#and half an effective way to ingratiate himself to the harvelles
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#dean especially treated every bit of (likely rare) praise as the most beautiful gift #and john knew that and doled it out accordingly #but my god he loved those boys to death #he loved those boys so much it poisoned all three of them (tags from @samwinchesterphantompregnancy)
sorry just thinking about john pouring his heart out to ellen about how much he loves his kids 👍
#ellen harvelle#y'all know i don't subscribe to john being abusive#but i do think he could be a shitty person#accidentally AND on purpose#his blathering about his boys nonstop to the harvelles#was probably half because he rarely got the chance#and he loved those boys like nothing else (except mary)#and half an effective way to ingratiate himself to the harvelles#for hunting connection purposes#and a possible place to park the kids when he needed to#'hey you've got a kid! me too! i've got cute stories about them! i'm trustworthy!'#also ellen fucking him on the side *cough* that's just my pet hc tho
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