#i hate being a wage slave i hate being poor i hate being underpaid i hate everything about it

[teethrotter]

i am so unbelievably sick of having 3 jobs

[gale-gentlepenguin]

I’m really really sorry to be disrespecting your wishes, but you just struck such a nerve I had to say something. I’m going to use America as an example. Slavery still exists in capitalism. In America they put people in jail for minor reasons and then because the jail is privately owned most of the time, they do everything in their power to keep them there. They then use these people to do free labour, a famous example being prisoners in California being forced to risk their lives and fight the wild fires. This short video explains it in basics if you’re interested (https://youtu.be/gX2R0b_mqrQ)

Slavery in America also didn’t “end” because capitalism let it. It stopped because in the civil war America needed more fighters (slaves volunteered when they knew it meant freedom) and a reason for England to stay out of the war, so they gave the fight a just cause. In fact the reason America was among the last to stop blatant slavery was because people didn’t want the economy failing from a sudden lack of free labour. Capitalism is what kept slavery around then, and still does now. Here’s a kinda long but interesting video summing up the American civil war (https://youtu.be/tsxmyL7TUJg)

Hate communism all you want, your reasons are 100% just. But please try not to spread misinformation. The reason Americans die everyday from easily preventable causes, is because they’ve been brainwashed to refuse anything even slightly to do with communism. People literally have to pay to hold their child after birth because they don’t have a socialised health care system. Here’s a short video on that if you’re interested (https://youtu.be/Kll-yYQwmuM)

(Also people really can’t move up and down the capitalism ladder without the connections you get from being at the top of it. People wouldn’t be homeless or working minimum wage jobs if they could just gain a better job through “hard work”)

Again I’m sorry to be sending you this on a platform where you want to chill, so don’t feel it necessary to respond, but I just couldn’t stay quiet.

I did say I didn't want to talk about this anymore. You clearly put thought into this ask and it isn't just another person raving about something. So I will make ONE exception. This is the last post I will talk about this.

So I am not upset with you sending me this. If anything I am glad you took sources and explained your reasoning. So I will comment on this with Equal respect and my view. I will be adding a read more because I don't want to force any opinions and views down people’s throats. I am completely fine with you disagreeing with me. I just want people to be rational and come to their own conclusions.

Lets take this point by point.

Before starting, I will agree that Capitalism as a concept didn't end slavery, I was saying the governments with that system did. Albeit not directly because it.

1.The For Profit prison system is messed up and it is filled with Corrupt and Bigotted individuals that exploit it. Sadly it isn't classified as Slavery, as the prisoners (while grossly underpaid and exploited) are technically paid and given room and board.) and unless they are on death row, can be released.  This prison system is still better then Communist systems, which effectively work their prisoners (who are locked up unjustly by vast margins) to death, or worse. Which is the main point I was making when I made my post (though it was more of an emotional rant.) I will in this response be more calm and explain my rational. Communism always results in more death and is just as corrupt. So in a matter of comparison, I would take being a prisoner in a capitalist society rather than one in a communist society.

2. Capitalism ended slavery in the sense that a Capitalist society had a war and the side with the more advanced technology and willpower managed to win the civil war and establish a written in the constitution law, that made it so people can not legally own slaves. And then at some point most capitalist societies made laws that outlawed slavery. (Of course the prison system is an exploited loophole, which I would 100% to have fixed). 

3. The health care system is also a corrupt mess. America’s healthcare system has been exploited by Big Pharma and overcharges its people to insane degrees which I personally hate. And I would not be against some sort of baseline care for everyone. But the problem is that Communism health care isn't what people imagine it would be. It removes people’s choice on the matter. Also socialist Healthcare in places such as Canada do still provide Private Health insurance. So I wouldn't be entirely against having that, (but half the Canadians I know say the system sucks greatly) I think as long as the choice is there I wouldn't mind it.

4. Communist and Socialist healthcare systems do however vastly slow down medical innovation and in the case of Communism, keeps the better care for those at the top. The capitalist system at least allows for some sort of charity system that allows for people to donate, work around certain things to get care and people that can find a way to pay can pay. I wouldn't mind having a baseline healthcare for everyone, but the problem is there is such a thing as limited resources. Even in a PERFECT Social healthcare system, it would still have limited resources and involve the government deciding on who gets what and who has to die. Which is kind of f***ed up. 

5. About having connections to move up the capitalist ladder. That is literally the same everywhere. Life is about who you know, I personally believe a meritocracy would be better but that aint how it works. That won't change regardless of the system your in. Though I am the child of immigrants that literally busted their asses when they were dirt poor to be able to provide for my sister and me. They moved up. I will say it is a lot harder nowadays, but people have done it. Hell, I know my buddy is doing it right now. He is working his way through school and studying programing. I am proud of him.

6. As someone who has personally worked at food banks and Homeless shelters. There would still be homeless people. There is a lot of mental illness in the homeless community. Supplying housing does not fix the situation because they don't know how to take care of a house. Also the fact that some people also don't want to live in a place. Everyone paints it as black and white, but the whole homeless crisis has a lot of layers to it and I do believe that at least in this system, they would still be alive. Back in Cuba and In the soviet union the mentally ill were executed... 

Lastly, all of the things you listed are valid to an extent, but the problem is that the issues you are referring too come from CORRUPTION of a system not the system itself. I do think I agree with your statements on the flaws of capitalism. I have my own personal beefs with the system, but I am enough of a realist to know that full on socialism ALWAYS ends in authoritarianism. Whether its communism or Facism, it ends poorly.

[atheism-populism-egalitarianism]

1. Yes you are, stop lying. It's so fucking obvious it's you by the way they talk.

2. Rich is literally not an "identity" it's an economic state.

3. "By your amount of consumption" what, I pack a bowl and leave it there for a week while I occasionally hit it? You don't know shit about my life, stop pretending you do so you can try and devalue my character by implying I'm a drug addict. I shouldn't have to dignify your bullshit, but I smoke less than a gram a week when I'm alone, which is most days. Like you would know that, but that is not what we call a "crutch" you dipshit lmao. Again, post a picture of yourself so I can laugh at your dumb shit boomer face.

4. The rich do not count as people. They should not be deciding who leads the country or the laws to which we must abide. The rich do not count as people because they are not beholden to the same laws that people are held to. Not even the law considers the rich people or citizens, they're considered part of the ruling class.

5. Child labor is slave labor, 100% of the time. And child labor is always paid in slaves wages, making this statement further true. If you support child labor, you support slavery. If you support paying anyone less than a living wage (which you do) you support slavery.

"They make above average wage" which is still a slave wage, you inept dipshit. Also, you have provided literally zero sources for this claim and I have found plenty to dispute it.

Like this one, which shows children are more often than not forced into long hours, every day, many hours unpaid, even on national holidays, where it interferes with their schooling, which naturally keeps them uneducated and thus less likely to question power. Hey, maybe that's why you support child labor, because you hate when adults are educated enough to question the right wing status quo!

This source talks about the statistics and how child labor is slowly going away, how most child labor goes unpaid, and likes to other articles that also explain why child labor is bad. Funny how most of these mention child labor interferes with the education of some children, which I know is considered a sin by the American right wing. Maybe that's why you support it, because you're against education for the poor.

But no source suggesting children are paid higher than the average wage, most sources point to children being severely underpaid and not paid for their labor at all. Look at you, making shit up to justify your bigoted world view.

6. Children cannot consent.

Capitalists will defend anything as long as they can defend the almighty dollar, I say disappointed seeing the child labor post.

Isn't it gross? "Corruption is cool because, like, I'm benefiting from it!"