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What's the difference between a fauxmani and a didicoy (re)connecting with their heritage? I tend to see them conflated and it's confusing.
i see them conflated too but the way i understand it is that fauxmani are gadje who claim romani culture while most of the time not taking the time to actually learn what it means to be roma, romani chib, our history with oppression/slavery/etc.
fauxmani i feel also tend to align themselves more with a caricature of roma, and not actual romani people and culture, mostly because they dont care enough about their supposed heritage to actually educate themselves on it and instead claim themselves as "gypsy" to feel special
didicoy on the other hand is more associated with the mixed roma who were raised gadjekane, who do not speak romani chib and dont have romanipen. whether a didicoy wants to reconnect or not is their choice but if they wish to do so then a good way to go about it is to first find romani activists, authors, scholars, etc. to listen to and read material from
the word didicoy can be used as an insult but i think neutralizing it and having it be associated with well meaning didicoy instead of fauxmani is a step in the right direction
but tldr: a fauxmani is a gadjo who claims to be roma for clout while misunderstanding and misrepresenting romani culture; didicoy actually have romani heritage and put work into understanding and learning from roma to better reconnect if they wish to
#roma#romani#rrumblr#didicoy#fauxmani#thank you for asking i love having discussions#and if anyone has their own opinion be sure to reply id love to see it
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Nobody cares what you have to say about women you fucking transvestite hack, Romanis don’t need another dumb fucking euro white knighting for us either. Go back to rotting that empty fucking brain of yours wasting your life on the computer while we actually try to get shit done.
tu phenes kaj tu san romano tha xramosares "romanis"?? big gadjo moment, why are you trying to act like one of us when you can't even speak romani chib or you don't seem to know that most roma live in europe (literally basic 101 stuff)
also noooo the white MRA is upset because the gypsy woman is writing words on the internet, what am I gonna do😟😟
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fake roma are so fucking funny like... you don't want to be in the romani community. i've been friends with fauxmani and they talk so much shit about "gatekeepers" and real roma. you literally want an ethnicity that is easy to fake and you want a space full of other fauxmani who will endlessly validate you. you don't actually want to be romani, you don't want to learn our language or customs beyond the ones that make you feel special (like wearing the dikhlo, tied wrongly, as an unmarried woman). you want there to be "romani names" you can call yourself and "romani recipes" you can make and you get soooo disappointed when you're told our cuisine is mostly family variations on balkan and turkish dishes. you don't get to cherrypick our culture, you're not reconnecting, you're a white gadjo who wants to claim an ethnicity other white americans know nothing about. real roma will always be able to tell you're a liar and that's why you avoid us like the plague. sorry to burst your bubble but you'll never fit in <3
#lav.txt#sorry this is needlessly rude but this girl is driving me crazy#doesn't even know her vitsa#she uses words from wikipedia#named herself some random noun from a “romani translator” online#romani#rroma#roma#rrumblr
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What is the difference between google integrating Romani to their Translate program and Romani linguists and authors publishing glossaries/dictionaries/texts/grammars on (their) Romani (dialect)? I'm asking because I can't articulate them beyond google is a multibillion company that doesn't collaborate with minority language speakers. I'm sorry that they're doing this to Romani people.
honestly that pretty much is the biggest difference and also the fact that Romani culture has been bastardized countless fucking times by gadje, even well meaning gadje (looking at gadje online getting into the "trend" of making comic characters "actually Romani" or having Romani OCs without doing more than just watching a handful of Florian's videos as their research (if even that))
also with a closed culture and language the sharing of that culture should only be done by the people in that culture. if a lone Romani linguist wants to write about the dialect they spoke with their family then that's totally fine, that's within their discretion to do so as a Romani person.
but if some gadjo working for Google raises his hand in a meeting going like "um what if we add Romani" without thinking twice about why we wouldn't want gadje knowing Romani, then it's a matter of forced exposure.
like you wouldn't want to just rip the dress off a woman without her consent to teach health class, you don't want to record a culture's language only to then present it to the entirety of Google's international userbase without any thought of the people that would use that information to further oppress Roma
when Florian uploaded a short first highlighting Google's plans to integrate Romani, I said in the comments that I totally saw fauxmani using the botched translations as a way to "pass" as Romani, but honestly I also seeing racists translating hate speech to target us directly, our words being translated without consent, police now having the ability to translate what we say, etc. like more harm will come from this than good because the world is still so antiziganist to this day
and that's why closed cultures should just be fucking respected and left alone. maybe we'd be more eager to share our stories and culture with a world that can fucking understand and respect boundaries, especially when those boundaries are built for our safety
#sorry for the ramble im just like#not just as a romni but also as a reconnecting didicoy this topic really hits me#i choose to remain on the border of the culture in a lot of ways because i dont want to feel entitled to a culture i was not raised in#but i also have immense love and respect for my people and want to be a help to them#yes it would make my reconnection seemingly easier if Romani was taught in school like Spanish#but i understand why its not and will defend the collective stance on gadje not being allowed to know Romani#not unless theyre marrying into a Romani family and are accepted by that family#thank you for asking tho and being respectful#i love talking about my people in respectful circumstances to people who genuinely want to learn
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are there any Romani followers/bloggers who can give insight into something?
i discovered my second great grandmother was a Polska Roma who immigrated from Hungary to the States to avoid persecution and find better opportunities. as a result, she had to abandon her culture (same with a Jewish ancestor of mine).
however, i've seen a lot of "fauxmani" who want to reconnect for the wrong reasons, and as a result, a lot of Romani people are rightfully skeptical of anyone wanting to reconnect despite not being raised in the culture.
so, i want to get input from Romani people about their thoughts on "reconnecting Roma" so that i don't end up embarking on something that will hurt anyone.
hello! do we have any roma/romani bloggers or followers who can help out this anon?
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Fauxmani: (n) A person who pretends to be Romani Gypsy. This meme has been circling around Facebook for a while. At first glance, one might think it is funny, it is not. There are a couple of reasons for that... An opinion piece (the opinion of the author may not be the opinion of all of the Twisted Phenya) At first glance, this meme seems to address the “boho” hippie festival going types... you know the ones, they feel Gypsy, think they can become Gypsy (they can not), or think they have a Gypsy soul (they do not).
These types often use our word without thinking about the fact that it describes an ethnic group (or they do it knowing full well and get mad and throw a tantrum when you call them out on it.) They’re usual responses range from: Well, I just don’t think it means that, or: but the dictionary says, or: I don’t care, you can’t tell me what to do/you don’t own the word, and various other similar responses.
If there’s one thing that nearly every Romani Gypsy can likely agree on, it is this: If you don’t have the blood, don’t call yourself Gypsy, and don’t name your shop “Gypsy Something or Other” or “Something or Other Gypsy”. It’s rude. But, that is an opinion piece for another day... back to the fauxmani.
This meme, while looking like it addresses boho festival types, is actually being used within the Romani Gypsy community as a way to bully other Romani Gypsies. The bullies are relentless, their reasons often based on lies or assumptions, as they tear down others -sometimes just because they don’t like them. The word fauxmani is being used in a toxic way within our community, in an attempt to completely negate the heritage and history of people with Romani Gypsy blood, to try to negate their Gypsy-ness.
I’m sorry, but that’s just not how bloodlines work. Enough of the divisiveness, enough of the petty, juvenile, playground mean girls. I say it is time to STAND UP to them, show them that we will not allow more people to be bullied, we will not allow ourselves to be bullied. Then, open our hearts to THEIR stories... because bullies aren’t created in a vacuum. Bullying is taught, it is learned. What happened to these people before they were bullies to create that kind of hate that settled deep inside their hearts? It’s time for them to open their hearts to love, to acceptance, and let it go. It’s time to heal our community as a whole. We’d be so much stronger that way. ~Zi
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So, a fauxmani walks into a bar in the ~mahala~...
... sits down at the bar and orders a drink. He turns to the Rom next to him and says, ”So, when did you find out you were Rromani?”
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this being together is so funny
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Me, thinking Oona Chaplin would be a good replacement to play Wanda: ( ◜‿◝ )♡
Random strangers: What's your vitsa? Nah, you're not Romani! Everyone, point at her and laugh! Tell me your entire family history! Haha, fauxmani!
Me: ????!!!!
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Oh, so I just dreamt my experience as a Roma woman in a anti-Roma country? Good to know I don't belong
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An open letter to the admins of a facebook group about Romani “education” who so kindly informed me that romanipen was “often misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic and promoting of rape culture” as well as some other -ics that I’m not even going to legitimize:
It finally happened. Romani discourse got me to delete my facebook. It wasn’t even the “fauxmani police” you guys constantly bemoan either, it was YOU.
First, hello. I am a transgender person. Sorry I didn’t herald this information with a huge banner on my profile pic or make dozens of tiktoks about it, but I am. There is a good chance I’ve been out and medically transitioning longer than you’ve known you had Roma heritage. But while we’re on the topic of allies attempting to educate people on their own marginalization like we don’t already know better than you ever will -
I believe the words used were “we need to adapt, or we will die”.........first off who is we? Roma got by for centuries without you. Without all of us. Nobody needs your advice. This may hurt your feelings, but people who are reconnecting to Romani culture for any reason need to remember their place within it. It doesn’t matter why any of us grew up outside the culture. The fact is that we DID, and if we’re not coming from a place of learning, we’re abusing the work done by the people responsible for everything we know about being Romani.
When people who were raised Romani ask you to keep traditions, it’s because they are the only truly tangible thing that connects us as a culture anymore. You also say repeatedly that we are not a monolith, and that’s quite true. Which is why nobody is asking you to keep every single tradition you know to be practiced by Romani. But refusing to listen to those in the culture who have gone out of their way to help you reconnect and learn? What do you want to get out of being Romani, exactly? Permission to put it in your bio on social media? An opportunity to condescend to people? Pretty scarves? Absolution of your white guilt? That’s called a costume.
As I mentioned previously, I’m a trans person. I was out to my Roma family and faced my share of rejection for it. Do you think I don’t know about conservative values within the culture? Do you really think I’m advocating for excommunication or repression when I suggest you should hold some traditions? Or did it really not occur to you that maybe I was referring to the way you wash your dishes or something equally innocuous?
Where the hell do you get off being raised English and criticizing Romani who are mistrustful of outsiders, exactly? Why does this continually need to be explained to you? Why do you think centuries of violent history magically don’t apply to you just because you have heritage? Why do you think there’s something about you that distinguishes you from anyone who could be lying about even having heritage at all? There’s not a radar and none of us are special. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. It’s not fair, but it’s the truth.
And don’t bring me more shit about your therapists and behaviors and thriving. I don’t care, and the argument doesn’t do what you think it does. You know there are laws right now that affect our people worldwide. Your therapists don’t know how many lashes you took for speaking Romanes. You have not BEEN HERE for the centuries of slaughter. You don’t have a right to criticize certain behaviors. You look like the xenophobe. Don’t even attempt to discuss anti-lgbtq+, sexist or xenophobic ideals within romanipen unless you plan to immediately follow up with the fact that colonialism and white supremacy were what injected them there in the first place. Then take a look at your role as a white settler within your own country and ask yourself if you should really be throwing stones.
Those of us reconnecting have very limited tools for education, and the ones we possess came to us through extreme risk for the ones that left them to us. They sacrificed time and safety so we could learn. They faced potential expulsion for the sake of educating us. Where is your respect for that effort? Where is the acknowledgement that everything we know about our Romani selves we know because of them? Telling people “I’m Romani” and comparing ourselves to photos of women on google doesn’t do a fucking thing for them or the culture.
Like, go to fucking college. Congregate with unmarried men on your period. Go be fucking gay. Shave your head and wear pants and literally do whatever but quit trashing the entire concept of upholding any semblance of Romani tradition as a points system that you are losing or some anti-individuality steamroller. Act remotely grateful that Roma put themselves at risk to teach you anything at all. Accept that you have learning to do.
Y’all can interact with this however you want but don’t expect a response. I don’t feel like hearing your side yet again about all your disadvantages when you actively ignore those of others to excuse your lack of willingness to fall back and listen. I just didn’t feel like making a whole new facebook account and applying to your group just to get this off my chest. I’m willing to be the bad guy if it means you start listening to people who have lived experience in something you’re interested in ✌️
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ive noticed a lot of twitter wendy stans like to racefake, for some reason, there seems to be a new fauxmani every other week, theyll say things like "gypsy isnt a slur", proclaim their love for wendy/olsen, and then when actual roma ask them what their vitsa is they deactivate or private their twitter
@nacht-nightingale @soledadmiranda You guys said it, not me! I’ve been trying to just sit here and eat my food! Even though I’ve always tried to be very transparent and upfront about who I am-- a 2nd-gen American of Cale gitano descent-- I know that people have made similar racefaking assumptions about me so I try to just hold my tongue.
Somebody in my position really has no business policing other people’s identities, but I have noticed these patterns and I do find it suspicious. I have always felt that, if I want to stand in my Roma identity, I am obligated to do all that I can to learn from Roma scholars and activists so that I can be the best ally and advocate I am able, in the spaces that I occupy.
Maybe everyone on Marvel Twitter is telling the truth and they all have a gypsy grandma or whatever, but if that’s the case, they’re failing themselves and they’re failing their community. I’ve learned that opinions on pop culture representation do vary amongst Roma, and I’ve learned to respect those differences. At the end of the day, though, these people are just defending racism and giving gadje a pass to remain willfully ignorant. It’s a flop, girl.
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this is a safe place for rromani, dom, lom, and didicoy regardless of romanipen, gender, sexuality, ability, color, nationality, etc.
youre not welcome if youre fauxmani, antitziganist, homphobic/transphobic, or misogynistic
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#btw yes im roma and i wasn't aware it was diff dialect that's just the words i've always heard here in the uk
lmao what did i tell y’all
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really don't understand why you list romani and travellers together. travellers are gadje. they are white people who hate paying taxes. they have literally nothing to do with romani, face no oppression that is not of their own choosing, and by conflating the two you only harm us. very tired of british white people discovering their great grandma owned a caravan and deciding this makes them the mouthpiece for everyone else. if you haven't been stateless you are essentially the rom version of an onlyfans middleclass girl selling feet pics and making herself the centre of the "sex work" convo.
i list romani together with travellers because "gypsy, roma and traveller" is the UK census category, so it's difficult to find government data that seperates them. i don't think roma and travellers should be conflated because the communities have such different needs, although there is cultural overlap between romanichal and other UK travellers, that same overlap doesn't exist with eastern european roma in the UK. i post about both eastern European roma and issues affecting travellers in the UK (romanichal and irish travellers, i agree with you about white english travellers lmao). i'm sorry if my posts implied that i was grouping them together, it's only for the purpose of quoting statistics. also my dad lives in a caravan and is undocumented don't try to pull the fauxmani shit on me I'll uno reverse card you!!
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fauxmani honestly do nothing but hurt rroma and didicoy, especially didicoy without romanipen who want to reconnect
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Whether you’ve known about your Romani Gypsy heritage all your life, or found out after a deep dive into your DNA and/or Family tree, you’ve likely encountered some of these Romatrolls, Gatekeepers who seek to bully, shun and even dox others they deem “not Gypsy enough” or “fauxmani”. You may be tempted to engage them... surely it makes your passionate Gypsy blood boil when someone tries to tell you who you are... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! However, engaging them is NOT the answer... why? It won’t matter.
Gatekeepers will always move the goalpost again and again in an attempt to forever exclude. Your best bet? BLOCK THEIR KUSH BULYA! When you engage you only add fuel to their yag, bullies like this thrive on these responses. If you block and do not engage, eventually they will run out of gas. Sure, they’ll go pick on someone else, but eventually, if EVERYONE just blocks them and doesn’t put up with their djank, THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT FOR THEM TO BULLY.
Be part of the solution. Do.Not.Engage.the.Romatrolls.
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