#all of my jewish friends are antizionist

[spiderhungry]

Hmm yeah okay I've decided. I'm anti-Zionism, and pro-one, secular state. I think this aligns with my general philosophy.

[iwieldthesword]

I need to talk about this because it's making me feel insane.

Last week, my white leftist goyisch friends sat me, a wholeass antizionist Jew, down for a "talk" because they "needed to check in about Palestine" and make sure "our values aligned before we hung out again". They apparently needed to "suss out" where I stood on Palestinian rights, despite having had several conversations about Palestine and them being some of my closest friends. They needed to check, to search for and uncover my true values, because I had said some "disturbing things" that had made them "suspicious".

Disturbing things included:

Supporting IfNotNow which is a "liberal zionist organization" because it normalizes Jewish heritage in the Levant

Not bringing Palestine up enough, despite them also not bringing it up (this was apparently a test)

Mentioning that the Houthi's flag talks about cursing all Jews

Saying Stalin was antisemitic because of the "all the paw-grihms"

...and apparently other things they wouldn't specify, but had been tracking for months.

To clarify, I am an antizionist Jew from three generations of antizionist Jews. I have been vocal in my support of Palestinian liberation and in my condemnation both of Israel's actions and its violent founding as a state, and of zionism in many of its forms. I am a regular donor to Palestinian and Jewish NGOs and advocate for Jewish antizionism in person, at temple, and online. I have been talking about Palestinian liberation before they could point to Gaza on a map. But they needed to make sure, they needed to "suss out", they needed to check. And it's notable that the majority of moments that made them suspicious of me were times where I talked about antisemitism: not about Palestinian liberation, not about Israeli decolonization, not about anything actually relevant to Palestine. It was talking about antisemitism that made them check to see if I was a cryptozionist.

One of the most pervasive and insidious forms of antisemitism is the idea that Jews are inherently untrustworthy and suspicious. You have to constantly be on guard, track what they say and do, "suss out" the real truth. You have to keep them in line and and watch them carefully because they're liars and sneaks, and if you're not looking closely they'll return to their real values (and drag you down with them). This is where the idea of "cryptozionist" comes from and what it's directly building off of: the inherent untrustworthiness of Jews and the need to check. Because no matter how close you become you can't actually trust them, and any upstanding gentile should make sure to avoid associating with Jews before "sussing out" their real allegiances and intentions. You have to make them turn out their pockets, just in case.

I'm the first and only Jew they actually were friends with; I know because they've told me (strangely proud of it in the way white Americans are proud of that kind of thing). They've asked me questions about Judaism and fawned over how beautiful and unique it was for me to be connected to my community and culture. Pre-October 7th, one of them had even mentioned being interested in coming to services at my temple. She still has my copy of our siddur. But now she needed to "check" before she could be seen with me in public. Which is what it was: it wasn't a "you're my friend and I need to give you some feedback because you're fucking up" kind of intervention (which is normal and important to have), it was a trial. It was a last chance for me to prove to them that I'm clean-enough that they could afford to risk being seen with me in public, just in case someone noticed them fraternizing with a hypothetical Enemy and their leftism was compromised. It was a test to make sure that I behave properly when required to, that I'd play along and do what I'm told and turn out my pockets if asked (because any refusal would validate the notion of having something to hide). And above all it was an opportunity for them to reaffirm their own cleanliness by putting my imagined immorality in its place.

I did what I needed to do: I smiled. I apologized. I "didn't know that". I "appreciated the feedback". I turned out my pockets because what else could I do? They'd decided who I was and what I believed, regardless of what I said or did, so there was no point in explaining that they were wrong about me. If I had told them they were being antisemitic, it would just have been proof that they were right. Caring about antisemitism is a dogwhistle in the spaces they've chosen: it's not a real form of oppression, it's a tactic for sneaky, lying Jews to weasel out of admitting their true alliances. There was nothing I could say.

Nothing's really changed for me. I'm going to continue my activism for Palestinian liberation rooted in my culture and my faith. Antizionism is still not antisemitism. But I got a reminder that many white goyisch leftists fundamentally just don't trust Jews, and that the activist spaces they're in not only exacerbate their antisemitism in an increasingly insular echo chamber, but also allow them to finally vent their internalized bigotry in a socially-acceptable way. In my former friends' eyes, what they did was activism—disavowing a Jew (and making me feel humiliated, scared, and unclean in the process) as a cathartic stand-in for doing fucking anything for actual Palestinian liberation—but for me it was a grief that I'll be feeling for a long time: not only over losing friends I loved and trusted, but also over my sense of belonging and security in leftist spaces.

[the-ind1gen0us-jude4n]

@elenajones23 first of all, who are you, a non Jew to lecture me about what my religion does or doesn’t allow? Who are you to tell me, as someone who doesn't practice the same religion, that I can or cannot do things?

The Torah isn’t a simple set of guidelines and commands, it’s far more complex than that. It has different interpritations, so saying the torah doesn't allow it is blatantly false. The name "Zion" (Promised land) is mentioned 154 times.

“It isn’t your land and it never was your land” bullshit.

We absolutely do have a land, if we don't, then why do we have holy sights in Jerusalem? Why are names like "Jaffa" and "Haifa" Hebrew?

The land of Israel is where my ancestors came from, it is where they lived, it is where they had a connection to, and it is where they suffered under the romans and were exiled.

We were never welcomed in Europe, we were never welcomed in the rest of the middle east.

These are ancient scrolls called the "Dead sea scrolls" which are a set of ancient Jewish writings dating from the 3rd century BCE.

This is all of what remains of our ancient temple, this is what it once was:

The first temple is Solomon's temple, the second one is Herod's temple, which was destroyed in 70CE by the romans. centuries later, the Muslim caliphates built the Al Aqsa mosque which was built on top of our temple mount. Today, the west wall is all we have left of this historic holy place.

The name "Palestine" was given to the land of Israel by roman colonisers who exiled most of us from the land of Israel, took many of us slaves, and scattered everyone else through western Europe (Some moved further east).

Now about the Nazis = Zionist argument. The Nazis originally made a deal with German Zionist Jews (The Haavara agreement) to bring about a mass migration from Germany to Israel, it should be mentioned that this was because Hitler and the Nazis wanted a Jew-Free Europe, not because the Nazis supported Zionism.

This deal was criticized by both Nazis and Zionists. Zionist criticised it because it made a deal with the devil, and the Nazis criticised it because it went against their philosophy.

The Nazis were extremely antizionist, the belief that they were Zionists is soviet cold war propaganda to demonise the state of Israel and the broader Jewish community. They believed that Jews were biologically incapable of running their own state and were too inferior. Hitler had a "Palestinian" friend (Amin al-Husseini) who campaigned in Berlin, fought for a Palestinian state, and even CONTRIBUTED TO THE HOLOCAUST. They also lead a boycott of Jewish businesses in "Palestine".

So, you're wrong. So very very wrong. You can try to lecture me about the history of my own people and religion all you want, but you're wrong.

Please, kindly fuck off and read a history book. Please attend a Synagogue service and learn more about our religion before you come spewing false bullshit about it.

[aguineapigcouldntdothis]

jewish people online:

yeah we have to block and report people constantly because they post misinformation, harass us, send death threats, doxx us, send sexual harassment threats, go after our friends, and generally destroy our mental health. there's not really any super well known lists of people to block and report because ever jew has a different threshold of what they can handle seeing and want to see. some people do share information especially about particularly violent people to keep others safe. we'd really like it if more people spoke up about antisemitism but at the very least just leave us alone and fact check things

antizionists anti-israel (totally just the government) anti jewish people:

we've curated a huge list of celebrities and influencers for you to block because they haven't talked about our special cause (palestine) yet! we do not encourage you to make critical decisions about who you're blocking and why and instead we want you to just block every single person who doesn't talk about palestine. no we don't care that a lot of celebrities accounts aren't even controlled by them and are instead accessed mostly by members of their staff. its just common knowledge that the best form of activism is getting mad at famous people! then people look at those people and realize how bad they are -- wait what do you mean?? we're exposing these celebrities to more people and some of those people actually agree with them?? they could even gain support? or even if they lose followers they might have a smaller audience that's more interactive?? no no wait that can't be right. also when people post things without checking for misinformation because they fear losing support or even income it can actually harm palestinians?? because the aid is probably going to hamas instead? wait how is that bad hamas are our freedom fighters!! anyway ugh all this is making my head hurt those (((zionists))) are controlling the media

[littlestpersimmon]

Talking

The truth is that I am also very scared. As far as I know I have been the only person in my synagogue to be antizionist. Almost every jewish person I have been friends with, people I admired and befriended, they have all become zionists. Obviously this is only my experience, but in saying that, the truth to me is that Israel has succeeded in making every jewish person feel like the loneliest people in the world- though I would literally sooner take my own life than ever be associated with such an incomprehensibly vile regime.. aside from that, ever since Elon has bought Twitter, it has been getting worse and worse. That it is impossible to find work for people like me.

I have found myself moving my goalposts- It had gone from me getting top surgery someday, getting back to university to finish the degree I actually wanted, being able to focus on organizing .. starting my personal comic.. to just me every day trying to live and survive. Tell me honestly you guys, for someone like me, who is a caretaker to three disabled people, in a crumbling house, what are my chances of surviving in the next 5 years? What am I supposed to do. I work 3 jobs + do nearly all the housework at our house, and it's not enough. My work contract ends next year. Where will I find freelance work if Elon jas effectively destroyed Twitter? Apple is strangling Patreon so everyone is quitting there too. I live in the global south where support for the homeless is nonexistent, my paternal family hates me for talking about how my uncle sexually abused me. And my maternal family is also incredibly poor. Someone give me a direction to walk in. I feel absolutely crushed and lost.

[fairuzfan]

i went to iu and while there are a ton of pro palestine students (certainly all of my friends anyways) its really not a great school as a whole. it seems like every single year theres one racist incident or another. it's not very diverse (i've had friends of color complain that they felt misled by the diversity in school promo materials) and it is in hyperconservative, majority white and evangelical southern indiana and it shows even if it fancies itself a "liberal oasis." for me personally there is a really negligible antizionist jewish community, making it very lonely to practice judaism here. and of course the administration is garbage. the jacobs school also has a huge issue with sexual assault and abuse, pretty much every woman i know there has had experiences with it. so i would not recommend it either!

Yeah I heard this my friends also make fun of the diversity promo they have. Most of what you're saying my friends all echo, yeah IU has a huge racism problem.

[cerealxperimentslain]

i am sick to bastard fucking death of shofarsogood (tw for anti arabism and islamophobia) (& a guest appearance of a klansman for some fucking reason)

i think this post is a little funny, and i will give you the context to see why

ID: A post by @xclowniex, reblogged by @shofarsogood:

“I really need goyim to listen to the whole "if 9 people sit at a table and then one nazi sits at that table and no one tried to remove the nazi, then there are 10 nazis at the table"

I have lost my entire irl friend group due to antisemitism, and whilst correlation doesn't equal causation, so im not saying anything as 100% fact, however there is mad correlation between levels of being antisemitic and closeness with a specific person.

I can't be bothered to turn it into a physcial graph but in my head, oo babie is it a strong graph”

End ID

(first of all lol. lmao.)

ID: @xclowniex reblogged @the-catboy-minyan:

@goatfactsofficial:

A screenshot of a 4chan comment saying “I see you've fall for the old Jewish trick of using evidence to make a point”

@goatfactsofficial:

“literally the pro-pal crowd for the last 298 days”

End ID

let’s be clear, @shofarsogood is mutuals with @prismatic-bell

ID: @shofarsogood reblogged @prismatic-bell

@badjokesbyjeff:

(the post has been cut off for brevity)

End ID

(badjokesbyjeff cameo, naturally)

(I could insert screenshots of prismatic-bell reblogging from shofarsogood but that feels redundant. go scroll both their blogs for a single minute you’ll find more than enough proof)

we should all be familiar with prismatic-bell at this point, but here’s a quick reminder

ID: Post by @prismatic-bell, dated 13 may 2021:

"Free Palestine" IS an antisemitic statement.

It comes with the idea that Palestinians are the only people who have an ancient homeland here, and that Jews are to blame for "taking it over." When they destroyed our temple and put a mosque right on top of it! And then they claim we don't belong there!

"Free Palestine" is a shorthand way of saying you hate Jews. Because it ignores history and, almost without variation, is used as an excuse for antisemitic crimes.”

End ID

(google dot com what were muslims doing in the year 70CE) (also i have endless examples of prismatic bell saying the most fucked up shit. xe has never-stop-posting disease and it would be literally impossible to miss what kind of person xe is)

ID: post by @prismatic-bell:

“You know what?

Fuck Ramadan.

Sorry. We were attacked, raped, murdered, beaten, and kidnapped on a major Jewish holiday, and our Chanukkah was spent in misery. I was threatened for playing Chanukkah music IN MY OWN CAR.

So FUCK Ramadan. If this is how our holidays are treated, y'all can feel the same.”

End ID

like. there are so many “don’t call me zionist” people who follow and interact with shofarsogood. i don’t think you get to find yourself offended by people calling you a zionist if this is who you are mutuals with, & therefore mutuals-in-law with @prismatic-bell and @spot-the-antisemitism.

also second cameo of @the-catboy-minyan

ID: @shofarsogood reblogged @spot-the-antisemitism:

@the-catboy-minyan:

“dude I should have replied to every donation ask I got while having "proud Israeli Jew" on my blog to show people how these are bots that send asks randomly. you think Gazans are gonna come to a (((zionist))) for money? Imao.”

End ID

ID: @spot-the-antisemitism reblogged @shofarsogood. End ID

let me introduce @spot-the-antisemitism

ID: @spot-the-antisemitism reblogged a post by @the-garbanzo-annex-jr:

A badly cropped image. On the left is a photo of protesters protecting their identities with Palestinian keffiyeh and masks. On the right is a photo of a klansman in a hood. The text on the image reads:

“If your ideology requires that you cover your face… …maybe you need a new ideology.”

End ID

these guys’ whole entire deal is cherry picking examples of people being antisemitic and using that to try and delegitimise the whole antizionist & pro Palestine movement through some attempt of “guilt by association”. all while freely and guiltlessly associating with people like @some-israeli-guy

ID: @spot-the-antisemitism reblogged from @some-israeli-guy. End ID

this fucking guy

ID: @some-israeli-guy:

“They started a war to wipe out the Jews, they spread lies of rape and torture to demonize the Jews, and when their people ran away in fear and their militaries lost, they had the nerve to call is "the disaster" and act like innocent victims.”

#israel #palestine #no peace with nazis #palestine is a death cult #palestinian hypocrisy #antisemitism

End ID

like what do you even say to that.

a lot of this checking blog stuff i learned to do when it was much more common for cryptoterfs to be prowling around these parts. cryptoterfs won’t say transphobic slurs and they won’t openly advocate for the death of all transfems and forceful detransition of all transmascs, but they have no qualms about following people who do, while they avoid reblogging anything hateful enough that will get them easily clocked as radfems or terfs. hell, maybe they don’t even personally believe those things, maybe they’re trying to “see both sides of things”. maybe they don’t care at all and follow those blogs for entirely unrelated things and that’s why they won’t reblog any of the hate speech.

does it matter?

at the end of the day, whatever their internal motivations may be, they don’t disagree enough with the absolutely horrendous levels of transmisogyny and transphobia to see it as a dealbreaker

parallels parallels parallels

speaking of which, the way these people blog also mirrors the way that many radfems will blog. we all know the style, the ��dig up some fucking joe nobody transgender person saying something stupid or lesbophobic/misogynistic & use that to paint the whole movement in a bad light”

“oh but isn’t that what you’re doing right now?” prismatic-bell hasn’t been the bane of tumblr for years just for you to call xir a joe nobody. i could pull up a joe nobody with 3 followers who says things about palestine that i wouldn’t repeat with a gun to my head, but that’s not what this is about

this is about some incredibly popular blogs on here that are either violently hateful towards palestinians, or they are mutuals with those people and don’t see that as enough of a problem to even unfollow let alone block & denounce them.

anyway i can’t link links in the original post but i have a lot of receipts reblogged to @disgustingechoes feel free to have a peruse if you are unconvinced

[jewish-vents]

i'm so tired of antizionists saying that zionists have made the word antisemitism meaningless as a way to brush off accusations of jewhate when they're doing their level best to rob zionism of any coherent meaning. in 140 years of jewish zionism (or 2000+ if one thinks of pesach as a form of zionism - ie jews returning to their indigenous homeland after years in exile), there have been nearly 100 years of nazis and communists using zionism as a dogwistle slur to politicize their jewhate and christians appropriating the word zionism to larp out the end days on top of the many different zionist parties that have grown in israel itself, and modern antizionists acknowledge NONE of that

i've never considered myself a zionist except in that most ancient sense, but 7 months ago when i saw former friends start really complaining about "zionists", the hair on the back of my neck stood up. i talked myself down, sure that they were just ignorant and blurring the lines between the likud party and all self-described zionists, but that ignorance has become so much worse, because sure enough it's come right back around to be used as a cudgel against any jew who poses a threat to The Party Line

if antisemitism has become meaningless, then i'm going back to good old fashioned jewhate, and i think anyone who can't give a reason to be antizionist that doesn't acknowledge the many uses is full of it. opposing zionism "in all its forms" is jewhate, plain and simple

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[determinate-negation]

i think i remember you posting not soon after october 7th that you felt alone as an antizionist nonreligious jew. are you still feeling the same way?

you might be mixing me up with someone else, i dont think i said that. honestly i dont feel alone (then or now) because most of my close friends are people i met through jewish voice for peace and other organizing. even all of my other jewish coworkers are anti zionist. its a pretty common political belief among younger american jews in fact. more than anything im just frustrated for this to be constantly erased and have us be used as pawns for imperialist political aims and for jewish institutions to go along with it

[sheydgarden]

do you know of any other antizionist artists who make jewish/judaica art, especially handmade stuff? my antizionist jewish friend is looking for stuff to put on her wedding registry and obv doesnt want her money funding genocide

yes, i absolutely do - but unfortunately there isn't (to my knowledge) a handy list of avowedly anti-zionist Jewish artists/shops, for the obvious reason that something like that would put most of us in danger of harassment or worse. i hesitate to make public recommendations on that qualification for the same reason, & also because not everyone feels the same way about the word/label even if our politics are similar.

what i can happily do is point you towards my friend's Judaica distro - i'm linking to the Instagram page rather than the website because they've worked with a lot of artists in various places via pop-up shows & scrolling the gallery is a good way to get a lot more names than just whoever's in stock right now in the shop section. most (probably not all, but at least a very large percentage) of the artists you can find this way are either openly & proudly anti-zionist or non-zionist. you and/or your friend can scroll & see if anyone's work catches your eye, then find that person's individual account or website to see if a) they have any clear political stance & b) they're selling things currently. it's a bit more work but there's a lot of good stuff out there.

i'm also happy to make individual, private recommendations based on type of work - for example if you DM'd me looking for anti-zionist Jewish ceramicists or candlemakers i could give you names right away. lots of folks i know would probably be happy to be recommended publicly as anti-zionist artists - i certainly am - but i don't want to make that decision for anyone else. i know people personally who have lost their jobs over speaking out publicly against Israel, & not everyone is in a position to be loud/visible that way even if they are doing other things quietly or behind the scenes to support Palestine. best of luck!

[weemietime]

Ok so reading through some posts from some people and I've noticed a lumping in of anti-zionists and anti-semites into the same camp or framing it as only antisemites are in that camp.

which I this is unneeded like I'm blind obviously a large number of people are using anti-zionism a cover for their anti-semitic beliefs but I don't think that bad actors using this wave of criticism for Israel as a opportunity to say and doing horrifically anti-semitic thing.

just like people using this new wave of criticism toward Hamas and the various groups fighting against the IDF as a cover for their Islamophobic and anti Palestinian and anti Arab racism should not be held as the only voice in the Zionist camp.

this isn't some sort of "Hey actually all those anti semitic people are really tiny and are just a very loud minority" again like I said, I'm not blind I can see that they aren't and and they probably aren't going anywhere either but, also saying that the only way someone could find what Israel is doing is if their anti semite just wrong, like yeah Israel is often held to a higher standard for being a Jewish nation and for looking like a western (white looking) nation which is obviously wrong.

if this is anyway anti-semitic idk sorry I guess, also read that pinned post thing and yes Russia is committing a genocide and yes they should be booted from the UNSC

So I don't read this as being antisemitic in and of itself, under the assumption you're engaging in good faith. There are ways to be antizionist that aren't antisemitic, but the vast majority of uneducated people with whom I have a problem with saying "I'm not antisemitic, just antizionist" is that in the next sentence they'll be demanding Israelis must go back to Poland or else be complicit in genocide.

Really, it's stuff like that which I focus on. People just asking questions or offering legitimate criticism aren't being antisemitic. I spend a lot of my time criticizing Israel for shit as well. A woman I really respect used to work at the military prison and always said, "people think you should be hard on your enemies when they do wrong. No, we should be harder on our friends." and I agree with that.

Is it fair? To always have to be the better person and always be the peacemaker and always do the right thing while people give our enemies a free pass to literally kill us openly in the streets? Nope, it's not fair. But we knew this when we accepted the Torah at Sinai. Life as a Jewish person isn't fair, and our obligations are many and often painful. Is it just, though? I'd say yes. We must continue to try and extend our hand to our enemies.

And with regards to the Russia genocide question there's actually a good reason why I use this as an example. 1) let's say we actually put Russia and Israel on the same playing ground. Israel just attacked Gaza for no reason to annex a bunch of land because Palestinians are really Jews and Israel is entitled to Gaza.

Even if we accept this at face value, the way that people talk about Israel and Jews is fundamentally different than the way people talk about Russia and Russians. It's the double standard that makes it antisemitism, not the actions people are saying we've done.

Even if Israel was 100% unequivocally the villain, which I don't believe is true because quite frankly they weren't the belligerents and never have been, it would still be a double standard. Because the fact of the matter is, people didn't accuse Russia of genocide and people didn't call for Putin to be ejected. People didn't protest en masse and shut down universities and refuse to be friends with Russians.

And 2) In fact people spout actual Russia propaganda and sign off with "shout out to Joseph Stalin" out one side their mouth while the other says "Genocide is bad." Stalin is responsible for killing at least 9 million people, so it's not killing they have a problem with.

[scartale-an-undertale-au]

So i returned to discord to find out jewish anti zionist (the worst kind of jews out there) had attacked my friend, actively created libel against her calling her 'radfem' despite her being no where near that because she a fucking normal human being, used her trauma as a meme, and discredited her and mass blocked her here.

She was one of the last few sane people here. One who actually gave a damn about sources and being thorough in their research. She was pushed out of tumblr and discord because of those monsters. Because those monsters decided to go after prominent zionist jews.

It all happened during shabbat, a time i was not around for being an observer of shabbat. I wish i was able to know in advance in happened so i could defend her.

To all those jewish antizionists, denounce your judaism right now. You have no place in our family. You are the worst of the worst, those who sells out their own siblings for a few likes.

May your lives be filled with all the sorrows you had made fun of. May your lives be nothing but a constant reminder of how your actions could have cost lives. May you never know rest of your depraved cruelty.

[spacelazarwolf]

1. i haven’t said anything that’s anti palestinian. i haven’t talked about palestinians other than to acknowledge that they’re under israeli occupation, are being oppressed, and have protested hamas. but my guess is that you consider criticism of hamas and condemnation of civilian death to be anti palestinian.

2. i put zionist in quotes because they weren’t talking about people who are zionists. someone in the chat (not a group chat of friends, a group of local activists) mentioned that a protest for palestine that had been posted in the chat was not legit, and then said that it must have been created by “zionists” to endanger protesters. i asked what they meant by “zionists” and someone law sent several screenshots from an instagram account that literally had tankie in the name. i said in the chat that the assumption it was “zionists” was problematic because of the history of using “zionist” as a dogwhistle, and that unless we could identify a specific person or group that was objectively zionist it was not in good taste to say things like that. the person agreed and moved on.

3. i’m not “threatened by opposition to zionism” you absolute fucking moron i have multiple posts on my blog that are in opposition to zionism. the reason i do not want to be labeled as a zionist is not because i’m a secret cryptozionist who is trying to trick people, it’s because 1. i am literally not a zionist, and 2. there is mountains of historical evidence of jews being falsely labeled as zionists in places like iraq and the ussr in order to harass or persecute them. it still happens today, and you have literally been doing it to me since your first post about me which wasn’t even prompted by any opinions of mine that had to do with israel or zionism. you made your first post about me and lied about me being a zionist because you disagreed about something i said about gender. if i was not jewish, you would not have called me a zionist. you have not done this with any other trans men and mascs who are not jewish.

4. i cannot win. it doesn’t matter what i say or do, whether or not i call myself an antizionist or zionist or neither or something else, what my politics are, nothing matters because as long as you dislike me i will always be a zionist to you. as long as i say anything at all that you don’t like or disagree with, i will be a zionist to you. because you are using zionist to mean “jew i don’t like and think deserves to be harassed.”

THIS is why i am so staunchly against being labeled as a zionist. not only because i resent being given a label that does not align with my political beliefs, but because it puts a target on my back. it makes any antisemitism or violence i face justified. but you know that. that’s why you did it.

[aguineapigcouldntdothis]

ok ive changed my mind on some shit anyway i am a LOT more anti-antizionist than before. i still support the right for jewish people to be antizionist, but i dont agree with them whatsoever and i find nothing good in a movement intended to dissolve the homeland of jewish people.

do i think every antizionist is bad? fuck no i dont! will i stop being friends with antizionists i already know? nope! will i force people to become zionists? no way! simply put i just give a lot of shits about israeli jews and i want them to have a country to live in and i dont think anyone who disagrees with that is doing it for the good of jewish people. if i, a diasporic jew and a zionist, says that im fine with antizionism then what kind of pathetic hypocrite am i? im not fine with it at all and i do not respect how it's a movement built to hurt half of the world's jewish population.

i will not change my behavior towards antizionists, i will not attack or belittle anyone, i will not seek them out, none of that happens here. i just thought this should be a thing i mention bc i do talk about zionism fairly regularly on here! i will be a lot more critical of antizionism in the future, though :)

[spot-the-antisemitism]

Why do totally-not-antisemitic-guys-im-just-antizionist people always respond to "mmm have you considered that that's not what it means" with "I ain't reading all that 🤣😂"??

"i refuse to read anything that I don't already agree with"! Why do people act like this is a flex or some sort of devastating take down? And not something... pathetic.

This shit drives me insane I like many other people was fed the "genocidal baby killer" definition of "zionist" and you know what i did when i realized thats not how Jewish people were using it. You know what i did. I fucking paid attention to what they were saying and looked it up on my own. And it wasn't even difficult.

Crying screaming throwing up hitting my head in the wall etc.

Anyways, here's a photo of my bunny plushie. i cuddle it when I need to calm down from an anxiety attack. Which is pretty frequently lately👍

Dear awnowI'msad (yeah I bet you are),

These are all thought stopping techniques designed to keep them in the cult

I'm sorry you also lost all your fandom friends to the pro-pal cult

Sincerely

Cecil

[fairuzfan]

It's the zionist concern anon again. I will say for now that with what you said about prioritizing Palestinians I do agree. The people going through a genocide are a bigger priority than people who are not going through a genocide. I just fear that due to the fact I am neither Palestinian or Jewish that I may end up embracing stances that I do not actually understand and that innocent people may suffer because of it. I do not want to be irresponsible. I am also someone who lives in a country built on stolen land, so that does to some sort of extent influence my feelings on Isreal as I imagine many people in Isreal share my thoughts on the fact we have lived our entire lives on stolen land. As I said before, I also do not know any Palestinians personally so I find it hard to know who I can ask about the history, Hamas, technical details of politics, etc without risking being taught the wrong things. On a much more selfish note, I also struggle with debilitating mental health issues that make it very difficult to navigate moral issues especially if the moral issues do not impact me on a personal level. So if I am being honest, my questions are not entirely selfless as I have very self-centered fears on if I am actually a horrible person. I thank you again for being so understanding, but I figure the right thing to do here is admit I am likely not as pure intentioned in my questions as I should be when a large factor to why I worked up the courage to ask is in hope I am worrying too much about my quality of moral character from a selfish perspective. Again, I thank you for being so understanding and willing to answer these asks instead of just brushing me off as a horrible zionist.

I don't think you're a horrible person at all I just think everyone has underlying zionist biases because it's a product of the society we live in.

And I do understand where you're coming from, honestly. Something that always helps me is remembering something that my parents taught me as a kid: always stand on the side of the oppressed. Now as I grew up I realized you have to define what oppression means and I think exploring that will also help you get a better understanding of how to combat other forms of racism/antisemitism/transphobia/etc.

If you do want to learn about hamas tho, I would suggest taking a look at Tareq Baconi, he has a lot of writings about the history of Hamas and he's Palestinian. There are also Palestinian podcasts and social media accounts. I understand that not knowing a palestinian personally to help you guide yourself through these things is daunting, but there are plenty of resources to help! It's why I'm here on this blog honestly, I don't mind you reaching out to me for questions or anything.

A good principle to remind ourselves with is "how can I ensure that justice can be had?" And to find the answer to that you need to look into multiple types of antizionist thought. Some blogs I like to check out for a diverse antizionist opinion are @el-shab-hussein and @bringmemyrocks as a couple of examples. Plus I'd look to Black American thinkers on antiracism (like Angela Davis and James Baldwin and Kwame Ture) because they do a good job of showing you how to examine your internal biases which we are all subject to.

I don't think this selfish to want to be a good person. I have the same worries. I actually do get worried that sometimes I'm *actually* a bad person secretly without me realizing and I reach out to friends and family to talk it out. Something that helps me through this is realizing that you have to forgive yourself for previous beliefs you've had and promise yourself to do better because at the end of the day youre human and you make mistakes.

But really my biggest advice is to read and listen to a variety of schools of thought and if you can, interact with local communities dedicated to antiracism. Even if theyre digital communities! That will help a lot with identifying any problem points.

Again, feel free to reach out with any questions. I don't think you're a zionist at all! Please don't worry and thanks for reaching out :)