#TW Grooming mention

[charlie-artlie]

this is so stupid i’m sorry

[kiwisandpearls]

“This fiction could be used to groom minors!”

I hate to break this to you but literally any type of fiction can be used to groom minors. Even “unproblematic” fiction.

[ghxst-system]

"The future is plural" movement from endos is CONCERNING

regardless of the fact they do not believe you require trauma to be a system (medically impossible) this proves they want to groom kids into identifying as endo and spread their medical misinformation further.

as well as causing real systems to believe they dont have it bad enough to be "traumagenic" (the only "genic you can be. this language is bullshit im just using these terms to explain their shit), preventing them from getting real help. they are WIDELY anti-recovery.

their misinformation has ALREADY endangered real systems medically as they have made professionals skeptical of a medically proven disorder, a disorder that is already very stigmatised.

outside of just endogenic misinformation, this statement leads to the idea that they want to traumatise kids to make more systems.

ENDOS ARE FUCKING DANGEROUS

[shentheauthor]

PSA for kids on the internet:

I know a lot of y’all look at nsfw content. It’s not good to be in those spaces (because you’re intruding on adult spaces made for adults, by adults, and it’s uncomfortable), but that’s just how kids are sometimes (source: I did that as a kid). It’s inevitable.

The thing is, you should NOT be talking to adults about it. If you break the clear 18+ boundaries people set, that’s YOUR business, and you should NEVER be comfortable discussing sexual topics with adults. I’m being so serious.

It’s never, ever your fault if you’re groomed. The thing is, gross adults will take advantage of you if you make it clear that you are a minor exploring nsfw topics. They see that, and they think you’re an easy target.

As for adults who are uncomfortable with kids seeing their nsfw work, the best we can do is block ageless accounts and minors who announce that they are minors. That’s not enough. You need to keep yourself safe as much as we need to keep you safe.

I care about this stuff a lot. I narrowly dodged a lot of horrible experiences, and it still took me years to deconstruct the harmful things I started internalizing because I was unrestricted on the internet. I got lucky. I can’t say the same for a lot of other people.

Statistically, you will not get lucky if you are a child on the internet. Stay safe.

Also, grooming isn’t strictly for pedophiles. Grooming is when people foster an environment where a vulnerable party (ie children) gets comfortable with an inappropriate relationship. The exploitation doesn’t have to be sexual. It can be an ego thing, or for money, or any number of things. It’s hard to accept that the person you care about is a groomer, and it’s even harder when people fundamentally misunderstand the definition of grooming.

A child can groom another child. An adult can groom another adult. It’s about exploitation, not necessarily age.

Stay safe out there, guys. They don’t teach internet safety like they used to.

[poppy-metal]

sm so tragic about being the girl who fills patricks void while art and tashi are married and pretending he doesn't exist. you do everything for him, let him do everything to you, make him feel wanted and needed. but when he gets art and tashi back - where does that leave you? does he throw you away? bring you in? keep you for himself? daddys girl - and he's just another older man who won't love you. daddy's girl when you were never his anything. late night's rocking back and forth on his lap, filled to the brim on his fat cock, nodding desperately when he'd say things like "you like that? show me - show daddy how much you love it, baby." mean nothing now that he doesn't have that hole in his chest anymore that needed to be filled with the tight sensation of your pussy around him and your sweet cries reassuring him that he was needed -

that's fine. you're used to it by now. you were used to it when you were nine your real dad left, and when you were 15 and the uncle who touched you innapropitely got found out and sent away, and when you were 18 and let a stranger fuck you in a bathroom stall and left with a pat on your ass, and when you were 19 and bouncing on your professors cock and he filled your head with promises of how he'd leave his wife for you only for him to turn his lip at you in disgust when the time came for him to keep those promises, and now - at twenty - when you'd crashed into patricks life and into his bed and you thought if you only loved him enough with your pussy and with your devotion he'd stay and love you back - it hurts.

daddys girl with no daddy. you'd just have to find another one, then.

(and if patrick worries about you after he leaves you - he tries not to think about it. he's not your fuckin' father, he never was - it was just a casual sex thing. it served it's purpose. but he thinks about you, between art and tashi at night, he thinks about the pink ribbons in your hair and your thigh highs and your bubbly personality and he thinks of all the nasty men that will be eager to take his place and see you on your knees - his jaw ticks and he tries not to think about it. you're a grown woman, at the end of the day. despite your raging daddy issues and want to be dominated - you weren't his concern.)

(then why did his heart speed up with anxiety when you didn't respond to his 'just checkin' on you.' text? why did his knee bounce next to art when he should be relaxed? why did he chew on his nails with tashi when he should be 100% focused on her? he can't stop looking at the empty spot in their bed that you would fit into, if you were there.)

[feelingemotjons]

STOP DEPICTING FAT PEOPLE AS RICH ASSHOLES

STOP DEPICTING FAT PEOPLE AS LOUD AND "ANNOYING"

STOP DEPICTING FAT PEOPLE AS GROOMERS/PEDOPHILES

STOP DEPICTING FAT PEOPLE AS STALKERS/CREEPS

STOP DEPICTING FAT PEOPLE AS "DISGUSTING" AND "UNLOVEABLE"

STOP DEPICTING FAT PEOPLE AS "ANNOYING" THIRDWHEELS

STOP DEPICTING FAT PEOPLE AS BIGOTS

STOP DEPICTING FAT PEOPLE AS SELFISH AND RUDE

STOP DEPICTING CONFIDENT FAT PEOPLE AS "PICK MES" OR "WEIRDOS"

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP MAKING YOUR FAT CHARACTERS LOSE WEIGHT FOR THEM TO HAVE A "HAPPY ENDING"

[meeb-motes]

Can you do aac emojis abt gr00ming? We go nonverbal sometimes when talking abt out gr00mer.

Non /sx grooming and /sx grooming emojis .

We are a victim of grooming so these are based on our experience , hopefully it’s ok ! also sorry if it isn’t as high quality art as usual , we are very burnt out ^.^

requests are open

-F2/🍁

[seasidealliums]

Guys we probably shouldn’t be saying shit like Tommy and WS friendship was grooming especially as people who know very little about their ex-friendship and we are in no right to claim that it was or wasn’t. The only person who should be confirming if it was is Tommy and Tommy alone. We don’t know the full story, and we aren’t his fuckin therapist.

If he comes out to say it was then we support him, if he says it wasn’t or never comes out if it was or not then we shouldn’t force him and accept what he said. This is a real human guy who has bills and taxes to pay, we aren’t owe any of his personal life

[spacedustmantis]

here we go. originally we said we would not talk about this. we would not draw attention to it. we would wait for it to blow over. but a lot of misinformation has spread and a lot of us feel like it's getting to a critical point.

us being the members of the recently highly controversial anti-censorship jrwi discord server.

i would have reblogged this from @rantarang's most recent reblog but sadly further up the rb chain are screenshots with doxxed information about a lot of my friends and i, so i will not be reblogging that post. do not go looking for it. you can base your opinion off of what information has been given without rewarding a severe invasion and violation of privacy, regardless of what you think of us.

the events that have transpired are as following: a post is made criticizing and warning about the bitb zine (which has since been canceled). as a reaction to this a tumblr user decides to investigate into the people behind it, despite the original poster censoring the names and urls of the mods, and finds this server. they infiltrate it, lying to the mod to gain access, and then proceed to screenshot and post the entire members list (meaning display names and pfps of every single person who might or might not be active in this server) plus some further personal information about certain people and private conversations.

they do not care to find out if any of these people are minors before they expose parts of our private contact information and call us degenerates and accuse us of grooming, and then they ask the people to please tell them if anyone is a minor so they can be "protected".

this, btw, is illegal. spreading personal information and private conversations with the intent to harm (even if it's "just" defamation), especially on the internet, is very much illegal. what matters more of course is that it is incredibly dangerous, opening up a lot of people - whether you see them as gross perverts or not - to brutal harassment and at the very least, as was intended by the infiltrator, extreme alienation. i mention that it's illegal for reasons that will become apparent.

now. this could have been it. pretty catastrophic and dangerous but an isolated incident. but people do what they do best. they talk and converse and assume and things get lost in translation.

i decided to write this and talked about it with some people in this server after i read up on the conversation underneath that post by rantarang and @tigers1o1.

one of the first things to set straight is that the zine is not the same thing as the server and besides some of the same people being involved and existing in the same fandom actually has no connection to it whatsoever.

i do not know a lot about the zine. i will not be the one to talk about that.

next thing, none of our mods are underage. this was a misunderstanding due to the zine having an underage mod, who afaik explicitly doesn't engage with any nsfw content.

and now for the big one. we have been accused of grooming and harassing minors. we have been called criminals. we have been accused of illegal actions. this is all not true. i understand where that assumption can come from, but assumptions are not truth.

let me talk a bit about my experience on this server.

i joined mostly because it was a server one of my friends advertised. i was aware it was going to include topics that i wasn't entirely comfortable with so i was hesitant to join, but i did.

what i found was one of the most impressive discord servers i'd ever seen in regards to moderation. coming in at first you do not see anything beyond the rules section and some other administrative channels. you are required to read the rules and to react to the post so you can even just get to see the chatting channel.

furthermore, once you go through the vetting process (which is as noninvasive as possible since internet safety is a thing we are very conscious of), you can only view channels that are free of any potentially triggering content (nsfw, gore, underage, drugs and more) until you look through the roles available and choose which ones you would like to see. you have to actively click a labeled button and then find and enter the channel you chose to be able to actually see, before you get to any potentially dark and/or triggering content.

not only that, but any and all talk about ships, even the purely romantic/nonsexual kind, is relegated to their own personal threads, which require you to agree to see topics that might be relevant (for example, violence or gore and death for emizel/gabriel) and allow you to simply not have to see or engage with any ships that you might find bad, annoying, triggering, or whatever else.

so NO, we do not invite children into the server where they are immediately blasted with pedophilia or SA against their will.

i personally chose to be able to access some of these darker channels mostly out of curiosity. i don't really take part in them, i don't chat in them and i don't read every single message. but i still get a good feeling what these conversations are mostly about. fictional characters experiencing bad shit, or maybe fictional characters doing bad shit. or maybe, god forbid, someone engaging with a kink of their's in what is clearly labeled as a kink space.

i have been in this server from quite early on. i have seen a lot of stuff that has happened there. not once have i witnessed inappropriate behavior between two people. not once have i picked up on any behavior indicative of manipulation or grooming or SA.

the people in this server are mostly just... friends. people hanging out in a space that allows them to talk about topics that might upset some in a way that spares those who would be upset from seeing it. a space that allows you to see and read exactly what you want and nothing more. a space that is really really fucking well moderated. i am not kidding we are strict about putting warnings on stuff, about posting in the correct channels.

and finally the minor issue. that is the issue of minors. i mentioned earlier that our vetting system is intentionally noninvasive. we do not ask for any personal identification. we do not ask for any proof that you are well meaning (how would that even work?), and most importantly we do not ask for people's ages.

this is for two reasons.

a) DO NOT GIVE STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET THAT KIND OF INFORMATION JESUS CHRIST!! DO NOT ASK PEOPLE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION! STOP NORMALIZING MINORS OPENLY ADVERTISING THEMSELVES AS MINORS, THAT IS LITERALLY INTERNET SAFETY 101 OH MY GOD!!!

and with that out of the way, b) we could never enforce this anyways. you want us to ask for driver's licenses? fucking passports? people lie. children lie, teens lie, we know this. ask literally anyone who's ever tried to keep an online space free from people under any age. instagram is 13+, and do you know how many people i know who lied about their age to get access to that? too fucking many to count.

telling us to keep our space free of minors is a wasted effort. it's annoying but it's true.

all we can do is be explicit about what kind of content people could face and trust them to act accordingly to their own comfort levels.

and, to be quite honest, while i personally (and many other members) have expressed discomfort with the idea of sharing certain, more sexual parts of this server with minors, the truth is that it's not actually the end of the world if one stumbles across those parts, whether on purpose, by accident, or by stupid mistake. it might be uncomfortable and it might cause issues, but that's life.

life sometimes is uncomfortable, and there might sometimes be issues. again, to try and erase all those potential issues or discomforts from life is pointless. it will never work that way no matter how bad we want it.

ultimately i strongly believe that if a minor were to find themself in conversations about darker or more taboo topics, the people that frequent this server would never even think to bring them harm. i cannot reiterate enough that each and every single one of us is strongly against any kind of sexual violence outside of the fictional realm; in real life.

and that's where we are. in real life. which if you'll remember is actually different from playing pretend. no actual harm has been done to anyone. every single person who was confronted with these topics has volunteered for it. every single person who has read what was said in these channels gave their explicit consent.

that is, until our member list was leaked and the content we worked hard to keep safely separated and tagged was posted against our will on the internet and forced upon an absurd amount of strangers who never agreed to get involved.

we never once put anyone in harm's way, unlike you did.

and since it seems so important to you, we never once did anything illegal. unlike you did.

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i apologize that this got so long, but there was a lot to set straight. if you got to the end, thank you for indulging me.

again, do not seek out the person who leaked our info, and do not seek out the list itself. we sadly cannot unleak it but it would mean a lot if you didn't pass it around any more than people already have, even if you don't agree with me.

i would also like to say that while i did converse with some of the other members and am fairly confident that most of them would agree with me, all of this is my own opinion, do not make the mistake of extrapolating it to the server at large.

and if you saw the initial callout post and agreed with it, i don't blame you. the internet is a scary place and seeing these events framed in such a way is certainly frightening. but keep in mind that as long as you don't see hard proof, please do not "call out" anybody. and for god's sake do not post private information on tumblr! there could be real harm done here and i don't think anyone actually wants that.

thank you again for reading this, i hope it can settle some things.

love, monty

[10piecechickenmcnugget]

dream stans still baffle me it’s just. at what point does it get too much for you? at what point is the line crossed? i know there’s nothing i can say that hasn’t been said before but.

the allegations just keep coming out. the things he did on stream to tommy, to tubbo, to tubbos 14 year old sister. he took advantage of people who were supposed to be his friends, more and more victims keep coming out about what he did. there’s solid fucking evidence, and a lot of it.

all his friends are leaving him. do you think it’s just some big elaborate prank? that everyone collectively is just making this up?

at what point is it too much for you to defend him? cause if you haven’t reached that point by now, i don’t even know what to say.

[purpleflameb0i]

A slightly rushed comic about how some of the headmates need a little reminder from time to time.

-O (he/him)

[ID: A five panel, black and white comic featuring LL and O. LL is a bug, and has a circular head, two wide eyes, no mouth, a cloak, and two antennas. O is a human, and has long fluffy hair, rectangular glasses, a mustache, and a sweater. In the first panel, LL is sitting down. She has tears in her eyes, and a thought bubble next to her says, "It's only emotional neglect and abuse." The second panel shows her still sitting, her eyes slightly closed in sadness. The thought bubble says, "The grooming was only two weeks." The third panel shows her with her eyes closed, and O leaning over at her side. He's looking at her. Her thought bubble says "It was only..." The fourth panel shows O with his hand on LL's shoulder, with LL looking startled; her eyes wide open. O has a speech bubble that says, "Hey." The fifth panel is some text reading, "Your trauma was enough." End ID]

[thelunarsystemwrites]

Notice.

I'm starting to get REALLY uncomfortable w/ pro/comship neutrals. If you directly interact w/ comship/people who are pro/comshp, and are aware of it, even if you say you're neutral, you will be blocked. I figured I'd give a heads up. I know it's fiction, I'm fully aware it's not real. But those types of ships make me uncomfortable, and I owe nobody an apology for blocking, it's not personal. They have their space, I have mine. And that's okay.

And honestly I regret not blocking 'neutrals' in the first place. (AKA those who condone pro/comship, those who reblog it, or interact with very openly pro/comship creators.)

Also: To anyone whose friends, a follower, or close with flowey-the-lanternflower55. You may be blocked. Not only did she make disgusting comments about a dear moot of mine, I still do not fully believe they're a minor, and she's com/proship. (If you're having trouble breaking off a friendship w/ her because you knew her before all the shit went down, you can DM me I'll help you block if you want.)

"But lunar! She apologized and is working on being a better person!!" Great, I'm proud of that. But even so, she'll have to live with the consequences of their actions: Nobody owes her their forgiveness, I do not owe them my forgiveness. None of my moots/followers owe them forgiveness. I'm glad they're changing for the better, but I don't want people who interact with them, interacting with me. I don't want people who are okay with pro/comship on my blog.

Your interests may not effect me, but I'm more than welcome to block when they're a huge discomfort for me.

[ratunderneathahat]

I sort of blame the watering down of terms like "trauma" and "grooming" and "pedo" for antis believing talking a walk or talking to friends will work as a coping mechanism over darkships/in general venting onto fictional characters.

[wc-confessions]

i think people have valid reasons not to like ivypool (esp her treatment towards dovewing as an adult), but the way that some ppl talk about her as though she is evil incarnate is a little concerning. especially since a lot of her behaviors stems from the trauma of being groomed by hawkfrost to train in cat hell since she was a child and him manipulating her into isolating herself from her sister. yet for some reason they have an easier time forgiving (usually male) characters like breezepelt for his literal crimes and acknowledging that he was groomed and manipulated, even though ivypool essentially went through the same thing. i dont really see it as much anymore thankfully and it seems to have only happened when news of her becoming deputy came out but it will never not feel weird to me. ivypool girl, they will never make me hate you!!!

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[yooniesim]

Hi uh, I hope it's okay to ask, but which creator are you referring to? Because the whole cp thing is kind of a huge accusation and I'm definitely not comfortable with supporting someone who's into that kind of stuff

tianshii88/rentbunny/zhuhaitang/yin-shimo

to be clear it's not csam (real children) it's fictional (drawn & in sims), but they're extremely creepy as a person & remind me of abusers in my past that exposed me to that same fictional material as a child. it's common for those that do have bad intentions to use it to blur the lines/make minors feel like it's normal/okay so that they're easier to groom & abuse. this isn't something that everyone that consumes this content does, obviously, but the amount of times they specifically have had questionable boundaries raises red flags for me. (Having a minor character in a fetish pose in a preview on a blog they specifically allowed minors to follow for cc, defending that by saying the original mangaka posed the character that way first so it was his fault not theirs, having a discord server with a dead dove channel that minors could access & saying it was ok bc they had to use a react role to get in, calling survivors that were uncomfortable with this crybabies, puritans & dumbasses, etc)

I never could finish the full post i was making about them bc it was frankly pretty triggering to me & I was dealing with my father's passing at the time, but I still have the screenshots despite them changing their name multiple times, wiping their blog of everything & changing their pinned to be 18+ only. There's also other people that have called them out for certain things (like the pose incident) before in the past. I'm not saying they're a predator or child abuser, since I know they'll jump to that immediately- but I am saying they're creepy and their history of a lack of solid boundaries between minors & the adult content they consume is irresponsible and unacceptable. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable having them in the same spaces as minors in this community. I personally blocked them a long time ago when they were rentbunny bc I saw they (as a non-black person) liked posts that were calling me a c*on and telling me to kms, but the full extent of all the rest that was brought to my attention was staggering tbh.

When I figured out they were in my server at the time (members came to me with the proof & said they were uncomfortable/triggered), I banned them silently. They responded by publicly harassing me for weeks and claiming that I had bullied them. They openly admitted they had only been in my server with the aim of baiting people into talking about them, and then posted screenshots of... people saying their cc was too high poly, had too many swatches for their liking, and someone editing the buns off one of their hairs for personal use. And they listed off usernames of people that had never mentioned them/were not active, purely with the goal to get others to attack them. They also mocked me for being in mourning for my father that had just passed, and after I had blocked them continued to make passive aggressive references to my grief. And this isn't even counting all the cc issues, taking money for commissions & ghosting the commissioners for months, and miscellaneous bigotry & bad behavior they've been involved in. This is all now deleted & they changed their username to yin-shimo directly after acting a complete fool towards me. But none of my posts are deleted, and I didn't forget. A lot of other people haven't either. So overall, I think they have bigger issues in their own house to focus on before worrying about someone else's cc dress.

[god-offical]

For some context for a lot of the things that have been said about me.

TW: SA, Grooming (I didn’t do it and neither did Leaf just so that’s clear)

What happened is a few days ago a friend of mine was banned from a server that had all my online friends for trying to groom another member of the server. I was doing other things at the time and had the channel where it went down muted so I had no clue. I learned about it via a tumblr post and wanted the full details just so I could stay informed. I did a bad job of explaining my position on the matter (which was just neutral because I’m a dumbass and I’ll be the first to admit that) then things got heated, and it went from a conversation about that to Leaf and the rest of the friend group telling me that I was a shitty person for that and numerous other reasons. (their complaints were fair) Leaf went on about how they and many other server members had been planning that for at least a month and how I had ignored Leaf, broken all her boundaries and caused them immense mental pain when I had not known I had caused those things. Once it was over I left the server.

They have since continued to harass me via Tumblr when I have asked to be left alone and reaffirmed that I know what I did and am intent on fixing that behavior.

They have also sent anonymous DMs to and threatened people who have stood up for me, sent hatemail to me, and not left me alone when I was asked to get out of their lives and leave them alone.

In short, everyone in this situation has acted petty and I encourage you to look at both sides of the situation before you make a decision of your own, and I sorry this has spilled over into Tumblr when we all could’ve ended this civilly.

I apologize to Leaf for how much I hurt them, I wish I had never done the things I did and I hope that they live a happy life away from me for their own good.

Attached below are screenshots from both sides of the argument so that you all have multiple viewpoints and aren’t just listening to me for everything.