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"The son of an artisan my mother knew. He was soft. Sweet. For a moment, I think I convinced myself I could be normal, like everyone else. I'm glad I grew out of it."
Tanlorin's reaction when you take them to Alinor.
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Having been wowed by your fanfic ("wandering inside this night" holds a special place in my RO heart), I'm curious: what is your writing/editing process like?
Oh, thank you!
My writing process really varies depending on what Iām doing, but I can explain it in terms of wandering inside this night.
Itās long and rambly, so you can scroll down for a very concise tl;dr version of The Process.
1. Eureka!
I pretty much always start out with 1) a vague sense of something I want to write about, and I sort of mentally fish around until I land on an idea, or 2) an idea pops into my head, or 3) some combination of both.
The last two are the most common for meāI have more ideas than I could ever write. With wandering, it was definitely that way.Ā
I was hollering into my tags about the Cassian-Leia parallels pretty early, which ā¦ Jyn-Han is obvious, but I felt like the Cassian-Leia ones went relatively unnoticed but were probably more profound. And as spies in the ragtag ANH-era Rebellion, itās more than possible that theyād know each other; Iād made babbling posts, but I really wanted to do something with it. So I sketched out a backstory in until the last chance is spent, but I still wanted more, and also to get into Han-Jyn at the same time, and also justāhave something fun! And suddenly (I was actually at a Trans-Siberian Orchestra concert, lol) the idea popped into my head of jumping to the Han/Leia meltdown of 1980 with established relationship Jyn/Cassian.
2. Percolation
This is particularly important for longer fic (or any long-form writing, really), but it helps with shorter things, too. Itās where youāre not actively working to figure out details or more ideas, much less writing, just passively letting your mind wander. Itās best if youāre actually doing something elseāsomething that doesnāt take much attention, but enough that you canāt completely focus on your thoughts, like showering or washing dishes or something.
When something does come to mind, I scribble it down (or stick it in a doc in some form that will hopefully make sense to me later). Sometimes itāll be scraps of dialogue, or a phrase I want to make sure gets in somewhere, or a plot-point, just anything that pops up. Ideally, though, I donāt write anything beyond thatājust note down anything I might forget and let my ideas develop freely.Ā
Normally, Iād only do so much of that with something like wanderingĀ (fairly short, fairly light). But I ended up snowed in with my extended family, where I was both bored and unable to sit down and write. So Iām sitting there entertaining myself by imagining Jyn and Han, drinking buddies, and how thatād work with the Cassian-Leia brotp of ruthless idealism (Han would be jealous!), and just having that percolating in my head while I read fic and let stray thoughts pass through my mind. (āOkay but Cassian would fucking hate Hanā being uppermost among them, lol)
3. Brainstorming/Outline
At this point, I try to pin down the free-floating ideas and/or organize what scraps I have into something coherent. With something longer, like ad astra, I generally do a pretty traditional outlineādecide what the story is specifically going to cover, and where the things Iāve actually written fit with that, and whatās going to go in the spaces between.
Itās not classroom-style brainstorming; I usually brainstorm ideas by trying to put together an outline. Iāll be āokay, I want to start with something like that shot of Jyn on the platform with an Imperial ship at the end, but itās Bodhiā and āthey get sucked into the Death Star and Jyn exploits Cassianās injuries to get inā and then I sit down and figure out how Iām going to get from one to the other.Ā āOkay, soāthereās no way they can actually get Kaytoo, but maybe somethingāyeah, she just up and grabs his dismembered head l o l, okay, and thereās the jump into the ship which rattles Cassian further, and sheād try to treat him with whatever supplies are available, and weād have Bodhi trying to get out without being shot down, and maybe I can work in the your father would have been proud of you line, and Jyn goes to check on Bodhi and they see the Death Star andā¦ā
Also, it helps a ton to actually talk ideas over with someone else. With me, itās generally @steinbecksāānot some strictĀ āthis, then this, then this, tell me what you thinkā, butĀ āI had this ideaā and āOK BUT IMAGINE IFā and āhaha yeah exactlyā andĀ āshit youāre right they do change outfitsā etc.Ā
4) Drafting (The Big One)
Ideally, I only get to this after nailing down an outline or at least getting a lot figured out in chats/notes to myself. Thatās what I did for pretty much all my most successful longficsāFirst Impressions (f!Darcy/m!Elizabeth), Season of Courtship (Darcy and Elizabethās engagement), we get dark, only to shine (AU of The Borgias that moves the canon pairing getting together from S3 to S1), and now ad astra. It helps a TON if you have trouble with discipline and direction, as I do, because you can always go back to it and figure out where you need to be headed when youāre muddled/uninspired, even if some details change along the way. (They always do, for me.)
I did some of that with wandering, but ā¦ I was snowed-in, lol, and finally everyone had gone to sleep and my head was full of ideas. So I laid down with my laptop and just dove right in with the only clear line I had in mind:Ā
Han Solo once had apleasant conversation with Cassian Andor.
Just once.
That was where I planned it to begin! The actual beginning came later, because I very quickly ran into a problemāthe sentence worked to jump into exposition, not an actual scene. And with the exposition, I needed to introduceĀ 1) Cassianās hatred of Han, 2) Hanās lesser but firm dislike, 3) Cassian and Leiaās history together as spies, 4) Hanās brief and half-hearted attempt to suck up, 5) Jyn and Cassian being married, 6) Hanās friendship with Jyn, 7) Hanās jealousy as contrasted to Cassian and Jynās mutual trust, etc. Yikes.
So I kept getting mired down in explanations and flashbacks (I actually wrote the scene where Jyn drunkenly complains about finding something for Cassianās birthday, lol) that slowed it down. And I wasnāt really happy with anythingāI constantly niggled at sentences and moved things around and rephrased and it just didnāt work right. I actually have the document I worked in (I didnāt have Internet at the time), so you can see this sort of intermediate stage:
I niggled with it for the rest of the vacation, then it hit me that the issue was that starting a fic with exposition was the real problem. Starting with ESB-era Han just being ESB-era Han could let me work the exposition section in, and without the pressure of it being the opening section I could keep it to a tangential aside and move the jealousy around and so forth. And from there I could just leap to the canon scene with bonus Cassian-Leia shared indignation, and impulsively I added Kaytoo at the end.Ā
Moral of the story: if you keep trying to make something work and it just wonāt, thereās probably something deeper going on. Take a step back and figure out why itās not working, and often youāll be able to correct course. Once I tacked in that littleĀ āHan sulksā section at the beginning, it all fell together easily.Ā
5) Revising!
You can probably guess from #4 that I do a lot of this as I write rather than after I write. Thatās true, to an extent.
It can be a very ā¦ I wouldnāt say discouraging, but sluggish way to write, because you end up struggling over phrases you might not even keep in the end. I genuinely think itās best to at least try to restrain the impulse to polish everything, but at the same time, there are some of us who genuinely canāt keep going if the current section isnāt working (again, see #4!). So I allow myself a certain amount of freedom in polishing-as-I-go, while restraining the impulse to do anything more substantial. The single best way of doing this is sprintingāwriting in short, timed bursts with little to no editing, ideally with a partner that you check in with. (Again, I generally do this with @steinbecksā.)
However, even if you edit as you go and turn out pretty clean drafts, you should still revise at the end. What I generally do is, first of all, just quickly re-read. The writing process is a lot slower than the reading one, and itās easy to get so focused on particular passages or sections that you lose sight of how itās working as a whole. So that quick read-through is a way to back up and see how itās holding together. Itās best if you give yourself a break before you do thisāa day or two at least, to get your mind out of the writing mode and look at it with relatively fresh eyes.Ā
(I will say that I almost never wait. But I doĀ pretty much always end up editing chapters yet again in the first couple of days after Iāve posted them. Sometimes itās contuinity, sometimes a passage that isnāt working quite the way I thought, whatever. Thereās always something. Itās why the chapters I post at Dreamwidth are generally cleaner than the ones at Tumblr, which are cleaner than the first versions posted at AO3.)
However you do that read-through, the most important for me is the next one. At this point, I read the whole fic/chapter/essay/whatever from start to finishāout loud. In fact, if itās possible, Iāll do a full-on dramatic reading. By reading aloud, you can catch things like typos that your mind silently corrects for your eyes, but also itās easier to notice sentence-level problems like repeated words/phrases and unvaried sentence structure. If something makes me cringe when I read it aloud, I cut it or rewrite. If saying it aloud makes it sound wrong for the character, it probably is wrong for the character. Sometimes I do the dramatic reading revision two or three times.
And then I either post or print!
The short version:
1) I get an idea, 2) I let the ideas develop without thinking too hard about them, 3) I nail down and think up specific ideas, mostly through chat and/or outlines, 4) I plow through a draft, rearranging/adding material if things just arenāt working, and 5) I revise, once with a quick re-read of the whole thing, and then again by slowly reading it aloud to myself to catch problems with (primarily) mechanics, voice, and word choice.
#faithfullyfalse#respuestas#nice things people say to me#fic talk#esb au#words about words#thank you for this!#in my other life i've taught writing so this was like SING THE SONG OF MY PEOPLE
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