism, Cronyism, and incompetence of this administration

So stop the hysteria of a made up narrative to pick it up on a different made up narrative? Come on..

Appointing your untrained son in law to bring peace to the Middle East doesn’t smell a little like nepotism to you? You think there is no one more qualified in foreign diplomacy to tackle this task?

He should respond soon. Probably had to look up what nepotism means and is now digging through breitbart articles for an argument to regurgitate.

I feel like a lot of the things he said can be applied not only to CNN but Fox News and all cable news. Just with different agenda.

And BOOM! Just like that, CNN credibility destroyed.

To be fair, they didnt have any to begin with.

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Did you not hear “mostly bullshit” and “do it just for ratings”? This is called lying when you print false stories. The lies that were printed out a few days ago by CNN got 3 people fired.

CNN is a partisan hack of an organization that acts like it’s the Pravda arm of the DNC.

This concern trolling would not be happening if say, Fox News were caught in this kind of scheming.

Can you quote where the reporter said the leaks are bullshit?

The dude said the Trump –> Russia headlines are bullshit, not that the Trump’s Team –> Russia headline are bullshit. He also justified Russia trying to swing our election, which isn’t exactly a denial of them doing it.

Without fake news and unfounded conspiracies, Rachel Maddow will be selling oranges on the highway

This is going to be spun as out-of-context quotes that are intentionally edited to sound as a bad as possible and there really isn’t any scandal here.

The man just straight up laughed at the notion of journalistic ethics. It looks pretty bad.

He was taken out of context!!! Maybe he was reading from a play script about a jaded and corrupt Fox News journalist. /s

I think you just scored a job at CNN.

I’m just going to go by the fact I’m seeing literally dozens of newish accounts and accounts that’ve never posted in many of the subreddits this story is being posted in trying to deflect and dispute the entire video as a sign that it’s a pretty big deal for CNN right now. Seriously, I’ve never seen this much damage control on all of Reddit. Even this thread is at 58% upvoted since it hit r/all. They are panicking trying to bury this one.

I’ve noticed for months now. They like to infect subs like r/uncensorednews and other alternative subreddits that were created to get away from the shills and astroturfing.

The #1 tactic of these people is to derail conversations and change the topic.

And yet the hardcore Reddit Lefties are still pushing the Russia story. Love it and hate it at the same time. Makes them look incredibly foolish, but in the end hurts America with their ignorance.

Number 1 Trending Video on YouTube right now and it hasn’t even been a day. Of course r/politics is silent. Here’s a comment from there.

Once again, this story is already debunked & confirmed as fake. This was a low-level associate intern who decided to spew bullshit about something he has no idea about. He’s not even working directly on the Russia team. CNN has been absolutely stellar as of late and this retraction just cements that they are an elite organization that goes the extra mile to fact check and verify their sources. Couldn’t be more pleased with the stellar work CNN has been putting out lately

It’s amazing to think that these people believe the media has any reason to have any sort of journalistic integrity. Its a business. I remember during Bernie’s campaign there was a post at the top of r/all about how Clinton was funded by CNN. But now that CNN aligns with their agenda they trust them. Unbelievable.

59% upvoted, LMAOOOO

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

1) CNN, Fox News, etc. are all stupid ratings-chasing bullshit. Anyone who doesn’t see that by now isn’t paying attention. It’s been getting worse and worse throughout my life – haven’t really watched any MSM in years, but I’m guessing it’s all pretty abhorrent by now.

2) I don’t really care if news outlets secretly think a story is bullshit or not – but I do care what the FBI thinks. They thought there was enough to warrant an investigation. And now the story has become more about impeding that investigation.

As soon as I saw this video I knew the thread would be brigaded

Damning quotes aside, the most interesting takeaway is how much day to day control Jeff Zucker has over the narrative.

The video was removed

I’m a pretty leftist dude but I think we all have known CNN lost credibility during the election cycle with how they put Clinton on a pedestal.

I mean we all knew it, but this is still one of the most sickening things I have ever seen and still shocking even when you know news is all staged and money driven for agendas. The worst part for me was when he only laughs at the idea of journalistic ethics…

Wow that guy’s gonna get suicided by 4 bullets to the back of the head

Damn this is exciting

R/news is in some hard denial.

CNN isn’t just fake news. They are very fake news. And apparently proud of it. I wonder how the kiddies in r/politics will try and spin this. I mean, he literally says they don’t care about ethics in journalism. It’s kinda hard to spin that.

Edit- oh. They won’t spin it. They will just ignore it apparently. Neato

Edit again- Hi shareblue! Thanks for stopping by to downvote us.

While I must admit I am generally liberal, even I have to say all the Trump-Russia collusion stories are getting old to see. Do I think some of the things that are reported, and some of Trump’s own actions and statements seem a little sketchy? Sure. But ultimately, that’s why there is currently some sort of investigation going on. I don’t need to hear about it every day because at this point there really isn’t too much more to report, and to be honest it just takes away from actually debating the policies that are being put out, especially health care currently. If something comes up in the future from this investigation or otherwise, sure let’s bring it up again and discuss it, but unless/until something like that occurs I would rather see more talk about policies.

While I must admit I am generally liberal, even I have to say all the Trump-Russia collusion stories are getting old to see.

This is the statement that should have the Democrats scared shitless.

It’s also why they’ve been trying to pivot away from the Russian witch hunt but they’re having trouble getting their people to stop. The base is convinced Trump is a traitor and won’t let up.

because they convinced them, what a vicious web we weave….

All of our intelligence says that Russia interfered and Trump says he fired Comey to slow/stop the Russia investigation, it’s not exactly all CNNs fault.

The country should be scared shitless, not just dems.

He fired comey because comey wouldnt hold a presser saying trump wasnt under investigation. Which is true and what comey told him on three diffrent occasions.

Was it dumb? Sure.

Was it interference with the russia investigation? Not even a little bit.

Share exact sentiment.

The worst part to me is how much a lot of the media alienates people, and how much I feel that extends into the everyday political discussion. You see it on all sides. I see it all the time when people call people on the left “libtards” or “snowflakes” and people on the left respond calling people on the right “Nazis” and “bigots” and “racists” and all it does it take away from substantive conversation and instead ignore any possible points that the other side may have because they are from the other side so let’s just call them names instead of actually refute arguments or points they have made.

you are a great, great great person

Concern trolls out in full force tonight.

What really blows me away is how divided along political lines so many people are. If you are 100 percent Democrat or 100 percent Republican on issues as far as the party line goes, you are also 100 percent moron. Every issue deserves discussion. There is nuance in politics which is why most congressmen go to law school.

If anything, this should be a wakeup call to everyone about their favorite news channels.

BREAKING NEWS::::: they’re all this way. They need money to make money. Fox, CNN, Breitbart, Inforwars, all of it is for-profit. They create sensationalized headlines that their viewers care about for some reason, and that’s how you keep eyes on the tube. It’s all despicable, but not surprising.

This is huge. Can’t wait to hear the official ShareBlue narrative on this one.

No mention of this on /r/politics. Head, meet sand.

I CAN’T HANDLE ALL THIS WINNING!!

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Is this legit? How is this not exploding right now?

It will. It’s 3 am on a Monday night, this will go ham tomorrow morn.

Just about midnight here in California (but this story won’t see the light of day here). Looking forward to seeing this get huge

the world is better because of people like you. think i’ve seen your username before too

I appreciate that, you as well. Keep on the righteous path

He’s a bot

wow, a feel good bot and you can’t even see “his” post history. Really strange shit.

Except here on Reddit. The liberal circle jerk will keep it out of the main subs.

It’s O’Keefe so media will ignore it “cause he’s a criminal and propagandist”.

OANN will be playing this at 11a.m. Eastern

One America News Network said they are going to show the tapes at 11a.m. eastern!

7 hours later and it’s been taken down

Maybe that’s how.

This guy has been popped before for editing videos in ways that change the message and it was really early in the morning. The other thing is that his guy works for CNN Health, but w.e.

in ways that change the message

Any examples? I hear this said but in context his videos have always seemed equally damning. Taking down ACORN put a target on his back during an adminstration known for prosecuting joirnalists and political enemies so saying “zomg community service” doesn’t cut it for me.

Any examples? I hear this said but in context his videos have always seemed equally damning. Taking down ACORN put a target on his back during an adminstration known for prosecuting joirnalists and political enemies so saying “zomg community service” doesn’t cut it for me.

Any examples? How about the one you named yourself. O’Keefe had to pay out $100,000 to one of the former ACORN employees after he handed over the entire unedited videos which the California AG reviewed and found, “no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees nor any evidence that any employee intended to aid or abet criminal conduct.”

He even admitted in that case that he was just trying to damage ACORN and wasn’t acting with any sort of journalistic objectivity.

His entire career is like that. He releases “damning” video evidence which when compared to the raw video prove to be heavily edited segments which misrepresent the stated views of the people he films by removing context or chronologically shifting the video to make it appear bad.

By comparison, O’Keefe makes media outlets like CNN and Fox with their horribly biased and non-journalistic practices look like absolute angels.

You’re acting like the one good employee ACORN had absolves the other horrible employees who willingly helped a supposed pimp who was prostituting out underage girls and never sought help from a child advocacy group let alone the police after the meeting. You’re doing some subterfuge yourself. If O’Keefe’s undercover vids on ACORN encouraged a reform and improved protocol on how employees react to pimps and who they should contact after, then it was worth it bc, apparently, most of the employees don’t have an idea of what is right or wrong, including when it involves pedophilia.

No wrongdoing was found to have occurred by ACORN when the full video came out. That was the findings of the California AG office and the federal Government Accountability Office.

Well, half true. The case in California was a terrible case and Okeefe should be ashamed for not following through on what the workers did after he left. But the Brooklyn DA reviewed the tapes that affected their region and found that although they were heavily edited, the most damning words were still very much in context.

There was 100% wrong doing found at ACORN. You’re a liar. There was no criminal wrong doing. As being an unethical asshole is not against the law. One of the employees caught on tape had gone to the police and had been leading on O’Keefe. There was no way for O’Keefe to know that; the rest of the employees did not. That employee sued him as they lost their job and were doing the right thing.

Which means the rest of them were actively giving advice for criminal conduct and had no intention of reporting it to the police.

Not really, the msm just do to okeefe what they did to center of medical progress. Throw around ‘deceptive edit’ and dont back it up when the full tapes are released.

What part is fake?

It’s a project veritas release. The people who keep getting busted for releasing edited and out of context videos. The odds of this being legit are approaching zero. Basically, nothing this guy releases is true. He literally generates the fake for fake news.

Can you back that up?

Please provide citations.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

Thank you, good sir.

I’m sure I’m the minority opinion here but project veritas has a history of editing video. I don’t think we should look too much into what they do until they release raw footage. When it cuts to the background images for the “because it’s ratings” part it sounds very different than the preceding lines. CNN does suck 99% of the time but that doesn’t mean any attack against it is credible.

All videos are edited. Every single one. This ‘deceptive edit’ crap falls apart when the full vidoes are released showing it in the same context.

Ok then let’s wait until the full video is released before making concrete judgments.

We do; and they are vindicated every time by those of us who bothered to watch them. Meanwhile useful idiots read an article from Salon that claims they watched the full videos and that the clips were deceptively edited. Releasing the full videos does not get the Democrats to shut up about “doctored” videos; as that is their only deflection of the deep seated corruption within their party and their political allies.

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Can you provide a context in which his comments would be seen as ok?

It’s a business, people are like “The media has like an ethical…” psssshhhhh…

But all the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school, you’re just like, that’s adorable. That’s adorable. This is a business

You honestly couldn’t make up a worse quote if you tried to. Holy shit.

The saddest part is his words wouldn’t be so damning if they weren’t so honest.

Probably the first time he does something honest, and it is going to backfire on him.

But muh context!

I’m sure they must have edited out a part at the beginning where the Project Veritas guy said “let’s play a game where I ask you questions and you make up fake answers that make CNN look as horrible as possible.” Or a part at the end where the CNN guy said “lol jk I really had you going there didn’t I?” Right guys??

HOW DARE HE ATTACK THE STELLAR REPORTERS OF CNN

DON LEMON IS ETHICS INCARNATE

ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A RACIST

So, politics aside. People stopped paying for real reporting and news. Combine the lack of interest in actual reporting, and the media mergers and newspaper buyouts, etc and you get this media environment. It rewards shock headlines and ‘fake news,’ because no one wanted to purchase journalism and even if they did, public trading of news companies means cost cutting and share holder profits are more important than news…. so what?

we have only one model that doesn’t get fucked by this and it is NPR. And NPR ain’t great, because government funding for it got cut years ago and the replacement ‘funding from ‘charitable foundations for agenda reporting,’ and listener donations sucks. So decent reporters bounce out of NPR ASAP and American suffers.

So the market is rewarding sensationalism, and firms are producing sensationalism?

Yes.

But this isn’t anything new. Sensationalist news has been a part of the human experience for centuries.

Media mongrel Hearst from the early 20th century made his fortune off of fake news. It was common in the 19th and early 20th century. Some what died down in the mid 20th century; and became dominant again at the end of the 20th century.

we have only one model that doesn’t get fucked by this and it is NPR.

NPR has a horrible liberal bias. They’ll pick a topic like ‘The benefits of abortion’ and then discuss the topic in a somewhat fair manner. But the bias was built into the topic and no amount of honest discussion can overcome that, especially when 90% of the people talking are liberals.

I really like this response, because I agree, but not exactly in the same way. Your response illustrates a particular problem: You think NPR has a liberal bias, because you are to the right of it. I think NPR has a centrist bias, because I’m to the left of it. Either way, we both think NPR doesn’t represent our views fairly and doesn’t ask questions in an objective way.

NPR leans left; though not as much as CNN. If you were going to give it a scale of -10 to 10 (positive 10 being extreme conservative):

MSNBC: -8

CNN: -4

NPR: -2/-3

Fox: 4

National Review: 8

So if you’re a typical reader of Salon or viewer of MSNBC and you have been duped into thinking you’re somewhat moderate; than you may think NPR is “towards” the center. But there is no doubt that it leans left.

Business Insider did a piece of news source bias a few years back. NPR is, as per their research, not close to centrist but leftist .

This is cool link, however it does not say what you say it does, it says the ‘Audience of NPR is more liberal.’ It makes no conclusions about the content.

As a regular NPR listener, I can assure you that they spend a wildly disproportionate amount of time pushing issues that are only important to a tiny minority of the population (surprise: that would be a varied number of far-left activist groups that send them press releases on the topic). In the particular example I’m thinking of, the cause represents something like 10% of a 5-10% minority in the U.S. I hear the same “news” and “personal interest” stories promoting that issue literally every day. The only things that ever change are the names of the people involved (and maybe one or two minor details). It’s the exact same political narrative, hammered over and over and over again. It is literally no longer newsworthy, yet I still hear it in their “news” coverage every day.

The thing is, I’m sure that NPR doesn’t even realize how disproportionately they’re covering the topic. It’s of particular interest to them and most of their audience because it reinforces their preexisting worldview biases…and the issue has been weaponized and is now being used to attack anyone on the “other” side of that issue.

The thing is that they make no bones about it being liberal, and they are at least good at disclosure. You hear how liberal they are every 15 minutes when the call out supporters.

They also have conservative guests on all the time. Congressmen, PR staff from think-tanks, candidates and staff. They come off as smart, engaged people just looking to make things better. Sure, most of the audience and all the staff think they’re wrong. But it’s opposition, not smears

If you just want to know what’s going on in the world, you could do a whole lot worse.

I stopped listening to NPR during the 2012 election. They would have a “panel” about a political topic. The Moderator would be a hard core democrat. Then he would have 3 panelists on. One who was extremely far left (socialist), one who was a hard core Democrat, and one who was moderate (who they called a Republican). The “Republican” threw Romney and Republicans under the bus on every topic and talked about how Republicans were extreme (the guy supposedly representing Right).

That panel would have been horrible enough had they had a real conservative on there who actually believed in Republican policies (as he would be out numbered 3:1); but the fact that they put up a strawman of a Republican on just so he could provide legitimacy to the program was down right infuriating. Fuck that network.

Thank you for being a voice of reason. The real shock of this video should be the realization that all our media is like this, not just CNN.

Thank you for not going directly to the T_D “fuck MSM, CNN, they’re out to get us”…

I may not agree with most of y’all on a lot of issues, but I do agree that there are loads of issues plagueing(sp?) this country. Media and journalism being pretty damn high up there. Especially the fact that it is a driving force if the polarization and partisanship of politics we have today.

I am a big fan of government funded stuff like NPR/PBS/etc, but the thing I am worried about just as you are is how can this be funded by the [insert political party] without them having undue influence over content and context that is out out…it’s a tough question with a probably even tougher solution.

Every group will deny and try to fight news and reporting that makes them look bad. It’s PR, I get it, but when that party is directly responsible for the funding of said programming, how can one prevent retaliation when they report on the actions (good or bad) of that party.

If liberals can post salon and mother jones articles 24/7 on r/politics, they’ll probably believe whatever CNN told them anyway.

My new favorite is holding the independent up as some holy bastion of new reporting. Its little more than a tabloid

And the Guardian

US liberals like to pretend that UK news outlets are never biased

I would argue that UK news outlets are more biased.

But they’re European. Theyre much smarter than us hillbilly Americans /s

I’m in complete agreement. There is a very scummy element is These English news outlets. Have a read about the phone hack scandals if you want a good laugh

just goes to show how morally bankrupt CNN and the rest of the MSM is.

Cable news, in general, is wet, hot garbage.

Print and other forms of news are just as bad though.

It’s literally all dogshit.

This project verita video is amazing though. Puts it all out right in display.

We have the best undercover journalists, don’t we folks?

Amazing? I thought it was over produced and repetitive. They showed the same lines six times in a row.

That’s project veritas for ya

Still good that this is out there but the editing is crap lol

If everything is bad, where do you get your information?

Consensus and time.

Most of the time, most of the news from all these different “partisan” outlets is actually identical. There’s not much difference in the handling of facts, only the angle or the narrative. So when you’re looking up a story that actually matters, read the same story from 8 different, competing, clashing outlets so that forming a narrative is impossible.

News outlets are dishonest, but they don’t usually fabricate. Their spin is more like a reality TV show being edited, inserting context, or removing relevant facts. Reading all the different edits at the same time quickly reveals what is craft, and what is real. Once you do that, you have the facts.

The news brings you the facts because that’s what you ask for. But that’s not really what people want. Their business model is about offering clarity, interpreting the facts into understandable storylines. They take a complicated, crowded, confusing world, and make it nice and neat. Demand is created for a product that has nothing to do with facts. If the news industry was a gas station, facts would be the gasoline, and narrative would be the snacks and drinks.

“The news” is an entertainment product. News junkies are not informed people, they are just entertainment addicts. If you want to be informed, you have to think like a journalist, not an addict.

e: TV news is especially bad because of the medium. TV is slow, information-light, and non-interactive. Good for interviews and speeches, little else.

At the end of the day, this is what happens if you leave journalism to the free market. State sponsored news would be infinitely worse, of course, but this video is a perfect example of what happens when you try and make informing people a business.

I only trust news that doesn’t use click bait titles, doesn’t use dramatic language, and moves on to something else once the segment is over. That pretty much leaves pbs.

The current media situation is a direct result of the elimination of the fairness doctrine by Reagan, and especially the Telecommunications act of 1996 courtesy of Clinton. It’s astoundingly difficult to get a straight true version of almost any news event these days.

I know what you are trying to say, but I would actually argue it is easier.

With the internet and the democratization of information, it is not that difficult to get actual hard facts and even read spin from all sides and form your own opinion.

I think most people are just either lazy, don’t care, or want to read something from their perspective. With your take, it seems the only logical solution would be some state intervention or some new law, which would not be good.

That is a lot of trust in people. Most people just use the internet to find the “facts” to back their pre-conceived belief and stop there.

Its how we’ve ended up in/with huge echo chambers as the divide in the country grows and grows.

While I don’t necessarily disagree with your statement, and don’t trust people, I just think the vast majority don’t care.

Actually most people don’t give a shit about politics like us, and they shouldn’t. It is difficult to see that when you are passionate about it and caught up in discussion and the news everyday.

I don’t really give a shit about politics either. I just like being well-informed. That means being informed about the shell game that is modern American politics.

I sort of disagree about the internet part. I think the internet contributes to the problem because it allows people with zero critical thinking skills access to reams of truly fake news that they aren’t equipped to deal with. I recall a few months ago my Facebook feed lit up with stories posted by my more conservative friends and relatives about how Clinton was under indictment, and had fled the country in a private jet with the FBI hot on her heels. Then there was the whole pizzagate thing that ended with a guy barging into a pizza restaurant with a gun looking for a nonexistent basement full of pedophilia victims. I don’t know what the solution to all this is because regulating the internet in any way that would alleviate the problem would have massive negative consequences, and would most likely be unconstitutional to boot.

I understand your point, and it is made by many, if not most.

I just completely disagree, and believe you, and others, are blowing it out of proportion. One, I understand many people get their “news” from facebook, but it is not a news source. Rarely are people actually reading the articles posted, just the headlines and others’ opinions and then arguing in the comment section. It is more of an activity than just getting the news.

And ok people are dumb and lazy, but still, the majority of Americans, as they should be, are politically apathetic and actually don’t care about any of this shit. They just want their cute cat videos and memes, go to their jobs pay for their shit and pursue their own happiness. It is tough to see that when you are passionate about politics and see the craziness going on, as am I, but it is true.

And pizzagate was a fringe conspiracy, not believed by many, and I understand that more were open to it being true, but only a very small amount actually actively believed in it. And, overtime, the community who did actively believed in it shrunk, and I believe that is a direct result of continuous research and discussion on the open internet. That guy who went to the pizza parlor clearly was crazy and has some other issues, and was he motivated or spurred by this small fringe conspiracy community? Yes, probably, but again, it was very, very small. I am more concerned about main stream news outlets and the left openly saying the GOP is going to kill people and all republicans are Nazis, which is all accepted and mainstream, and if true, I mean somewhat justifies violence, if they are all Nazis and going to kill people?

So, you speak of trying to find a solution to something that is not really a problem. That is just what scares me, the left and right do that all the time. Err on the side of not making laws or regulations or “solutions”, freedom and the market takes care of it. The internet is much more of solution than contributing to a small problem. That form of thinking, even from a conservative point of view, only leads down the road to regulation and control, and less freedom.

I’d agree with you if I didn’t see people I regarded as reasonable and intelligent falling for this crap on a daily basis. I’ll also reiterate that I’m in no way advocating for more internet regulation, but I don’t buy the free market will fix things argument either. The free market follows profits, and telling people what they want to hear will always be more profitable, than telling simple truth.

Yes, the internet gives critical-thinkers the power to consume a ton of reports and form their own opinions, but most people aren’t doing this. Most people don’t use the internet for investigative or comparative journalism. Most people get their “news” from their television or radio broadcast of choice.

We don’t need new laws to regulate what can and cannot be reported. We don’t need a government agency picking winners and losers by controlling funding or airtime. We need some goddamn leadership. We need a president or other high-visibility leader who can be trusted, who has proven integrity, and who communicates with “both sides” to speak to the importance of holding journalists and media networks accountable.

We need the press to keep the government in check, but we need to keep the press in check. “We”, on average, don’t give a shit, so it’s hard to see this starting with us. The corporate click-bait press isn’t likely to usher a true leader into the White House, and the people there now sure as hell aren’t going to change their tune to their own detriment, so I don’t know how we get here. Sad.

“fairness doctrine” has nothing to do with this. It was a ploy to force radios to give liberal commentators shows that no one would listen to and they would lose money on.

Don’t forget that public trading of media companies means they are beholden to share holders, rather than accountable to the general public for the quality of their journalism.

hiding under the guise of the first amendment to publish stories like this is where it should be wrong, the first amendment shouldn’t protect news agencies from publishing false claims as the effect on public perception could be disastrous to the republic as we have seen this past year. It should be treated as yelling fire in a movie theater

It is absolutely amazing how deluded and ignorant the people over at r/politics can be.

This same video was posted there, and rather than be concerned about a CNN producer laughing at the idea of ‘ethics’ in their reporting, they instead claim that Okeefe only makes fake news. They are burying their heads so far in the sand that they will deny video and audio evidence, that couldn’t possibly be taken out of context, and merely attack the source. (not to mention that their favorite video against Trump, the Billy Bush grab-em-by-the-pussy video, is exactly the same type of video.)

Its the easiest way of dismissing evidence out of had without actually having to look at it.

Exactly why reddit is terrible, you can hide posts you don’t like and popular opinions go to the top.

I mean it’s good for sports and stuff, but terrible for anything opinion-formed.

They are burying their heads so far in the sand

Oh, they’re burying their heads all right, just not in sand.

Why all of the jump cuts? Veritas just opens themselves to all of this criticism. Show us the unedited video from beginning to end if it’s so damning. I will never trust a veritas video that’s not one unedited stream of content. They’ve burned bridges too many times before this to demand any less.

Have you ever watched a single investagative report in your life? All are jump cut because because there can be hours of filler between points. Do you really want to waste your time watching them order hot wings and excusing themselves for a shit?

They could make 2 versions available…

Tell you what. I’ll take 5 minute clips. Not 15-20 seconds. That make you happy?

O’Keefe released hours of raw footage for the Planned Parenthood release; and the useful idiots still ignored them. Essentially reddit was full of leftist saying “Well I read Salon; and they watched the full video and they said the clips were deceptively edited. So clearly they were doctored.”

Hopefully O’Keefe releases the raw video

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PP does actually sell fetal organs though… totaling on avg. $2-3k for all the organs sold in 1 fetus. This is not some conspiracy theory either. There are published receipts and invoices from organ/tissue repository companies ordering these fetal organs directly from PP to then sell to biotech or academic centers.

Shipping tissues is expensive, they aren’t dumping a fetus’s liver into a leftover Amazon Prime box and sending it on 1-week USPS. It involves very expensive refrigeration packages, fast shipping, and so on.

It’s so morally despicable that they’re giving the tissues to science. We should be cremating and burying the 5-gram clump of cells instead.

So because there were “jump cuts” AKA getting to the point because people don’t have time to watch hours long videos, the entire video is fake?

Shouldn’t stop them from releasing the unedited video on the side, just to verify

They did the same thing with the planned parenthood stuff but people still dismissed it because of “dishonest editing” even though the full version showed the same. People just want to ignore whatever goes against their narrative.

Pretty sure all people do this.

The unedited video is likely 100s of hours long and wouldn’t be able to be uploaded as anything other than a .torrent efficiently.

No, but it certainly raises questions about the veracity of the reporting. Isn’t that what people are demanding these days? If something looks sketchy, call it out. Or is that only trotted out when the news goes against one’s own narrative?

the jump cuts are because this is a secretly taped conversation only loosely connected to the topic it is being presented as connected to. You have to remove context in order to present this in a way that gets the message out that the messenger wanted.

They admitted to clickbait and we’re saying it means conclusively there’s nothing real with Russia. It’s understandable since that’s a giant leap.

The same applies to Fox News as well. 24 hour cable news stations are all in it for the ratings and appealing to their base.

Two-sides of the same coin.

Cognitive dissonance

They said the same thing about the abortion videos that they were actually a setup, or maybe factually, a couple of scenes were taken out of context. Even if they were, that doesn’t dismiss the entirety of the content

You mean like how planned parenthood sells baby parts and the DNC was literally ripping up ballots? Sure seems legit.

Wait, are you actually denying that PP sells fetal organs to tissue repository companies? Bc there are actual invoices and receipts showing that these companies purchase fetal organs from PP to then resell to biotech and academic centers. The Congressional report is pretty black and white.

For profit? Yes. Which is what the video was trying to prove.

It wasn’t attempting to prove. It was showings there was probable cause for a criminal investigation. At worse they violated U.S. law, at best they were unethical ass clowns talking callously about a very sensitive subject. Either way it showed a deeply troubling culture at the heart of Planned Parenthood; and the left couldn’t allow that to be viewed by many.

You mean like how the representive from the medical research firm flat out said they were buying body parts? Is that what you’re talking about? Did you watch the unedited film that showed the exact same thing or are you falling for the ‘deceptive edit’ bs.

How about the several investigations afterwards that found no such thing is happening, and a grand jury actually indicting the people who made the video? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/2-abortion-foes-behind-planned-parenthood-videos-are-indicted.html

Charges were dropped. Update your links.

indicting the people who made the video?

The charges on them keep getting dropped and chamged

Those indictments have all been thrown out. The state AG has been shown to collude with PP to bring those charges

Liberal judges, obviously, government conspiracy to get in on that sweet sweet fetal organ market.

Based on this sub, I have to assume you aren’t being sarcastic, in which case I’m sorry you actually think that way.

I am. People taking Project Veritas as a serious source while condemning CNN is hilarious – CNN’s pretty shit, but not literally-charged-with-a-crime unethical.

Thank God for the sarcasm. And of course, the subs this is exploding on are r/conservative, r/uncensorednews, and r/conspiracy (Would assume T_D but have them filtered out. I’m fine seeing the occasional post from these subs to know their take, but that floods the feed a bit much).

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Ad Hominem attacks are the only way liberals know how to discuss things.

They are burying their heads so far in the sand that they will deny video and audio evidence

Exactly why the Dems will permanently push undecided voters to the right and continue to lose elections.

The media is not the enemy of the American people!

-The Media

r/politics moderators are removing these videos.

Here is r/politics labeling this as an “Unacceptable Source”.

Here is a working mirror to the video.

R/politics cant stand the truth

They’re awfully militant.

Reddit moderators on r/politics and r/news are typical leftists. They try to control free speech. They give an insight into what this country would be like if the left ever got control.

I take it this won’t be on r/news

Very fake news.

This is Wikileaks style, and it’s only part one

Someone make more popcorn

Well I just finished a bowl, but I can make some more if you’d like. Pop Secret Extra Butter, sprinkled with garlic salt and black/cayenne pepper ok with you?

Drowned in liberal tears I hope?

Where do you think the garlic salt comes from? Sometimes there’s even a hint of patchouli (from the hippies).

Trump is considering escalating our presence in Syria. The Senate is considering huge changes to health care. The Supreme Court just issued a bunch of interesting opinions, including one where Justice Kagan broke with the liberal justices to support a church.

CNN: lol, let’s just continue reporting the witch hunt.

This actually made me laugh. So many other legit angles they could’ve gone with vs Trump but nope. RUSSIA.

I think the REAL scandal here for the left is that a CNN producer was filmed enjoying some Chick-fil-A.

I’m not a conservative, but I’m glad this is coming out. When the media tries to whip people into a frenzy against each other, everyone loses.

Edit: Video source has a history of manipulation for conservative agenda, add grain of salt, remain skeptical of media corporations. Based on post history, /u/MiyegomboBayartsogt may be Russian propaganda shill.

Not everyone loses. Trump wins. Americans willing to work win. The people whipped into hysterical frenzy are losing it, but those indolent bed pressing citizens aren’t doing anything productive anyhow. Getting those types out in the street to pout and protest is probably the first exercise any of them have had in a long while.

You think hard-working people aren’t negatively impacted by shitty media?

So long as deep pockets and corrupt politicians can use the media with impunity to manipulate the electorate, the country is fucked. Sure, you and I might have jobs, but I’d rather strive for the quality of life under a less-corrupt regime than what exists today. Politicians actively use the media to divide the population, which distracts from actually governing the country and solving the problems millions of people have. It’s all about winning, not governing, which means American democracy is just a fucking sham…at least third-world dictators are honest about what they want.

in a normal just world, this would be in /r/all by now. Sadly, those that manages the algorithm is going to keep this from going to /r/all to reduce the red pilling as much as possible.

Two instances of it are right now, including this one. You probably won’t like the top comments on the one much higher up, though.

Wow I forgot about project Veritas. It’s oddly relieving to see them doing their thing without the stresses of the election season. It feels like I can sit back and relax and watch the dumpster fire that is the left.

Between the Russia narrative finally cracking, the democrats starting to eat each other, the Supreme Court ruling and now this, I am chuckling to myself at how right trump was. I really can’t handle this much winning in such a short amount of time. I need time to digest this much positive news. Can’t imagine how die hard liberals must feel.

Trump gambled absolutely everything – all his credibility, his political capital, his entire presidency – in a show down with the media.

Conservatives have been too chicken shit to do this for years, despite the fact we all know the media is mostly leftist propaganda. Trump came along and said, “Yeah, I’ll prove it,” and it’s working. It’s bloody well working. I am shocked how well he has flipped what looked like a hopeless narrative.

The media has lost its credibility. The deep state has been exposed to the disinfecting sun light. The Democrats have been so focused on chasing laser pointers like cats that they haven’t taken a moment to reflect on why they lost.

The Clintons are getting exposed as the snakes they are, and the whole Obama administration is taking a hit retroactively.

This is incredible. And we still might get another 2 Supremes.

tl;dr: Trump decided not to be the classic, well-trained house pet for the left. Is kicking ass. Who woulda thought?

Except the left still won’t see it that way. Still work to be done

The core of the left will never see it that way. We can only hope that a solid majority of the people will see how deluded the left is.

At least 25% of the population is irredeemable, it’s just a fact

deplorables?

No, just delusional leftists who would riot before accepting the rule of law.

Because you asked… I feel very little. There wasn’t anything in the video I didn’t already sort of know. It’s painfully obvious CNN has been hyping the hell out of this story with little to no new useful information. BUT, It doesn’t indicate at all however, that the Russia story is fake, just that CNN, like ALL cable news, is about selling a narrative their audience wants to hear, because ratings are king. I’d prefer CNN devote their time to reporting on the Nepotism, Cronyism, and incompetence of this administration, and shut the hell up about Russia until there is something to report.

CNN devote their time to reporting on the Nepotism, Cronyism, and incompetence of this administration

So stop the hysteria of a made up narrative to pick it up on a different made up narrative? Come on..

Appointing your untrained son in law to bring peace to the Middle East doesn’t smell a little like nepotism to you? You think there is no one more qualified in foreign diplomacy to tackle this task?

He should respond soon. Probably had to look up what nepotism means and is now digging through breitbart articles for an argument to regurgitate.

I feel like a lot of the things he said can be applied not only to CNN but Fox News and all cable news. Just with different agenda.

And BOOM! Just like that, CNN credibility destroyed.

To be fair, they didnt have any to begin with.

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Did you not hear “mostly bullshit” and “do it just for ratings”? This is called lying when you print false stories. The lies that were printed out a few days ago by CNN got 3 people fired.

CNN is a partisan hack of an organization that acts like it’s the Pravda arm of the DNC.

This concern trolling would not be happening if say, Fox News were caught in this kind of scheming.

Can you quote where the reporter said the leaks are bullshit?

The dude said the Trump –> Russia headlines are bullshit, not that the Trump’s Team –> Russia headline are bullshit. He also justified Russia trying to swing our election, which isn’t exactly a denial of them doing it.

Without fake news and unfounded conspiracies, Rachel Maddow will be selling oranges on the highway

This is going to be spun as out-of-context quotes that are intentionally edited to sound as a bad as possible and there really isn’t any scandal here.

The man just straight up laughed at the notion of journalistic ethics. It looks pretty bad.

He was taken out of context!!! Maybe he was reading from a play script about a jaded and corrupt Fox News journalist. /s

I think you just scored a job at CNN.

I’m just going to go by the fact I’m seeing literally dozens of newish accounts and accounts that’ve never posted in many of the subreddits this story is being posted in trying to deflect and dispute the entire video as a sign that it’s a pretty big deal for CNN right now. Seriously, I’ve never seen this much damage control on all of Reddit. Even this thread is at 58% upvoted since it hit r/all. They are panicking trying to bury this one.

I’ve noticed for months now. They like to infect subs like r/uncensorednews and other alternative subreddits that were created to get away from the shills and astroturfing.

The #1 tactic of these people is to derail conversations and change the topic.

And yet the hardcore Reddit Lefties are still pushing the Russia story. Love it and hate it at the same time. Makes them look incredibly foolish, but in the end hurts America with their ignorance.

Number 1 Trending Video on YouTube right now and it hasn’t even been a day. Of course r/politics is silent. Here’s a comment from there.

Once again, this story is already debunked & confirmed as fake. This was a low-level associate intern who decided to spew bullshit about something he has no idea about. He’s not even working directly on the Russia team. CNN has been absolutely stellar as of late and this retraction just cements that they are an elite organization that goes the extra mile to fact check and verify their sources. Couldn’t be more pleased with the stellar work CNN has been putting out lately

It’s amazing to think that these people believe the media has any reason to have any sort of journalistic integrity. Its a business. I remember during Bernie’s campaign there was a post at the top of r/all about how Clinton was funded by CNN. But now that CNN aligns with their agenda they trust them. Unbelievable.

59% upvoted, LMAOOOO

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

1) CNN, Fox News, etc. are all stupid ratings-chasing bullshit. Anyone who doesn’t see that by now isn’t paying attention. It’s been getting worse and worse throughout my life – haven’t really watched any MSM in years, but I’m guessing it’s all pretty abhorrent by now.

2) I don’t really care if news outlets secretly think a story is bullshit or not – but I do care what the FBI thinks. They thought there was enough to warrant an investigation. And now the story has become more about impeding that investigation.

As soon as I saw this video I knew the thread would be brigaded

Damning quotes aside, the most interesting takeaway is how much day to day control Jeff Zucker has over the narrative.

The video was removed

I’m a pretty leftist dude but I think we all have known CNN lost credibility during the election cycle with how they put Clinton on a pedestal.

I mean we all knew it, but this is still one of the most sickening things I have ever seen and still shocking even when you know news is all staged and money driven for agendas. The worst part for me was when he only laughs at the idea of journalistic ethics…

Wow that guy’s gonna get suicided by 4 bullets to the back of the head

Damn this is exciting

R/news is in some hard denial.

CNN isn’t just fake news. They are very fake news. And apparently proud of it. I wonder how the kiddies in r/politics will try and spin this. I mean, he literally says they don’t care about ethics in journalism. It’s kinda hard to spin that.

Edit- oh. They won’t spin it. They will just ignore it apparently. Neato

Edit again- Hi shareblue! Thanks for stopping by to downvote us.

While I must admit I am generally liberal, even I have to say all the Trump-Russia collusion stories are getting old to see. Do I think some of the things that are reported, and some of Trump’s own actions and statements seem a little sketchy? Sure. But ultimately, that’s why there is currently some sort of investigation going on. I don’t need to hear about it every day because at this point there really isn’t too much more to report, and to be honest it just takes away from actually debating the policies that are being put out, especially health care currently. If something comes up in the future from this investigation or otherwise, sure let’s bring it up again and discuss it, but unless/until something like that occurs I would rather see more talk about policies.

While I must admit I am generally liberal, even I have to say all the Trump-Russia collusion stories are getting old to see.

This is the statement that should have the Democrats scared shitless.

It’s also why they’ve been trying to pivot away from the Russian witch hunt but they’re having trouble getting their people to stop. The base is convinced Trump is a traitor and won’t let up.

because they convinced them, what a vicious web we weave….

All of our intelligence says that Russia interfered and Trump says he fired Comey to slow/stop the Russia investigation, it’s not exactly all CNNs fault.

The country should be scared shitless, not just dems.

He fired comey because comey wouldnt hold a presser saying trump wasnt under investigation. Which is true and what comey told him on three diffrent occasions.

Was it dumb? Sure.

Was it interference with the russia investigation? Not even a little bit.

Share exact sentiment.

The worst part to me is how much a lot of the media alienates people, and how much I feel that extends into the everyday political discussion. You see it on all sides. I see it all the time when people call people on the left “libtards” or “snowflakes” and people on the left respond calling people on the right “Nazis” and “bigots” and “racists” and all it does it take away from substantive conversation and instead ignore any possible points that the other side may have because they are from the other side so let’s just call them names instead of actually refute arguments or points they have made.

you are a great, great great person

Concern trolls out in full force tonight.

What really blows me away is how divided along political lines so many people are. If you are 100 percent Democrat or 100 percent Republican on issues as far as the party line goes, you are also 100 percent moron. Every issue deserves discussion. There is nuance in politics which is why most congressmen go to law school.

If anything, this should be a wakeup call to everyone about their favorite news channels.

BREAKING NEWS::::: they’re all this way. They need money to make money. Fox, CNN, Breitbart, Inforwars, all of it is for-profit. They create sensationalized headlines that their viewers care about for some reason, and that’s how you keep eyes on the tube. It’s all despicable, but not surprising.

This is huge. Can’t wait to hear the official ShareBlue narrative on this one.

No mention of this on /r/politics. Head, meet sand.

I CAN’T HANDLE ALL THIS WINNING!!

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