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studiousbotanist · 2 years ago
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didnt feel good abt hte dna post after all actually but i have stolen the shalomander .
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san-sebastienne · 4 months ago
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With truly all the love and empathy in my heart: crying daily over the sexual assault allegations against Gaiman isn’t healthy. I’ve seen multiple people –especially fans of GO – saying this since they came out, and it’s really fucking concerning me.
I wonder if it has to do with the insidious ideas that 1) people are either Bad or Good, 2) Bad people can only do Bad things, and 3) liking Bad things or Bad people makes you Bad.
None of these things are true.
People are mixed up and incredibly complicated. Someone can be an incredible artist/friend/chef/ally against racism/drag queen and still be predatory/homophobic/antisemitic/never tips their wait staff. People do things that harm others in big and small ways all the time. You do too. I promise.
(Also the idea of anyone, even people who do genuinely insurmountable harm, becoming somehow less than human is an inherently fascist ideology)
The fact that you (yes, you!!) do harmful things doesn’t immediately make you Bad. There are certainly things that someone might do that causes more harm (say, assault) versus less, but that doesn’t somehow infect all the things they’ve done in the past with their Badness. Gaiman helped write Good Omens. There’s no way now to say “I was wrong and this book was Bad all along” or even “oh, all the parts I like were written by Pratchett, the Bad parts must have been Gaiman.” You didn’t miss an inherent evil by liking the book in the past. It doesn’t make you Bad for liking it now.
(It also doesn’t mean that people associated with Gaiman, like David Tennant, are also Tainted by inherent Badness. Tennant isn’t, you aren’t. Saying otherwise is also a slippery slope argument into dehumanization and fascist ideas)
By all means: if it feels right, stop giving Gaiman your money. Stop tagging him in your Azi/Crowley fanart. But do this as a way to disentangle yourself from parasocial relationships that are actively causing you grief and to vote with your wallet, not because unlinking yourself from Bad Art and Bad People will somehow absolve you and make you Good again. If you already have a copy of Good Omens or Sandman, whether you reread it is between you and your gods. Interacting with a text you find important doesn’t make you Bad or Good. It’s just reading. What you do with the stories is what matters (ironically, that’s the message of a lot of both Gaiman and Pratchett’s work).
Maybe take a peek at Good Omens and re familiarize yourself with its other core message: People are not Bad or Good. People do bad and good things.
Then maybe drink a cup of tea. You need to rehydrate.
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jewish-vents · 6 days ago
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My dad is Muslim. My mom is Jewish. His family used to treat my mother and I well, but in the last year they've all become increasingly hateful and bigoted. Finally he snapped at his dad for saying something antisemitic I won't repeat here and told him, "She has done nothing to you! Her family has done nothing to you! Our country slaughtered them and threw the survivors out! And all she's ever asked you for is respect! All she's ever wanted is peace! My wife is worth more to me than you, than your respect, than [entire country my dad immigrated from]! If Jews are so evil, why do you have to goad her and goad her and fucking goad her to try to get a response? And why haven't you gotten one? I'll tell you why - it's because she's something you aren't! She's a good person! I will take a good person who's a Jew over a monster like you any day! Get out of my house and don't come back!"
I'm so torn up inside. I love my dad. I love that he loves my mom and I so much. I love that he supports our being Jewish and has always told me that God loves all people, that I don't have to be Muslim just because he is. He's helped me learn Hebrew since my dyslexia makes it hard for me just like Arabic is for him. I could not ask for a better dad. But I hate that just because he's not antisemitic, he's lost his family. All of them have gone no contact with him for over a month now. I know he's had to argue with them a hundred times over me. They've always been mad he didn't raise me Muslim. I wonder, if I hadn't been born, if that would've helped. Maybe they wouldn't be so tense and angry. Maybe his family would be nice to my mom if I weren't born, but it's too late now. I'm 17. I can't undo the past.
I miss my dad's half of the family. I miss my grandparents, my aunts, my uncles, my cousins. It hurts that they won't talk to me. I can't imagine how much worse this is hurting him. Sometimes in the early morning his eyes are bloodshot like he's been crying, even if he doesn't say anything to me. He's trying to be the cheerful person he always is. He doesn't want me to worry. But how can I not worry about him? Stress makes cardiac issues worse and he's had heart issues in the past. I want him to be okay.
Sometimes I feel this big, overwhelming sense of emotions I can't name, love and contentment and value, knowing he chose us over his family. Then I feel guilty for being happy about that, even briefly. He shouldn't have had to choose.
He's never getting his family back. I'm never getting part of my family back. I don't know what to do with that. The weight of it is hard to bear.
I miss the way things were before.
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spitefullyjewish · 2 months ago
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Okay, this is my third time trying to put this into words. I am very upset, hurt, and honestly terrified. I’m about to share a lot about myself, my family, and a very scary situation happening right now, so for my own safety, I won’t provide too many details.
I live in a secondary city in a South American country. The Jewish community here is very small—around 5,000 people total out of over 50 million. In my city, which has over 3 million people, there are only about 300 Jews. We’re literally on the other side of the world from Israel.
We own a family business, a small clothing factory where we make knitted garments. It was founded by my grandmother 48 years ago. My father is the current manager, and both my sister and I work there. We employ around 80 people. We pay fair and legal wages (not the industry standard in my country), and although times are really hard, we’ve never missed a payment, not once in our 48 years in business. My father paused his own salary and hasn’t received a cent since January, and my sister and I both stopped getting paid for three months. But the people who work with us have always received their salaries as they should.
Now, today, September 30th, (just a couple of days before the start of our high holidays and exactly one week before the first anniversary of October 7th) the biggest and most important public university in my city, in conjunction with the syndicate council, invited the Palestinian ambassador to give a conference about the current situation and the war. Well, apparently, it derailed into open antisemitism and ended up as a conference about how Jews are all thieves and scammers. Because, I kid you not, back in the '90s, a huge group of my country’s biggest companies went bankrupt and couldn’t pay their employees what they owed. One out of about 30 of those companies was owned by Jewish people. So, of course, "we Jews are all liars, scammers, and thieves, just like the Israelis—always trying to take what doesn’t belong to us"
So, what conclusion did they reach at this conference about Palestine and the current war happening on the other side of the world? Well, naturally, they decided to target Jewish-owned businesses in my city (which means our factory and two other small businesses in our area) to protest and vandalize, because we’re all thieves and scammers, and Israel is bad and horrible, and everyone in my city needs to be made aware of that. When are they planning to come? October 7th, of course, when else?
The only reason I even know about this is that one of my Jewish friends decided to attend the conference to hear from the Palestinian ambassador and, risking their own safety, stayed to hear the names of the businesses that are going to be targeted.
I'm hurt and scared and I've been trying not to cry since I found out. These are the people on the left, these we were supposed to be my people, I've marched with them, I've worked and voted with them. I don't know what to do? Please, please tell me how are they different from actual Nazis? How is this situation different from any other jew living in Europe in the 1930's? I guess shannah fucking tovah to me, as if last year wasn't a wake up call. I am fucking awake.
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matan4il · 7 months ago
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How to write this update post on Israel's Holocaust Memorial Day. Where to even start. It feels unreal to make a post about so many killed because of an antisemitic, genocidal terrorist organization, on the day we repeat the promise, "Never again."
We have found out that Dror Or, who was thought to have been kidnapped, was actually murdered on Oct 7, and it's his body that's being held hostage in Gaza.
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We've also been informed that another presumed hostage, who I've written about before, Elyakim Libman, has actually been murdered on Oct 7. They'd found indications that Elyakim, who worked at the Nova music festival as a security guard, was in the "death ambulance" after he had brought there one of his wounded colleagues, Shani Gabai, and staying with her to help. Hamas terrorists noticed the ambulance aiding the wounded, and fired RPGs at it. The vehicle became a fire death trap, and not only were all the people inside murdered, it was also very difficult to distinguish the bodies from each other. This is what happened to Shani Gabai, they discovered that what little of her remained, was difficult to separate from another body and they ended up being buried together. Once indications were found that Elyakim was in the same ambulance, suspicion rose that maybe what happened to him was similar to Shani's fate, so they started opening graves and checking whether his remains might have accidentally been buried with someone else. They eventually found him in the grave of Victoria Gorlov, who also worked with her bf, Alexander Samoilov, as a security guard at the party (both had been murdered by the terrorists).
Elyakim Libman:
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Victoria Gorlov and Alexander Samailov:
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Shani Gabai:
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This brings the number of hostages, both living and dead, held in Gaza, down to 132, with at least 37 confirmed to have been killed, so it's their bodies that Hamas is refusing to return, and with more suspected of being hostage corpses, too. There is still one Israeli woman missing, whose fate (whether murdered or kidnapped) is unknown. This is the uncertainty of an indiscriminate massacre and mass kidnapping campaign, it's been almost 7 months, and we're still searching for and collecting pieces of our dead.
Yesterday, Hamas fired mortars from Rafah at the Israeli soldiers overseeing the Kerem Shalom crossing. It takes mortars just 8 seconds from when they're shot until they hit, which means the people targeted don't even have time to react and take cover. Iron Dome, which can fail on occasion like all technology, didn't intercept the mortars. I wanna emphasize: this crossing doesn't bring anything into Israel, Israelis aren't getting anything out of it, it was closed after Hamas' massacre, we opened it and have been keeping it running purely to allow humanitarian aid in, from Israel into Gaza, and thousands of humanitarian aid trucks have crossed through it during the war. Every soldier operating it, is a part of Israel's humanitarian effort on behalf of Gazans. What do you think Israelis feel and think when they hear Hamas fired at the Kerem Shalom crossing? But the mortars also hit the nearby civilian community of kibbutz Kerem Shalom. Bottom line, Palestinian Hamas terrorists murdered (as of now, at least one more person is still in critical state) 4 young Israeli soldiers at the humanitarian crossing and wounded at least 10 people inside Israel (at least one civilian house was reported as hit). The attack forced the IDF to close the crossing. Where are all the social justice warriors, crying for more humanitarian aid, to denounce Hamas depriving Gazans of precisely that? But also, the terrorists chose to fire out of Rafah, making sure that even if Israel wanted to stay out, Hamas has proven they use the city and the civilians in there as a basis for murderous actions against Israelis. Where are all the people opposed to an IDF ground operation in Rafah, why are they not denouncing the terrorists' choice, which is forcing Israel's hand? Unsurprisingly, as Hamas has been stalling its response to the latest Egyptian-proposed hostage deal, and with this murder of our people, today the IDF has ordered the start of civilian evacuation from eastern Rafah. You can thank your local friendly murderous terrorists, Hamas-loving college kids.
The murdered soldiers (left to right): Michael Ruzal (18 years old), Ruben Marc Mordechai Assouline (19 years old), Ido Testa (19 years old), Tal Shavit (21 years old).
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Yesterday, we also experienced shooting from Hezbollah at Israel's northern communities, with some direct hits. This is what it looked like from inside a Kiryat Shmona home that was impacted:
And today there was another attack by Hezbollah, this time with several waves of suicide drones, leading to 2 people having been seriously injured (another drone attack from Iran-funded militias in Iraq, plus rocket attacks from Syria, were intercepted overnight):
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After we've had a Hamas computer server center discovered by the under an UNRWA location, now the IDF has also operated against a Hamas center inside UNRWA's headquarters in Gaza. But I'm sure once more UNRWA heads will claim they "didn't know." How much more linkage between Hamas and this UN agency do people need, to get that when you fund UNRWA, you fund terrorism? When you support UNRWA, you support the death of innocent civilians, both Israelis, and Gazans used as human shields. Is this the right time to talk about all the countries that were quick to re-instate their funding of URWA, without waiting for any real change? (You can find a list of which countries reinstated the funding and when, plus which are the few heroes still freezing it on UN Watch's site, kudos to US, UK, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Romania, Estonia, Italy, New Zealand and Austria for proving that countries can have a backbone on this matter) Here's the shame list for the countries funding UNRWA, despite its symbiosis with Hamas: France, Spain (never suspended its funding), Finland, Germany, Iceland, Japan, Norway (never suspended its funding), Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Australia and the European Union. True champions of human rights. /sarcasm
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Last Tuesday, a 34 years old Turkish supposedly-tourist, who had entered Israel through Jordan, chose to commit a terrorist attack, stabbing an Israeli policeman at the Old City of Jerusalem with a knife he bought in one of the local shops. The policeman is recovering, the terrorist has been neutralized. But since this is all supposedly about the occupation, I would love to hear which part of Turkey Israel is occupying...
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I've mentioned Hamas robbing humanitarian aid to Gaza multiple times during this war, but did you know that they don't stop there, and last month, Palestinian terrorists have actually robbed about 70 million dollars from a Gazan bank? "Free Gaza from Hamas" is not just an empty slogan. No one should live under the rule of a group capable of intentionally creating this nightmare reality for its people.
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Yesterday, the 2024 Eurovision had its opening ceremony with the "turquois carpet." Israel did not participate because it was the eve of Yom Ha'Shoah, our Holocaust Memorial Day. Instead, the Israeli representative, Eden Golan, participated in a Yom Ha'Shoah ceremony held by the Jewish community in Malmo, while wearing the hostage pin. I recently came across a magazine interview with Eden about the hardships she'd experienced growing up abroad, and how returning to Israel gave her back her faith in humanity. It made her participation as Israel's representative even more meaningful. Eden at the ceremony:
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queer-ragnelle · 3 months ago
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Why do you hate the Once and Future Knight? I decided not to pick up the book because of personal preference but I’d love to hear your rant on it
Hi anon!
I’m assuming you mean The Once and Future King by TH White?
There’s nothing I could say that hasn’t already been said before I’m sure. But I didn’t read the series until I had already read many other Arthurian tales and I really don’t understand the love the series gets. The negatives don’t outweigh the positives, and worse, the lasting impact of TH White’s characterization choices on subsequent retellings is a stain on the literary tradition that set us back too far to comprehend. Putting my rant below a cut because I went off and the subject matter is disgusting.
First and foremost, the bigotry is astounding. The racism, the misogyny, the ableism and every other prejudice and cruelty you can think of are staggering in their variety and magnitude. It’s vile. It’s inexcusable. I don’t read modern Arthurian retellings to be bombarded with that in every single chapter. TOAFK is not “a product of its time.” It’s a product of a deeply unhappy and hateful man. Plenty of earlier writing is vastly kinder to Palomides and Guinevere and Morgause and Mordred and Lancelot or any other character unlucky enough to be depicted by TH White. Literally the Medieval source material is more nuanced than that. Morgause get behind me.
Secondly, the anachronism is an annoying stylistic choice at best and yet another tool for bigotry at worst. Why are Mordred and Agravaine likened to Nazis? Like seriously what the hell? It’s not enough for them to be antagonists, the text has to invoke the Holocaust? It’s so extreme it rips the reader right out of the story and calls to mind the most horrific parts of history for no narrative benefit whatsoever. Baffling and bad.
Thirdly, the prose just kinda sucks. It’s rambling and TH White will pause the narrative to stand on a soap box to talk at the reader about his views. He’s anti-war. Fine. But of all characters to use as a mouthpiece—King Arthur? The warlord King Arthur? Make it make sense.
Fourth, most tragically of all, so much of what TH White did in his series is reflected in stories told to this day. Every other retelling has a cover quote comparing it to TOAFK. (It’s supposed to be a compliment!) To put it in perspective…
You ever read a retelling with evil neglectful parent and rapist Morgause/Morgan? TH White’s fault.
How about added incest between one of the Orkney bros and their mother (which sometimes results in someone other than Gaheris killing her, say, Agravaine or Mordred)? Thanks, TH White, that’s just what Arthurian Legend was missing, more incest.
Ever see disabled, crippled, bad seed Mordred? TH White started that trend.
What about Guinevere assaulting Lancelot when she learns about Elaine getting him drunk and raping him? TH White really said “Lol what if Guinevere hits Lancelot and spits in his face while he’s crying?”
And the racism! TH White walked so Thomas Berger could run (derogatory). Discussions of race are so intense and so frequent and so random like one minute the narrator has paused the plot to talk about how war is bad and now it’s slandering Native Americans? Brother this is Medieval England what is even happening right now? Oh, look, another N bomb. The antisemitism! Weren’t you just comparing Mordred to Hitler? What do you mean the Orcadian/Scottish characters are evil because of *checks notes* “the incalculable miasma which is the leading feature of the Gaelic brain?” [Queen of Air and Darkness chapter 5] Thanks TH White for stripping Lot, Morgause, Gawain, Agravaine, Gaheris, Gareth, and Mordred of all nuance, a condition from which they have, literally, never recovered. Of course there are some retellings since that write one or two of them with a crumb of nuance, but they’ll never be like they were in the Vulgate. Not all at the same time. I feel sick.
It goes on and on. I have to stop listing examples or I’ll get pissed off. But frankly, more people should be pissed off about it! I’m tired of seeing five star reviews on storygraph and goodreads accompanied by a review excusing the most bigoted garbage I have ever read in a children’s book. It’s vile and everyone should feel bad about defending it. It’s inexcusable. This wasn’t a case of good-intentioned inclusion with dated language, this was an author going out of his way to be hateful. Period.
Big names in the fantasy book community like Daniel Greene should not be awarding five stars and leaving an uncritical review.
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Far too many readers acknowledge the racism and then rate it five stars anyway. Go to Hell, Spencer.
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Here’s some from storygraph with, of course, praise for Marion Zimmer-Bradley’s pedophilic power fantasy Mists of Avalon, another piece of hot festering sludge everyone should stop talking about. Kill the legacy already. The real life victims have suffered enough.
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There also seems to be a trend in these reviews that excuse the texts bigotry by referring to how “old” it is. Which is crazy to me for many reasons. TOAFK in its final form was published in 1958. That wasn’t that long ago. Also racism has always been racism, misogyny has always been misogyny, ableism has ways been ableism. Plenty of authors came before this and really make TH White look like a clown.
Let’s promote them. In reverse!
John Steinbeck wrote The Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights in 1956 (published posthumously in the 70s, don’t go by that date). His depictions of Morgan and Guinevere are nuanced and fascinating, not to mention some original characters including an old granny who teaches Owain to be a warrior! This book also has a morally gray sun-powered Gawain without insulting his heritage, an emotional and thought-provoking Lancelot without marking his sin with a facial deformity, and a really sweet Marhalt who doesn’t often get much spotlight!
John Erskine wrote Restoring Palamede in 1932. He does exactly what the cover says, and writes a story about the Muslim knight Palomides beginning in his own country, living with his parents whom are both named, and follows him as he learns the ways of the world and finds an ally in his friend Brangaine! Tristan and Isolde are compelling here and while Tristan can still be a jerk to Palomides, it’s not the mask-off bigotry we’ve seen…elsewhere.
Howard Pyle wrote one, two, three, four books between 1903-1910. Two thumbs up from me. No notes. He drank his respect women juice, drew them with loving care, named so many previously unknown, and gave them voices. He was kind in his portrayal to Palomides and even some other knights of color from India. Morgause survives the narrative! We love to see it!!!
Henry Newbolt wrote Mordred: A Tragedy in 1895. A fascinating examination of family ties, all five Orkney brothers here AND their wives Lyonors, Lynette, and Laurel! (Minus Ragnelle bc life is unfair.) Guinevere and Lancelot are tragic and heart wrenching. Arthur struggles against his son Mordred and their destiny in a way that doesn’t outright demonize either side. It will rewire your brain.
Richard Hovey wrote his poetry between 1891-1900. A complex and interesting Guinevere and Elaine who are not enemies, Lancelot close with Galehaut during the war, destroyed by his torn loyalties between Arthur and Guinevere, Gawain who loves his friend Lancelot with all his heart, and so much more without tearing anyone down!
Oscar Fay Adams wrote his poetry between 1886-1906. Here we get a wide variety of character focus, with title-featured names from King Lot to Dagonet to Lamorak to Lionel. Each one is more fascinating and nuanced and fresh than the last, from a tour of Lot’s castle and meeting each inhabitant to Lamorak on Grail Quest learning to forgive himself from “sweet” Sagramore.
William Morris wrote his poetry between 1856-1910. All of it is on the Camelot Project but I also have this scanned book. Here we delve into Guinevere’s trial as she calls out those who have wronged her, lonely Galahad on Grail Quest relating to his father Lancelot and praising Palomides in his steadfast hunt of the Questing Beast, there’s even a poem named for Palomides himself!!!
Anonymous wrote Moriaen in the 13th century. It follows Aglovale’s illegitimate son Moriaen, who is of African descent. As he travels around Britain looking for his father, Moriaen meets many people who are afraid of his dark skin. BUT! All the Knights of the Round Table leap to his defense, even threatening townsfolk who try to demonize Moriaen for the way he looks and refuse him service. It is, essentially, an anti-racism story from the Medieval era. Not to mention healer Gawain’s care and attention given to the sick and disabled. That’s not even the moral/focus of the story so much as Moriaen’s journey, but it’s there and worth mentioning.
So here we are with a whole list of stuff to read that predates TOAFK and surpasses it. The last one is only sort of a joke. But it’s there to make a point about how inexcusable TH White’s racism really is. If Anonymous could give a black knight like Moriaen the narrative respect he’s entitled to for existing as a representation of real human beings that look like him, then TH White was capable of it too. Progress is not linear. This is not to say Medieval times were “better” than society today. But to write off any problematic story of the recent past as “a product of its time” as an excuse to make oneself feel better about liking it, well, I don’t know what to say. Maybe reflect on that. And while that marinates, read something else.
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spacelazarwolf · 1 year ago
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hmmmmmmm i’m real fucking tired of jew haters lying abt me!
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let's break this down, shall we?
white trans mascs like spacelazarwolf have no issue calling indigenous people "bone chillingly disturbing" for disagreeing with them.
actually i called what you said antisemitic, because it was. i called what i've witnessed from gentiles in general bone-chillingly disturbing and cruel, and that i've witnessed so much ignorance, hostility, and bloodlust from gentiles. because i keep seeing posts celebrating the massacre that happened on the 7th, and i keep getting anons that tell me "hitler missed one", "the world would be better off without your ilk", "we should have gotten rid of you all ages ago", "die zionists rats *nose emoji*", and a lot of very graphic descriptions of how they would like to rape and kill me. one user, blatantly on their blog, openly said that someone should kill me, and someone said they knew where i lived and could make that happen. that's not disagreeing with me. that is bloodlust.
they pretend to care about racism when trans women engage in it, but have zero issue jumping right to demonic stereotypes about indigenous people who dare to point out that their support of israel is supporting genocide.
hey asshole. I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT YOU.
also. I HAVE BEEN OPEN ABOUT MY CRITICISM OF ISRAEL, MY REFUSAL TO SUPPORT IT AS A STATE, AND MY BELIEF THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS GENOCIDE. YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
literally just blatantly lying about a jew's opinion on israel so you can harass and demonize them is, i hate to tell you, antisemitic.
these so called "anti-semitic rants" were me saying jewish people can survive without israel and do not need to colonize or genocide another group of people to survive.
let's give some of the highlights of your posts:
"while you're here hand-wringing about the safety of israelis and spreading the white supremacist lie that they must be in israel to be safe, israel secured its continued existence by just now murdering 500+ parients and doctors under the excuse of 'well hamas is violent and is hiding in there"
'handwringing' do you mean mourning the deaths of peace activists and children? also if you've read literally any of my other posts on the matter, you know i literally talk about how zionists institutions and leadership use jewish safety and antisemitism in the diaspora to bolster support for a jewish state. pointing this out isn't agreeing with it when you do it, why is it when i do it? what could the difference possibly be??
also, there has been no confirmation on who caused the hospital bombing. there are many reports that it was a misfire by one of the groups in gaza, and those are still being investigated. regardless of who fired it, it's still a tragedy. it's still hundreds of innocent lives lost. and it does not change the fact that the lives lost on the 7th were also a tragedy. using this devastating loss of palestinian life as a bludgeon against a diaspora jew for having the audacity to mourn dead jews is disgusting.
"[you] only bring up jewish people of color to argue that israel is actually not a racist project because israel is the only thing stopping jewish people from being exterminated."
literally just lying.
"jewish people in israel are behaving as and acting as white supremacist colonizers of color"
thanks for literally just outright saying that you think the problem is jews, not the state of israel.
"colonizers globally are constantly killing kids"
and therefore the israeli children who died don't matter? are you expecting jewish people to choose between their nieces and nephews and innocent palestinian children who are killed in gaza?
"[spacelazarwolf has] ranted and raved that without israel existing, the jewish people would be genocided. he's appropriated the struggle of indigenous and black people abroad to cry that jewish people aren't welcome in countries like the us, despite living in the us and benefiting from his whiteness and the oppression of indigenous and black people as many other white jewish people do"
i think you've made it pretty clear you're totally fine lying about what i've actually said regarding israel, but the idea that jews are "appropriating the struggle of indigenous and black people abroad" when we talk about experiencing antisemitism in the countries we live in is so???????????? also you make it really clear in this snippet that your issue isn't with israel but with jews in general.
"white jewish people...have been able to exist in relative safety for decades in european countries"
are you actually fucking insane.
"israel's existence has made things more dangerous for jewish people in the middle east and north africa because these are areas that HISTORICALLY had co-existence between religious groups"
nice historical revisionism! swana was safer than christian countries for sure, but it's SO clear to me that you know absolutely nothing about the history of the jews of swana.
"he and israel supporters like him are constantly distracting from the war crimes and terrorism ISRAEL IS COMMITTING by handwringing perpetually about 'but violence is bad and hamas is bad for being violent, the only good palestinians are the ones that are quiet and don't fight back against us when we kill their kids"
sorry, who's "we"? are diaspora jews killing kids? or do you just equate every single jew in the diaspora to israel? also, yet more blatantly lying and claiming i support israel when i repeatedly have stated i haven't! but it's much more convenient to claim i have, because then you can say that i kill kids!
there's a bunch of other times you repeat the lie that i support israel and "advocate for the continued existence of a settler colonizer state and lying and claiming it's the only way for jewish people to be safe" but i won't include all of those bc this post would be VERY long.
"israel supporters are really out here arguing that palestinians need to hold hands with their genociders and forgive them and find peace - completely ignoring that for centuries there was peace between religious groups in the region and israel destroyed it"
goyim being embarrassingly ignorant of jewish history outside of a warped view of the holocaust? i am shocked!
"the supposed civilians attacked turned out to be iof soldiers so yeah actually it's fucked for you to say. they shouldn't attack people who colonize and massacre palestinian people for their day job"
blatantly supporting the massacre of 1,300 israelis, including children.
"all they can do is fight back or die, while israelis grab their passport and fly back to the us or some other european country and wait for israel to finish their genocide so they can go back"
feel like i don't need to explain why. this is conspiracy theory levels of antisemitic.
"the crying and bellyaching that if the jewish people don't have israel, they'll have to go back to countries that are hostile to them is not one i have sympathy for"
yeah we know you don't have sympathy for jews, that's very clear.
"jewish people, black people, and indigenous people all still live there and survive and fight back and thrive in solidarity together. and they DON'T participate in genocide against other groups of people"
yet again making the blatant assertion that it is JEWS who are committing genocide, and not the israeli government. also let's not pretend that. there's always been perfect solidarity between our communities. jews have not always been the best allies to indigenous people and black people, and vice versa.
"there are other places to turn to if you had any interest in NOT participating in western hegemonic white supremacy. but instead of staying and fighting and existing and thriving with other marginalized people who are at HIGHER risk than you in these countries, you argue that somehow jewish people should be exempt from this work that every other marginalized community does"
shouldn't have to point out that i don't argue that, but also this is, again, conspiracy theory levels of fucked up.
"bonkers to watch israel-supporters screaming and crying that if they don't colonize and genocide palestinians then jewish people can't safely exist"
yikes.
"if it were remotely true, israelis wouldn't have pulled out their dual citizenship passports and gone back to europe and the us to wait at a distance for their government to finish the genocide they started in 1948"
again, yikes.
there is a choice outside colonization - you can just fucking leave and go back to your home countries that are welcoming you with open arms cuz you still have dual citizenship. you don't have to commit genocide colonize people to exist."
more yikes.
"spacelazarwolf really wants to try and argue that they can't stop colonizing palestine cuz if they do, they have to go back to - checks notes - countries where a ton of people still live"
who is "they"?
"for some reason [spacelazarwolf] thinks that to avoid going through [genocide], jewish people need to be allowed to commit genocide themselves and eradicate palestinians"
once again lying abt me, and also openly saying that they believe it is jews who are committing genocide.
"fucking bonkers that he thinks he somehow has the right to commit genocide and colonize to avoid the situation other jewish people, indigenous people, and black people worldwide find themselves in. cowardly bitch baby behavior actually. like i'm sorry lots of other groups of colonized people, who have been subject to genocide and violence, and racism and are still undergoing it, has managed to NOT colonize other groups of people for their own gain."
bc jews are just inherently more evil than other marginalized ppl, right? we're just more prone to being selfish and hurting people? we're just sniveling whiny bitch babies who will turn around and stab you in the back, right?
"screaming and crying that 'we need to be allowed to genocide palestinians or otherwise we have to go back to the us, where we as white jewish people never have to actually deal with the things indigenous and black people there do' is disgusting genocidal behavior. the thought of actually being in solidarity with colonized people is repulsive to people like spacelazarwolf - that's why they all seek to justify colonial projects instead."
again, conspiracy theory levels of fucked.
at no point do i engage in anti-semitism. all i ever criticize is israel.
don't feel like i need to point out that this is not true.
he has repeatedly stated that israel has to exist, otherwise jewish people have to go back to the us, where indigenous people are being genocided.
cool lie! also fucked up thing to say!
i've said nothing about jewish pain and trauma. in fact, i have said on numerous occasions that jewish pain and trauma are very real and that they DO NOT justify. colonization.
mmmmmmmmmm nah. "whiny little bitch babies" is not saying that "jewish pain and trauma are very real." also oops you accidentally did dual loyalty again.
but spacelazarwolf is so rabidly racist he immediately began fearmongering about the bloodlust savage knocking at his door trying to kill him.
i'm on desktop or i would include that mike wazowski standing meme bc genuinely what the fuck.
anyway, i have no doubt that their support palestinians is genuine. that's great. but it is also incredibly clear that they hate jews, and that is going to be a huge detriment to their activism for palestinians, and they're not the only one this is happening with. people need to figure that shit out on their own instead of harassing and lying about jews online and perpetuating this kind of violently antisemitic rhetoric. bc this is like beyond fucked. i am tired of gentiles blatantly lying abt me so they can get away with saying horrendously antisemitic things to and about me. get your fucking shit together.
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spot-the-antisemitism · 3 months ago
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I don’t understand. The more I read on this blog and the posts you reblog the more confused I get about the double standards I see, so what the hell am I missing? Seeing lots of posts bordering on “Isreal/ zionists can do no wrong because they’re Jewish” makes very little sense to me.
“Publicizing that the Isreali government has killed thousands of Isreali children is a blood libel dog whistle”- The Isreali government has killed thousands of Palestinian children. That isn’t a lie. The idea of “Pallywood” is just as much a racist conspiracy theory as anything else with the same concept. This makes as much sense to me as a trans woman being caught red-handed murdering someone and then the people wanting her arrested being accused of dog whistling and just hating trans people because the “violent rapey ‘man in a dress’” stereotype exists.
“It’s antisemitic to not support anti-Palestinian jews/ only support pro-Palestinian jews”- Then why is it ok and encouraged to only support Palestinians that support a 2 state solution. Why are Isrealis correct or at least understandable when they want most of the land for fear of being victims of violence, but the Palestinians who want the same thing for the same reason are genocidal.
“Palestinian civilians are personally responsible for Hamas, a terrorist organization, because they came to power via election.”- Then why are Isrealis not personally responsible for the actions of their government via the same logic? Hamas is a terrorist organization for murdering/ kidnapping thousands of Isrealis as punishment for the actions of their government (which to be clear, this is true and they absolutely are terrorists). Then how is the IDF not also committing acts of terrorism by murdering thousands of Palestinian children for the actions of their government?
“It’s antisemitic to police people wearing the Star of David because of Israel”- True, it very much is, so then why am I also seeing the same circles call the Palestinian flag a “terrorist flag” because of Hamas? Why are they also insisting the assumption that Palestinians are gonna get violent, or calling them “intimidating”, is totally not subconsciously racist and completely understandable actually, even though said Palestines and their supporters are literally just calmly standing around and declining an invitation to talk? Talking about that tiktok with the girl who started crying to be clear.
Hi anon,
thank for essay of "gotcha" talking points that your cult sent you to send to me
"The idea of “Pallywood”" is inherently anti-palestinean and implies that palestinean culture and movies begin and end in hamas propaganda reels and is actually a thinly veiled "Palestinean culture revolves around terror and nothing else" all while dismissing all photos coming out of Gaza as propaganda .
DOGS CANNOT RAPE. It's blood libel. Next question
This makes as much sense to me as a trans woman being caught red-handed murdering someone and then the people wanting her arrested being accused of dog whistling and just hating trans people because the “violent rapey ‘man in a dress’” stereotype exists.
Hi yes what if the world was made of pudding? Well in Puddingverse a trans woman is guilty of murder, how quaint! Have you considered that maybe in your pudding hypothetical the trans woman would be treated differently than a cis woman who committed the same murder because of transmisogyny? Same applies antisemitic double standards
The palestinean flag is a form of pan-arab emperialism made by the PLO, it is associated with terror but it is NOT a terrorist flag. The Hamas flag is a terror flag. The Hezbollah flag is a terrorist flag.
"Then why is it ok and encouraged to only support Palestinians that support a 2 state solution." Because the rest want to genocide Israelis without exception. One state solutions are unviable at the moment. Next question
“Palestinian civilians are personally responsible for Hamas, a terrorist organization, because they came to power via election.” Never fucking said that. Gazans have been living under the tyrrany of Hamas for most of their lives and have to put up with their infrastructure used for terror, their food stolen and their children made into child soldiers. Free Gaza from Hamas!
Please send me more of your "questions" and I will happily debunk most of them. Please remind me of what I missed.
Cecil
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unfocused-angel · 7 months ago
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ok so (very rambly post incoming)
i've only played pathologic 2 up to like 7 pm of day 3 (took like 3 tries to heal Patches and spent most of the day gathering herbs for that and dealing with paperwork), but can we talk about how *fantastic* the immersion is in this game? because
1) i felt actual *dread* when i just barely missed the deadline for the Patches quest the first time (my brain: oh god oh fuck i was literally next door in my workshop but i was late i couldn't save the child i will never be a menkhu and where is Aspity and why the fuck is the bell tolling this cutscene is creepy af WHAT)
2) i never expected Lara Ravel of all people to hurt me enough to make me cry but here we are
Rubin and Grief making racist remarks about the Kin i wasn't happy about at all, but that's basically how they were from the first dialogues with them so i was like. i guess that's them now. but *LARA*? lovely adorable Lara Ravel who first offered me shelter, trust, and compassion when the whole town thought i mercilessly killed my own father?
i dared casually call her basaghan and she went on a whole thing about how she hates being called that and also this one weird herb bride (i *think* her name is Nara?) asked her where i am and "ugh what's her problem?" :/ i just sat there like "wha.... Lara how could you say that to Artemy? he's had a bad enough day already... pchd Lara would have never..." i felt so weirded out and betrayed, and now a week later it feels ridiculous because this is an npc in a video game Dot you are not Artemy Burakh what the heck was that reaction- (kinda reminded me of the feeling of a high school "friend" randomly making antisemitic comments to me for no reason now that i think about it)
anyway tldr 100/10 immersion, not too mad at you Lara (just very disappointed) and my pulse goes up a little bit when i think about the Patches quest, but that just proves the immersion is absolutely brilliant
and lesson learned, trust no one in this wretched town, anyone and everyone has the potential to suddenly be a prick to you in patho2 XD (and also keep track of the goshdarn time because if i understand the shituation at hand right the timer will start speeding up after this day)
and yes i know it will only get worse because this is
: the Restaging, but i played pchd so i think i'm ready for anything now
...that's a lie, no i'm not ready for what's to come at all. but neither is Artemy so i guess it's fine XD
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coffeelovinggayidiot · 11 months ago
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Ok I know I’m from the outside looking in, but can you explain the bingo blog a bit more cause based on the heritage posts post it does look bad, but I feel like I’m missing context.
Okay, look anon, I'm tired and if I wasn't about to cry I would be in bed right now, but because you seem to be coming from a reasonable place, I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities.
The bingo blog, aka @israel-palestine-bingo (tagging them so that they can also explain) is a blog designed to point out and call out antisemitism on the left in a way that A) people take notice and B) allows Jews to both find humor in these horrifying situations and cope with them.
It's part of why I started my side blog comparing leftist antisemites to nazis using tumblr polls. It's so that we can call out these things without spiraling into a depression.
It's coping with the suffering we're going through, which is being ignored, trivialized, and mocked with humor, because we NEED to find ways to cope. Because (for the most part) on one is listening to us when we talk about antisemitism
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neverkayzat · 11 months ago
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My gift to @palebluebirdcomputer for the 2023 Moon Knight Mystery Swap! This was hosted by: @tiptapricot :D
It was a lot of fun working on this!! Below, you'll find that I had SO much more planned for this, but, because my computer hit the fan and decided to do a full system corruption (everything I worked on was lost), I only have the script and screenshots of it. However, I hope you enjoy plan B and have a great new years!!
(I don't know why on mobile it compresses these images horribly, but hey, they're not so compressed if you click on them or on computer! :D)
OKAY, so I was going to make this a different post, but I had an entire comic planned out haha.
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This was the entire thing, aside from the reference page haha. EIGHTEEN PAGES WERE LOST. Worse? I already inked half of them and started coloring one. Wonderful.
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First page - Jake turns off the blaring alarm. I managed to ink and color this page... well, color at least Jake in the Mr. Knight suit and the sarcophagus before my computer decided to die, so a win!
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Second page - Included Jake waking up and getting ready for the day. I still have screen shots of the closet and this!! Hurray!!
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After, it was basically a bathroom scene where Steven showed up, was like: "Hey, Marc's not getting up. Check what day it is today!" Jake checks, it's Rosh Hashana! Wow! No wonder why. Crazy. How do you want to spend it? Steven is like, I miss our families traditional food. Spoiler alert: They get the food and everyone sits down to eat together.
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Next, Jake shows up and hangs out with Reese before Yehya bursts through the door with a lot of food. He would've walked to the kitchen, which is thankfully next to where everyone is (thank you Mission), and everyone else would follow suit as they helped put food away/prepare food (with banter, of course).
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As they're putting away/preparing food, Greer shows up with William, and begins helping as well. We get a nice moment with Jake and William, where then he sends the kid off to grab Solider. William also gives Jake a "Happy Rosh Hashanah!" card spelt horribly that melts everyone's heart. Reese goes to put it on the fridge, and Greer and Jake have a nice moment together, now alone because Mission decided to make a wall to separate them from the others.
However, this is where the screenshots stop for some reason. After, it detailed the antisemitism in the past and how Marc feels uncomfortable with their Judaism because of everything that has happened, and because of that, how it's been a long time that they have fully celebrated Rosh Hashanah with their family. It effects Jake greatly because he loves his religion.
It ends off with them having a nice meal together and Marc finally showing up to say "Our new mishpocha... hm?" and Jake reciprocates the feeling.
HOWEVER! My computer decided to cry and crap itself, so now we're here with me longing for the snow. I hope you enjoyed this gift, even though it was Plan B, and once again, happy new years!! <3
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Buckle up, this is long, but if I don't reiterate my statements in plain words, then people are going to try and twist my words.
"But now here someone says "hey the absurd new levels of antisemitism going around right now sucks" and suddenly everyone is unplugged and blind and ignorant of everything happening around them entirely. It's all over the internet. It's on the news. It's in fandom. You cannot miss it."
I have not missed it. It makes me so upset to the point of crying. Whenever I read the news about these atrocities, I feel physically ill. I feel powerless that I can't help the people being hurt.
"The very people who would scream that thou shall not buy a product associated with a socially condemned author are now pretending that they need bona fide proof ad nauseum to even consider a statement as basic as "Bigotry is happening.""
There is, without a doubt, an upsetting and disgusting amount of bigotry, specifically against Jewish people, that is happening right now. It sickens me to my very core. It is a fact that it is happening. I am not at all denying that it is happening. I can state time and time again, I do not doubt that there is rampant hatred against Jewish people going on. I have seen it with my own two eyes. I cannot be more clear that I am not fucking denying it.
Anons, notably the anon in 762033606017384448, has said, and I quote, "girls WERE raped on 10/7 and one so badly her pelvis broke and leftist assholes celebrated the event."
The idea that people are celebrating rape is a very out-there claim. It is the type of thing people lose jobs over because of how hateful it is.
I want to see proof of the claims that "leftists are celebrating children in Israel being raped". It's a very specific request. I want to know who is doing this vile shit because they deserve to have their names dragged through the mud for, let me remind you, celebrating children being raped.
Who are the leftists in question? Are they prominent voices online? Are they faceless nobodies? If they're prominent people in leftist circles, they shouldn't be allowed to get away with this, because they're using their platforms for absolute evil.
What is the "celebrating"? Is it blatant statements of "I'm glad this happened!" or is it a vague statement that, if in a bad faith argument, can be misconstrued, as that initial anon claimed, as "leftists celebrating children being raped"? Again, if it's the former, they need to be taken down for spreading this hatred!
At the moment, it just reads like fearmongering! "Leftists are celebrating innocent children being raped! No, I won't show you a source, you just have to trust me, and you're a bigot for wanting proof!" This mindset leads to people not believing you if you're refusing to back up your claim.
Bigotry is happening. There is no doubt about that. It is happening and it needs to be stopped. It is fucking disgusting and I want to do my part by doing what I can to defend and help the people being harassed. One way to do that is to shut down the people doing the harassment!
Name and shame the people who are, as you have said, are celebrating the rape and abuse of children! That is a reprehensible thing to do and they should at the very least receive some sort of social backlash!
I cannot put this into clearer words. If there are people who are, as the anons have claimed, are celebrating innocent people being hurt, they should be put on blast at the very least! They need to face consequences for this! Not showing any proof of these claims are allowing people to get away with hate!!
I want them to face consequences because this bigotry and hate is disgusting!!! And I loathe that these other anons are treating me and others like the bad guy because they're deliberately misinterpreting that we want to help! I am fighting beside you, but fuck you for making me the bad guy and twisting the words of myself and others.
If you, personally, are traumatized by these reprehensible scumbags celebrating atrocities, you are under no obligation to show proof. First and foremost, I do not want you to put yourself in harm's way. I've tried to dredge up proof of stuff that happens to me and others in my community. I'm trans, and the transphobia these days is absurd. Every time I find that proof, it triggers me, and I've stopped doing it.
However, for change to happen and for these bigots to be shut down and punished accordingly, someone's gotta speak out and say "X, Y, and Z are saying this. Here are the receipts."
It may not be you specifically, but whoever the specific anon was, who said "But girls WERE raped on 10/7 and one so badly her pelvis broke and leftist assholes celebrated the event." shouldn't be protecting the names of the people who are spreading this disgusting bigotry.
Posting as a response to a previous ask.
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princess-of-thebes-1995 · 11 months ago
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I am sick of this trend. Mocking Palestinians. Giving them missing teeth and facial hair. There are ugly and beautiful people in all races. I am so sick of Pro Israel fans mocking my brothers and sisters. They would whine like a bitch if we did the same back and cry antisemitism....again.
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jewish-vents · 5 months ago
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I’m a teen with already bad depression and just mental health.
Sometimes I can’t stand just seeing all the posters and stickers saying that Israel, which I have a strong connection to is committing genocide. There was one poster near my bus stop that almost made me cry in anger, it said “Resist at any means” and I know what they excuse for resistance. I had to change the way I walked multiple times throughout the year.
Most people ignore that fact that it was ruled not to be a genocide. I do feel sympathy for the Palestinian people.
My blog is very open about being a Zionist Jew. I now feel uncomfortable in certain fandoms and queer spaces.
I posted a comic on Reddit talking about antisemitism in queer spaces and in the non Jew queer subreddit , many comments said I didn’t belong in pride because I’m a Zionist and others were antisemitic. They totally missed the point.
I just sometimes feel so, I don’t even know how to describe it. All I want right now is for the Hostages to be returned and for this war to end. Sorry if this vent is long and doesn’t make sense.
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premieredimension · 7 months ago
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HEY, YES, YOU:
Here's an awesome idea for a wholesome (or disastrously Cartman) South Park episode:
Remember in 1x16 "Reverse Cowgirl" when Clyde's mom dies, making his dad, Roger Donavan, a widower? And remember how Liane Cartman, mother of Eric Cartman, is a single parent and the town slut?
Yeah. I want Liane and Roger to "fall in love" (basically a transactional fuck, but the kids are, of course, too young to understand). This could also be a "true love" kind of thing, where Liane finally has a man in her life. Roger, of course, has to have a big penis then. This would make Clyde and Eric stepbrothers. It could give insight on how awful Cartman can be (as we all know), but also about Clyde. Apart from the last special ("Not Suitable for Children"), we don't know a lot about Clyde— he's a dumb "sexy jock", a cry baby, Craig's best friend and an antivaxx. And what about Roger? Always in the background, never saying much.
This would be a perfect way to bring Clyde and Roger more into the "inner circle", but also an excellent way to talk about blended (dysfunctional) family. Of course, Liane and Roger's relationship would be temporary... Unless she loses the house again and is forced to go live in the Donovan's house, or the two are simply in love for real. This would make the Donavan-Cartman the only blended family in South Park (if I'm not mistaken), and a great wholesome family episode...
Insert the kid's hatred from one another, a shared bedroom between the two, and Clyde's ever present grief about his still dead mom, and you got yourself an episode! Will Clyde accept Liane as his new mom? Of course he will! He's 10 and he misses his mom so much!! He just wants to call someone mom and have a motherly hug!! Will Eric like that someone other than him calls his mom their's? No, of course not, he's Eric Fucking Cartman: the guy who killed the parents of his enemy, cooked them in a chili and fed them to his enemy, just because he sold him some pubes. He's also the kid who got a boob job, the kid who eats KFC chicken's skin only and an antisemitic, racist piece of shit. Which is why most of us love him: he's one of the best characters ever written.
The episode could end in a multitude of ways: Cartman could kill Roger as "vengeance", making Clyde an orphan;
Roger and Liane could end their relationship and everything goes back to normal;
Roger and Liane stay together, Clyde finds himself with a new mother figure and Eric grows a little;
Or it could be something super wholesome like Cartman refusing Roger because he's a lame nerd, but the man's there for him, with projects and homework, and at the end of the day, Eric finally gets what he's wanted all along since season one: a dad. A dad with the bonus of a brother. Insert B plot about Eric and Clyde's new friendship that forces Craig and Stan's to talk to one another. Oh, and PC principal has to have at least one line of dialogue.
I would call this episode "What Are You Doing, Step-Brother?" just because you can't not name it that.
Trey and Matt (or anyone else on the South Park team), if you're somehow on Tumblr reading this, honestly, I'm baffled but at the same time not really 'cause you asked us to draw Tweek and Craig's Yaoi for you a few years back. However, on the off chance that any one of you find this and like this, all I'm asking is 3,50$.
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hero-israel · 1 year ago
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I know you don’t like being sent stuff but this really annoyed me and I would like to rant a little. I already replied myself on Twitter but these ppl are literally just insane. Learning Yiddish as ‘anti colonial praxis’ and saying Zionism is antisemitic and attempted to wipe out Yiddish culture as if 1) some of the most dedicated Zionist’s were Yiddish speakers and Ashkenazi and 2) Yiddish was largely preserved thanks to the work of zionists and 3) was largely decreased in usage because of genocide and newer generations learning Hebrew in Israel as a national language/main language of communication and only using Yiddish around their communities, slowly diminishing its use. Unless I’m missing something there was no campaign of exterminating the Yiddish language or culture by Zionists at all.
https://x.com/moontwerk/status/1731673865112133883?s=46&t=EG0815iq-Yl0MxWghs-F_Q
What a pathetic account.
Someone rejecting mainstream Jewish culture and Jewish self-defense, today, because of some pre-Boomer shit from the 1930s? Pathetic. People need to get over shit like that. It is true that the Yishuv and early Israel did discourage or suppress Yiddish media, but that all ended before "Moontwerk"'s parents were born. It was temporary and reversible, and wound up very much reversed. Anyone who wants to address those who made PERMANENT AND IRREVERSIBLE removal of Yiddish culture needs to have the courage to confront goyim, and it is clear that account has none.
Viewing greater engagement with some form of Judaism only as spite against other Jews is also pathetic. The whitewashing of how all the first Zionists spoke Yiddish as their mother tongue, Ben-Gurion very much included, that's pathetic too. And the assertion that Hebrew in Israel is "a colonial language," while Yiddish in Europe is not, is beyond the threshold of stupidity that could ever be worth addressing. "Yiddish in Europe is anti-colonialist" is the Gen Z mutant of the old teabagger war cry "Keep the government out of my Medicare!". We can laugh at them, but it is never worthwhile to explain why, they will never get it.
The most pathetic thing of all is that "Moontwerk"'s performative contempt for normal Jews and Judaism is so transparently a desperate survival ploy, the obscene mirror image of how some German Jews thought they could win their safety through performative ultranationalist loyalty and support for Hitler.
As the insane tankie-left sharpens its fangs, there are those Jews who loudly proclaim they are fine with it as long as it doesn't come after them.
It will work until it doesn't.
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