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how about A Gordon and Edward Analysis
Ooh yes⊠the OG dynamic! The first one, the foundation for everything!
(Unless you count âEdward and railwaymenâ... or âEdward and coachesâ... which, to be fair, I doâŠ)Â
These two are insane (affectionate). Hot take but this may be the saddest relationship on the N.W.R.?* Theyâre my two bestest boys but, man. Their dynamic is fucked. Edward and James are nothing compared to this. Gordon and Henry are healthy, relatively.Â
tl;dr: They need couples counseling.Â
Jobey, aren't you being a little dramatic?Â
Am I? Take my hand. Let's do a close readâŠÂ
* This is going to focus on RWS (not tv series). Right now and for the rest of this post, Iâm going to be talking strictly from the Wilbert books (and, thus, analyzing their relationship from the â20s to the â60s only) unless I specify otherwiseÂ
Part 1 (this post): Gordon, what's your damage? đ / The Doylist Reason / Rent. Free.Â
Post 2 (upcoming post, link later):Â Edward's Defences / Gordon's Growth
Post 3 (upcoming post, link later): Collision / Uh⊠Cleanup Crew?
tagging @weirdowithaquill because you asked for Edward+James and i wound up folding in most of what i have to say about them into this analysis đ
in RWS they're a good foil for understanding Edward+Gordon
Gordon, what's your damage? đ
There is a strong drive, right here on ttteblr, to portray how despite some notorious conflicts these two are canonically old friends. Also that maybe Gordonâs bad behavior is not so bad.Â
That is a valid mission, indeed I flatter myself that I had some influence steering us down this road a few years back, however sometimes I think we're in danger of forgetting how often Gordon really has just been like⊠This:Â
"You watch me this afternoon, little Edward," he boasted, "as I rush through with the Express; that will be a splendid sight for you." (1923)Â
âIâve done it! Iâve done it! Iâve done it!â he said proudly, and forgot all about Edward pushing behind. He didnât wait to say âThank youâ... (1923)Â
Edward puffed and pulled, and pulled and puffed, but he couldnât move the heavy coaches. / âI told you so,â said Gordon rudely. (1923)Â
So Edward found coaches for the three engines, and that day the trains ran as usual. / But when The Fat Controller came the next morning, Edward looked unhappy. / Gordon came clanking past, hissing rudely. âBless me!â said The Fat Controller. âWhat a noise!â (1926-1934) *
When Gordon and Henry heard about the accident, they laughed and boasted. âFancy allowing cows to break his train! They wouldnât dare do that to us. Weâd show them!â they boasted. (1952)Â
âThe Fat Controller would never approve,â said Gordon loftily. âBranch Lines are vulgar.â (1965)Â
Edward scolded the twins severely, but told Gordon it served him right. Gordon was furious. / A few days later, some Enthusiasts came. On their last afternoon they went to the China Clay Works. / Edward found it hard to start the heavy train⊠/ âJust pathetic,â grunted Gordon. âHe should give up and be Preserved before itâs too late.â (1965) **Â
I am sportingly not even saddling Gordon with the blame for the line "Driver won't choose you again. He wants strong engines like us." (In TTRE, this is said by the collective of big engines â although the illustrations do clearly point a finger at Gordon. Still, like I said, I'm going to be sporting. The pictures aren't canon.) Also note that in RWS Gordon doesn't say "No use at all" when he learns Edward has come to push his train; that whole bit of dialogue was something Britt and David cooked up.Â
Even being as generous as possible, this still leaves us with⊠seven. Seven instances of Gordon taking a shot at Edward.Â
Thatâs actually quite a⊠lot?Â
I mean, not necessarily if we were racking up all the complaints, ranging from major to miniscule, that youâd have about someone youâd lived and worked with for over 40 years, lol.Â
But we shouldnât actually be expecting a complete inventory at all. RWS books are minimalist on detail. There's just so much less in 'em than the sprawling TVS with its 24 full series, lol. And letâs focus here on just the Wilbert canon, since thatâs where all these examples of Gordon being rude to Edward come from. Seven times, in 26 books. For context, the number of times Thomas teases Gordon in this same corpus is⊠three. Three times. Thomas cheeking Gordon. Also kind of a fundamental dynamic. THRICE!Â
Passengers saying What a Bad Railway It Was⊠two. Number of times Thomas and Percy squabble⊠three. Number of accidents that Percy gets into (and this includes the piddling stuff, like crashing into that wagon of flour that was left on the rails)⊠five. Reflect on that for a moment: Gordon is a dick to Edward in canon more often than Percy's had an accident. That's crazy. Indeed, there are plenty of RWS characters who are canonically friends or who shed together who don't even get to have seven shared moments. It's actually kind of a fun game, to try to think of any two of them who, like Gordon and Edward, have seven of a specific kind of interaction. Have at it! There has to be something I've missed.Â
But I hope it's clear, that by the standards of these books this character dynamic is hit A LOT. You know me, I'm going to go on to contextualize a lot of these seven examples, and I'm going to play Gordon defense attorney to a certain degree, and plead mitigation. But I can't possibly explain away the sheer size of this pile of evidence. This specific dynamic is not meant to be overlooked. It's not meant to be minimized.
This is a big inescapable part of what their relationship is.Â
The Doylist Reason
Now, in fairness, the meta reason this dynamic is so pervasive and repeated is that it's The Template.Â
âBig braggadocious engine needs help from humble plucky little engineâ was trite before The Three Railway Engines was published. This is not a slam; Iâm not gonna get on another parentâs case about the story they improvised for their kid because âit relies on cliches.â But itâs just a fact: Edward and Gordon, to begin with, are simply THE foundational cliche of âanthropomorphic trainâ media.Â
One of the reasons the RWS (and the whole subsequent TTTE juggernaut) is so successful is because it features so many creative variations on this template. Most of the relationships are just "okay so one of them is the Gordon, and one of them is the Edward, but this time there's a twist!" (This is how you get Thomas as the big breakout character â because the Thomas and Gordon variation is a lot less cliched, and a lot more fun.)
Just an observation.Â
Now, Awdry did keep writing the OGs again and again and again, for a couple'a decades, and he developed them both quite a bit. So by the end of his run we do have a very elaborate Jenga tower built on this template. Loads of fun* to be had yet. So let's jump right back into analyzing this shit in-universe.Â
* For certain definitions of fun đ
Rent. Free.
The first thing I wanted you to note about Gordonâs Edward-directed crimes was that there were a lot of them.Â
The second thing I want you to note is that⊠these are, perhaps, not all so very criminal?Â
Some of it is â the group harassment about the strikebreaking and the âJust pathetic!â bit (more on both of those later). But a lot of the rest of it strikes me as more the results of being blunt or un-self-aware or even just plain boisterous than actively choosing to bully anyone. In particular, the early stuff, the Three Railway Engines stuff on which the whole foundation of their relationship is laidâŠÂ
"You watch me this afternoon, little Edward," he boasted, "as I rush through with the Express; that will be a splendid sight for you." (1923)Â
Condescending. Tone-deaf. Belittling (literally). But⊠not actually spiteful?
âIâve done it! Iâve done it! Iâve done it!â he said proudly, and forgot all about Edward pushing behind. He didnât wait to say âThank youâ... (1923)Â
That's not cool, but it's also not⊠that bad.Â
At the point where The Three Railway Engines ends with the claim "all three engines are now great friends," it's like, sure. You can see that. Indeed you can see it much more easily for Gordon and Edward than you could with Gordon and Henry â Gordon's behavior toward the latter (though in a similar vein of "kick a fellow when he's down") was much more extreme, and Henry's behavior was so bizarre that you hardly know what to expect from him next. (What you don't expect is that those two will be joined at the hip for the next thirty years.) By contrast the Edward and Gordon relationship should be kinda easy, the former's really nice so the latter just has to remember some basic manners and they should be okay. Right?Â
But that's not how it goes. Partly of course because Gordon has much more out-of-pocket shit in him than he ever displayed in TTRE. But I'm going to set aside some of the more severe tests that Gordon makes of these friendships till later â stuff like punishing Edward for breaking his tender engine strike and "Just pathetic!" (not to mention all the needling of Henry around the Flying Kipper accident). Setting that aside, Gordon's original sin is simply being a dumb, self-centered, out-of-touch rich jock. Yes, heâs consistently ârude,â but usually more in an ignorant, superior, âI cannot be bothered to try not/learn how to prevent myself giving offenseâ sort of way than an aggressive, malicious âhurting you for fun and profitâ sort of way. In contrast to, say, James. Whose behavior really is consistently mean. And who is hurtful on purpose, because heâs having a bad day and tearing someone else down is how he copes. James insults; Gordon (except in those couple of asterisked cases that weâre tabling for later discussion) merely boasts. And itâs really quite interesting to me how Edward seems to have much less problem with the former than with the latter!Â
Because he does have a problem with it. We know, because for most of this long list of incidents the source must be⊠him.Â
This is a series where canonically the Author is a human âfriend of the railway,â collecting and publishing these stories in order to publicize the railway to the world. This is something that really canât be forgotten when reading these (indeed, thanks to the âAuthorâs Noteâ each time, the books will not let you forget it). The narrator is canonically a figure in this universe, and is not omniscient.Â
And, when it comes to the Edward/Gordon dynamic, the Authorâs point of view is consistently collapsing into Edwardâs point of view.Â
Certain times when the narrator editorializes about details, we can be pretty sure, are lifted straight from Edwardâs take on the moment (and, if not Edwardâs, then The Fat Controllerâs, which to be frank is also roughly aligned):Â
Edward puffed and pulled, and pulled and puffed, but he couldnât move the heavy coaches. / âI told you so,â said Gordon rudely. (1923)Â
That Gordon said that, I donât doubt. That the adverb is necessary, or even correct? Thatâs⊠thatâs interpretative. I totally understand why Edward and TFC, respectively, took it that way, but Iâm not 100% convinced it was meant that way, nor that everyone else on scene regarded it as much more than Gordon glumly colour-commentating the group effort to recover from his breakdown. Is he being ârudeâ? Or is he merely too blunt for North Western sensibilities?
Anyway, even if ârudeâ is the correct interpretation, it is again worth noting that itâs certainly not part of the narrative as Gordon would have been telling the story in the 1940s. (The 1940s! It's over twenty years later! And Edward is getting his side of the thing in fuckin' print⊠Big win, that.)
So, if we agree that Edward is the source the Author primarily relies on for these 2+4 scenes, what does this show us? Well, for one, I'd say it shows us that Edward may âforgiveâ all this but he is certainly not forgetting one bit of it. Indeed the narrativeâs repeated return to this dynamic almost certainly mirrors how much room Gordonâs superior attitude occupies in Edwardâs headspace.
Which is kinda wild. There's no evidence Edward is petty by nature, if anything there's a lot that suggests the opposite. Gordon getting this far under his paint is⊠something of an achievement.Â
But we can see how he managed:Â
Even discounting the illustration. Even if Gordon isnât the speaker. He was one of Them. The other big engines who tormented Edward may have been worse, were probably worse, but they are gone and Gorson remains, an eternal reminder of 1922-3. Of the primordial period when Gordon has the power, Edward doesn't. Gordon is on top of their world; Edward is left alone in a shed, cut off from all his former friends and supporters, afraid for his life, roundly denigrated by the engines he lives with, and quite possibly lost his previous job directly in favor of Gordon. Who, at best, is careless and oblivious. Who, at worst, is belittling and rude.Â
Ouch.Â
Gordon's arrival is still bound up, probably even the direct cause, of one of the most miserable and humiliating year of Edward's life. And â maliciously or not â everything about how Gordon conducts himself only serves to keep tearing again at that wound. Â
Ouch.Â
If Edward were to write off Gordin as a potential friend till the end of time, well, you know, it would be valid. Not very "wise" or anything, but itâd be understandable.
To be clear, I don't think this is what happens. I'm not going to argue that the famous line from the end of TTRE is a lie, some sort of diplomatic fiction. No, Gordon and Edward quickly make a go at genuine friendship. Indeed, throughout all this mess, even as I analyze it in excruciating detail⊠there's something kind of touching and weirdly wholesome about the way that they both try so hard to make it work despite the headwinds against them. Edward (and Gordon, for that matter) make sincere efforts to overcome the wounds they have inflicted on each other's egos. Kudos, lads.Â
However, I also don't agree with a vast assumption on the part of many fans that Edward solves the issue by simply⊠rising above. Puts aside his own ego, takes a pacifist approach to all the jockeying for position, acts purely as mentor, just sits on the moral high ground and philosophically accepts everything as it is.Â
This is canonically nonsense. Yes, Edward was passive in his first-ever story â he was at the end of the line; he needed someone to give him a damn break before he even had options â he doesn't actually remain passive after that, though. Indirect (heâs allergic to conflict), but not passive. We see very clearly that Edward may be judging status by a bit of a different yardstick than Gordon et. al., he doesnât think picking up the slack on secondary or support jobs is a source of shame and his relative physical weakness drives him to find different ways to distinguish himself, but, like, when it comes to points-scoring, heâs still very much in the game. Of course his first priority is just to be wanted and useful at all, but that is not the end of it. Edward is competitive, with a proper amount of pride (âGood! Donât let them beat youâ) and he has normal engine-y desires and ambitions (âLook at me!â). âCourse, in his case they donât drive him to make a straight-up nuisance of himself. But, still. It matters to him that he gets to be the Smartest Engine in the Shed. It matters to him that he has nice blue wheels. It matters to him that heâs important, it matters to him that heâs respected, and heâs quite as pleased to get important jobs as any other engine (even if he doesnât begrudge an engine who gets a jammier job than him). When canon kicks off no driver at Vicarstown has laid a claim on Edward, Topham Hatt has just succeeded some previous General Manager and shows no sign of knowing or remembering that Edward exists, and Edward has nothing â no job and no allies. It is not an accident that all three of those things change. Itâs not even merely a natural karmic reward for being a nice, humble engine with a winsome smile. Edward set out to earn recognition. His main method (be helpful and reliable to others) is admirable, but it is also a means to a goal (be recognized as important and ensure he's never again stuck in the sheds). And he succeeds wildly. Thereâs luck there, sure - there always is, with success - but he didnât have a lot of natural advantage at his tender, either. What Iâm saying is that heâs not some innocent unworldly soul who aww-shucksâd his way into it. He meant for this to happen. He played smart and he worked hard for it â but, like, he had to know what it was he wanted.Â
Am I belaboring this point? Maybe. But I feel like so many people only see Edward as nothing more than a dutiful, responsible, maybe even stuffy oldster with at most an occasional twinkle of fun in his eye and, hell, often thatâs not even a big problem (though I think it sells short later characters who arrive and who are ACTUALLY more unambitious and above-it-all than Edward - for instance, I think Donald and Douglas are actually our first tender engines who show up and legitimately just never once give a shit about their status, at least not beyond the status of âaliveâ vs. âdeadâ). But I think it IS a problem, that it does lead you wrong, when you bring that assumption to bear on Edwardâs relationship with Gordon. Edward never "mentors" Gordon. Itâs a fundamentally competitive relationship. Oh, maybe it shouldnât be! It shouldnât be, because Edward is not jealous by nature and so if Gordon were halfway chill himself it never would have been. And it shouldnât be, because Gordon so easily outclasses Edward that there should be no reason for Gordon to ever get jealous, either. But they both manage, somehow. Edwardâs not just benignly pulling a quarter out of Gordonâs ear every so often, to gently remind him that Gordon doesnât know everything yet. He might have settled into this role, if Gordon hadnât scared the existential shit out of him throughout the â20s, but Gordon did and so Edward didnât. Edwardâs in it to win it, babe! He accepts that his express days are over, but heâs not willing to be told he never again gets a cut of the cake, either â and, when Gordon snubs him, Edward is not just rising above the fray and letting it go. Theyâre always playing tug-of-war.Â
To reiterate: I don't think Edward is faking friendship after Gordon's failed express. He's really working on it â and he might have had more success letting go of the previous wounds Gordon inflicted on his ego â if only Gordon had stopped that sort of shit, going forward!Â
But that's asking too much. It's still the 1920s, baby; Gordon's gonna Gordon; so what's a little tender engine to do?Â
#tune in next time#(tomorrow)#(there will be lots more CLOSE TEXTUAL ANALYSIS tomorrow đ)#ttte#chatter#ttte analysis#the railway series#ttte edward#ttte gordon#ttte james#(he really said 'why am i NOT in it?')#(i caved. quickly. like a sucker.)#ttte henry#(he wanted to be left out of it but absolutely could not be)#2+4#3+4#2+5#long post#minty ty so much for this ask. working on it has left me even more Normal about these guys than i originally was! ! !đŻđđ
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do you have any poetry recommendations? or books with nice prose?
Hiya, I do not read poetry for leisure, so unfortunately I'm not a brilliant person to ask for recs--I like what I've heard of Li-Young Lee and Rumi, and if you're into the romantics, of course Walt Whitman, Coleridge, Wordsworth, Blake, Shelley, Keats, and Yeats are lovely! (Those are among my fiance's favorites--he's much more versed in poetry than I am and can recite multiple poems by heart!) When I was young, I liked Pablo Neruda, but I haven't revisited his poetry recently enough to feel strongly about it.
For fiction books with lovely prose, my old standbys are of course JRR Tolkien (The Lord of the Rings, Silmarillion), Philip Pullman (His Dark Materials), and Robin McKinley (The Blue Sword, The Hero and the Crown, etc.). Patricia A. McKillip's prose is insanely lyrical, almost like a Celtic fairytale or Greek epic, though almost to the point where the plots were a bit slow: if you want to 'sink in' to the prose, though, she might be a good pick. Same with Guy Gavriel Kay (Tigana, The Lions of Al-Rassan). Oh, and Tad Williams, too--I loved his Shadowmarch series, but I hear Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn is very poetic too.
If you want more recent recs, I thought The Bear and the Nightingale by Katherine Arden and The Curse of Chalion (and its sequel, The Paladin of Souls) by Lois McMaster Bujold had absolutely lush, sensuous, beautiful prose. Sharon Shinn's Mystic and Rider was great, too, though I would say it's just very well-written and velvety rather than outright poetic in its prose. Oh, and the prose in Robert V.S. Redick's two series--The Chathrand Voyage and The Fire Sacraments--is also absolutely insane! You can't go wrong with any of these, and they're all absolute standouts in the fantasy of the last 20 years, in my opinion!
Hope that's helpful!
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Hazbin Hotel x Twisted Wonderland
An idea for an AU where the whole Hazbin Hotel ended up in Twisted Wonderland. The whole hotel(after ep 2) is suddenly transported to Night Raven College and somehow combines with The Ramshackle Dorm. Everyone is freaking out and is wondering where the hell are they, and who is this human kid (Yuu) and is that a talking cat?!?! Why are its ears on fire???Â
There will be a lot of chaos before everyone settles down. I can see Crowley will try to take advantaâahem, show his kindness and let them stay on campus in exchange for helping out with the school.
Also this is a Hogwart/Disney school?? Where villains are being worshipped as heroes and history is not what it seems. I can see Charlie being a Disney fan will feel conflicted about this? Was their history wrong or the movies wrong? Not all the story is what it seems.
Charlie will learn a thing or two about perception in stories. How the story is being told depends on who's telling it, maybe her parents' story of hell might not be as accurate as they tell her.
But who cares about that right now, this is a magic school with wonders and amazement and new opportunities. But they are stuck being staff in a school full of douchebags kids with no pay. YayyyâŠâŠ..Â
There are assigned different jobs and spread out across campus
Charlie: School's official therapist/counselor. Usually has no patients unless is an Overblot victim or Yuu coming in from an Overblot incident or dealing with Crowleyâs bullshit. She is also Yuuâs primary caretaker, Crowley is irresponsible enough to leave Yuu on their own to fend for themselves doesnât sit well with Charlie. So she stepped up and became a big sister to Yuu.(Which is a big relief. Have you seen what this kid went through in the game, especially in the later books?)
Yuu: Charlie assistant therapist/Crowley's gofer/Hotel gofer/Grim's caretaker. The unfortunate isekai protag who ends up cleaning up all the mess/incident at school. If that's not bad enough, with Ramshackle combining with the Hazbin Hotel, they will also need to deal with the Hazbin crew too. Will not be able to catch any break. At all.
Vaggie: School security and second gym coach. Will be extra protective of Charlie and super on edge due to being in a new environment and in an all boys school. Hates Coach Vargas as he reminds her of Adam and will be very strict towards the students and training them like a drill sergeant
Angel: Health/Sex-ed teacher. How did Crowley approve of this? No one knows. He is the teacher that everyone avoids but has to see due to being mandatory. Very uncomfortable and in way too many details of sex-ed during his class. Luckily for them, the students are all underage and he won't go that far. Except for Leona who is currently 20 years old. Yeah.....
Husk: School cafeteria worker. No different than working at the bar in Hotel but instead of hearing the Hazbin's moan and bitch about their problems, he gets to hear students moan and bitch about their problems. Oh and no alcohol since it's a school and all.
Niffty: School Janitor. Everyone is afraid of her and is cleaning up after themselves just to avoid her. Students with bug-like features or resembles it hides from her.
Alastor: School Announcer. This creepy fuck took over the school broadcasting system and turns it into his own radio studio. Keeps tabs on the student body and makes announcement that either is useful or just fuck with the student body. Very interested in this world of magic and trying to study them for his advantage. He is also looking into Unique Magic and is particularly interested in Azul's.
Sir Pentious: School Repairman. He mostly causes explosions with his inventions and his egg bois can be found all over campus. There are just so many of them, like an Easter egg hunt. His invention is interesting enough and everyone likes an airship with a death ray attached to it.
I can imagine in this AU they will be stuck until all 7 Overblots are resolved and then maybe they will find a way back to Hell. Along the way, they will get involved in a lot of shenanigans and start to grow fond of the kids.Â
They can see the kids do their best, but they always lose. What surprised them is that even with constant failure and loss, they never gave up. The kids are so passionate about their dreams & ambitions when they fall down and crawl back up no matter what.
In a sense, they can see how these kids are similar to Charlie with her dreams. Maybe there is more in common to them in this world than they thought.
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Hereâs a bunch of 3+ year old incorrect TOH quotes from my notes app because Iâm bored
News reporter: There are rumors that you recently went undercover at Hexside under the name âCalebâ. Is this true?
The Golden Guard: Pfft, TITAN no. Calebâs just a pathetic wannabe who canât stand his own incompetence. Like, seriously, he canât do *anything*Â right. I feel bad for anyone who has to suffer the embarrassment of being within 20 feet of him. Heâs such a loser.
Hunter, watching the clip on his scroll a few hours later: Say that to my face, you fucking tool. Stop being such a royal ass-kisser and get a real job.
The Emerald Entrails, sitting together after practice:
Willow:Â Are you okay?
Luz: No problemo!
Luz, internally: But it was all problemo.
Gus: What's your biggest fear?
Hunter: Being replaced.
Gus: Damn that's deep.
Gus: My new one is the Kool-Aid man but I feel kinda stupid about it now.
Hunter, lying in the woods, depressed:Â I'll never be a cop again. I'm gonna have to be a robber.
Lilith: You know, I really wish youâd just admit you made a mistake sometimes.
The Golden Guard, stirring his coffee: I prefer it with salt.
Willow: What are you two arguing about this time?
Hunter: Heâs always using human phrases incorrectly!
Gus: Cry me a table, Hunter.
Luz: I'm very disappointed in you, Vee.
Hunter: C'mon, don't get mad at Vee!
Luz: Hunter, stop telling Vee it's okay for her to punch you! She needs to learn not to punch people!
Hunter: But I'm not a person!
Vee: Which is why I punched him!
Lilith: *Turns on the breakroom light*
The Golden Guard: *Sitting at the table, eating bread*
Lilith: Itâs four in the morning.
The Golden Guard: Turn the light back off.
Hunter:Â The joy of hanging out with Luz. You look away for 5 seconds to make sure something is set up correctly, and she bites the tip of a marker off.
Camila: Can you come out?
Luz: Yeah gimme a minuteâŠ
Luz: Mom, Iâm bi.
Camila: I know that. Come out to the car.
Luz: Okay.
Luz: Car, Iâm bi.
Camila, a tired mother:
Willow: *lifting weights*
Hunter: Wow⊠Sheâs so intense!
Luz: I wonder what drives her.
Willow, internally: Oh I am going to be SO good at giving hugs.
Hunter, protecting a palistrom forest:Â I am Hunter, I speak for the trees. Chop them down and I snap your knees.
Luz: I wanna be a knight!
Hunter, basically a knight: What the fuck do you want this shit for? I kill people, all right? Their blood is on my hands! Every night, when I go to sleep, I see their FUCKING faces staring at me! Their families weep, and I FEEL NOTHING! IâM DEAD INSIDE!
Luz: Man, I want some of that in my life!
Luz: I want a trip down memory lane.
Vee: *proceeds to grab every warrior cats book they have and sets them in Luzâs lap*
Vee: I heard you needed these?
Luz: YES! ALL OF THEM!
Hunter: Due to personal reasons, I will be fucking sinking to the bottom of the ocean in a large metal box.
Luz: Did Willow say âI love youâ and you said âThanksâ?
Hunter: THE REASONS ARE PERSONALâ
The Golden Guard, on live news:Â I can't imagine what the Owl Lady is planning, but I can tell you two things: we won't like it and it won't be legal.
Gus:Â Did you win? Or just not die?
Gus: Either way, hooray.
Hunter:Â ... Is "no" a valid answer?
Gus:Â The hooray is redacted and you frighten me.
The Golden Guard: Hey, do you know anyone who can teach me to play the trumpet?
Darius: Why?
The Golden Guard: I want to wander around playing it to annoy Lilith.
Darius: Technically, you donât actually need to know how to play the trumpet well for that.
The Golden Guard: Darius, you have opened my eyes.
Lilith: Can we talk about that mass message you sent?
The Golden Guard: Why? It was important.
Lilith: All it says is, "I'm back on my shit".
Steve, shrugging: The people need to know.
Gus: How long do you think itâll be until Willow finally snaps and commits murder?
Hunter: Iâve been operating under the assumption that itâs already happened at some point and itâs just that no one was ever able to trace it back to her.
Hunter: It was difficult, so youâve just given up. You might fail, so why bother trying?
Luz: Exactly.
Luz, to Amity: I told you heâd understand.
Willow: Remember, when burying a body, make sure to cover it with endangered plants so itâs illegal to dig up!
Willow: Make sure to follow me for more gardening tips!
Hunter: There's something I have to ask about you-know-who.
Luz: Voldemort?
Hunter: No.
Luz: Is it Voldemort?
Hunter: It's not Voldemort.
Luz: You havenât mentioned wizards once this conversation, so Iâm gonna have to assume itâs Voldemort.
#Btw my toh as textposts things still get notes daily and it frightens me /lh#toh incorrect quotes#toh#the owl house#toh memes#shitpost#toh shitpost#incorrect quotes#luz noceda#Hunter toh#canât be bothered to tag anyone else
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Ouhh wait
#terunosuke would be 26 in tskrla#he was booked as a 20 year old and this is#7 years after#so 27 actually ryoma is 28#anyway I'm thinking of this scenario of#teru finding a mirror that shows him what he used to be#and its sad#not teru.. hes actually more amazed than anything#for me teru wouldnt really get sad about what happened#It just is what it is#melancholic maybe but not sad#being a book was actual torture but he got out and he actually likes where he is rn#tskrla stuff#terunosuke tskrla
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tell me i'm not the only one who regularly has this thought
#like yes ik aftg is in 2006 yes ik andrew is 20 years old no i dont understand how that means he was born in 1986#that makes him 38 years old present day#hes only 11 years younger than my mother#this actually keeps me up at night#im older than book andrew tho and somehow that adds to my late night thoughts#wait i think hes actually 37 present day since hes a november baby#aftg#all for the game#the foxhole court#andrew minyard
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I â€ïž thinking about joffreymargaery failmarriage but itâs almost always w the show version *crowd boos* bc itâs more fun to imagine adults in a toxic relationship like book version is just
#.txt#ok well joffreyâs still like 17 in the show but. heâs almost there#I have no idea how old show marg is but im assuming they have the same 2-3 year difference as in the books so like 19-20 ig#she doesn't really look 19 but neither does robb let's suspend our disbelief#god forbid they have a problematic age gap#edit apparently he's 19 in the show. I dont believe that#19 according to the show wiki so like probably wrong but yay for beating the problematic age gap allegations ig#if he was 19 that would mean him and marg were engaged for like a year before actually getting married...omg slowburn romance
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I've been thinking about the tragedy of Elizabeth Woodville living to see the end of her family name.
I don't mean her family with her husband, which lived on through her daughter and grandson. I mean her own.
Her sisters died, one by one, many of them after 1485. When Elizabeth died, only Katherine was left, and she would die before the turn of the century as well.
All her brothers died, too. Lewis died in childhood. John was executed. Anthony was murdered. Lionel died suddenly in the peak of Richard's reign, unable to see his niece become queen. Edward perished at war. Richard died in grieving peace. For all the violence and judgement the family endured, it was "an accident of biology" that ended their line: none of the brothers left heirs, and the Woodville name was extinguished. We know the family was aware of this. We know they mourned it, too:
âBuy a bell to be a tenor at Grafton to the bells now there, for a remembrance of the last of my blood.â
Elizabeth lived through the deposition and death of her young sons, and lived to see the end of her own family name. It must have been such a haunting loss, on both sides.
#(the quote is by Richard Woodville in his deathbed will; he was the last of the Woodville brothers to die)#elizabeth woodville#woodvilles#my post#to be clear I am not arguing that the death of an English gentry family name is some kind of giant tragedy (it absolutely the fuck is not)#I'm trying to put it into perspective with regards to what Elizabeth may have felt because we know her family DID feel this way#writing this kinda reminded me of how I am just not fond at all about the way Elizabeth's experiences in 1483-85 are written about#and the way lots so many of the unprecedentedly horrifying aspects are overlooked or treated so casually:#the seizure and murder of two MINOR sons and the illegal execution of another;#her sheer vulnerability in every way compared to all her queenly predecessors; how she was harassed by 'dire threats' for months;#how she had 5 very young daughters with her to look after at the time (Bridget and Katherine were literally 3 and 4 years old);#how unprecedented Richard's treatment of her was: EW was the first queen of england to be officially declared an adulteress;#and the first and ONLY queen to be officially accused of witchcraft#(Joan of Navarre was accused of her treason; she was never explicitly accused of witchcraft on an official level like EW was)#the first crowned queen of england to have her marriage annulled; and the first queen to have her children officially bastardized#what former queens endured through rumors* were turned into horrifying realities for her.#(I'm not trying to downplay the nightmare of that but this was fundamentally on a different level altogether)#nor did Elizabeth get a trial or appeal to the church. like I cannot emphasize this enough: this was not normal for queens#and not normal for depositions. ultimately what Richard did *was* unprecedented#and of course let's not forget that Elizabeth had literally just been unexpectedly widowed like 20 days before everything happened#I really don't feel like any of this is emphasized as much as it should be?#apart from the horrifying death of her sons - but most modern books never call it murder they just write that they 'disappeared'#and emphasize that ACTUALLY we don't know what happened to them (this includes Arlene Okerlund)#rather than allowing her to have that grief (at the very least)#more time is spent dealing with accusations that she was a heartless bitch or inconsistent intriguer for making a deal with Richard instead#it also feels like a waste because there's a lot that can be analyzed about queenship and R3's usurpation if this is ever explored properly#anyway - it's kinda sad that even after Henry won and her daughter became queen EW didn't really get a break#her family kept dying one by one and the Woodville name was extinguished. and she lived to see it#it's kinda heartbreaking - it was such a dramatic rise and such a slow haunting fall#makes for a great story tho
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iâm sorry, if jessica died when she was 15, and sheâs 6 years older than lockwood, and she died 6 years before he showed lucy and george her room at the end of the whispering skull, which takes place the june after the november of the screaming staircase, which is 6 months after lucy joins the agency, and george joined a year before her, that means that he was 15 when he showed them the room, 14 when lucy joins the agency, and 13!! when george does. he was either like 12 or 13 when he started the agency. i thought they were like 16 screaming staircase and 18 by the end of it this is so weird
#all this time i was like#the supervisors arenât that much older than them#at least kipps isnât#only like 4 years#just let them do what they want#theyâre fine#NO#THEYRE NOT FINE#THEYRE LIKE 12#NO WONDER EVERYONE THINKS THEY NEED A SUPERVISOR#ha imagine 20 year old kipps going like#âand these are my arch enemiesâ#âsir thatâs a freshmanâ#sorry ik itâs london and they donât use those terms#but from what i can tell they also donât go to school so it doesnât matter#wait nooooo itâs super senior netflix kipps#i hate it#ik theyâre aged up and heâs aged down but still thatâs funny to think about#ok but lockwoods and georgeâs voices probably cracked so much that first book#also the thinking cloth makes so much more sense with this informations#same with their food choices#lockwood and co#the screaming staircase#the whispering skull#anthony lockwood#lucy carlyle#george cubbins#george karim#quill kipps#lockwood and co netflix
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YORISHIMA WAAAAAH đ„čđ«¶
#PLEASEEEEE WHY DOES HE LOOK SO YOUNG#that's the face card of a 20-year old ish anime man omg đ what are you @ peepaw!!!!!!!!!#natori is so cutesy too here....... đ„čđ#cracking tf up the longer i look at yorishima omg... he looks so soft here and for WHAAAT#yorishima#natori shuuichi#natsume takashi#nyanko sensei#natsume yuujinchou s7#natsume yuujinchou#natsume's book of friends#natsuyuu#natsuyuu anime
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this is how older anduin looks in my head
#anduin wrynn#world of warcraft#my art#and not like a 45 year old warcraft man#in game he would use the male kyrian model#he is in his 20s and he takes after his mother as described in the books#so he is maybe like 5'7 or 5'8 and has a small build#he's taller than wrathion tho#he is a priest#and he does not dress like royalty and considers himself neutral rather than alliance#which is why I didn't use any blue in his outfit#I have a hard time with design but I'm asking for so little#also in my head varian doesn't die because his relationship with anduin makes them both so much more interesting#characters make other characters better by contrast. that is the point. they bring out things in each other#no one can take varian going to pride with an 'I love my gay son' shirt. NO ONE#sorry I didn't mean to choose violence in these tags#okay bye
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Young Lucius: Monk in Training
We were so close to getting a tome Lucius...! IS actually remembered Lucius existed and gave him an alt, but then they forgot which weapon he starts out with again!!! (I'm sure it's intentional, tbh)
So close yet so far~ đ
this piece was on the backburner foreverrrrrr
i legit started it over 6 months ago and never got around to finishing it. I promised I'd finish it if Lucius stayed in 100s in CYL, so here it is, haha. It's actually a lot older than it looks. How time flies
#minis art#fire emblem#fire emblem 7#fe7#fe#fire emblem blazing sword#fire emblem blazing blade#fire emblem heroes#feh#young lucius#is technically a different character?#having to double the amount of staff skills i get#just bc they couldnt be bothered to give him his book back#seriously idk if theyll ever give him another alt#since hes a guy#and a minor character#from a 20+ year old game#i would legit pay money to give him his book back#alas#lucius
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Mom got me an immortal pumpkin
Well, crafting pumpkin, but still, it's unrottable. I'm very pleased. I might knit it a cap just for it, that sounds fun. đ
#rae is such a dork#I like pumpkins but they always rot when I get one for the season because I like to keep them around#So now I have a forever pumpkin#In other news#My great uncle died a few days ago and I'm sort of processing that#I was just thinking last week about the $20 bill in my wallet he gave me about 6 years ago for my birthday that I haven't spent yet#He gave me it for my birthday to buy that Definitively Dangerous Edition book without him really knowing I had already bought the book#So he said that I could just use it to get myself something nice instead#I never found anything I wanted to spend that specific bill on#It's a crumpled old $20 but it's special to me#You get what I mean right?#The moment surrounding it was worth more than the monetary value itself to me#It was a nice day and during a family reunion that took place a couple weeks after my birthday
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why do people just forget percy and literally every single demigod (at the very least greek idk shit abt the romans) that exists in the series canonically has ADHD & dyslexia like why are you acting like theyâre all neurotypicals?? (I know exactly why itâs bc rr told and did not show)
#just had to see an awful chronically online take#something along the lines of âpercy is horrible bc he said r-slurâ when heâs literally disabled himself and it was in retort to a bully#who was calling tyson it#not to mention the books are almost 20 years old#percy jackson#pjo#rr crit
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Giving a complicated tragic childhood backstory to your favorite character is all fun and games, until you realize you need to account for how old all the other adult characters would have been at the time and realize that scenes that would work perfectly if one character was twenty three and the other was fourteen stop working when you need other characters who are played by adult actors clearly younger than they are to be in college at the same time so your story beats line up thematically.
#Don't worry. I made an excel document for this over a year ago#Was that unhinged? Yeah. But this is harder than you think it is#In unrelated news it is now reasonable to have a child in your 20s 30s or 40s depending on when the plot needs the child#Also people in their early 20s can be in grad school have already established careers and adopt children now. I've declared it.#Also: Hollywood stop trying to trick me into believing women in their 30s are the same age as men in their 50s. It's never gonna work.#I'm fighting for my life to make these age gaps normal even on a platonic level#Don't worry I aged the girls up and the boys down#But still this is a bit ridiculous#If you use the actors' ages it doesn't work. Garrison's actress is 16 years younger than Curtain. Why?#I mean I like the casting. But SQ is a teenager. We know Curtain has had his evil plans at least since SQ was born and lost his bio dad#and if the Whisperer is Garrison's invention that means she and Curtain were working together when SQ was born#If SQ in the show is 16 (the actor was older I believe) and Garrison is 37 (that's how old the actress is now she was younger at time)#That means Garrison was only 21 and Curtain was well into his 30s. And that's after you age SQ down and Garrison up for the calculations#So Garrison was likely (according to the shows' casting) even younger than that which begs the question what was Curtain doing?#Was he spending his 30s lurking around college campuses and high schools looking for a kid whose inventions he could steal?#What in the Marcus Cutter is that about?#All these jokes about Garrison being SQ's uninvolved divorced stepmom but nah she's really his estranged big sister#also this is very frustrating because the irl age gap between the actress who plays Number Two and Tony Hale only 7 years#but they're the ones for whom a 16 year age gap would have actually made sense because he adopts her in the books!#but now since Garrison is clearly so much younger than Number Two Curtain and Benedict I have to deal with this#(Don't worry I figured it out and made the age gaps normal. You just now have to believe Number Two is only a year older than Garrison)#It was the stress of living with her family that aged her and Garrison just looks naturally super young that's what we're going with.#And don't get me wrong:#I do like the actresses and actors they casted they're great but sometimes I google the ages and I'm like oh you cannot be serious#But we've (more or less) figured it out#Rant over#writing#writing struggles#tmbs
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How do I say, without coming across as a jaded miserable little bitch who likes raining on everybody's parade, that the PJO Disney plus adaption is nostalgia bait, in the same way that their live action remakes are
#it'll probably be good#it sounds like its gonna be a pretty faithful adaption#im not denying that#but#20-30 something year old you ARE being pandered to by the Walt Disney Corporation#its fine to be excited for it. just so long as we are all aware of whats happening#also we gotta stop acting like mr riordan is some underdog in this situation#hes written one of the most successful teen lit series of all time#and in disney's current quirky girl phase of grasping hold of anything that already has a following#of COURSE they snatched this shit up#''Percy Jackson. A Disneyplus original.''#do you have any idea just how much theyre salivating to have their name attached to this series?#(tbf the books were owned by disney too. but a streaming service makes their link to the franchise all the more evident)#anyway. maybe i sometimes get a little bitter when i think about all the original projects in production that were abruptly cancelled#usually because of the current fear to take risks and put something new into the world#and then i remember adaptions like are going ahead#there is no risk associated the pjo series. the first few books are relatively squeaky clean for a teenage audience#this is a comfortable direction for them to go in#''but but but theres gay people in it'' hush. disney is not afraid of captilizing on the gay experience#also im pretty sure the gay people dont show up until like. 8 books in#thats 8 seasons#can you imagine#''guys we need to keep giving this show our support so we can eventually get solanjello (or whatever its called)''#ooooh theyre quite evil. very interesting#even tho like. dont worry you'll get your gay people eventually. you'll get all your book adaptions. you'll get all those seasons.#this franchise is disneys new pet#you can smell it#the hype. the cast announcements. the promotion#LIN MANUEL MIRANDA???#theyre going to squeeze every last drop of engagement they can get out of it
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