#also mutuals who ive spoken to about ~the discourse~ just know i see you and i appreciate you and we'll make it through together 🥴

[hotdyke-hardstyle]

okay i'm fine now. i've reblogged what i've wanted to express. thank you.

[angeloncewas]

dont wanna make this ask long bc i am tired and dont have the energy to be a well spoken (?) person rn but it probably will be long anyways, so sorry!! but like. as somebody who has hyperfixated on both idubbbz and schlatt (along with a plethora of other problematic content creators, i really know how to fuckn pick em!!) they absolutely foster a dogshit community, at least outside of platforms like tumblr, where like. you cant really avoid fandom culture like you can on twitter or ig, if that makes sense. on here, if you wanna post about your favorite youtuber, whether you tag it or not, other fans will likely see and if you say some bad shit, you will likely get called on it, whereas on ig basically only your followers will see it even if you use a hashtag and on twitter its like if you arent in a subtwt/fandom then you basically dont interact with any subtwt at all unless its an accident, ya know?

so like. i think what im trying to say here is that while ive met a lot of fans of both these creators, especially schlatt, who are great people as far as i can tell, i am also specifically on the fandom side of things and as soon as i step out of that space i realize that a lot of people who watch them are not actually minorities like me and my mutuals who can catch on to satire or who watch their more behind the scenes stuff where you can see them act like a decent person or even call out people for the things they usually joke about which just. fucking sucks. it sucks that, as much as i do believe schlatt is actually a good person (and sort of idubbbz, although i dont really watch him much anymore for a plethora of reasons, mostly related to the fact that i cant stand his jokes anymore even if he is playing a character as he's said before), he also keeps doing terrible fucking things and im really glad his actual friends have been calling him on it recently, especially after that jackbox video (which is a whole other thing on its own bc it literally seemed like nobody wanted to be there basically the entire video?? like as somebody who watched all the jackbox videos before that one, it was really fucking off in that call and the jokes were next level fucking upsetting), but sometimes it's just kinda like. exhausting. bc his community is already fucking bad now, you cant undo accidentally fostering a community of fucking racist homophobes who dont get that you're playing a character, unless you kinda drop off and build a whole new community from that, which would be stupid to do at this point in his career. not really sure where i was going with this tbh, but i thought i would chime in on this discussion as a viewer of mainly schlatt, but also a past idubbbz viewer who is basically a seasoned fucking vet at dealing with shitty fanbases because of him and many other dumb youtube white boys

(also, note on that anisa thing: ian's main fanbase was definitely pissed just bc she does sex work and a lot of them are too fucking young or just too fucking dense i guess to clock the fact that he's putting on an act bc, like i said before, they either dont watch his behind the scenes content, or they do and they kinda just miss those moments between still trying to entertain where he gets genuine. that being said, a lot of people outside of his fanbase were also pissy bc anisa is a less than spectacular lady if you really do your research on her, kind of a bad person but it's not something a lot of people know about, especially since one of the few videos made on it was by fucking creepshow art)

sorry for the rant again, i feel like i do this every other week now and i apologize, you just seem to have the best discourse and i enjoy partaking <3 hope you have a good rest of your day/night/whatever time you're reading this!

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Thank you for the input (don't mind the rant !) and I hope you have a good rest of your day too <3 For post length, I'll answer under the cut :)

Yeah, I get what you mean (I think ahdsufsd). Fandom as a concept is pretty... I don't even know how to describe it, but it's the kind of thing that I feel like white male Redditors would think of as pussy shit, y'know? Like the Ricegum gang isn't a fucking "fandom" they're a... well, a fandom, but they're not gonna admit to that. So when you step outside of a community like Tumblr (the queerest place on the internet TM) you come into contact with the faces of the fandom you're dealing with and oftentimes they're a lot less like you than you might've thought from the similar interest. It's like going to a Weezer concert and realizing you're surrounded by incels (this is a JOKE).

Satire's a rough topic because some people don't think it should exist at all. Like any words that can be directly interpreted as bigoted or problematic should not be uttered. I disagree with that, I think it's one of the most interesting forms of both social commentary and comedy, but I do see the problem. There are people who watched Filthy Frank (to take an example from that other anon) and didn't know or care what the point of his actions were (I don't know what they were tbh - I never watched him, but it sounds like he's a pretty decent dude) and instead read his jokes as-is. There are thousands upon thousands of people who aren't gonna get satire and that's a problem because if they're already bigoted they're gonna see people like Schlatt and iDubbz and whoever else as truly validating.

(Largely unrelated but yo, is iDubbz still going? Are the views alright? Is the adsense popping? Has he just kept going with Content Cops? I haven't heard about him since the girlfriend thing dropped.)

"you cant undo accidentally fostering a community of fucking racist homophobes who dont get that you're playing a character, unless you kinda drop off and build a whole new community from that"

I think this is what's pertinent when it comes to discussing Schlatt. After the Jackbox video (for me at least, he might've been there before) he put himself at a crossroads. If he'd apologized, said "sorry, I took it too far, that was a mistake" - yeah, plenty of people wouldn't have forgiven him and plenty of bigoted fans of his would've said that the apology was just to placate the snowflakes on Twitter, but to the sort of in-between people it would've shown that he's able to recognize and reconcile his mistakes. He could've transitioned into content that's A) actually good (when I say that the video was bad I don't just mean in terms of racism, I mean it straight up was not entertaining) and B) less "edgy" for the sake of. I wouldn't expect him to go uwu squeaky clean, but he's already reeled in the bad people, so if he really wanted to foster a good, progressive audience, he has to do something significant to show that.

But he didn't.

Maybe for the sake of his career, maybe because he likes those bigoted fans, maybe because he just doesn't get it - I don't know. I don't think we'll ever know. I spoke earlier about doing what is right over what is easy and in the case of Schlatt it just feels like he really did take the easy way out. Whoever he is in his personal life doesn't change how he's perceived online and the kinds of people that are idolizing him for it.

(And yeah I saw the video on Anisa when I Googled her to check if they were still dating, but then I saw who it was made by and I was like oh well whatever avhfdfkj)

[andromedasummer]

when are you all actually going to take ableism seriously? i mean it. how many fucking times do we have to have this god damn conversation until it gets hammered into your heads that the opposition and oppression we face is serious. i get it, a lot of you think it's funny to watch cringe comps of autistic people having meltdowns. a lot of you like following drama going on with "deluded" disabled tiktokers. if it's funny it's easy to excuse right? theyre cringey so they deserve it. theyre weird so they deserve it.

it's so normal because it's so easy to other us and take advantage of us. exploitation for views for money for sympathy— from parents to teachers to strangers. those of us who cannot speak for ourselves are spoken for by people unlike us and without our best interesgs at heart and those of us who can speak are treated as if we really don't know better and aren't capable of it.

i want to make it clear i no longer a give hit about an f1 driver saying ableist slurs. there will be no closure to that, no one will ever get an actual apology. thats his problem. i made my peace with everything going on with him a long time ago. the only reason i keep up with it is because of my media papers where i am using f1 as an example in my focus on sports journalism.

what IS my problem and the problem of other disabled motorsport fans is when people excuse what he's said because they either 1. don't take ableism seriously (so are likely to commit it towards disabled people because its not 'really' a minority group). or 2. are just straight up openly ableist and want to harm disabled fans.

like i mean it now when i say dont give a shit if you like or dislike this driver. hes a celebrity. i don't care about celebrities, i havent for a good few months now and my god is it refreshing.

i care about being able to enjoy racing while knowing i'm not going to see some half-wit who can't be bothered to learn of their own accord, dropping slurs with the excuse that they're not offensive in english when they're still slurs no matter the language. i am here to watch cars and some funney racing people. not to have people repeat eugenecist rhetoric while i am trying to watch cool overtake.

now that one of his fans is seriously trying to excuse their own use of these slurs and the presence of ableism in their life and their country as a whole; while trying to convince people that there is a hate campaign for their driver going on while comparing death threats to complaints about his bigoted behaviour can people actually recognise this as dangerous to other fans? even within his own fan circle?

if youre a fan of this dude, cool, go for it. it literally doesnt hurt me. just fucking get rid of the people who will PLEASE. because i know there are minority groups who have offered important opinions on this discourse (people of colour, lgbtqa+,disabled etc) as fans of his and they'll hurt those people too.

i seriously feel insane thinking i am the only one seeing this shit. the fan with the openly advertized radfem sideblog when theres a good chunk of his fans who are trans men. this moron who is okay with ableism therefore ableism=okay when ive met and known quite a few disabled fans of his. all the fucking weird anti-feminists hiding in the corners of the fanbase when theres a ton of especially teen women and girls who can be seriously harmed by that crap.

i dont super like that these people like this guy but i also need to put my concern for the wellbeing of people who are within my minority groups and who intersect with it commonly because that mutual support is a lot more important than whether or not so and so likes whatever driver. i'd rather everyone have fan fights about whichever fucking white man of the month drive car good with the knowledge none of us are going to be fucking hatecrimed.

there are necessary conversations to be had about supporting a driver when they continue to act in certain ways or support people of dubious backgrounds. but can we at least as a bottom line look to the people being open freaks over this shit and collectively block and not interact with them. like can the slurs at LEAST be a nono in the fanbase PLEASE

am i insane? what the fuck is happening here? a slur is still a slur no matter the language its in. just because ableism is normalized in a culture doesn't mean its suddenly okay. it just means that ableism is more commonplace and acceptable to people within that culture. disabled people are still harmed by it. refusing to say a slur in english but saying it in your native language still makes you ableist regardless of whether or not you think it's a slur. you do not get to decide that and to tell disabled people to make allowances for when you or people like you use them. i dont give a shit if you as a neurotypical person don't find ableist slurs offensive. using the "it's part of our culture' excuse is an insult to every Dutch person I've met whose learnt what these words mean and have made steps to unlearn these things and do better. you've admitted you're still using them. you're disgusting.