#as if this isn't the healthiest and the most loving family that I've seen in all of fiction and reality too

[iwasbored777]

In Despicable Me 4 trailer Gru was spending time with Margo while Lucy was at the supermarket with Agnes and Edith when someone (I assume an enemy) started chasing them. I saw a lot of comments that suggest that Lucy and Gru won't love the girls anymore now that they have their biological baby. Meanwhile they're spending time with them just the same lol

[pareidolla]

hi!! holds up hand. in a more ideal situation (interpret that how you wish, maybe liike in the leaving together ending?) who do you think would broken have the healthiest relationsip with? both other voices and vessels.

oh, what a fun little question! upon reread i realize you might've meant a romantic relationship but i wrote this with mostly friendships in mind. however, i literally adore every broken pairing so i suppose this could still be read either way ♡

might be a little unexpected, but i imagine for 1-on-1 settings that broken would be hanging out with cheated most of time. ironically, where broken's bitterness tends to be ignored, cheated is way more friendly than people give him credit for.

broken frequently laments he's never been listened to, but cheated actually does listen to him! when you choose to surrender in the arms race, the other voices are against it, but cheated says it's worth a shot, and he's never harsh when speaking to him like the others. out of everyone he'd probably understand why broken has completely given up, and that he has good intentions despite. i can only think he'd be upset if forced into the apotheosis route (blacktabbygames on my hands and knees, please please please-), but most of his rage would be directed at the princess for rigging the game than anything the voices did.

i imagine cheated probably gently urges them to hang out together if broken's up for it. they'd do little activites like cleaning the church together, board games, sitting quietly as the rain falls, going out on a little rowboat on the lake to do some fishing and accepting their bad luck when it inevitably capsizes. divorced dad energy as i've seen someone say.

oh! as a bonus, for my own voices, chichi always huddles broken into his coat or offers it whenever it gets crowded since he knows broken doesn't do well with being looked at + broken reminds him of his family (flinching) :3c

hmm, as for the other voices, i think broken would have a nicest friendship with smitten and paranoid but they'd tend to clash more. which isn't a bad thing! smitten would definitely go overboard trying to cheer broken up and make him feel a little uneasy, while broken would undoubtedly assert that they are not destined lovers on equal footing with the princess, but i think they would still enjoy each other's company despite their differences. guys hated for their swag (unapologetically killing tlq).

paranoid meanwhile i think of as an exasperated mother hen. he wouldn't be overtly friendly like smitten or cheated but the first to check him over for any harm. have you eaten today? did you shower? you're making gloomy expression again, what are you thinking about? we need to go shopping later, your clothes are all ragged- and other clucking. the two are always pushing and pulling against eachother but i think of para as his closest friend because of it. tough love, baby!

as for the vessels⸻

WOUNDED WILD. ITS WOUNDED WILD AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.

(they make so violent. congratulations brokewild for inventing heterophobia 🎉)

i sometimes see posts where opportunist is jealous of witch/thorn and i think we should give tower the same treatment. her weird ass should stay grumbling by her temple's window as she watches broken and his friend clumsily dance in the garden. literally the virgin vs chad meme with these two.

i like to think in an au where they're seperate from shifting quiet that beast-wild would struggle with her personhood, and perhaps try seeking forgiveness from a deity since she can't forgive herself. she meets broken and they become sad little kindred spirits found whispering excitedly in the backpew.

and last but not least damsel! dambroken are quite similar characters in the sense they're both highly subservient to their lovers to the point of figuratively becoming nothing, so i always think of their interactions as the "and so, they were both bottoms" meme.

i actually think they'd actually clash a bit upon meeting. damsel's heart would break seeing her husband in such a sad state (in her mind everyone is just collectively married), and broken would probably be a little offput by how submissive she is despite being a princess. he'd get flustered if she tried to help him cook or clean and send her away, and outside the door you can see her mind kicking into overdrive trying to figure out how she's expected to make him happy if she can't do anything.

and maybe finally they'd have a quiet bonding moment where they sit and talk about their time in the construct. killing your lover and allowing your lover kill you seriously would have messed them up, and sharing pain with another lessens it. atleast a little.

tl;dr i love them your honor

[kasururigoth]

Your thoughts on Shizuo as Kasuka's brother?

hiiiii so first of all thanks for asking because i've been dying to talk about this Second forgive me if my rambling becomes a bit nonsensical or hard to understand, language barrier + brain worms sometimes make it hard to get the right words out of my brain, THIRD OF ALL i'm going to talk about sibling dynamics while having NO firsthand experience on the subject because i'm a chronical only child, with that said:

to analyze the heiwajima brothers dynamic i'm first going to analyze them as a pair rather than individuals because i feel that they are both a perfect example on how trauma affects people differently depending on their already set dynamics (meaning how shizuo is the oldest and kasuka the youngest, and the personality traits they have pre and post The Refrigerator Incident)

it is almost ironic how they don't match the already set stereotypes of sibling dynamics (how, for example, older siblings are associated with responsibility and stability and the younger tend to be the more rebellious and temperamental). this twist is what makes shizuo feel like he hasn't played his role as an older brother the right way, because kasuka is the responsible one and the stable one (in some way, at least)

he feels guilty for the way kasuka has turned out (even if it worked out for him at the end: meaning, he still has a career, he's still cared for and loved by fans, regardless of his personality). it's sad because it isn't shizuo's fault, at least not entirely, how much violence kasuka had to witness, how much rage he had to see from a very young age. they were both young, they were both children when this all happened, it was inevitable.

they both take complete opposite and equally extreme ways of coping with this. shizuo lets all his rage out, even if it breaks his entire body, because there's no point in holding it all in (at the end, he'll come out stronger), while kasuka holds down his feelings to the point he becomes devoid of them, because he has seen what they have done to his brother. they are two sides of the same coin, two different results of the same conditions (this is a big part of why i feel like their polarities also mirror the kururi and mairu dynamic). kasuka sort of took on the role of a glass child because of this, willingly maybe, maybe not. he does say that he consciously chose to turn out his emotions for the sake of not becoming like shizuo. This also makes me wonder how implicated where their parents in this whole situation like??? where were they that entire time?? shizuo mentions his family was normal and neither of them show to have a complicated relationship with them, but still i have to wonder.

i think that shizuo would break if he ever knew how inhuman kasuka feels too, they share that at least. do you think shizuo ever misses the moments he and his brother laughed together? cried together? wow this got sad, im going to change the subject.

some of the moments that i LOVE to see are how happy shizuo gets when kasuka needs help from him because he gets to be the big brother!! at last!! he goes out of his way to help him when he is in trouble or danger in both stalker incidents (world at peace OVA and Adabashi arc), and it makes me laugh how he goes berserk the moment someone mentions his brother in a tone that might be even slightly negative.

also i want to mention these three exchanges from the eight novel specifically

they are the world's most Brothers ever... they literally understand each other to a different level AHHHHHH IM GOING TO BE SICK

like, everything that could go wrong with them went wrong, they are both fucked up but at the end of the day it literally works out for them!! they have the healthiest sibling dynamic on the entire show compared to the rest and that says a lot by itself. Sure i know shizuo feels guilty for everything but knowing his little brother is doing fine brings him peace of mind. Love that one scene (episode six of the first season i think??) where celty tells shizuo that he must really love his brother. they are going to make me end it all i swear to god.

shizuo is aware that he screwed up over and over again but at the end of the day they still have each other's backs regardless of everything that went through :') i wished we had the chance to see more of them post-ketsu buuuut well maybe i'm asking too much narita clearly doesn't care about kasuka enough 😭 this got very long, i hope i gave an almost complete answer, i could certainly talk about this subject for hours on end. thank u for asking !!

little heiwajimas for u

[yoyoyo-idk]

ive only ever posted jokes about ssscrh but i really care about the angst potential. the duality of someone who only writes angst and crack, i guess.

like, when bae huryeong explains that kim gongja is just a kid, that he doesn't even know what love is. it's true, isn't it? and it'll only get worse.

he has no family, someone murdered him, and after getting that skill he was in a state of mind that made him capable of killing himself over and over and over and over again. either he has the worst coping mechanism i've ever seen or he's traumatised that badly. (like, at some point he explains that he actually had to kill himself a few more times than necessary because sometimes he'd take too much time because he was shaking or because it took him a while to figure out how to quickly do the deed and like.... that's both the most normal and most messed up thing you've said)

and if he were that isolated before, think about it now. sure he has That with Raviel (i love what he has with Raviel! it's probably not the healthiest however) and i don't think it'll end well. ill wait for the story to prove me wrong tho

but just... he dies. he dies again and again and again and he doesn't care. he's not the only mc out there with the power to come back from the dead but he's the only one using it so actively (common, even kim dokja isn't that bad /j). how do you create deep bonds like that? whatever relationships he has with people just... fade out. we as the readers experience it too, don't we? mixing up timelines (lives?) forgetting that, oh right we were close to that guy (it doesn't matter, he doesn't remember), having to repeat the same thing again and again and getting bored of it? all of it blending together.

and even if someone is close to him, it stagnates. someone who might express concern at seeing him not dodge a hit, at seeing him get hurt, only does so the ten, hundred first times. there's no cause for concern after that.

there's bae huryeong, and GOD that man is doing everything he can. and i love him for it, but is that enough? there's no one to support him, no one to know other than a parental figure ghost.

kim gongja dies and dies and dies and always comes back. that's his skill. that's the story. what will happen when dying and re-starting the day becomes easier than dodging and continuing?

[northadawn]

NorthaDawn's Feb 2024 Update

Hello everyone, NorthaDawn here, and it's February here, I hope that your 2024 has been going great so far! Mine has been decent so far, and I wanted to write this important journal to give you some in-depth news into the latest happenings that I've been doing that I feel all of you deserve to know about!

1) PERSONAL HAPPENINGS

I'll get the elephant in the room out of the way first; on the health side of things, I've been doing much better and physically, this is the healthiest I've been in ages. Mentally? Let's just say that I've had to cut off someone really toxic from the community; they've caused a lot of trouble for me and my dear friends for months. I don't want to dive further into what happened to keep my friends safe, but I do want to say this: be there for your friends and stand up for them when they need you around.

Apart from that, I have been changing up things here and there and handling stuff in my university and in my family, but I do have some things cooking up for you guys that I'll share with you here later! But first, I want to go over my announcement from a handful of days back to clarify a few things.

2) THAT SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

You've probably already read my post where I announced my decision to continue making Titanic content in the future instead of retiring, but I think I should also explain why I contemplated retiring (again). To be honest with you, ever since my heart attack ages ago, things have gone poorly for me here; a partnership that wasn't meant to be, my ever-increasing workload in university, losing momentum and motivation for Titanic art in general, and feeling like a stranger here again has been a few reasons as to why I decided to quit once 2023 turns into 2024. However, a new partnership with smolnoodlekitty that soon turned into "Team Heartslash" (which includes people such as Matlock26th, caitlin._.art, Lacoeurdelamer, NWArtOfficial), getting more lovely people to voice act my characters, and the support from the newest batch of talented artists in the community made me rethink my decision to step away from doing Titanic art. That's why I decided to stay on! Unironically, I wouldn't still be here today without your support, so thank you all for continuing to support me even though I barely upload at all these days. I'm trying to work on that, I promise.

Speaking of characters...

3) MY FIRST OC: MASAKO HONDA

I finally made an actual original character that isn't a gijinka of some sort! I got the confidence to finally make a character that isn't limited to being a gijinka, and I'm happy with what I have. You've probably already seen her if you checked out my Twitter, but here she is: Masako Honda!

Masako Honda is a hyperactive, ADHD-ridden Japanese-Filipino girl who moved to the Philippines at the age of 10. Despite being a self-proclaimed nerd who is very geeky and hyperactive to the point where she can't stay still for 5 minutes, she is a very attractive girl who is way out of most guys' league. However, she doesn't have a boyfriend since birth. She took up the Game Development course in her university because of her self-taught ability in Unity and in C#. Just don't call her a Java developer.

That's a brief introduction of her, she'll soon have her place in my gallery, and I hope you'll be excited for that day to come as much as I am! The early reception I got from both my Discord server and my classmates has been insane and I couldn't be more thankful for the response I got for her!

4) SOCIAL MEDIAS (DISCORD SERVER + DA GROUP)

I've been going around and trying to update my social media pages and stuff, and I understand that there's a lot of links to keep up with, so I compiled them all in one page so you can quickly go to my profiles in certain sites! You can check them out right now through my Linktree here: https://linktr.ee/NorthaDawn

Speaking of updates, I've also been doing a little rebrand, which is why I've transitioned away from my old theme to the one I've had right now, I hope you like the new look!

I've also decided to take on a new tagline that I feel would represent not only me, but also all of you guys as a whole well. It's a simple line, yet it's a very motivational one, at least for me, and I hope it'll be motivational for you too. The tagline? "THERE IS STILL A VOYAGE TO EMBARK ON."

As a final reminder, I do have a Discord server up that also serves as a server for smolnoodlekitty and caitlin._.art! You can join through this link here: https://discord.gg/gsxGMPMPNb

5) VOICE ACTRESS ANNOUNCEMENT

Of course, I'd save the best for last. I'll keep it short and sweet...

RMS Olympic (Olyvia McLoughlin) - caitlin._.art

You probably know her as my Titanic's voice for a bit now, but she'll now be primarily voicing the Old Reliable now! She also did the absolutely gorgeous art for this announcement! As for who'll take her spot as Titanic?

RMS Titanic (Emily McLoughlin) - Lacoeurdelamer

She's the nice girl who'll play the Queen of the Ocean! If you've been around my Discord server, you know her as Maxine, and the amount of similarities she has to my Titanic is quite insane, which is why she's the perfect fit!

Masako Honda - moonglower.art + smolnoodlekitty

A 2-for-1! Weren't expecting that, were you? Either way, they're sharing duties to be the voice of the hyperactive college girl!

I hope you'll be looking forward to hearing them bring my characters to life!

FINAL REMARKS

Thanks for your continued support, and I hope that this has been a nice update so you're up to speed with what's going on in my end of things. Please do leave a comment, I'd like to know what you think! Also, go support every artist mentioned in this journal, they deserve it too! Have a wonderful day!

-Northa

THERE IS STILL A VOYAGE TO EMBARK ON

[crazypenguintacofan]

So after letting it shimmer for a while, some reasons why the Ted Lasso finale didn't quite land for me:

- I get what they were trying to do with Roy and I thought the message was beautiful, BUT I feel like they shoud've shown his 'relapse' in a more subtle way. Having him get into a physical fight with Jamie, after all they've grown, didn't feel right to me.

-Also the whole "we're letting YOU choose" thing felt uggggg. I wouldn't mind it if they'd spent a whole episode adressing it, but it was not something to just toss into the finale and run.

-Maybe this is the Keelroy shipper in me, but I feel it's a bit of a waste that they spent 2 seasons developing a relationship that was flawed, yes, but still it was one of the healthiest and most wholesome m/f ships I've seen, and then not give them proper closure. I feel like Roy and Keeley shoud've had at least 1 truly positive and heartfelt scene together in the finale. Even if it were only Roy saying that, after all, he's not ready yet to be in back in a romantic relationship, and they hug it out.

(Honestly, Roy's arc this season shoud've been entirely about accepting that he is enough and that he deserves love and happiness even when he doesn't perform perfectly, and have him spend the final episode basking in that love and happiness. But I would've taken the aforementioned option as well)

- Keeley was barely in the episode, she barely said goodbye to Ted, and she didn't get to voice her own view on her feelings about the bloody love triangle (other than "get out of my house you jackasses"). Overall her arc has had great moments but it has felt all over the place this season.

- Beard and Jane. Enough said.

- It was great seeing Sam playing for Nigeria at the end, but honestly, they shoud've devoted a whole episode to dealing with the aftermath of the attack to his restaurant and closing his storyline with Edwin Akufu.

-I expected a bit more of the Ted-Nate reunion. I understand that after a whole year to process and forgive, Ted wasn't angry anymore, but still. That was one of the most important relationships in the show and deserved more screentime for closure.

-In general, I personally would've liked more Nate. Maybe one last genius strategy for the road.

(As I said before, this shoud've been 2 episodes to fit in proper goodbyes for everyone.)

-Ted should've cried as much as Rebecca in the airport. It would've shown that he's gotten better at accepting and expressing negative emotions. And it just felt wrong to me to see him so dissaffected while Rebecca was going through the 7 stages of grief.

-The reapperance of the Dutch Guy felt a bit tonally off in respect to the rest of the episode. They were going for a subversion of tropes of the genre and a vibe of "real life is not like stories, sometimes the perfect happy ending isn't possible and that's fine" with all the other storylines, and then...then they go and pull off a rom-com deus ex machina, "destiny" or "serendipity" brought them back together, with Rebecca. It felt weird to me (though I never quite warmed up to the Dutch Guy, so I may be biased).

-As sad as it makes me, and as much as I love found families, Ted going back to Kansas to be with Henry made sense. He clearly missed his son, and making a kid leave his school and his friends and all that's familiar when there's another option it's just harsh. HOWEVER they could've shown that Ted was still part of the life of the Richmond crew and viceversa. They could've shown him facetiming with them while they were at Higgins' barbacue, for example.

(I didn't get the vibe that he got back together with Michelle, just that they are co-parenting? But if they'd gotten back together my answer would be NO)

Anyways. It's been a good run. I love this show and overall I've really enjoyed season 3. Headcanons and fix-it fics can deal with the rest.

[clayandstuff]

Hi, this isn’t really a question it’s more of a sort of statement? Anyway I just wanna say how much I love your Becho posts, the analysis is perfect, and I just love how you throw shade at BlOrKeS being wilfully ignorant because they wanted their fanon ship to be canon, tho BlOrKeS being annoying is still prevalent today, as seen on TikTok and Instagram a lot, by them saying that Becho is toxic and Bellamy didn’t actually love Echo he used her cuz he didn’t have Clarke which is total BS to the max and contradicts canon which is what they are good at. But I know this is getting long and probs tedious, but I just wanted to reiterate how fantastic your Becho posts and analysis are, and how superb your edits are of them. Have a happy new year 😊

awww thank you!! This message made my day! I hope you have a happy new year as well! I have spent countless hours making Becho edits, and I could spend countless more! They are the moment, always were, always will be. I LOVE THEM! 

Becho is truly the cutest, sweetest, sexiest, softest (and not to mention healthiest) ship on the show 🥰🥰🥰, Bellamy loved Echo with his whole giant heart (and never Clarke!) and blorkes can die mad about it!!

ah blorkes making shit up, what else is new? 🤪🤪🤪 how does that embarrassment of a "ship" still have cultists in the year 2022? Almost 2023?! I think they all need professional help, because clearly what's on screen never mattered to them in the first place. (but by all means blorkes, keep making a stink about the show, never let it fade into oblivion, keep it’s legacy of clowning on you and making you look like absolute fools alive and well for years to come)

Shippers don't understand what the word toxic means and they throw it around against ships they don't like - but toxic has an actual meaning and it isn't Bellamy and Echo's relationship... maybe they should reexamine how a certain murderous blonde treats Bellamy and his family while claiming to be his friend. Blorkes are so exhausting, I’ve already debunked their most delusional takes. Blorkes are laughable, and always have been.

I literally cannot comprehend how anyone watches the show and doesn't adore Becho. Just say you hate Bellamy and don’t care about him, just say you want to self insert as Clarke and fantasize about f*cking the abuser that played him - it’s never been about Bellamy Blake the character, leave him alone you crazies! Imagine shipping him with his MURDERER (who also left him in a fighting pit to die), instead of his actual girlfriend - who would move heaven and earth for him and do anything to keep him safe! I simply have to laugh every time I watch season 5 and get to watch Echo choke out Clarke for leaving Bellamy to die, that scene fuels me. Like the narrative couldn’t be any more clear. Not my fault blorkes are dumb as rocks and choose to ignore the show and what’s actually happening in the narrative and between the characters. That's on them if they want to be eternally, willfully obtuse, they will never know peace and that makes me sleep soundly at night!

The show is over. It has been for years. They lost (embarrassingly so, the biggest L I've ever seen). End of story. Period. It's OVER. They need to accept it, get over it, and move on. It’s so funny how they make things up in their heads and then act like it’s the truth. I simply have to laugh.

Anyway, happy 2023 everyone! Becho still owns my heart! ❤️🥺❤️🥺❤️

enjoy some sweet Becho gifs below 🥰

[persorene]

hey so I think you said your partner fairly recently came out as enby right, so if you don't mind me asking how did they do it and how did you respond, I'm also in a long term relationship and questioning my gender identity but I'm not sure how to bring it up with my bf

This has probably been in my inbox forever so I'm so so sorry if I'm late to this!

Yes they did come out back in April, but it was a long time coming. My partner and I have been best friends since kindergarten, we started dating at 14, married at 19, we're 29 now. The entire time I've known them, they've been gender nonconforming but they were raised in a conservative Christian household in a rural area so that was never an option for them. They had to mask as hyper masculine to not be harassed by their family, thought they were anyway, I'm not joking, when we first told their family we were dating as teenagers they said, and I quote "oh thank God we all thought (partner's name) was a (f slur)" so you can imagine their home life as a closeted queer kid.

When we got married and moved away they started to be more themselves. Around 2020 during lockdown (cliche, I know) they started experimenting with dresses more femme, doing makeup, piercings, etc. Around 2022 they told me they didn't feel like a man but also not a woman and weren't sure what they were feeling or how to process it, and I was totally supportive of that and told them to take all the time they need... but literally the day after that conversation we found out I was pregnant so everything kind of went on the backburner because it was a medically complex pregnancy (preeclampsia iykyk) and then I got pregnant again 4 months after that baby was born so it was a very busy two years where we really didn't have time to reflect on anything outside of pregnancy and babies. Then our second baby was born in February and we had more downtime after that since we were done with babies and getting out of the survival state that puts you in. They again went back to presenting in a more gender nonconforming way and seemed more confident in that presentation.

The day they came out in April, we were in the kitchen, I was cooking, they were chopping the vegetables and just very casually said "I'm nonbinary" but I could tell simultaneously they were scared to say it out loud and also elated to finally be able to say it. I was just thrilled for them, like I said, this was a longtime coming and I had actually, back in 2022 when they first expressed some discomfort in their assigned gender, joined tons of support groups for trans folks and their partners so I could learn how to help them and navigate their feelings and how to be supportive when they came out. Plus, they'd been this way as long as I'd known them, it was a fundamental aspect of who they are.

So for me it wasn't something that shocked me or that I had to come to terms with, plus I'm bi, so no weird sexuality feelings to work through in that area for me. It was just. All I felt was joy for them, because you could literally feel their happiness radiating out of them when they finally came out. Our experience probably isn't universal, like I said we've been inseparable since we were 5, I've seen every version of them and loved them all, and I think that kind of longevity may change things but I also think your partner would probably be understanding and supportive! Someone who loves you would love the best, happiest, healthiest and most authentic version of you as well.

[dargiemarif]

I do fear the thought of death.

And I wonder, how someone like me with my family live long?

My mother has an auto immune disease along with others, my dads side isn't the healthiest either, so how is someone like me supposed to live long?

I want to create for penkio; i feel like that's my only purpose. I'd also like to make people's lives a little bit better aswell. I want to live long , but looking forward how am i supposed to believe in that? I'm scared of talking about death because I believe if I talk about it it'll happen and I guess I need to get over thst fear, my therapist says. I wanna live long and create, but how am I supposed to? I choose faith to help me cope with this, believing I'll be better in Heaven where i can create blissfully there. I wouldn't say I'm Christian or very religious. Jesus follower is the term I use, and fuck I hate fearing my peers will hate me because of what I believe in but whatever. I'm someone like them who believes in something. So what? I'm still human. I want good life for everyone, I support things that deserve supporting, I just try to make things better, as much as I can. Is it selfish to talk about myself like that? It's true though, how I think. If anything I want to make things a little bit better for people. I respect everyone who deserves respect, and I love everyone. And then still I'm afraid of death, in a strange way. I want to have an impact whether it be small or big.

I guess that's why I'm scared of it.

I feel depressed, though. I don't wanna do anything. Everything bores me most of the time, even my interests. My anxiety is better atleast. I find things hard to do. Getting up or doing simple things is hard. I'm jealous of others. I feel hopeless. That I won't get to do anything i want to do.

I don't even like labeling myself with things like that though, more of to describe what I feel. I mean it's not labeling myself, just what I feel, so I guess it's fine. I lie on every mental health test the doctor gives me except for the anxiety part. I wanted medication for it cause nothing worked. Now with medication things work. I feel more hopeful that I can get things to work for my other problems, but would they even get taken seriously without a diagnosis? The only reason I'd like to get diagnosed with things is so my problems are taken seriously. My therapist doesn't help shit with my trauma. I'm getting through it on my own. I wanna help people with that too. Sometimes you just need a good medication to help that process though. There's downsides to diagnoses too. Medical care I'm pretty sure would just blame medical issues more on mental issues(from what I've heard).

And i don't want to make my mom upset. She'd only blame herself. Somehow she got custody over me. I didn't grow up in a very mentally stable environment the first few years of my life- I am a child of a mother who had untreated bpd, autism and more. doesn't make a good combo for a parent. She still has those things,, obviously, but I can REALLY say she's doing better. I'm m proud of how far she's come, along with my brother. And other people. Ive seen people imrpove, so, so can we. I don't want to get diagnosed for mental stuff. I just want help dealing with my problems. How'd that come from my fear of death? Even the word fills me with anxiousness. Some days I'm not so scared, due to any reasons I have. Death is natural, death is life. Everyone should know that, but it is hard. Live life, solve your fears, do good, make stuff. Create, make an impact(small or big). Let others in. Love♡ rant over, I'm scared

[broken-everlark]

Exactly, their morals aren't... normal.. and are definitely questionable. But in their own way they are a healthy nuclear family.

I know, right? With the hug, if the roles were reversed, they wouldn't say shit about it being romantic with Tyler 🤣 I feel like at this point, they just really don't want Wednesday to be with a normie male. Even tho Tyler is anything but normal. Exactly, the fight & the hug are huge for their friendship in different ways. Like you said, Wednesday put Enid's life at risk. That isn't sexual or romantic tension. That's straight up horrific if someone thinks that's cute. Oh yes, Wednesday put enids life in danger oh that's so cute. How tf does that make anything that happened okay?! Enid always puts others before herself, and she stands up to Wednesday when she's finally had enough. Which would never be healthy in a relationship. And the hug. Lord, the hug is all they have, tbh and I'm being generous 🤣

The fact that Enid and Thing were rooting for Wednesday & Tyler just proves our point. Enid is a gossip girl, and she's definitely the girl that gossips about a man in her friends' lives. Enid and Thing gossip and have said in the show that they gossip about Tyler and Wednesday. Like I don't understand if Enid liked Wednesday then why the fuck would she support her going out with Tyler?

The fact that you were even hoping for wenclair before watching the show just to see that people are making stuff up at this point is honestly funny to the people who still think it's a good ship. I'm glad we can have a good conversation because most conversations I try to have with actual wenclairs go very, very wrong, and they usually ship the actors as well which you should never do in a fandom. There is no calm communication with them. It's usually that they get upset or change their answers. I've run into fanfics where they literally take Tyler's entire story and make it enids. Her being the Hyde, the torture, the murders everything. Like what the actual fuck? I feel like, at this point, they are just mad because Tyler is a boy. Not even because he's a "villain." They are just mad because Wednesday likes a boy.

Honestly, I'm terrible with words, but you literally are saying everything I've been thinking! Like the fact that they switch up or act like this is the most healthiest relationship in the show. In all honesty, whether anyone likes Ajax or not, I truly think Ajax and Enid are the most healthiest. They are honest and sweet towards each other. But that's just based on what I've seen in S1. Again, I'm not trying to push them. That was just my honest first reaction. Wyler is a close second since in Addams' family lore, they'd be considered healthy. But what makes wyler work is that neither of them have to change drastically for the other. Tyler enjoys her kooky side and enjoys the small dark comments she makes. Like you said, taking in every detail about her. Or the fact that he never tries to force her to change herself, unlike Enid and Xavier. But somehow wyler is the toxic one🤣

When in reality Xavier is a rich, petty piece of shit character. I'm sorry, but this was my first reaction to him - all I saw was a boy who didn't have to work for his dollar, a boy with 0 respect towards others and expects everyone to just walk on eggshells for him. He expects Wednesday to just fall head over heels in love with him or to be very open with him. The reason why I call him a rich entitled little shit is because he looks annoyed when cleaning at the weathervane, and he seems to really hate Tyler just for being a hard-working normie. He hates Tyler because he's a good man. He works hard for his dollar, shows respect to people who earn it, and puts up with everyone's shit without getting overly frustrated. Tyler is calm and won over Wednesday very easily by just being a good listener and not calling her insane or crazy when she mentions something with gore or death.

And can we just talk about the fact that Wednesday introduced her favorite family member to Tyler? Fester met Tyler, and she actually smiled at their interaction. She enjoyed his presence. I honestly don't think (at the top of my head) a time when she truly was annoyed at his presence. I can remember her being annoyed with Enid & Xavier.

Okay, hate is a strong word. I do like Joel. I just hope he doesn't show up in S2 because I'd like to keep these two versions of Wednesday separate. But it could also work out for wylers since in canon she has liked two normie guys. (Well, technically, 1)

I like that both Tyler and Joel do share 1 thing. They both have a puppy dog like love. Joel's being more puppy dog and just following Wednesdays lead, while Tyler has an amazing attention to detail, he truly listened to her, never called her crazy or insane and still had that adorable puppy dog follow because almost in every scene he just follows her and listens. Then, he gives his opinion when needed. Tyler would definitely be a good addition & I'd love to see Gomez, Morticia, Fester and even pugsleys reaction.

Oh, definitely most of the time, talking to wenclairs feels like arguing or communicating with a brick wall. I have met a few who have mixed or changed scenes from the show, and honestly, it's hilarious because i feel like these people only skipped through the show and only paid attention to the Wednesday & Enid interaction scenes. I feel like they paid 0 attention to Tyler's story or torture and ignored all the other characters as well.

The funny thing is, true fans know Wednesday wouldn't do something out of pity. She kissed Tyler because she WANTED to. She would've also kissed him in the crypt but was interrupted by Donovan.

Hold the hell on. I need to go back and watch that🤣 I don't remember seeing him, but I also need to go back and watch. I still don't think they are dating, just not until I get a full confirmation. They did kinda rush the last few episodes. Adding in more about the stalker and biancas mom. I hope they'll have more episodes in season 2 or at least longer episodes. To give us a whole backstory with the characters. Because I'm pretty worried, yoko was supposed to have a bigger role but was cut. (She's in a lot of advertisements for the show even tho she's barely in it) also I saw yoko and divina dancing at the Rave'n & I swear if they aren't a couple I'm going to scream. Because I need more scenes with yoko & divina in them!

Because I feel like wenclairs only complain about the show because they think it lacks diversity. Which is wrong. The same people say Tim Burton is a racist because he made Bianca the villain, which is false. Because Bianca isn't a villain, she's a rival/friend, which is something totally different. But those people only watched the trailer and not the full show. Or they say he's homophobic when literally I don't understand how? The only reason I can think of people calling him is because he didn't make Wednesday & Enid a thing, but they are just being salty that their ship is toxic asf.

But anyways back to the actual conversation, lol. I do agree with you. I hope they don't just throw them together because they are both Black. I can see them for my own reasons, such as his loss of his father. He's now an outcast to the normies he once called friends and now truly sees the outcasts as people and not freaks. He genuinely feels bad for what he did to Enid, Bianca, and Wednesday. Unlike the other two boys. I can see Bianca either being alone and trying to figure out her situation with her mother or with Lucas (or another character) but specifically talking about Lucas I could see it as a fresh start for Bianca, not dating a boy from her school who think she's using her song to get what she wants. When Lucas doesn't know anything about her siren song and wouldn't accuse her of such a thing. But I can see your hesitation & other people's as well & honestly I agree with you as well.

I mean, if I had to ship Wednesday with someone else, it would be Bianca. (Not saying I ship it, but that's one ship that I can understand why people ship it.) In my opinion i like them more like rivals kinda like how Morticia and Fran are seen in pictures doing the same activities Wednesday & Bianca were doing at the beginning of the show. It'd give more depth to the show to give Wednesday a rival that she doesn't fully hate but doesn't fully like either. But I do see what you mean about being able to see them together. Since they are both the same, both blunt and honest, they'd be able to talk more about what's going on with each other. Not that I'm a huge fan of this ship, but I can definitely see where they are coming from & it honestly would make more sense than wenclair.

Also, I know we aren't talking about this but to add it on because it's been bothering me. Have you noticed so many people hate Donovan? I mean, he's not my favorite, but I do know a broken father when I see one. I'm pretty sure in one episode, I still saw his wedding ring on. He just seems to throw himself in his work, unintentionally emotionally ignoring Tyler in the process. Donovan seems like one of those men who can't talk about their feelings. Which isn't bad because anyone can be like that. Frans death hit him hard, especially since he couldn't help her. And the small fact that I feel like he had to put her down by HER own wishes so she wouldn't hurt anyone else makes me tear up just thinking about it. The only reason I say that is because Donovan knew exactly where to shoot Tyler to not cause permanent damage. I could be wrong it could be police training or hydes, just having an amazing healing factor since Tyler easily broke out of the back of the van while high on tranquilizers (most likely bear ones), put in a straitjacket, chained and bound. I'm pretty sure they have a fucking high ass pain tolerance & healing factor.

But back to Donovan, the fact that he broke down and held Tyler's bloody body, most likely thinking he lost the only person he had left, just like he lost his wife. To the Hyde. Donovan is obviously a very grumpy person, hiding his emotions away and throwing himself in his work, not even realizing he's ruining his relationship with his son. He was most likely thinking that Tyler would be better off if he wasn't there. Since Fran probably helped balance Donovan out. Tim really has an opportunity to write some complex male characters. Showing that men have emotions too, but people like Donovan keep them buried and throw themselves into their work to avoid feeling anything. Which isn't healthy. And with Tyler, man. They can show that men can get r*ped too and have emotional, physical, and other types of trauma as well.

They have so much to work with, and I hope they do it well. I am praying Tim keeps with what he's wanting and doesn't let wenclairs or haters change that or (I hate using this word), but I hope they don't go woke. They are doing amazing with diversity in their characters as in, at least in my opinion they are. They are building such a good story, and I hope they don't add in political or nowaday troubles.

And I hope Tim doesn't let Jenna sway in his story. I absolutely love Jenna, but she doesn't even like the romance and says it's out of character for Wednesday when obviously she forgets about joel🤣 or says Wednesday can be strong without a man. Wednesday can be in love and still be strong & independent. She doesn't need to have toxic feminism in the show. Women can be strong without bringing men down. Women can be strong in a relationship as well. I do agree. I want the show to have a bit more gore, but other than that, I don't want her to take out petroclair & wyler.

I'm really sorry if I just ruined the conversation. That's just how I can put it into words atm. Like I said, I'm not good with words.

Can we talk about how Wednesday was in the most none triangle love triangle ever? Like, Wednesday and Tyler were doing their own thing meanwhile Xavier was just kind of there. Now if Wednesday liked Xavier too that would be a proper triangle, but that’s not what played out. She was always upfront with him that she was there for Tyler. He was just guy on the side who had a thing for a girl who’s into someone else. It was never a triangle. It almost confuses why anyone calls it a triangle at all.

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This isn't necessarily abt LSZ, byt it annoys me when ppl are like " you must forgive the ppl who wronged you in order to be a good person"

Bcs some were raised passive, some are used to letting go, and learning to love yourself enough to be angry abt what happened is a rlly important and powerful message

I won't argue abt canon, bcs i have fic for it, but, as healthy as it is, it's also frustrating. LSZ has never been shown as a particularly assertive person, and him being angry at what happened would have been satisfying and shown that he's learned the lesson of not tearing yourself down for other's comfort ( which is more WWX to learn than his tbh, but whateves)

JL, on the other hand, who's angry and assertive and doesn't listen to anyone, him choosing to forgive and forget ( WWX) feels more powerful narratively, bcs it's an active choice, not something that's been trained into him, he chose to let go of the anger before to be more happy

So yeah, I've seen a lot of arguments, but i think this is what boils down to. We want passive characters, those who stood and suffered to get angry and validated, because so few of us ever get the chance to

Except... here's the thing. LSZ didn't learn to "tear himself down for others' comfort". He's a peacemaker, yes, he tries to resolve fights, yes, but that's just because he's the sort of person who prefers peaceful resolutions. Come on, that kid was raised by LWJ. I don't doubt for a second he was spoiled rotten. I think people forget that someone preferring to be quiet and gentle isn't the same as being passive; LSZ doesn't assert himself because... well, he doesn't particularly want to. He lets LJY do it for him, most of the time. I have on multiple occasions seen people insisting there's something wrong with LSZ/WWX and LWJ's parenting because LSZ doesn't like to start fights over things that don't matter at the end of the day, and like... there's nothing wrong with being the type to forgive others and let things go, so long as it isn't taken into doormat territory. LSZ chooses to forgive the Lans for their part in his family's deaths, because the Lans a) played a pretty small part on balance and b) have raised and protected him with love and care his entire life when they didn't actually have to do that; I'd argue that's just as powerful as JL forgiving WWX. It's just quieter. And LSZ does assert himself; he's just quiet about it. He doesn't shout like JL does, but he doesn't let himself be ignored either! Remember, it's LSZ who keeps the juniors from making a huge thing about LWJ tying WWX up with the forehead ribbon; the fact that he did it with a smile on his face and without ever raising his voice doesn't make that not assertive! In fact he seems to be the leader of the multi-sect duckling contingent; they all listen to him, even JL at least some of the time (which is more than most people get). Assertiveness and aggression are not synonymous.

So I guess what I'm saying is... why is it that JL is seen as assertive when he shouts and cries but can never get people to do what he wants (he can't even get LJY to stop calling him 'young mistress'!), while LSZ is seen as passive when he actually does get people to do what he wants without ever raising his voice? Why are screaming, crying tantrums (I love JL but. they are tantrums) assertive while calmly taking control of the group and leading them down the path you've decided is passive? Why should LSZ have to scream his anger to the heavens for it to be real? He's not angry at LWJ and WWX, because why would he be? He's not angry (or at least not more angry than anything else) at the Lans, because they're the family that raised him well. Why does it follow that he's not angry at the people actually responsible, people he never talks to and so has no opportunity to openly tear down for causing his family's deaths? And remember, LSZ temporarily leaves the sect to travel with WN (which he as a disciple would've had to get permission to do, by the way; I'd argue that going to LQR and saying "Hey, I'm gonna fuck off to Qishan with my fierce corpse uncle to learn more about my birth family" counts as asserting yourself!); it's partly to learn about his birth family, but I don't doubt he also wanted time to think about things away from the Lans.

You say his "passivity" is something LSZ was trained into, but... come on, look at the Lans. These are the most stubborn assholes in all the sects. They wouldn't be teaching him to be passive, they'd be teaching him to keep his cool while verbally eviscerating his enemies. He was raised to be polite and to show his elders the deference due to their age and experience; that doesn't make him passive. The only time we see him being anything close to passive is when Madam Mo is hurling insults at him, and I'd say that's more "customer service" than any actual passivity. He's expected not to make demands of his elders (hence why he doesn't go off on JC beyond the bounds of "Hanguang-jun says"), but I say again: he's clearly the social leader of his group. He's not passive, he just follows the example of his uncle (who once got two men who hated each other to swear oaths of brotherhood to make him happy; it wasn't a wise move in the long run, but it's impressive he got as far as he did!) and gets what he wants through diplomacy, rather than being intimidating enough to force people to do what he wants.

I... don't actually know where I'm going with this. I guess I just get annoyed whenever people talk like there's something wrong with LSZ (usually something about him being too passive) when... he's probably one of the mentally healthiest characters in the whole cast! This boy was raised well among people who love and care for him and because of that he's doing really well! He doesn't yell and cry when things don't go his way like JL because he was raised in an environment where he was treated with respect as a person, and he forgives the Lans not because he's been raised to passively take whatever's done to him as deserved (like WWX) but because he loves them, because they earned that love by being good to him. Why should that be seen as passive just because he doesn't yell about it?

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Age gaps (particularly where authority figures are involved) are always going to be contentious, but I agree with you that there's not always manipulation involved. The fact that Rose and especially Dimitri are aware of that potential imbalance and that it's a key reason for why they resist their feelings for as long as they do is a testament to the health, maturity and mutual respect of their eventual relationship. That's not to say that there aren't toxic elements to their relationship, and they DEFINITELY shouldn't have slept together while Rose was still a minor. But the circumstances for manipulation, grooming and abuse simply being present does not mean that they will occur. My own relationship with my partner (who is 9 years my senior, and who was my teacher before we started dating, by which time I was well and truly an adult) is evidence to support this. Ours is one of the healthiest, most respectful, supportive and loving relationships I've ever seen, and all of my close family and friends (all the people who know me best) have commented on how well we work together. I'm not saying that grooming and abuse doesn't ever happen in those situations (it does, which is why I'm 100% against teachers having relationships with students while in school. 10000% if the student is a minor), I'm just saying that it doesn't guarantee it.

As for changing things in the show... Hmm. I'm not sure about that. Part of me is very strongly against making any sorts of changes because of how much I adore the original material. On the other hand, I did read a very compelling argument someone made about making Dimitri 20ish that's making me think it could actually work if done well (essentially, making Dimitri younger would add an extra layer of complexity to him and his relationship with Rose, as he has to contend with being in a position of authority over people who he's barely older than, making it that much more difficult for him to constantly be the voice of reason and authority and retain the control he's always fighting for). But it would have to be done reeeeally well.

Do I think they'll make a change like that for the tv show? No. I just really hope they don't try to romanticise the student-teacher element of their relationship, and they need to be careful not to show it in a positive light. They can't just not have it in there because of potential backlash - that feature of their relationship is too integral to the story. But they can make it very clear that it's not something to be glossed over just because we wanna see the attractive characters with great chemistry getting hot and heavy. "Forbidden love" isn't sexy when it's forbidden because there's a minor involved. Rather, I think they need to have the characters openly acknowledge the age gap, the position of authority and the potential for power imbalance that that can create. Just having them have an honest discussion about their respective concerns about it (and also the guarding partners thing) could go a long way to showing that it's something they're taking into serious consideration, which would also add extra weight to things when they do get together, as it would show it's not a decision they make lightly. Because if they have Rose and especially Dimitri be dismissive of those very real issues, it gives the impression that those things don't actually matter. And that's a very bad message to send.

Im honestly tired of the rants on the age gap. I dont like them myself, but yall have a black and white view on them. Just because theres an age gap doesnt mean that someone is getting manipulated and abused. Im not gonna say it's fine in general but there are some cases where two people had feelings and and genuinely cared for each other and it is okay. Of course, a lot of yall arent gonna agree with me, but you cant change the ages of Rose and Dimitri without it affecting the story. Damn near every small detail in the series is important and cant be changed willy nilly. Yall may not like it but yall are just gonna have to get over it. And if it bothers you too much, then just dont watch it.