#dwampyverse fan-theory

[spc-rambles]

To any Dwampyverse fan who’ve been in this fandom since the early days, like 2007-2012, tell me some stories about your earliest experiences.

It could be theories you had about the ending for ‘Across the 2nd Dimension’ or times you found your version of certain events better than the canon version that came after. Maybe Comic Con panels you attended or even initial reactions to P&F series 4 episodes when they first premiered?

I’d love to hear anything.

[milo-murphys-law-fandom-squad]

I’m back, and I’ve got another MML theory here. In The Phineas and Ferb Effect, I think Doof may have unwittingly saved the day. And I don’t just mean the soda-idea or calling in Professor Time. Remember how he botched the plan to ambush Derek (the intern). The plan was to catch Derek by surprise. The problem is that he had henchmen; more than there were heroes. Plus, they didn’t have a surefire weapon (that they knew of). Even if they defeated him, another would’ve taken his place. (Next)

Worst-case-scenario, they’d have lost. All the other masked “staff” would’ve taken them by surprise, as well. So yeah, Doof wrecking the plan might have prevented a suicide mission in the end. What do you all think?

Hello! I'm assuming this is Gdog90 from Deviantart?

Accidentally saving the day is a thing Dr. D. does so this seems in-character for him.

I think it's a solid theory.

-Kat

[woulddieforperrytheplatypus]

Dan Povenmire, co-creator of Phineas and Ferb and the voice of Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz, just did a zoom call for fans, and this is a link to it on Google Drive and a link to it on YouTube.

Here’s a brief overlay brought to you by my incessant live blogging, and because I was speed typing on my phone, I can guarantee not everything made the cut. If you’re interested in hearing Dan talk about growing up an artist and becoming an animator and trying to pitch Phineas and Ferb and working on the show and movies, I would definitely suggest checking out the full 75 minute video. The highlights from the call are below the cut.

They added Doof and Perry because they liked chase scenes. They realized fairly quickly that more than not, the pair led to good comedy, and found it much more interesting to see how their relationship developed. He also says that they are "the most important person to each other” and “they’re really good friends.”

They wrote the Perry theme song in an hour between meetings with Disney

They decided during the pilot that they weren't going to try to get comedy from the characters saying mean things to each other. Even Doofenshmirtz wasn't motivated by evil, he just wanted to get the attention he didn't get at home.

Doof’s backstories were not Dan and Swampy's idea. They were from Jon Barry and Chris Hendrick, who [itched the lawn gnome backstory. It was long and compliated and Dan and Swampy couldn’t stop laughing. They also provided the "it all started on the day of my birth” one the next day.

making the 2D movie while making the movie was the busiest Dan says he has ever been, and that's not even counting the PnF Take Two and Doof's web show and all the interviews. Basically, 2010ish was a very busy time in the Dwampyverse.

They decided to give each pair of writers their own section of an outline to work on, and each pair got to make up the dialogue and jokes based on it. it works well for the show, but writers kept going on their own tangents and the movie ended up like 6 hours long. Dan and Kyle Menke had to redraw 80% of the show because they had to cut gags out and rewrite it so it was still funny. Note: in the new movie, they did the opposite — they wrote a script and told the board artists that they could put brief gags in but nothing too long

He thinks the show became one of the most beloved shows bc it was innocent and the adult humor wasn't dirty so the whole family could watch it together. He also said the songs at the closest thing you get to immortality in a show. Those combined made the show as big of a hit as it was, and hopefully those things will get older people to watch the movie.

His advice if you want to follow in his footsteps are to draw (and suggest you check out Cartoon Animation by Preston Blaire and How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way by Stan Lee) and to know that these jobs are out there

One of his favorite gags in PnF are the silent moments where something big happens and no one reacts (like something big fell in an early episode and crashed next to Phineas and co and at first they were all shocked but Dan changed it to them just kinda looking at it for a moment with no emotion)

Q: Did you ever want to quit what you were going?

A: "I don't really... do... anything else..."

He finished his new pilot today (July 2nd, 2020) and the movie is due tomorrow.

He would love to do more PnF and there's been talks of another PnF movie

He would love to do more Milo Murphy's Law, but it never got huge ratings and Disney's not too big on it but if people start watching it on Disney+ they might get to keep doing it. They did that with Family Guy, and it could happen to MML too.

The movie feels like old Phineas and Ferb and there are a lot of great songs! 

And now, the Q&A (in which he draws random characters are he talks)

How was the process of kicking the voices?

It was sometime easy but sometimes very difficult. For Phineas, they listened to maybe a thousand people. they actually recorded someone but they put it to animation and it didn't really work. He knew as soon as he heard Vincent that he loved him. They literally recasted the lead (Vincent) the day before they had to deliver the pilot.

He knew immediately that he liked Alison Stoner. She was the second Isabella he heard, and he listened to maybe 50 others afterwards, but he knew he wanted Alison Stoner

They decided on a different Candace and they sent it to the head of the channel and the guy asked if he heard Ashley Tisdale. He told Dan to have her come in and give her direction and Dan was hesitant bc he had one that he liked but he was lowkey forced to bring her in. It was his only audition that day, and after his big block of text Dan gave her like 20 notes and she wrote the notes on the big block of text and she did it again and it was perfect and obviously Candace (but he feels bad for the actress that was almost Candace bc she'll never know how close she was)

What was the most impactful episode you worked on?

Either the last (hard to watch w/o crying) or three moments that made himcey while doing them: the end of Summer Belongs To You when Phineas gives up trying to get off the island and decides to watch the sunset with Isabella which was what she always wanted and she exploded and talked him back up onto being the person he is even tho it's a sacrifice on her behalf. He later says he started crying while pitching to his wife the AYA scene of Phinabella getting together.

Do you regret any episodes?

There are some he likes more and some he likes less but he doesn't regret any of them. He was a little disappointed in an early episode without a sing but he watched it alter and decided it was actually pretty decent. None of them make him cringe or wonder why they did that.

How has social media impacted PnF?

He recently got on TikTok and found out that's where all the PnF fans are. He was thrilled to see the response everything was getting and it made him feel good about everything he accomplished. The fact that this generation knows what an aglet is is his biggest accomplishment in pop culture.

Favorite part of working on the show/movie

He likes editing, but writing the songs is the most fun bc it feels the least like work

Who is Ferb's mom?

Never established or really thought about Ferb's mom or Phineas's dad AND IT'S NOT DOOFENSHMIRTZ THEY MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT TO BE TRUE STOP ASKING and Phineas and Candace are full brother and sister. The bio parents aren't interesting to them bc the family already has a mom and dad and the other ones are just out of the picture and not important.

Will there be a new character in the movie?

Super Super Big Doctor (and Disney keeps telling him what he can and can't talk about)

Are there any secrets or theories that he can tell them?

The freaking creepy pasta about schitzophrenic Candace IS NOT TRUE Phineas and Ferb do exist and are alive. There's also a theory that Candace is not based on the diary of a teen girl in Russia who killed herself, and that's not true either. He genuinely thinks they are really freaking stupid theories and they make no sense at all.

Who is your favorite guest star?

Writing a song with Slash from Guns n Roses was really cool. He also liked working with Ben Stiller, Christian Slater the delivery guy (he called and said he'd do any part in MML so they wrote him a role), Jack McBrayer (Irving/Fix It Felix), Wayne Brady (co-wrote In The Empire)

What is the motivation of Candace to bust the boys?

He's not trying to hurt them. She doesn't dislike them. She gets irritated but she's really just looking for fairness. If she built a rollercoaster in the backyard, she'd get in trouble, so they should get in trouble, too.

How did you think about hot to end the show?

Disney was starting to cool off on PnF. The merch wave had plateaued. Dan and Swampy had the next two years in the show already made, but Disney wouldn't pick up another season until they finished airing that season. They'd have to restaff for a new season and they didn't like that idea, so they turned one of their hour long specials into the finale. He wanted to be able to say goodbye and thank the fans.

[galaxina-the-pyro]

I’m Just Gonna Put This Phineas and Ferb Theory Here

Me: Hey guys! Wanna hear another Phineas and Ferb Theory? Everyone: No.

Me: It’s about Doofenshmirtz~.

Everyone: NO!

Me:..screw you guys, I’m gonna do it anyway.

So Doof's parents: they are, pardon my french, assholes. Without question they are in fact the worst characters in the show (though that's not really fact but opinion, I’m sure you all agree). They are the very reason why Doof has so many problems dealing with literally everything, though he's a very talented inventor (even to Phineas and Ferb's levels or even beyond [though that’s definitely a stretch] - Phineas and Ferb have fixed a time machine, and it's been confirmed that Doof actually BUILDS one and is the inventor of time travel) and an awesome father to boot.

But WHY do his parents hate him so much?

Because they're dicks effected by the social laws of their people? That's a given.

Because they favor Roger? That's more of a symptom than a reason; why do they treat ROGER any differently than they do Heinz if that were the case?

Because Doof's appearance isn’t appealing? Possibly, but I feel like that's more of an excuse than a reason, though granted these things usually happen for petty reasons in a show like PnF.

Because Doof wasn't a girl? The fact that they force him to wear dresses and such indicates that his parents were disappointed in his gender - why else would they force him to wear dresses and not Roger, who is also a boy (also, notice that their mother had made clothes that fit kid Doof perfectly; far too big for a baby to wear, and he had to wear this stuff for years, meaning that their mother MUST have made them for Doof and NOT Roger. Heinz was most likely LIED TO.). But that’s a conspiracy theory all on its own that I’ll probably rave to you later in life.

Of all these answers I feel like they're only part of the real issue: an issue that really isn't Doof's fault, but actually makes sense to be real. In "Raging Bully", we learn a very interesting detail about him that none of the fans ever really think hard about:

His parents never showed up to his birth.

And this is actually something that comes up again a couple times in the series. In fact, it’s likely one of his more iconic backstories, right under the time he was raised by Ocelots, Balooney, and of course when he was being used as a Lawn Gnome.

Now, most kids my age would’ve probably just shrugged it off; I was not most kids. The moment I heard this as a ten year old, I was consumed with utter confusion. I could not forget about this even if I wanted to. This had been on my mind for years, popping in once in a while - if I was doing homework, going to work, hanging out with friends, talking to family, it would rear it's ugly head in the back of my mind.

In short, it BOTHERED me.

Because a lot of jokes in PnF indicate that the stork is most definitely NOT the way kids are brought into the world; they're brought in naturally. So it's just not possible for neither of Doof's parents not to have shown up to his birth; his mother had to have been there.

And then, one day, it dawned on me. It had to be something so ridiculous, so crazy, so blatantly insane that it had to be true: the only way for Doof to have been born without both of his parents being there is if someone ELSE brought him into the world. Doof had to have had ANOTHER mother.

I'm not talking adoption here, that'd be ridiculous and pushing it way too far, considering his parents obviously never wanted him in the first place (at least that’s what’s “implied”). Not to mention his grandfather Hose Doofenshmirtz looks exactly like him but with darker skin and a mustache. What I'm saying is that Doof's dad "did it" with another woman who must've had Heinz.

...Wow, this got awkward fast.

"But [insert name here]," you say, "If that's true, then where was the mom? There wasn't anyone in that hospital bed when he was born."

That's...where this story takes an even darker turn.

See, the way I see it, is that Doof's real mom is...gone. Died right after he was born. He never gets to meet her, and it's likely that he never gets to learn the truth either.

And THAT is why his parents hate him: because Heinz is not, and never will be, entirely theirs, and that he's a constant reminder of his father's most cruelest blunder.

End. Scene.

(Or you could just take this as the omnipresent humor that exists in the Dwampyverse instead of a really depressing reality that likely DOES NOT exist in the Dwampyverse because this is likely just a conspiracy theory, you know, whatever floats your boat.)

[milo-murphys-law-fandom-squad]

So, you all know how it was stated that Isabella doesn’t have eyebrows (which she’s sensitive about)? Yet, we see her with them around Season 3. My headcanon is that she started drawing eyebrows on herself during that Summer. Furthermore, the only time having no eyebrows didn’t bother her was as a plant because Pistachions don’t seem to get those until they reach Derek and King Pistachion’s ages. - Gdog90

No, I was not familiar with that. What?

Also yeah, drawing them on makes sense.

-Kat