#IT'S SO WEIRD IT'S ALL SO WEIRD why cant ppl just be normal about gay men and gay sex omfgšŸ™
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mwagneto Ā· 1 year ago
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you're so right about the gomens genitals thing bestie, and the 'effort' thing gives me the ick so much it's unreal
no legittttt i didn't go into it in that post coz that wasn't the point there but it's sooo fucking bizarre like EVEN IF i believe they dont have genitals which i just. straight up dont coz that's weird as shit like why wouldn't they. they have human bodies why wouldn't theyšŸ˜­ but anyway even if I believed that, this like. insistence of having them refer to their privates as Effort and "making an effort" is literally sooo. extremely weird like it's ONE LINE in a 30 year old book that's just how the writer decided to phrase it lmfao i have no idea why anyone thinks the characters themselves would call it that šŸ˜­ but again it never even read like that to me and at the end of the day it's just a homophobic copout that allowed them to call their characters slurs without having to say they're actually gay fr so why does it even matter.
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dhmis-autism Ā· 6 months ago
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whatā€™s the biggest mischaracterisation of each character that you feel like you ā€˜sufferā€™ from the most? obviously no disrespect to ppl who do characterise them in certain ways! :] this is just out of curiosityā€¦your thoughts are so intriguing:]
I am so sorry I am about to get so unbelievably bitchy and prissy and fussy. I have thought SO much about this question and I have also SEEN so many interpretations of my boys that I completely disagreed with. Ā Like you said though, clearly, no disrespect to people who characterize them this way! I know I am a very picky, persnickety bitch.
Anyways. Best boy up first.
Ā Duck mischaracterizations that I hate:
- him being super effeminate and given like an hourglass figure and human woman legs. like what.
- him being feminine being like, his whole personality. I loathe when people just start writing him like a super twinky, aave spitting gay. Itā€™s really fucking weird can you all be normal about him wearing a dress ONE time please. LIKE HES JUST A NORMAL GUY. OK. GOD
- written as a bitchy or abusive mother/parental figure ( specifically towards YG. why.)
- him being super loud and just constantly spouting verbal/physical abuse at the other two (girl he is much quieter than you remember and he insults them like. twice. in 6 episodes. get real.)
- I hate hate hate when people act like RG is his whole world and have him ignore YG/act like he doesnt exist
- him being written as deliberately manipulating the other two, sometimes even like. physically self-harming in order to do so?? like oh my god. he would NOT fucking do that.
- him being written as totally HATING yellow guy and just constantly acting like hes a burden (Iā€™ll actually kill over this one. how dare you. biting)
- weird thing Iā€™ve noticed where people will make him refer to himself as 'the smart/intelligent one' of the group (something he's never done) but then like. the narrative/author will legitimately treat him like he IS very smart. like. no he is not.
- having him take YGs batteries out of sheer malice / ( ABLEISM(??)) and like. hate.Ā  and somehow forgetting how hard he was freaking out that his friend was different earlier in the episode???????
- him being in a nuclear family situation with red with YG as their "son" . like 1. he is NOT a good dad and would not be a good one. 2. he SAID how he feels about that boy if you cant accept dad dog duo as a dad dog duo you do not deserve them
- writing him as CONSTANTLY ANGRY/PISSED OFF oh it makes me wanna shake people by the shoulders and SCREAM like!! Rewatch the show!! Baker Terry did not give us that bizarre and soft and joyous performance for you to write him like Squidward in a yaoi!!!! Iā€™ll KILL YOU!!!!!!! HE IS AN UPBEAT PESSIMIST!!! A CHEERY DEFEATIST!!!!! Iā€™LL GNAW YOUR BONES TO DUST!!!!
- when people make him skinny. How dare you. How DARE YOU. HOW DARE Y
- when people make him taller than YG. I would be less upset if ā€œthe smallest oneā€ wasnā€™t literally something he was called IN THE SHOW
YG mischaracterizations I hate:
-Him being portrayed as GENUINELY stupid. Yes I know the crew call him that, yes I know other characters call him that, I think itā€™s obvious theyā€™re exaggerating a bit.
-Him being the only one of the three thatā€™s written as incredibly childish (imo, all three of them are a bit childish- but if you write just YG that way, I roll my eyes)
-Him being incredibly passive and soft and nice and conflict avoidant and a huge big pushover crybaby who never fights back or says anything mean.
-When people make it out like heā€™s really bad at art/draws like a child- really ticks me off because we are EXPLICITLY SHOWN IN EPISODE 1 OF THE WEBSERIES THAT HEā€™S GOOD AT ART
-I actually hate when people discount a lot of his talents, ppl acting like he wouldnā€™t be good at music or art when we KNOW HE IS!!!! WE KNOW HE IS!! WHAteever
-Him being socially inept/inadequate ! He is imo the most socially adept out of the 3 of them and the one most likely to thrive among a new friend group
-When people act like. YG with fresh batteries and YG without them are two separate people/have separate personalities??? They are literally the same dude (my good friend Am has a great post on this actually. Here. Read.learn.)
RG mischaracterizations I hate:
-The idea that he is nice. LOL Iā€™m almost joking, but not really. Verbally, heā€™s very barby and I WISH more people would remember that genuinely.
-When heā€™s written as the ONLY voice of reason/ smartest guy in the room. He is not. God help him he is so fucking stupid and goofy and canonically loves Smash Mouth and thinks MAGIC is real.
-Super Hyper Sexy Man with vacuum-sealed abs and a COMPLETELY new personality
I have nothing else for him I donā€™t think of him often.
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prestonmonterey Ā· 11 months ago
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camp here and there thoughts
considered spamming my friend, but instead ill put stuff here.
this is all my thoughts from as im listening to it, btw
sydney and jedidiah are quincent confirmed?!! (not clickbait)
i will literally eat up any character named rowan no questions asked
the first bit with the penguins reminds me of burrows end
one of my favorite silly weird things is time going past the numbers it should (reminds me of everything is fine. i think it was like, the first episode? digital clock goes from 2:59 to 2:60? super cool, love it)
"let us live to dieĀ another day" (will you live to see tomorrow or die another dayyy// once a spy always a spy.... sorry, sorry)
i love that theres emojis in the transscripts
i feel so bad for the vegans at camp
mentions of apocalypse? a character called rowan? (you know what time it is folks: obscure lyric references!!!! (my beautiful apocolypse, if i asked you to be mine, would our purposes align?) again, sorry. ill stop. no i wont.)
woo! sydney feelings hour!
i love syndey telling his tape recorder not to tell anyone about his hallucinations
ok random thing i just noticed the titles have like part of the one before them and part of the one after and thats just pretty cool
why is the sky always bad
sydney being very normal about death and jedidiah bein like 'no' is also very quincent
interesting the 'when you die you will rot' is a recurring thing
sydeys laugh is so cute i love himmm
ok so theres like a spider cabin, moth cabin, ladybug cabin and BATTLE CABIN?
children being bribed by sugar is one of the most realistic parts of this
ok but the distinction between reanimation and true necromancy is actually really cool
sydney as much as i love you why the heck did you say thick like that
(when youre a ghost recorder, no one knows your name, but they wont try to stop you if you arent playing the game)
'our bedroom' actually screaming
the voice acting is such yum
again, sydneys noncholance about death related things
omg gay?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
poor jedidiah is so pathetic and bbg
for the record i hate oposite day too
gasp: a navarro (makes sense shes a tyrant) (im refrencing gentlemens guide to love and murder? i think? i dont even know at this point)
i love that all of ep 5 is sydney being too extra and jedidiah being the most exasperated
ok so maybe the implication is that matthew isnt human, but also ppl can have extra color cones, but only afab ppl bc color cones are in the x chromosome (thats also why men are more likely to be color blind) so trans matthew hc now
sydney are your eyes ok??
justice for sydneys fancy soap
if someone does magic and hurts sydney i will cry
ok so now with confirmation that they use analog clocks i really wana know what they look like
also i was thinking about why the music from last ep reminded me of something v specific and i think its yokai watch?
"babe" ok theyve got to be gay right???
sydneys allergic to seeing goo? interesting
father time? a bastard? omg you know what time it is (hehehe time bastard)
sydney and jedidiah are so cute im actually going to die
aww i want lava cake w real lava :( (fun fact by strange definition water is technicaly a form of lava)
ok so the amount of wholesomeness makes me think something bad is going to happen
"theyre penny loafers :("
rowan rowan rowan rowan rowan rowan!!!
the audio design is so yummy idk if i said that already
(uhh i accidentaly skipped most of ep six so back to that)
(the elephant man is just dead ambrose and sydney is vincent if they werre better at communicating)
"worms arent people" uh, YES THEY ARE, rude.
jedidiah whatever your project is it cant be so important that you havent played chess with your bf in A COUPLE OF YEARS wtf
(ok now to regularly scheduled friendship goo)
sydney calling the camper different animals is one of my favorite things
why is the sky always fucked up
"scary things like...men" sir you are men (but also same i am so scared of men and also are men)
jeDIDiah lmao
"your husband" and sydney just goes with it
ok but why is sydney slowly giving more and more louis taopp vibes (plz dont be like him)
i love casual loredrops about chocolate shortages
"friends" sure.. sure.
ok... so sydney did know that jedidiah had pics of him in his office? bc they used to be on the corkboard/?????
poor bb sydney is sad that his husband isnt telling him things
"[Scoffs]Ā Friend. As if weā€™re notā€¦ weā€™re notā€¦Ā [Sighs]Ā weā€™re not." noo im gonna actually cry (i am- i was... i'm supposed to be the best/ref)
i wanna see sydneys haunted house and skeleton cat drawings :(
"Put the Silly Putty back. You donā€™t need more Silly Putty." (my friends @ me when i watch another musical) (myself @ me when i eat another one of rowans fandoms >:3)
"co-nurse" idk if hes actually the assistant or not but i think sydney calls him that bc control? bc he wants power
also jedidiah uses am and pm which is interesting bc i dont think sydney does
ok now i get why sydney doesnt like joshua
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the trivia sections of fan wikis are my favorite thing on this planet. "it is unknown whether or not the color green exists"
btw they actually mention green eggs and ham in ep 1 so i think its at least a concept
i still hc trans matthew. no fan wiki can take that away from me >:(
juniper daddy issues confirmed??
"Well, we can ā€” petition her!" (i will try to petition my father/ref sorry sorry sorry)
Wait, one more: Cunt.Ā  (uuh, fucker /ref. will anyone even get that one? its filled my brain. i dont remember any quotes before or after... it's taopp. uh, the scene with louis and jason in the hallway or something)
we love sydney trauma dumping 2 mins into an ep
i wonder if he sometimes forgets hes broadcasting to a bunch of middle schoolers
i wonder if joshua knows that middle schoolers arent usually 14
i love that sydney doesnt know what oatmeal is
sydney: if only my husband would play 20 dimensional chess w me :(
"Lucille has a flamethrower. You have to listen to what she says." the only lesson ever
natsume def has parent issues
just remembered that the trees produce defensive slick
i want teethh flowers :(
"and I fear that the end is near." (the end is coming, the end is coming! /ref)
"as sweet, and patient, and motherly, and forgiving as she is" so... not at all?
i love the silly old timey music omg its so fun
gasp cannon date. thats crazy. someone better have a timeline theory bout this.
aww no teeth flowers? :(
im concerned about sorens stones
is the ticking clock new? it feels new
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oh huneee :(
just remembered the notes in the description. thats lore, right? prolly im too lazy to check.
Word to the wise: you ever come across that statue, do not look her in the eyes. (the fact that it rhymes too) (someone should make a cover of a word to the wise but with this line) (please?)
matthew appreciation time
sydney mommy issues?
jesus heck how many cabins are there?
is that what the pebbles were for???? im still scared.
sydney's silly drum roll gives me life
im actually so in love with matthew
sacrificial rituals, yay!
D: can they just be gay and happy? please?
they better get happy >:(
the spooky is rly goodd tho
mommy issues: the episode?
again, we love sydney trauma time before minute 3 of the episode
mila is a theater kid confirmed?!
sydney it seems like theres alot to unpack about your mom...
i dont think i want to know what horn sap is
"Itā€™s all very delightful, b-but quite strange" idk the way he says that line is so vincentcore
im v worried for marie ann
"Donā€™t worry ā€” they arenā€™t real ants. But it is a real log!Ā " honestly id rather eat ants than a whole tree
"bending over to whisper in my ear." sydney is a short king <3
ohh the centipedes
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i love the contrast of ideas its super spooky.
Ā ā€œIā€™ve just got to do better,ā€Ā  (never let yourself rest, they can try to despise you, but not your success) (also ambrose vibes. idk, but like maybe jedidiah has a similar 'if im perfect then people will finally love me' thing goin on?)
Ā ā€œGive me a hard time, okay? We both deserve that.ā€ (more ambrose vibes)
i think hes looking for validation from lucille?
i like that the va's voice patterns makes it clear when hes talking quietly even though the audios still at the same volume
"I know Iā€™ve constructed a few effigies in my time.Ā " (effigies of the god appolo, dickweed /ref)
"There is a clear block of resin on my desk with a centipede inside. He wants to swap places with me. Lately, I am tempted to let him." spooky
(last couple eps had, like, news broadcasts at the beginning? idk if its been like that the whole time, but probably lore stuff.)
o no is it rock time? (also soren sounds like such a cartoon character i cannot get over it)
is mother of stones the reanimation lady from the death fields or whatever?
i love that the only actually vegan thing given to the vegans so far is assorted leaves
i have a feeling that normal day might not be normal...
idk why would worshiping a statue of stones to be reborn into a second life in the middle of the forest be illegal?
ohh its bc normal day i already forgot/
"Ā Un-resurrect? Unā€¦ resurrectā€¦ Were we going to ā€œsurrectā€ the rabbit?" (i prefer 'mercy killing' /ref)
i want juniper and joshua rivals to lovers/rivals to friends content. just putting that out there.
sydney just kill the rabbit
ok the fact that sydney is worried about this death-related thing is really unsettling
aoisfeorgijefmoigjt4ri4tgoirjjitog this is so spooky i love it so much
sydney needs proper therapy
"I know Iā€™m beating a dead horse, but the guy wants something from me, and heĀ doesĀ something to me, and I donā€™t like that he just gets toĀ be aroundĀ no matter how much I protest!" (grace when max)
and it all comes back to control
poor baby boy
:(((((((((((((((((((((((
(poor boy, tormented /ref)
why he bri'ish
nevermind i dont want juniper content anymore
"jeddie, m'boy"
why does anyone like him
yes, yes rowan is handsome
himbo juniper, but i still hate him
"itā€™ll steal all your nutrients until you wither and die!" (its infectious, its deadly, its one to be feared /ref)
"Iā€™ve always wanted to be killed by something that loved me." dont. dont say that sydney.
soren is the dark magic sugar daddy of camp. prove me wrong.
"Would a child really do that? Just come to Summer Camp and tell lies?" yes. they would.
song? song!!!!
if this isnt on the soundtrack imma be pissed
idk how to explain this, but salems voice is really sharp
i certainly dont want to know what ostrich cream is...
if this makes sydney bottle up his feeling and muck up his relationship with jedidiah more im not gonna be happy
(ok so i was just informed that its going to get worse and,, i dont know how to emotionally prepare myself.) (also its past 10:30 pm so bear with me if my thoughts get a lil incoherent. as if they ever were coherent)
cant remember if this happens with sydney too but theres static when jedidiah says the time. interesting
so sydneys smoke thing is unique to him??
we do love occupying characters with a physical task during conversations
ig marisol prioritizes efficiency and salem prioritizes the wellbeing of the kids
also salem dont badmouth sydnel like that
gay??
more confirmation that sydney needs therapy
im v glad marisols on sydneys side
jedidiah is bein kinda silly, marisols like 'he makes me uncomfy' and hes like 'just dont feel uncomfy'
if only sydney and jedidiah were as good at communication as the sapphics
love that sydney is like 'dont swear!!!!' but dumps all of his trauma on the kids
noo im sad :(
"Itā€™s a laaaaaazy day today." <<<(me tomorrow after not sleeping all night)
nothing bad better happen on the speepy day >:(
"Men. Men sure are mysterious." mood
"I canā€™t describe how it feels to see a blue skyā€¦ almostā€¦ apocalyptic.Ā " i love subverting expectations and turning something ordinary into something completely paranormal.
also vambrose moment (the apple)
o great thats where the canibalism comes in
eugh
i do not want
(and this is why salem is worried about you buddy. dont share stuff like that with kids.)
on the other hand kids arent, like innocent to this type of thing, really. i used to babysit my friends lil sister ( i think she was in 2nd or 3rd grade?) shed make lego skits about people murdering eachother, with like, a lot of detail too. and i dont think she was raised on particularly violent media. she played pokemon go on her parents phone or doodles in kids drawing apps. i think kids just kinda gravitate towards these kinds of things, especially if theyre told theyre not supposed to.
o no sydney being normal about the elephant man is not good
"You get hungry." hungy theme within his dreams?
"I like animals because they never forget to be scared: of starving, of getting eaten, of getting hurt or sick." also reaccuring thing from the bunny
and centipede thing. and ants. (im guessing bc its a dream it s lots of things relating to his current situation, especially thematically) (also i believe ants were brought up at some point when he said something along the lines of 'it felt like ants were eating my stomach lining'
the writing is so good its unfair
"I should never have forgotten to be scared." this is really interesting bc so far hes only been really scared by the elephant man.
"and none of the birds could speak English." ok i think its extremely disturbing to consider the fact that 'its a uniquely human thing to surpress pain' so the birds CAN talk but theyre still animals. they never forget to be scared and they never think to hide their discomfort.
also geez this episode is so dark compared to the others. it makes sense in universe, bc most of this is going on in sydneys head.
noo matthew was affected he better be ok after >:(
also appreciation for the slowing music, i didnt really register at first but thats definitely bc of the weird time happenings. and then the crank and it speeds up? super cool!
this series is so fun!!!
im a bit worried that jedidiahs 'extra special clock' may have something to do with his project? especially considering he has a lot of clocks around his office
more hungy, i think that bc he was hungy but didnt really realize it bc time weirdness, it seeped into his dreams somehow?
appreciation for sydney being able to eat garlic bread
also interesting thing, idk if its relevant in universe or just a writing thing, but no matter what happens with time it seems to always be resolved for sydney to know when 25:25 is.
oh fuck the canibalism is back
icky
i do not want
nope nope nope its getting worse
sorry im blood squeemish
more elephant man lore
kinda spooky. maybe his powers rely on electricity? or theres some greater creature hes afraid of that haas that effect
appreciation for the ending music of ep 16, and also just all the music in that ep.
hive? (the apothiosis is upon us?)
also really different music for the intro. idk if its like a genre or something related to hives, but its style really reminded me of queen b from nightmare time.
i want a waterslide to nowhere
i dont want a bri'ish man talkin bout 'beans on the cob' to be responsible for my safety, like, ever.
more sydney lore! poor bb sounds like he needs a hug. particularly from one Jedidiah A.A. Martin
i love the corporate bg music during harmlessmart its such a nice touch.
matthew matthew matthew matthew
fresh honeycomb sky.. hive theming?
this is exactly the shenanigans that middles schoolers get upto when theyre realeased into the woods
"Ā So it has been, and so it will be; eternal in all directions in time." idk i just like this quote,
more ants
sports crystals = pokey?
bee tsunami
so he is co-nurse... when does jedidiah ever do his job? where is he?
noo sydney not the corner bread
comunicate!!! please!!!
"but he must love me, right?" :(((((((((((((((((
"Ā ā€” my journals." of course jedidiah only cares when it relates to his project. so quincycore, but if quincy didnt care about his bf.
D:
idk if i should keep watching this tonight. on one hand, if i keep watching i might cry bc sad, but if i stop i will definitely cry.
"He would always be the father, and I would always be the mother" (blitzstonecore)
"How he could love something so muchā€¦ and forget to feed it." (he loves sydney, he just forgets to take care of him. in the way sydney needs, instead of the way jedidiah thinks he needs.)
a grey sky
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reading wikis again, and the warriors thing is just such a mood, and idk if the creators understand dnd stats properly, or if he jus sucks that much at living, but negative stats are not possible. like players usually cant get below a 3. and -4 means he has like -7 con, so he has 1 hit points at first level, which is really pathetic. yes im going to nerd about this. (i think its super funny bc, like sure w a 19 for wisdom he probably wouldnt fail wis saves, but on the off chance that he did, viscious mockery, a bard cantrip, will knock him out no matter what, and if it rolls i think a 3 or 4 it completely kills him. he could be killed by a single insult.)
(ive been informed that this will make more sense once i finish it, and now im v scared)
(also prolly shouldnt be reading the wiki rn bc spoilers, but im doin it anyway.)
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again, the stats are SO EXTREME. not as bad as sydney. he could feasibly weild a weapon (strenghth or dex if finesse i think) he has reasonable con which is good bc wizards have absolutely no health. idk whats up with his wisdom (ive heard it described as 'street smarts' and int as 'book smarts' but i think it kinda goes hand in hand with rizz for interactions, bc its used for like insight, which is kinda important to talk to people.) (thats actually something id say maybe doesnt work well with sydneys high wis. so far it seems like, while he is quite observant, hes not always super great at reading the room, or at least thats what ive gathered)
also idk about the charisma bc so far jedidiah seems a bit more put together in the persuasion/deception/intimidation area of things.
might eep now. that means its a great time for you to drink some water.
do it. stay hydrated. it mustve taken a ton of mental energy to get through this post, so you should take a break. get a glass of water, get a snack, take care of yourself. (sleep if its past midnight or if your name is rowan) then you can come back and finish reading this shitshow :]
ok its morning time to finish this (maybe)
restarted ep 16 bc i forgor
omg wait sydneys usin am and theres static
i love that theres a credit card stealing fish.
no sydney youre doing it again what did salem say
relation to sydneys worms?
"If he didnā€™t value these creatures when they were alive, why was he so affected by their deaths?" STOP NO IM ALREADY SAD I GET IT
and thats why sydney wont kill the centipede?
w h a t
spooky music
is the hive conected to the elephant man?
excuse me did he just call worms many legged creatures (ig like worms as in maggots and caterpillars and silkworms, not earthworms)
i love that theres always some counselors that dont get to participate in the camp meetings
sydneys impression of jedidiahs voice is so silly
"But I like endings; I like closure. That was the point of this whole exercise." more with sydney being more ok with death perhaps?
ā€œHa. Abandoning your child in a lake . . . . so thatā€™s what motherhood means for you?ā€ NO NO NO NO NO :(((
"But I am not my mother." so this is why hes so protective of the kids?
rowan hero?
this feels less like a hive and more like an egg
rowan hero!
bad smoke, different smoke?
hive queen
ye i was right, it egg
so they WERE gay at some point???
interesting that jedidiah doesnt mention the elephant man breaking into his office
he frames it as 'im worried about sydney' even though hes been ignoring sydneys concern until it affected himself
ye ye lucille gets it he only cares about himself and his project
hes emotionally attatched to sydney, but he doesnt take care of him, because he doesnt understand what it means to not be taken care of
sydney taught himself how to love, and he makes a conscious effort to try his best, but he prioritizes the kids because he doesnt want to be like his mom
ye ye lucille call out the lil guy
lucille has the same thoughts about the elephant man as jedidiah did before he tried to take the journals
noticed the clock ticking
ohh so spooky bad stuff in the journals?
jedidiahs trying to keep sydney safe, reminds me of the "it was cozy and safe, like a prison" thing
also lucille bein his mom explains why sydney and jedidiah are close?
jedidiah doesnt like death, maybe hes afraid of it. because its closure, like sydney said. bc he doesnt know how to care about something while its alive, so he settles for greiving when its gone.
also the ending 'do not anger it" is a repeat i think?
o no more tree stuff?
am again and static
at least today the vegans get somethig they can maybe eat?
so he is the assisstant nurse? confusion
buddy are you sure thats not a corpse
assuming the things jedidiahs getting shipped in are related to his project, hes making progress?
again with him prioritizes his project above sydney
also minor thing about the lunch b i feel like hes kinda underestimating sydneys intelligence (of course judging by the dnd stats its barely above average) and thats also v quincy of him
also i think he forgot to say the time, but theres static for dinner, prolly bc pm
interesting i dont remember when sydney switched. was it always like that? 19:04 PM implies a 19:04 AM, and thats a lotta hours
sydney appreciating nature
do you even like goo arts? arent you allergic to goo
ok really interesting that they bring this up bc sydney was just talking about how he and jedidiah had a bag of acorns that they took home? and they were fine
plant spooky
related to project?
:(
time static
:((((
his lil eep is v cute
not even chess. bro why do you even check on him if youre too tired to play chess
clock tic
physically safe.
D:
sad gay
more clocks tic
no you cant end the ep like that
sydneys still gone :(((((
juniper no one likes you dont laugh at your own jokes
oh but rowan honey is getting juniper to his job worth putting up with his horrible voice and personality
its extremely ironic that jedidiah is responsible for mediating counselor arguements when he doesnt comunicate with his own husband
"how do I explain to you that you need to care about other people?" DONT SAY THAt... it makes me sad...
"I worry about you sometimes, though, yā€™know?" heres a concrete difference between juniper and jedidiah: juniper actually makes the effort to care about rowans worry, even if he cant empathize with it. honestly i think this episode is included to show jedidiah through a different light, bc so far it seems like him and juniper are very similar.
they both rarely do their actual work, and have someone they care about who has a (maybe) irrational fear of something they cant understand
"You keep saying all this nice shit to him like it means anything and then consistently letting him down with your behavior." showing jedidiah recognises these traits in other people but not himself.
"Your actions are what matter to the people around you, not your words or your intentions or your thoughts or your fucking anything else but your actions, and your actions show Sydney loud and clear that you donā€™t give a shit about him." aaand he let it slip. he knows hes doing the same, maybe? some part of him gets that.
hopefully after this there will actualy be some kind of positive change?
not sure if this is important, as i havent been reading the other log thingies, but under minor insight into it repeats a bullet point
theory: the elephant man took sydney???
"I promise you kids I will attend dutifully to the nurseā€™s office in Sydneyā€™s absence. Or, Iā€™ll make sureĀ someoneĀ is, at least." more jedidiah avoiding his actual job, similar to juniper
again sydney prioritizes knowledge above all else, maybe a similarity to jedidiah
"One by one, we all stay aliveā€¦" cant remember if this was like an endy thing but it sounds familiar.. either way super spooky
yvonne dyslexic not clickbait?
"Of course I can, itā€™s ā€” plain English." ok interesting def a thing about either yvonne or jedidiah, bc like they dont see the notes the same???
"I wanted her to get angry. I wanted a fight. I wanted consequences. Iā€¦ I wantedā€¦ it to matter." he wants closure. he wants people to care about him
"She was kind then. So was Jedidiah." :(
:(((((((((((((
"really hard to believe that he would just ā€” get up and leave." jedidiahs frustrated by the thought that sydney might not care about him like he thought?
another mention of religion. yvonne also mentioned praying in the last ep, and a while ago sydney talked about jedidiah being a 'good christian boy' or something like that
nvm that was the beginning of the last ep
im very good at life as you can tell
sorry back to 22
this is so strange
nother mention of religion
"My heartbeat has synced up with the ceaseless tickingā€¦Ā " reminds me of a comment i saw relating jedidiahs clocks to his heartbeat? idk i dont remember
this is... really disturbing. i dont know why
"holy day". interesting
this feels manipulative
no no elephant man if you turn sydney against jedidiah i will be very angy
wait isnt this like cult tactics, like asking someone to meet up in a low stakes setting, love bombing, asking them to do something to prove their loyalty. (i vaguely remember this from some yt video i watched about cats)
"Show you a love you have never known." hes preying on sydneys desire to be wanted, to be cared about
this is so unsettling my god.
"Ā Jedidiahā€™s search partyĀ " means lucille aproved it?
"I mean, yā€™know,Ā liveĀ like youā€™re dying, right?Ā " (exexprincecore)
"What do you mean ā€œthatā€™s one way to put itā€? Yvonne, these are blank papers!" enchanted papers?????????
ok sydney dont lie to them'
"Um. Okay. Listen. Sydneyā€¦ I donā€™t want to lose you." but he doesnt really care, still
:(
clock ticking
"the tree finds human happiness nauseating." huh.
D:
"violent criminal history in the state of arkansas" thats all i could catch from the news thingy at the start, for some reason its not on the ep transcripts :(,,, but didnt elijah say hes from arkansas??? is that anything?
theres still static with the time
theyre dead?? like straight up?? all of cabin widow spider?
oh ok theyre not fully dead
as, like, the only sane person who cares about the elephant man, i wonder what marisols reaction is?
sports field? what about the musically inclined crystals?
hhehehe forgot that soren sounds like a cartoon villain
he nya like cat
...does the project have some relation to necromancy????????
tap tap tap tap tap tap
so crackers and butter cookies count as bread???
"Ā but without death, it will never live." (to show ya the horror of stayin alive) (sorry sorry sorry sorry)
"Not because we want to, but because we must." ^^^^
wait wait wait i think i remember the one by one thing. but it was "one by one we all survive" and then "one by one we all stay alive" or something lik e that, so its interesting that it changed.
"but I canā€™t believe any amount of money would convince her to completely ignore the safety of the kids." again thingy with prioritizing the kids
"Seems this strain of mold just turns us into zombies, likeā€¦ interpersonally?" mood
hahahaha juniper already is like that so the mold didnt have any effect
hun he is definitely deliberately manipulating yp
ok so idk about any of endy bits so far but it keeps bringing up not angering it and they "youve angered it" and im guessing if anything it has something to do with elijah??? or the project?? maybe both idk
"Itā€™s like you donā€™t even care about the kids here anymore." huh
and it all comes back to control.
"Jedidiahā€¦ [Sigh] this mediation session isnā€™t for you and me." they need to go to couples therapy
" [Whisper] I miss you. .... Iā€™m such a fucking idiot.Ā " :((((
can the gays just be happy? just for a little bit? can elijah go away? can everyone please for the love of god or whatever just be happy for one goddamed moment?
no am, still static
i dont think thats a river
also, 'rapids'? he said like a moment before it was still, which kinda means its just more lake, and the land partially seperating it is an island
"theyā€™re hungry for a sense of intellectual superiority." i love that the creatures in and around camp are half spooky half completely mundane
ye for once i think junipers right its more like a moat
"For todayā€™s breakfast we have an eelā€™s head stuck upon a 500-year-old sword and slathered with pea mush ā€” a hometown delicacy suggested by Juniper. He says they call it ā€œscrumpledydumps!ā€" (ugh. british people.)
hc sydneys proficient in animal handling
... he feels like a curse and not in control of his life :(
forgot about the macaronis
uhh wouldnt a bridge make the hunt like destroy cam
(the horse? the divorce? /ref)
"I canā€™t figure out what this poor fox eats." is this a reference to the fly thing? showing contrast bc sydney actually thinks to take care of it?
still no am or pm but theres static
:((((((((((((((((((
please let them be happy? (this is why i stil havent finished yellow jacket. i simply cannot handle characters being sad or the undeniable feeling that something terrible is going to happen)
"the tree also finds human fear nauseating." huh.
clocks. are we finally gonna learn more about the project/??
no more river
beeping
what the actual f u c k is going on
id let matthew poison me with arsenic
holy fucking shit
i love that sydney raises his voice when he does an imression of joshua
"You know, when I was a kid, a large portion of my daily diet consisted of complimentary condiment packets from the school cafeteria."...sydney are you okay?/?????
at this point the static is kind of comforting. the only thing consistent at camp other than sydneys trauma
more beeping
huh??? i swear hamsters have been mentioned before
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how does sydney know what hamsters eyes look like if theyve been extinct for millions of years????
"Ā 2:01 AM" WHOA thats new.... is it bc of maintenence? perhaps?
still static
oh fuck no i forgor about the journals
more clocks
FUCK
(extra thing this kinda reminds me of holloweane a bit just bc of the like not being able to give info, of course ms holloway does WANT to, and does try to tell duke, but anyway)
(and now i gotta go do stuff. why did i agree to do stuff after that episode. damn. anyway. this is your reminder to take a break from my ramblings. get some water, stretch, focus your eyes on something that isnt a screen. and of course, if your name is rowan, you should sleep probably)
hi im back
birds. huh.
and a clock tickin, but it stopped before the click.
apple=jedidiah?
what about the second hand???
clocks have knowledge. sydney wants it.
this musics quite the jam
is petrfified wings a thing? it feels farmiliar
"Ā 25-26-100 hour days." hwhat the hell
he wants to be a clock? he wants to be flexible?
is this the extra special clock that fucked up time in that one episode?
wheat feild? related to the death fields? i think sydney mentioned someones wheat allergy in that ep
this is v strange
something.. something train related happened to his dad?
is.. is the next event sydneys death? jedidiahs death?
thats why he doesnt like it? why hes scared of death?
knowledge. thats what they both seek.
FUCK NO elijah go away i dont like you >:(
of course, elijahs using him to get information. also HOW THE FUCK DOES HE KNOW ALL THIS (sydney please get away from that creepy stalker)
"hot tea with honey is good for sore throats." (goddamit emma now i gotta make a tea with honey /rref)
the weird audio thing in the background right after the episode title reminds me of my printer.
poor campers, no salt. nothing better happen to matthew >:(
at least sydney stopped spreading propoganda about the elephant man
oh also hes back to saying the time, am and pm, and our dear friend static
fuck
thats a lot of blood
w h a t
static please help me
what do they have against france
"Ā itā€™s so funny to watch the fumes struggle to conjure anything worse than what Iā€™ve actually been through." >:0
"[HE BUTCHERES THE PRONUNCIATION]" me too buddy, me too
did...did sydney get a clock?
o no are the penguins gonna come back
sydney are you okay???
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all of this better be on the soundtrack
[HE BEGINS TO HYPERVENTILATE AND CRY.] (mee too budy, me too)
"Ā Are you ready? Why did you lie?" w h a t
ok ok ok im definitely gonna finish this today bc if i dont ill stay up thinking about it anyway
more god, sin and death stuff. also mention of adam, possible relation to up and adam? (intro bit still sounds like a hyperventilating printer)
(this is so long i wonder if anyones actually made it this far. wait atcually the fandoms small so prolly.) (i bet rowans reading this. i bet hes not actually sleeping like i told him to, twice.)
NO ELIJAHS BACK (idk if anyone else is here but i am a member of the elijah hate club)
brought up the ceremony thing again. (still seems kinda cultish)
quiet beeps
louder beeps
this "stupid man" sounds a bit like jedidiah...
"He did not understand how to feed it" again the starving thing
or, is it elijah? idk im confused
also wtf is goin on w the accent
:(
so muse is definitely sydney, prophet is elijah, so yeah i think the architect is jedidiah
"I will be the one to crystalize the truth of your perfection" (uh oh is he gonna pull an ambrose)
kinda sounds like hes gonna set sydney on fire
FUCK SYDNEY YOU BETTER TELL JEDIDIAH (pls just make them be okay)
"ā€¦Iā€™m going to start sleeping in the room with Jedidiah again." ok ok thats progress good.. maybe hes not so distrusting of jedidiah anymore??? at least hopefully itll help w his pain
silence.
(reading comments) i saw some ppl saying sydney died and got revived and that makes sense considerign the story but also WHAT THE FUCK
reason jedidiah wont tell him about the project? or why hes so intent on keeping him physically safe? (how much does he know about elijah, bc elijah seems to know a lot about him)
another mention of god in the news before the title
no more printer sounds? maybe i just wasnt payin attention
"Hey, whatā€™s this co-nurse stuff? Arenā€™t you Sydneyā€™s assistant?" joshua out here askin the real questions
idk whats goin on but somethng seems really off
clock
:(
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. that is no way to end an episode. again, this is why i cant finish yellow jacket. i do not like the sad.
idk if its just me but elijah sounded a bit different.
shit this is already episode 31.
trees
also um fuck what the hell is that title. the pyre??? sydneys just gonna go with it?! dude hes gonna set you on fire !!!
also side note taking a moment to appreciate the pacing of the series so far, the whole time its felt like just the right amount is happening, it never feels too rushed or boring. also the attention to detail and callbacks and references are amazing
oh fuck he mentioned the penguins. that means jedidiah will knwo he was looking for the journals
wow it s been a while since he talked about the sun or the moon, kinda nice to hear about the sky again. of course now im remembering jedidiah talking abotu the stars and im sad again.
the moon was in the sky all day? is that normal?
oh. she wants control. like how sydney talked to elijah. to prove he has control. to make a choice.
"was that being fed is not always the same as being nourished." back to the starving thing.
the clock is back
he misses jedidiah :(
still dont know whats goin on with the centipede
"I need to prove Iā€™mĀ worthĀ something to you" (ambrosecore)
"My body is whole. My body is eaten.' spooky.
they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy they better get happy
:(
32!
glitchy walky talkies? i think thats that kind of beep. something something something RADIATOR? idk as someone whos bad at listening, i kinda wish they put the beginning bits in the transcript, but i guess thats bc mysteries???
static is back. aw, the moon has returned to her duty.
"Ahhhhh, to overthrow natureā€¦" reminds me of the natural order thing joshua said during the camp revolt thing
also i was so right about elijah's culty stuff
communication? are they gonna be happy, maybe, at some point???
...i may have read spoilers in the wiki that they get together in 34, so i hope that means theyll be happy.
fuck fuck fuck fuck noo no non on no no elijah stay away
"Am I aloneā€¦ ?Ā " D:
glad he has a gun. that definitely cant backfire in any possible way...
fuck fuck fuck why is cabin dungbeetle like thhis
sound design is still so fuckin sick
jedidiah describing sydney: he's, uh, fuck, idk hes hot?
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hes so pathetic /affectionate
OH FUCK ELIJAH KIDNAPPED HIM!!! TONIES WHY DIDNT YOU START WITH THAT WHAT THE HELL
no no no you can t end on cliffhangers like that (i say as if im not gonna watch the next one in like a minute) (i could never watch shows or podcasts as they come out i would actually die from the cliffhangers)
oh wait its not the end of the ep.
again sound design is immaculate
if sydney dies at the end of this series so will i, just putting that out there. (oh same with jedidiah)
YO OMG HES SO SMART i forgot about the reflection thing. what did he steal?? idk he took something that was like 'the only way i could seee my reflection' or something.. that makes so much sense.
by the way imma be at least a bit upset if we dont get any more rowan content before the end of the series.
(last ep)
FUCK you elijah i hope you BURN in HELL (sorry to any non elijah-haters, but also, not sorry bc hes bad)
"every day is a living fucking nightmare!" i mean this is just a thing thats said and not, like, unique to the show, but jedidiah does say something similar earlier on i think
the whole love vs want think kinda reminds me of linda, and like wiley bein like 'you dont want to be loved you want to be adored' (of course thats more framed as a villain thing so..)
FUCK WAIT THEY KNOW EACH OTHER???!!!!
"She keeps him like a prison." callback to the prison thing? the ''it felt comfy and safe, like a prison" i think it was something like that
so elijah is connected to the clocks somehow??
FUCK FUCK FUCK I FORGOT HE HAS THE JOURNAL
NO NO NO WHATS HE GOING TO DO
salamander man=elijah?
thats when he died???
second journal entry reminds me of, this is weird, but like dnd memes? and how magic kinda comes naturally to classes like sorcerers and bards, but wizards learn through study?
also im very confused by why the journal entries are so important, and why elijahs voice keeps changing. its really unsettling
so jedidiah was looking into magic to heal him?
"You turn it off and back on again." holy fuck
oh my god so thats why necromancy is such a reaccuring thing? and them being like , dw real necromancy isnt popular
the clock is also an interesting thing, idk what it means tho
aww the statics back :)
why is lucille like this
whats her goal in any of it
"This informationā€¦ resists being known." (ms holloway vibes)
his, dad, died from that??
"Ā Because Iā€™m nothing without you, Sydney, I really am." (quincent vibes)
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i find this switch really interesting bc up untill this moment sydneys always been the one, kind of, like, comfortable with death? and it makes sense now, i guess, because jedidiah was afraid of it, afraid that sydney might find out, and hed get hurt again
"But thereā€™s something kind of sexy about that, though, right?" (a real stroke of luck, when the one man you can murder is one of the men you--- /ref) (sorrry sorry sorry this is a serious conversation ill try to be more normal)
awww gay (now for the happy? maybe? can they please be happy?) (sorry i said id be normal.. ill do that now < ---lying)
"Uhmmā€¦ [Sniff] hey, I, uh, havenā€™t seen you drink water, yet. I donā€™t think youā€™ve been drinking water ā€” here. Drink.Ā " (this is a reminder to all my friends who dont hydrate enough. do it. or you'll end up like sydney, nearly burned on a pyre by a weird russian guy in an elephant mask)
the gays? on their way to being happy? even just for a bit? not clickbait? (dw i know elijahs gonna come back and fuck everyone over in a lil bit. just let me have my moment)
"Also, heā€™s gone. For good." dude dont fucking jinx it!
"Seems the two of ā€˜em have gotten quite cozy.Ā " (thats kinda gay dude)
i was so confused then i remembered that it was 20 dimentional chess
still kinda confused about the mirror thing
WAIT WHAT THE FUCK THATS THE END
NO NO NO NO NO NO
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im sad now D:
anyway, i am sincerely sorry that you had to read this hot mess. uh, rowan, if youre still here. go to sleep.
ok now im gonna go read fanfic and hope it can heal me from this emotional rollercoaster.
bye <3
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dearweirdme Ā· 2 years ago
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ā€œI'm still holding out hope that's it's all pr, but if it's not, then I'm just upset at the FS. I just wish kpop would stop doing it with how homophobic they areā€
you didnā€™t comment on this part of anons ask so iā€™m not sure how you feel about it but i just wanted to give my opinion bc this ask rubbed me the wrong way.
to start because i donā€™t want to get misconstrued, kpop definitely does do fan service and baiting (iā€™m not saying queer baiting because real ppl cannot queer bait). and while imo itā€™s up to the fan to realize theyā€™re being baited (not in every situation bc some ppl are good at manipulation)- especially in todays climate - and fan service isnā€™t always bad as long as the idols arenā€™t intentionally trying to trick you into thinking theyā€™re together, itā€™s still definitely annoying and irritating because so many of these straight idols end up being homophobic but are participating in fan service and baiting. and of course the companies and kpop world root for baiting and fanservice but then turn around and be homophobic and not even allow idols to come out. a lot of korea in general too of course. then you have the straight fans who love the idea of their idols being gay for each other but then are homophobic and unsupportive of gay ppl irl.
so yes i definitely agree with the last sentence of anons message BUT calling taekook fanservice/baiting just rubbed me the wrong way. now donā€™t get me wrong iā€™m not saying they arenā€™t together but in this case letā€™s just hypothetically assume taennie gets confirmed tomorrow and taekook ends up not being real, that does not mean taekook was all fanservice/baiting and theyā€™re bad for doing it. if weā€™re simply looking at it from a taekook isnā€™t real perspective (bc i know most here believes they are but just for this hypothetical in response to what anon was saying. i know iā€™m repeating myself a lot but i just want to make sure you get Iā€™m not actually denying taekook) taekook have never done anything to suggest theyā€™re together. looking at taeā€™s support of lgbt+ artists and hints that you take as him confirming he is or hints or videos you take as confirming taekook is real are simply how you took things in your own perspective. theyā€™ve never done explicit baiting or fan service. theyā€™re close and showing how close they are isnā€™t wrong and they arenā€™t at fault for what fans assume. itā€™s also not like taehyung has not said to ā€œget out of your imaginationā€ before - you cant say they tricked you purposely. what iā€™m trying to say is if taekook ends up being fake it is not the fault of taekook you assumed they were. yes idols often do stuff like that but taekook never have.
i hope anon and you get what i mean !!
Hi anon!
Thank you for your input. I don't think I'll agree on everything you've said, but let me cut up your ask in smaller sections a bit to discuss. I'm probably going to rant a little.
you didnā€™t comment on this part of anons ask so iā€™m not sure how you feel about it but i just wanted to give my opinion bc this ask rubbed me the wrong way.
Yeah, I try not to invalidate anyone's feelings. If someone's upset they can't really help it, even if the reason behind it might be based on bias/misinformation/whatever. I try to ease peoples mind by explaining pr-tactics, bodylanguage etc... more tangible stuff. And it's very complicated matter. There's fanservice, skinship, real connections... all those are mixed together and all of them can co-exist. I was confused about the differences between those at first as well. South Korea being very different from my own culture made this really hard to disect. So I understand why fans are confused about this. Especially with SK being homophobic and shipping between members being... normal. A lot of Kpop's standards are weird to me (being from Europe). I have a big problem with the constant mentions of dieting for instance. Young girls are so impressive and having your idols mention being on a diet so often seems wrong to me. The obvious homophobia is a big NONO. Idols not being able to date in general.... not great although maybe it does at first give them more privacy, but the backlash they get when they do get caught dating, wow! So yeah, not everything is great imo. I am very much aware though that cultures differ, and things that are weird to me are normal to them (the enlisting for instance, I've seen many fans angry at the SK govenment for having idols enlist... and it is very sad.... but then again, most of us do not live in a country that is always in a tense situation with their neighboring country, so we don't know what that feels like). I think SK is slowly catching up, but change takes time... and for a whole culture to change even more time.
to start because i donā€™t want to get misconstrued, kpop definitely does do fan service and baiting (iā€™m not saying queer baiting because real ppl cannot queer bait). and while imo itā€™s up to the fan to realize theyā€™re being baited (not in every situation bc some ppl are good at manipulation)- especially in todays climate - and fan service isnā€™t always bad as long as the idols arenā€™t intentionally trying to trick you into thinking theyā€™re together, itā€™s still definitely annoying and irritating because so many of these straight idols end up being homophobic but are participating in fan service and baiting. and of course the companies and kpop world root for baiting and fanservice but then turn around and be homophobic and not even allow idols to come out. a lot of korea in general too of course. then you have the straight fans who love the idea of their idols being gay for each other but then are homophobic and unsupportive of gay ppl irl.
There being fanservice in Kpop is not debatable. There is, plain and simple. I feel anyone who has been a fan for an extended time is aware of this. I feel most of army who aren't in an actual shipping part of fandom are real quick to point to every single act of intimacy as fanservice. The way I see it is that they make use of fanservice and skinship a lot to justify physical interactions between members. The over the top grand moments are fan service and the more subtle moments they are able to classify as skinship (which is way more normal in SK than in my country for instance). Fanservice isn't bad. Most bands and artists do fanservice, some just do it more naturally than others. Fans should know that not everything an artist does is his/her/their natural behavior... not everything is spontaneous. Artists go through media training and probably also through training to make them appeal to fans more. I use Jk's flirting in lives as an example of learned behavior, because to me those flirty comments (although hilarious) seem prepared/learned. I do think for younger fans this is hard to understand at first though. You don't want to think of your idol as someone who 'tricks' you with their learned pr-behavior. You want to feel connected on a personal level, so you ignore the business side of things. It's happening now too. I'm calling out certain pr-tactics (which is normal for any artist) and yet I get hate for it. Artists always (!) come with a portion of business, they aren't able to do what they do without it. Iā€™m not sure fanservice is supposed to look ā€˜queerā€™, I often feel the intent initially (in kpop) was to make it look obvious that itā€™s fanservice, but some artists just have such great chemistry that itā€™s easy for fans to start believing it. And once that seed has been planted, itā€™s hard to get rid of. But having a ā€˜shipā€™ alive and thriving isnā€™t actually bad for business, so labels probably donā€™t mind much (and might even encourage). It keeps the ships alive, but there will always be enough of army to immediately call "Fanservice" to 'defend' their artists.
so yes i definitely agree with the last sentence of anons message BUT calling taekook fanservice/baiting just rubbed me the wrong way. now donā€™t get me wrong iā€™m not saying they arenā€™t together but in this case letā€™s just hypothetically assume taennie gets confirmed tomorrow and taekook ends up not being real, that does not mean taekook was all fanservice/baiting and theyā€™re bad for doing it. if weā€™re simply looking at it from a taekook isnā€™t real perspective (bc i know most here believes they are but just for this hypothetical in response to what anon was saying. i know iā€™m repeating myself a lot but i just want to make sure you get Iā€™m not actually denying taekook) taekook have never done anything to suggest theyā€™re together. looking at taeā€™s support of lgbt+ artists and hints that you take as him confirming he is or hints or videos you take as confirming taekook is real are simply how you took things in your own perspective.
I think you are trying to say that Tae and Jk have never done anything to blatantly state that they are together. They have not been obvious about it, so us interpreting situations would have been us interpreting things wronly and therefore we are to blame for misunderstanding (did I understand you correctly). I do agree that they haven't intentionally been obvious about it. I feel very strongly that they do not intent to out themselves and that they even try to protect their relationship from being outed. There have been many moments that I feel their feelings were obvious, but we weren't supposed to pick up on those. In general, because at times they might have felt a bit more bolder, I think they want us to think they are really close friends. I do also feel though, that Tae and Jk have done fanservice (so maybe we disagree on this a bit). I think things can be both. Jk sitting on Tae's lap during the Las Vegas show to me was both fanservice and them wanting to. Itā€™s like getting to do a part of your job that you really really enjoy. From a business perspective it would also be weird to never have Taekook do fanservice together, because they are obviously close, they are in the top physically affectionate members, and all members do fanservice on occasion. I think these things can co-exist. I feel fanservice comes so easy for Tae and Jk though, they just melt into each other. The way their bodies operate around each other is so lovely to see. Can we be mad about them doing fanservice? No, it's part of their jobs. Can we be mad at fanservice in general? Honestly, it would make fandoms lives so much easier if they were to tone that down a lot. Because it is confusing and it makes fandoms argue amongst themselves. Labels make use of that, because an argueing fandam means itā€™s very much alive.
theyā€™ve never done explicit baiting or fan service.
I agree on the baiting, disagree on the fanservice. Fanservice is part of the job though, while baiting I would classify to a more personal level.
theyā€™re close and showing how close they are isnā€™t wrong and they arenā€™t at fault for what fans assume. itā€™s also not like taehyung has not said to ā€œget out of your imaginationā€ before - you cant say they tricked you purposely. what iā€™m trying to say is if taekook ends up being fake it is not the fault of taekook you assumed they were. yes idols often do stuff like that but taekook never have.
Absolutely, they should definitely be able to express their closeness how they want. It's wrong to assume intimate behavior between men can't be romantic, but it's also wrong to assume intimate behavior between two men automatically makes them queer. My believe in Taekook stems from all things combined, the frequency of intimate behavoir, the body language, patterns in behavior, clues about queerness, the way I feel they were being hidden.
I don't know if my answer is satisfying, or comprehensable even... it's difficult matter and I feel Iā€™ve just been babbling here šŸ™ˆ.
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boypussydilf Ā· 2 years ago
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sherlock. what is it's gender. what is their deal. speak your trutg
oh dear with the state of my blog its now hard to tell when people walk up to me and say sherlock if they mean dgs sherlock the og or any of the several others ive started talking about. we need to like. color code them. anyway im gonna talk about dgs sherlock bc hes the one im most likely to have proper thoughts on and then probably also do one for mostly just. like. the general concept actually thinking about it i do have many thoughts on Non-DGS Sherlock i dont know why i allowed myself to think i didnt . i just get caught up in the bimbo dad but i like the entire folder hes stored in
dgs first tho <333333
Sexuality Headcanon: gay. Just gay
Gender Headcanon: If i had to make 1 decision. genderfluid <3 Sherlock Holmes (DGS) can fit so much gender in her !!!!!!!!!
A ship I have with said character: *looks at my blog* *looks at my pinned post* um i think you guys know . already. the only one i have . do i need to say it
A BROTP I have with said character: i mean. Iris. they r best friends for real ! they r like the most important people to each other ! they r this guy and their 10 year old daughter who packs peanut butter jelly sandwiches for them !!!
A NOTP I have with said character: im gonna be petty and say vanlock. i blocked the tag bc i got tired of seeing it. actually even moreso i like physically recoil when i see ppl shipping him with ryuu, it fucking. completely baffles me. like. nothing wrong with that. people who ship them arenā€™t weird in That sense. but theyre weird as in I canā€™t understand what compels you to do this . i dont like vanlock but i can Understand why people do i just got extra sick of it bc its semi common. i cant understand why people ship sherlock and ryuu. like youve misread the vibe badly. this is not it. oh dear god this just got 5 times as long as all the other sections of this fucking ask meme. power of being slightly annoyed sorry
A random headcanon: UHHHHHHHHHH OH MY GOD . I KNOW i have headcanons abou t this bitch he swarms around in my mind all the time. I am imagining Random Exploits of the DGS Cast on a daily basis where did the fucking Concepts and Ideas go. ill return to this once ive done everything else and see if i havent thought of anything fun by then. ive thought about it some more and my most recent thought on him has been like. she knows some russian and japanese right? actually a fucking lot of russian to be able to read entire newspaper articles but thats besides the point i just think that sherlock knowing several different languages is neat but, Like. its pure chance if she ever manages to learn enough to be able to ā€¦. use it. once every several months sherlock will get really really excited about a new foreign language and put in like 2 weeks of work before forgetting about it completely. he has the vocabulary of a very young toddler in half a dozen different languages and is remembering those vocabularies by sheer luck
General Opinion over said character: Im normal iam normal normal im normal and regular . im normal and im normal about him and i dont intend to put him under a microscope or anything. i am not putting him in a little plastic box and shaking him to find out what happens . *extends my hand ibuprofen style* who wants to speculate about dgs in hyperspecific ways with me. hello my like 3 dgs followers do you have thoughts on sherlock holmes. tell them to me. lets all be normal. Anyway uh hes funny
IVE GOTTEN THAT BITCH OUT OF THE WAY LETS TALK ABOUT ā€¦ā€¦ im not even sure. The General Concept of Sherlock Holmes on a Wide Scale, which, like, ultimately probably just boils down to: acd holmes. time to get philosophical with it. thats not the right word.
Sexuality Headcanon: sherlock is either gay or aroace or some more specific combination of all previous terms. Hey does thatā€¦ even count as headcanon? Ultimately my stance is ā€œwhatever as long as sherlock holmes is not interested in womenā€ and it is stated very clearly explicitly and repeatedly in canon that sherlock holmes is not interested in women so . like.
Gender Headcanon: You know whatā€™s funny is expressing disdain for women is an effective way to distance yourself from femininity in general, for instance, to assert masculinity as a trans man, or as a negative reaction to being a trans woman. So. Like.
A ship I have with said character: at first i was like ā€œits just kind of an objective fact that sherlock and watson are gay but i dont have emotional investment in itā€ but that was a fucking lie
A BROTP I have with said character: SHERLOCK HOLMES DOES NOT HAVE FRIENDS. I DONT FUCKING KNOW, TOBY THE DOG?
A NOTP I have with said character: The next time an adaptation tries to make him and irene adler straight together im going to thr authors house and shooting them point blank. shut up shut up shut up shut up. they would NOT
A random headcanon: man i dont even fucking know. he probably eats food off the floor and i mean this genuinely
General Opinion over said character: Sherlock Holmes is the ultimate Little Freak. Like 80% of the joy of any sherlock holmes media is ā€œWatch this Freak Behave Oddlyā€. Some people think he would be hard to get along with personally i think we would make very good friends and i would love to hang out with the Freak.
Man. I hope this post isnā€™t actually as long and hard to look at as it looks in the mobile post editor. Unfortunately it probably is
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spikeinthepunch Ā· 1 year ago
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i wanna say i hate to compare BG3 and DAI buuuuut you know they have similar intentions not including the combat system. theyre both high fantasy RPGs that focus on major story choices/consequences and making a protag that you can shape based on personality options, along with class/race specific effects on the way characters mold with you.
so. i think they can be compared, without any note of the technical advancements from since DAI came out of course.
and i say this just based on my current progress (i guess the first 'part'? i just got to the end of the druid grove stuff). i think the bg3 protag is fine! no issue there really, its different but i like what i can do. but i can feel the issues with romance in this game creeping up, as i had heard some things started before by others... that theres a very quick focus to romance. and honestly.... is it romance even at this starting point? immediately i am just asked about who i want to fuck. i like to fuck, i like the sexual relationships. but i can see where ppl may have their issues here.
on this first celebration with the party members, the woman who i helped do the raid with, who i literally dont know, before i even got to the party was like- i am talking to you in your mind and i want to fuck you in thanks for this. and she is the one character you can just fuck without any relation with. and then i talk to Astarion who is like, who do you want to fuck tonight lol? and even if i hadnt talked w him, every other character there except Gale had the option to suggest i wanted to fuck them. bro i hardly even know these guys still. i want to fuck astarion eventually and im glad he turned me down bc honestly why would he accept?. but shadowheart and laezel were totally up for it!!! and man i hard travelled with laezel bc i dont like her lol.
and listen i am sure i will get to learn way more abt these characters that i romance but the fact i am opened up to the sex option immediately is just. so strange when i compare it to the romances of DAI. i think i could take a few characters who just want sex. thats normal. not everyone wants commitment and i would actually like that nuance. but also, really putting the sex on so quick and so blatantly is a surprise to me even as someone who wants to have sex stuff all the time!! but i like good writing too! and i imagine its even more uncomfy for others who really didnt expect or want that. to just assume you character wants to have sex so fast is weird and the only other option denying everything (no implication you want just romance/are interest but dont want sex) is just wild to me too.
DAI has such well written romances. really. i saw ppl saying they were excited this game would blow bioware's romance writing out of the water but i dont think i can say that at all rn and im not sure this current impression will change enough for me to say otherwise entirely....
this also goes into why "everyone is bi" isnt always good. because i think it takes a lot of potentially personal weight out of the writing. not even in that if one character is gay then there will be oppression angst between them and you for being gay. or that the straight one will voice their straightness in context of gays existing in world. its about how "everyone is bi" isnt actually good, chosen bi rep. its just a game mechanic thrown in to satisfy all ends. we can have bi characters, we just cant have them all being labelled that in order to fill that check mark.
dorian is a really good example in DAI of how a character being strictly gay and also facing in world oppression makes his romance storyline SO good. its so important for sexuality labels to exist bc it makes you an individual of your own. and for it to be EXPRESSED in some form too. a character should be able to voice their thoughst on their unique sexuality when you romance them. but the 'everyone is bi just because' means like no character is every talking about that, let alone in a meaningful way when the reason applies to every other companion.
sorry did not mean for this to become a rant on romances. im still looking forward to the writing that will unfold with these characters but i think its so important to not get lost in the hype (and the hate to DAI? which i think is just hate to bioware really) bc people ALWAYS get to ahead of themself when they hear "you can romance anyone regardless of gender" without thinking twice about whether or not that makes it good writing or rep
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isthathaecrane2 Ā· 1 month ago
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whats ur personal view on those who are so deluded that they really do believe two same sex idols could be together even if its obvious some probably have had a relationship before with a female or they could already be in one or just want to remain single for the time being. i feel like its so weird to me how overanalysed in group shipping has got and people really do look at a normal interaction between two male or female idols and go yuo thats more romantic than anything else.
without even considering whay the idol personally want themselves and without a thought of it being fanservice or just their natural interaction aka not for fans but a mere bromance without making it legimate. and if u try to point out the obvious u do get called homophobic which i am aware this sounds like id be against it if there were some gay idols which im not i particularly dont care for some things and shipping is one of them and i dont care for idols sexuality either but its the way its kinda shoved in everyones face on social medias aspect and u kinda cant avoid it now and every other fsn is always mentioning them in their videos so u have to play along with it even tho u think some ships are more marketing tactic whilst others are more natural friendship.
it always seems that some idols will be tied to the same ship and thats mainly what ppl obsess with them about in thr group and if its not that then it seems to be say their relative or tall cousin or them being jealous of their kindergarten crush is another one ive seen occur a lot is when idols seemingly cant be free to interact around the opposite gender bc all hell will break loose as u have seen with seunghoon of riize. im like do ppl really expect idols to avoid dating altogether? apparently so.
its shame because so many would genuinely be lovely to date even if only short term yet it would feel like id be stepping over someone elses shoes and offending them bc oh look how dare their fave be with someone whos a hag? type thing especislly they like to bring age into it as they saw with jimin and that actress who was only older than jin by 1-2 years yet they were acting like jimin was a 16 yo. its really quite shocking to me even after all this time of following idol groups how stuck up it can be about certain idols dating who cause internet meltdowns ik jk will be worse off for it as well same maybe for san of ateez.
sorry for my ramble but id love to know ur thoughts on the matter.
(I don't know who you are but the questions you ask and what ever you type out is just so fun to answer) Honestly, the whole idea of fans believing that idols from the same group are dating is kind of amusing. Itā€™s not a homophobic thing; itā€™s just a wild delusion. Letā€™s be real: K-pop idols are products of the entertainment industry. These companies shape their images based on what fans want, and sometimes that leads to some pretty crazy theories and ships.
Take the example of Baekhyun and Chanyeol. Like, hello? Baekhyun has already dated Taeyeon!(they could have been OG couple or the power couples of korea)
Itā€™s baffling how some people come to these conclusions. They really think, ā€œOh, they exchanged a glance? They must be dating!ā€ or ā€œLook at their matching outfitsā€”definitely an item!ā€ Itā€™s super cringey.
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And donā€™t even get me started on how ENHYPEN plays into this whole idol-boyfriend concept with their ā€˜Oh, Iā€™m your boyfriendā€™ lines to engenes. Again, that's how it works?!
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Sure, I get why fans look for any excuse to ship idols together. But let's be honest; some of those edits and 18+ clips floating around can be a bit much. Like, chill out, people! Mark and Haechan are just friends, but I guess some fans canā€™t help but over-analyze everything. Itā€™s a bit creepy, to be honest, but thatā€™s what weā€™re fed by the industry.
People act like itā€™s a crime for idols to date, especially in the K-net world. But come onā€”most idols and actors are definitely dating; itā€™s just that fans obsess over them and forget theyā€™re human too. Theyā€™re all stunningly good-looking, so why would we expect them to stay single?
I honestly wish more dating news would come out because it would give fans a reality check. They need to remember that these idols have lives outside of their music and performances!
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All I would say my oponionssss matter~
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crazyalien87 Ā· 5 months ago
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Fuuuck i hate everything sometimes
I have stuff to do e.g. drink wtaer but im stucking staringbat this website til i post what i wanna post.
Anyway here it is
Idk if im fucking trans or not bc i kinda want ti transition but i dont need to and i wont bc im a fucking coward. Also in 2020-2023 time frame there was other shit goin on basically i hated mysekf and therefore my face and voice and name but convinced myself it was gender dysphoria instead but it wasnt.
Also i uses to have fucking dysphoria of no dick but only after i started wesring fake dick?!?!? after i got straight bf i stopped wearing it and decided i was not trans. But something is off?? But like i still wanna call myself a woman bc that is my experience u know i am female. i havent transitioned or come out publicly or anything ok evetyone knows im a woman. but i cant call myself a fucking cis woman. idk man i just wanna be a buff woman with facial hair and a dick or better yet i wanna be a shapeshifter so if i date het guy or lesbian i will not have dick but if im with a bi person maybe i can have a dick. it is weird bc like i mainly want a dick for fucking women not for gender reasons. Before tho i felt i needed it to be seen as cool or something (sexism). (despite not wanting others to know about it, i just wanted like big dick energy but just dick energy).
So now idk. Bc Im a woman and im fine with most aspects of it. But there still be 2 male things i want: facial hair and a dick. But women can have facial hair. I just want it for style purposes. Not even for gender (?). Also the dick it is for sex so really i should just get a strapon. So like ???. I cant be like a year ago or something when i say my gender identiy is mix of male and female when i just wanna be female but with masculine style and (having) sex? Right??? Idkk bruhhh. Im just a woman who wants facial hair and a strrapon. So im cis? But why it doesnt feel right?! I mean i even have facial hair but barely any so i want more. Like if i used minoxidil to get more is that a transition? Am i an admasculine cis woman?!šŸ˜­bruh.
Why cant i just be female/woman (sex) and then my gender identiy is like genderqueer woman or some shit. Bc i have fem and masc interests and traits and etc. Idk dude. But then i feel im bending to patriarchy if i have to give myself a separate kinda woman identity bc i want a mustache and i wear jeans. Like damn. But facial hair is male, right? it makes no fucking sense like why does testosterine even affect hair like why does beards and baldness help ur sperm or ur caveman hunting or some shitšŸ˜­. Why cant we all just be mammals with hair and style it how we want?šŸ˜­ Why is beard connected to ballsšŸ˜­Evolution is fucking stupid sometimes because damnšŸ˜­
Idk feel like genderqueer woman is best maybe and just not state if im cis?!?!?! wtf idk man maybe i am cis. But then i cant relate to other women as much as i think i should sometiems and i get confused againšŸ˜­I had a while friend grouo of sevral men from my computer science classes in uni is that not normalšŸ˜­(sorry im just ranting rn this is so random)
Like genderqueer doesnt just mean nonbinary it can also mean gnc but like is me wanting to eff a woman with a dicklike strapon queer? straight in a gay way or gay in a straight way? But really i wanna be shapeshifter and only have dick when i have sexy gf who would like it and only when we gonna fuck so it is not gender thing but like??šŸ˜­ Can a cis woman want that?! But i dont have woman gender identity tho, i dont have brain that needd to be female i just am. Like if i was born male would i still wanna be female??? Maybe?? But i wouldnt remove my dick and I'd be a trans woman with no bottom dysphoria but then ppl would say im not a real trans woman if i like my beard and dick so i would be nonbinary...Idk wtf is happening herešŸ˜­. Unless i do want a dick all the time not in shapeshifter way but i know i dont need it and i dont want to ruin my chances of a relationship with a gynesexual person like how i almost ruined my relationship with my ex bf But if i want a dick in general (not just for sex) but I dont need it then im not trans right? But if i had it i wouldnt remove it so like...I wouldnt be a 100% binary trans woman if i was born male so i cant be a 100% binary cis woman?!šŸ˜­
It sucks bc like some ppl say trans is only if u need to transition but some say want is enough. Some say it is only if u transition or not. I'd never get s fake dick surgery if I don't need it...But I would totally use minoxidil to grow facial hair if it werent for: 1. it is toxic to cats 2. What if ppl hate me for it (like those who affect me like family, friends, coworkers, or boss...) 3. What if it is hard to shave or there are pimples in the way or something (much lesser issue than the others but I might as well mention it). But purposefully giving myself more facial is not trans bc some women can grow full beard naturallly...right?! Is my gender 98% woman, 1% beard, and 1% dick?!?!?! or maybe 100% woman but also 1% mustache and 1% dick
But this is all assuming i should define my identity on what i want but that changesšŸ˜­ ~3 years ago i wanted a somewhat maler face and voice like androgynohs at least but now i dont even care. But i was so sure of it when my mom asked me about itšŸ˜­ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
What if one day i grow a mustache but then realize i dont like it and shave it off??!?!?! That is normal for men and i wish i had that goddamnšŸ˜”šŸ˜­
Maybe im just a woman with hella masculine and feminine energy. Androgynous personality and vibes. What the hell am I on about?šŸ˜­.
tl,dr: Im female and I like it but I want a mustache and a dick but I don't need those things so idm if it makes me not cis or notšŸ˜­. Fuck why cant i just be a woman who wants some stuff?
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echoesofadream Ā· 2 years ago
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wait do u still find him attractive like. his hair is giving me a very specific vibe but I just cant place it I just know its disgusting. like my mans can NOT rock long hair I mean I guesss the butter hair did grow on me after he already cut it but this hair... like... idk man something about it just makes him seem so disgusting to me.... anyway bts in general have been struggling w looking too rich now and I hate rich ppl too much I cant... idk for some reason his hair makes me think of a sweaty vagina which I dont find gross on the right girl ya know but when its a mans head... and the fact that he is saying all this shit with this ugly hair style.. sorry but when ur hot u can get away with more but he is strugglinggggg anyway are u gonna watch the yoongi x hoshi (gay man from seventeen) podcast when it drops?? im so excited
LISTEN dont expect me to have normal correct opinions on anything jungkook does is or has ever . i TOTALLY understand what you mean like sure yeah disgusting probably. But i cant see it like that. I think twitter brainrot did me in or something I DONT KNOW i just . You know you feel the strongest when you feel mixed feelings well idk but in this case thats true for me. Like love-hate. I cant explain what i feel or why im feeling it, i cant make sense of it all i know is it is STRONG and BIG when i see him. maybe i have alexithymia? or maybe its that i just feel so much i have to call it something but its not positive but i dont hate him so i think it must be that i think he looks good? Well personally i like long hair jungkook. Born to twirl his hair around his finger etc. but its not just the hair its the glasses the tattoos the face the nose and his puppy eyes. I hate him. but i dont know him and im coming to terms with the fact that the real him probably wouldnt live up to my fantasy. and it makes me feel so weird about him because then all the things about him are put in a different context! and i dont like it as much! but all my feelings all my accumulated love feelings are still there! so im conflicted. I KNOW ITS NOT THAT DEEP THATS WHY MINGYU IS BETTER FOR ME I NEED TO HEAL AND BECOME . NORMAL ABOUT THIS KPOP BOY. Ugh.
I also agree and im afraid they have become so rich and privilieged for lack of better word they dont even realize it anymore. Like they still think of themselves as underdogs while still living an insane life. and army loves all that shit so much they see it as some weird kind of revenge. wow i am so tired i want to say so much more but my brain is giving up on me. But yeah thats so fun i wish they did more collabs within hybe why should sm fans have all that funzzzzzZZZZZZZz
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dirt-grub Ā· 4 years ago
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also really love stanchez bc 1) need to see more gross old men in love and 2) there is just something that slays my soul about two broken people finding love waaay later in life after theyā€™ve long since given up on it 3) i just fucking remembered rick is canonically pan so holy shit. utilize that motherfuckersĀ 
#like im having trouble wording this but as a professional mlem i love seeing depictions of older men in happy relationships with each other#ofc i know not all stanchez is like that lmao i know how rick and morty as source material be#but like. it makes me happy that ppl arent just in it for the young attractive guys having young attractive sex#like. show me old gays! show me gross gays! show me shit id see in real life that isnt picture perfect!#and also that like idea that i can be happy that far into my life as a mlm#like. i wont just have an epic gay phase while im young and desirable and then be alone forever#does this make any sense lmao#this is also why i like fiddauthor but i feel like stanchez just takes it another step of like#weird gross bastards who arent the greatest people and do a lot of morally grey shit#its an important thing to have depicted i think idk im having trouble with words tonight#might get a little into this ship but i have to see like it 100% depends on how redeemable rick is bc i cant remember#like neither stan nor ford are great uncles but from what i remember rick is like a straight up bad grandpa#idk rick and morty is a little outside my normal taste but i could maybe give it a chance#a lot of cool people who's work i like are not only fans but good friends with the creators so i will see#i saw the second season when it came out and then forgot about it bc of the giant fucking hiatus between those two seaons#idk even how many they have now man its been forever s2 came out when i was in middle school#if theres anything fucking huge im overlooking about rick and morty let me know lmao bc i have a vague feeling there was something like#that bothered me about it or was problematic but i cant remember what it was and i think that might have been my reaction to fans#like. Those ones. the white boys who raided mcdonalds for the sauce and think theyre much smarter than they are lol#did appreciate that rick canonically fucks dudes AND aliens. like good for him#also wasnt jerry demisexual? i like that as a demi myself :3#i cannot think of literally a single demi character so thats nice!!!#even if it is. you know. jerry#i also remember really liking morty but sometimes he gave me like wicked second hand anxiety because hes just that anxious#but uh relatable ADLSJC#idk its a weird piece of media bc its not really focused on shit like continuity or being based in any kind of reality#so it is hard to gauge moral character when its so ungrounded and balls to the wall insane#but idk man#i doubt ill get into the show itself i kinda dont even plan on watching it its not exactly my style too gross out n gory but stanchez good#connor talks
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pandoratheprocrasticreator Ā· 2 years ago
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You know that flavor of ppl who aren't like homophobic by the strictest definition. Like they don't hate queer ppl and are even enthusiastic to co-exist with them but are like. Weird about it. Not in the "I'm fine with queers i just dont want them shoved down my throat" bc thats just homophobia but like the gluten free version of that.
This phenomenon is more harmful irl but im pulling examples from fandom bc thats where i spend most my time online these days and shipping is inconsequential enough to discuss. If a boy and a girl interact at all in one scene theres immediately a whole community for their ship and no one bats an eye. But shippers of gay ships that dont interact are filled with ppl who lord them as their "uwu gay babies" and shippers who are normal about it get plagued with ppl asking them for "proof theyre a couple." And when you do the same for a straight ship ppl retort with "this isnt hurting anyone so leave us alone" which could be a reasonable argument. But the same ppl using that for their straight ships are also the ones asking for cited sources that the author didnt intend for characters in a gay ship to be entirely straight.
Same with other queer headcanons. Trans hcs will have ppl saying that "i PERSONALLY never saw them as trans your headcanon is valid but i need you to give me an essay on your reasons bc WHY WOULD THEY BE TRANS." Ace headcanons are similar except with ppl also telling the hperson with the ace headcanon that they ship this character with someone. And ofc theres the "arent characters allowed to be friends" argument which again. Is valid. But the ppl making that for queer headcanons also often parade screenshots where a boy and girl in a show look at each other and say "this is proof theyre canon."
And maybe its just bc ive been into more queer media lately but these kids of ppl are worse when the media actually has canon queer characters? Ppl flock to the safe and canon gay ships and use that as a shield against accusations of bias. They CANT be homophobic or even biased against queer people because look! They thought it was cute when these two secondary girls held hands! This character has gay dads and this person supports that! They just want you to write an academic paper to justify your ship existing because YOURE the crazy one whos bringing shipping into everything. No one has to reexamine their implicit biases whatsoever. It feels performative.
Ofc this also extends to other biases. The main character of this book is black so the fandom cant be racist. Thats why its perfectly fine for them to hyperfocus on the angsty white boy in the secondary cast and ignore the main poc characters. No one needs to think about why that consistently happens in every fandom like this. This main character is a girl! And shes also a Strong Female Character whos quirky. So we dont need to think about how the fandom lauds around the male villains as sexy and write pages of meta on their motivations and then call female villains "bitches" and talk about the graphic ways they should be killed and maybe sexualize them if theyre conventionally attractive but in a more dehumanizing way than the male villains. And ofc if you call fans out for this, they jump behind the shield of "liking diverse media." Which makes them immune to accusations of bigotry. This is also true for creators of media btw.
Anyway its like. I would rather deal with these kinds of ppl than actual homophobes, especially regarding non fandom topics that actually affect irl ppl. But also these people are so much more annoying than actual homophobes. Bc like. If you tell me you support queer ppl then act like it, you know?
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istherewifiinhell Ā· 3 years ago
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reading progress: chapter 157
highlights (this book is my coworker now at least its pulling its weight edition)
144 all the drama about whose the strongest & hankim just owt what a laff. well about time to kill ya i think
yjh conflicted feelings abt kdj every time hes in strife ouagh
I do love the body swap take a load off buddy times
'but i wasnt the normal yjh' -> yjh cant come to the phone right now why cause hes dead consciousness isnt in control right now
dunno how to describe kdj attitude with nirvana other than 'dick swangin'
145 the fourth wall can eat now... (coping with frankly the most horrific scene this book has had for me)
146 unfortunately meta part of being on ch 146 of 550 is kdj is 'dead' and im just like omg ppl are telling this story are they <.<
god everyone is so sad about it tho. kdj what a shit
GOD why does yjh look upset!?! its a fucking mystery dokja
DEAD KDJ: The Hottest Commodity on the star stream
147 yeah yeah weve all seen the greek god family tree
goddesses who rip up homosexuals? Uriel SAYS WHAT??? JESUS CHRIST BOOK (cultist of Dionysus usually ripped up animals, i think goats, maybe pigs?, if you even care)
148 SWK!!! BABY BOY
god your so bad at reading yjh. why hes so upset WHO KNOWS (im not starting a counter for having that exactly note but u get it)
149 COPYRIGHT?
150 your just moving into a nebula together huh... uhauling...
eheh they are holding hands tho
152 wait is min jiwon dead -> terrified of the first significant and lasting character but given the genre idk if thats even a thing
record scratch... is kdj ugly cause his face has a perception filter
153 shin yoosung is his fucking daughter T_T
HSY + YJH epic sharing a boyfriend moments
155 blegh trans misogyny time i see
lhs: im just gonna keep grabbing you so i know ur still alive okay -> T_T
157 giving the demon earl yjh name is such a bitchy move. also. weird gay thing
rotating: trying to do anything other than the christian yaoi.... okay like the kdj schemes that leave everyone really grieving him for a week. thats hey dude. also his new "big constellation energy" he was already cocky... but okay lemme try and open the gate at least a little on nirvana. no i dunno just jesus fucking shit. the immortal versus mortal angst. in the philosophical sense. is always a pretty strong theme. definitely curious if this is just a domino for a further. something. also why didnt i note this.. but line smth like "no human can maintain philosophical outlook when facing death" pretty raw line and definitely an interesting position to take.
also in term of real rpm factor. like. as the notation frequency shows. yhj.... oh this man. far be it from me to be 1/4th thru a book and be like. oh im gonna have my own little interpretation of him. but i will be sitting in my little corner with my very specific reading on his behaviour thus far and ill just live like that. ill gladly wait for the irony to smack me in the face if im proven wrong. anyway this man is swooning and being romanced (unintentionally) by an idiot and i feel for him.
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jubberry Ā· 4 years ago
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oohkay let's go tua with those ship asks: fiveya, horrance and alluther.
thanks el i love you
Send me a ship and I'll answer three questions based on if I ship it or not.
fiveya obvs i ship this since this is 90% of my tua drawings lol
1. ill wait ill wait (to be the one) by georgiestauffenberg made me ship it cause holy fuck dude. I dont know if i ship them romantically when i saw them onscreen cause first of all, age difference is kinda weird lmao. Second, they dont rlly interact much outside literally the first couple of eps. But he was so soft for her, and i felt like they had so much unexplored history.
so i looked at fanfics cause i was wondering if ppl still ship it, then i liked the description of this one so i gave it a go.
Basically the premise is that vanya dates a much older man who seems to know a lot about her. And it was amazingly in character and just provided their characters some depth that u wouldnt find outside of a romantic relationship between them. (The implication of five pining while she doesnt know who he is, their missed chances when he time travelled, fives missed chances of living and having a 'normal' life bec of his own hubris, vanyas insecurity and being able to open up bec shes with someone whos known her since childhood). Its so sweet and thats how i was like, oh yep i can do so much more with these two, and what has kept me interested in drawing them etc.
2. My favourite things are the shippers cause i made some friends in the fandom who are super cool and supportive! I dont get super involved in fandoms and usually just watch from afar so finding people to talk to and muck around with in this tiny fandom is super cool šŸ˜­
Though thats not to say I havent come across some bad apples in this fandom and things that I dont like. I think thats the importance of carving out a place for yourself and ur friends in fandom tho.
Another thing I like about the ship itself, i just like the grumpy person whos soft for one person trope. Its so cute. I like all the little clues in canon on how their relationship as kids is quite warm, which is interesting cause five is basically the star student and he can be quite cold vs vanya who is the black sheep of the family.
I also like how five likes her powers even when she caused the apocalypse he spent the majority of his life in lol. Like its a popular hc that five is just a wife guy and i love that.
I see vanya as the type who has a lot of love to give, and she sometimes has unrealistic expectations of what her partner can give. Betrayal and lies really angers her, but also when her partner cannot meet her expectations of love she gets very upset bec its also an indication of how shes not good enough, or not loveable enough to be able to have this in the relationship (her insecurity means every failing always comes back to her, even if its out of her control).
I feel like five would be a level-headed person enough in the relationship to not be afraid to say 'vanya ur being stupid' (ie. the s2 confrontation lmao). Also, five's personality means she will never have to doubt his actions bec she knows hes the type who will not give u the moment of the day if hes not interested.
Not to mention they also have the whole apocalypse vs. saviour, hero/villain thing. Theres just a lot to explore!
3. I probably have several. But mostly I dont mind five being a dick to vanya bec first, even if the appeal is hes soft to her hes already kind of a dick in canon lmao. Also, vanya isnt a child. Shes grown and she can handle petty af things like five telling her shes not good at cooking lol. I also dont mind it cause I feel like people are getting too afraid to write... conflict for fear or portraying an abusive relationship or smth. Like, chill. Conflict is fine, resolving it is how u get a story. However in saying that, nobody should be obligated to write any way unless you want to! Fanfic is for comfort so if what your doing is making u happy then its good enough!
horrance which i also ship but i love the platonic and romantic relationship equally:
1. I came in tua in general not shipping anything so Im honestly not sure. I do remember someone doing a meta before s2 came out that was basically how ben acted weird when klaus summoned dave in s1 that made me go šŸ‘€ Otherwise, tua s2 rlly made me like them cause tua FED horrance shippers. Like..... the fact that klaus didnt want ben to leave him, and ben knows thats why he stayed šŸ˜¢ or the fact that klaus was all over him for some reason???? Somebody also mentioned gay ben once and I resonate with that deeply. Like i get that jill exists but i resonate with gay ben deeply.
2. I love their bickering, theyre so cute together. I just like ben being angry bec hes self aware that hes got both shit and amazing taste. Shit bec he cant believes he likes Klaus (and also amazing also bec Klaus). I think the idea of them being kind of underdogs, theyre not rlly leader types and dont want to be, helps them bond together even in platonic horrance. They're both down to earth, and even tho they can annoy each other, they also know if they want a space to feel comfortable its with each other. Theyre not pressured by rivalry over leadership, or any sort of competition.
I love the idea that even tho ben is like klaus's ''conscience'', hes also down for chaos and bitchy. I feel like klaus rlly enabled that side of him, its not exactly a good thing but its p funny lol
3. I know some people think their dynamic is unhealthy but i dont care lol
alluther. So id say i dont ship this, mostly due to the fact that im not invested? Just like all tua ships so far I rlly came out not wanting anything but platonic relationships cause I feel tua doesnt do romance very well. With alluther, theyre so cute but im not super invested in either of their chars so they havent stuck for me. I appreciate seeing them and talking about them tho, and I'm def open to exploring them further.
1. I think tua canon romances are just so lackluster šŸ˜” Idk who writes the romances but I was just like 'nice' but afterwards I dont really think about them. I love their dance scene and the message behind it! Otherwise, theyre sweet like most of the tua romances but im not super invested, same with all the non canon ships.
2. I really feel like tua needs to decide on what their relationship is. Like, just say its incest or not and stick with it šŸ‘€ Or if you wanna support it or not, just make up ur mind. I think I would've liked it better if I found the characters more interesting. Allison especially I feel like suffers from the fact that tua just doesn't want to make her ''mean''. They want to make her supportive and are less interested in making her flawed (ie. she should've had a conflict with Vanya in s2, but the writers didnt want to write the girls fighting which is stupid imo and not what that conflict is about).
In regards to Alluther, the scene where Allison gets annoyed at Luther for sleeping with someone else felt out of line. Like, how are you marrying other people and moving on but Luther isn't allowed to? But honestly, I don't mind if they actually just acknowledge it and make it a deliberate part of Allison's trait that Allison can expect a certain loyalty automatically from other people (which can tie in to her childhood being a star, and the rumour).
Luther is a big simp for Allison, which is sweet, but at the same time it would be nice to have him explore himself for a bit, and who he is outside of the academy. Then maybe they can rekindle their relationship again as new people and see where they go from there.
3. I don't hate them, but they're ok. I'm not super invested in them, just like all the tua canon romance. But I wouldn't mind making content for them if I were a bit more invested in their characters. I love their dance scene in s1 and I feel like its super a underrated portrayal of what their relationship is meant to be. I know no one talks about it but it's just such a great scene, and I'm pretty sure the choreographer was into interpretive dance? The scene had a lot of meaning that I don't see people dig around with.
Essentially I'm pretty sure the fairy lights are obviously a throwback to their childhood together, spending time outside of Reggie. So the dance scene kind of symbolized that pocket of space they made for each other in their life (even if theyre far away, or with other people, they will always have that space for each other).
The way they danced was more like playfighting than dancing, which means their relationship isn't sensual. It's more ''pure'', and romantic. Its basically two kids rekindling their love as adults. I also think this is a response to the incest, cause in s1 tua klaus literally said that 'thank god Regg is not their real father' right before Allison and Luther meet lmao. So its kinda like saying Allison x Luther isnt supposed to be 'ohh step sibling hot' but two people who experienced the same trauma as kids and finding comfort with each other (and rekindling that love after many years).
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joculatrixster Ā· 3 years ago
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As a fellow lgbt member and ally, would it be okay to ask for a further insight from you of why certain people in fandoms act this way?
I've seen a lot of these fans, be it from cr or any other fan of media, make jokes and sometimes are being serious about hating cishet people. Why so?
i assume u had another ask but i don't see it so ill just answer here
because we are the butts of their jokes. our existences r seen as slurs, death sentences, sins, shame to our families and worthy of death. its mainly jokes or frustration/venting, because cishets dont understand us or our issues and it's just. hard sometimes ok? coping w/ humor or lashing out is all some ppl have left
fandom spaces online r how some ppl who r closeted can feel safe and free and ppl do act up a lot but most ppl just poke fun at cishets because for them its the only way they CAN turn the tables, no ones going to be disowned or called slurs for being a cishet but they would be for being trans or gay. its not that big of a deal when i say "hahah no cookie can legally be cishet!" because there r millions of cishet characters out there, I'm not taking anything from anyone saying that. cishet is seen as the default and "normal" we are seen as the weird queers. hell our identities r even seen as insults, if they get to think its funny to call someone gay because the idea is being gay is bad or weird why cant i do the same?
I'm not mad at u or anything its literally just, they r our oppressors dude it doesn't have the same weight making fun of cishets as it does queer ppl, because cishets r not oppressed for being cishet, as a queer person of color i think cishets that r genuinely offended by those jokes need to understand my identity is seen as a joke by the majority. me making fun of u once is nothing
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bi-lesbian Ā· 4 years ago
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So I've read and seen shit over the years where self-identified gay men have admitted to being like a Kinsey 5 and sometimes/very rarely being interested in women (very infamously, Stephen Fry has an interview where he talks about having feelings for a woman co-worker), and their gayness is never questioned? It's maybe in part because people don't think men can be bisexual at all, but it's weird that these men can admit to a bisexual attraction while having a gay identity and no one bats an eye.
oh ! i never heard of the kinsey scale before, i just looked it up tho, thats neat :Oo that does seem to be a good thing to use to help describe specifics of sexualities sometimes !
also yeah man.. in my experience, gay, at least for men, is not discoursed/policed anywhere near the point the lesbian label is. and my suspect is that its probably mostly bc of political lesbianism/radfem rhetoric. if the idea of "you have to completely separate from men to be a "true" lesbian and a "true" feminist, or youre aiding in womens oppression by sleeping with men" didnt spring up around the 70s to make lesbian into an exclusionistic political identity, i dont think lesbianism would be argued and policed on so much.
and also, seriously how can anyone not see how biphobic that is??? political lesbianism literally says liking men makes ur support/love of women lesser, that you cant be fully trusted if you associate with men, and that its aiding in your own oppression if you do. (thats also a bad mindset to force onto straight women feminists if thats the only gender they like and they really want to be in relationships- but thats a bit off topic since im focusing on bi & lesbian relations rn fjzkjf)
i just. really really hate how normalized this exclusionistic view of lesbian is. the more and more i look into the history of this, the more blatantly biphobic shit i find and its just so fucking uncomfortable. im so tired of it all !! im so tired of lesbian being policed on so many different and way more standards than every other fucking label ! identity policing is exhausting and Ngl kinda fucking drives me crazy sometimes
ppl can be technically bi but use gay/lesbian or whatever else if they feel more described with those labels (like having very minor attraction to other genders, so prefer to state the gender/s they like most). or ppl can be gay/lesbian but use bi if they wanna for liking multiple genders (like only women and enbies or only men and enbies). or use multiple ones for labels like bi lesbian ! or use neither ! other things! whatever! ppls experiences are vast and its why we have such a vast range of terms ppl like to use to label themselves with! we dont need to fit into just a few neat boxes or have those boxes be extremely strict and separate
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seerofmike Ā· 5 years ago
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i feel like a huge portion of kpop fans are gay fetishists attracted to the idea of quote unquote feminine men and thats why theres so much bullshit
YES okay. okay let me rant for a minute. let me preface this by saying i am NOT a kpop shipper at ALL. this is going to be long so iā€™ll put it under aā€™Ā ā€˜read moreā€™ because iā€™ve been holding it in for TWO FUCKING YEARS BABY!
being mlm in boygroup kpop fandom is literally so exhausting. 99% of the people who ship real life human men from boygroups are fetishists and i will tell u why
obviously we all know of a ship in a fandom where the characters' personalities are twisted to fit the heteronormative view of "top" and "bottom" --one character is hypermasculine (top) and the other one is feminine (bottom). there are typical traits associated with both. the ā€˜topā€™ is scary or mean or angry or serious while the ā€˜bottomā€™ is emotional or bubbly or shy. while this is egregious, at least its fictional characters. their personalities can be simplified or exaggerated and it doesnt cause any real life harm.
im going to define what i think of as a fetishist: a non-mlm person who overly sexualizes gay men/men they think are gay/gay ships, and forces them into heteronormative roles for their own pleasure. its not even limited to cishet women. plenty of non-mlm lgbt people do this too and its like disheartening. so anyways
enter the kpop fandom
i may be incredibly biased here because one of the most affected members [of bts] is my favorite kpop boy, but oh god is theĀ ā€˜personality change/simplificationā€™ thing AWFUL here. i do not go out of my way to find fanart or see fanfic threads, but being in the bts fandom, u will inevitably see it and i REALLY wish i didnt
so anyways. my favorite boy ever is hoseok. he is sweet and hardworking and very passionate about dance and he can be serious when needed, but ultimately he tries to be very lighthearted and will consistently laugh or make jokes or do something funny when the other members feel uncomfortable or awkward (mostly during english-speaking interviews). he kisses the members on the cheek a lot/hugs them a lot/cuddles them a lot [this is important for later okay]
of course, theres a lot more to him because he is a multi-faceted real life human being, and i donā€™t know him personally, but thatā€™s a general idea of what heā€™s like, okay?
SHIPPERS will have you think differently. some video got popular on youtube ""proving"" that hoseok is a sadist (which is just clips of him jokingly playfighting with the younger members), and the video depicts him as secretly mean and serious, and shippers will use that to say "hoseok is a total top!" and then most fanart or imagines or fanfic threads you see are top!hoseok, using this imagined 'hoseok is a sadistic dom' narrative to fuel their fiction, because SOMEONE has to be the top, so they twist him into this hypermasculine mean person (and probably feminize the 'bottom' of their ship but more on that later)
EXCEPT it is not just fiction. this narrative bleeds into REAL LIFE. you have new armys who dont know anything about the shipping scene, and yet somehow the narrative of hoseok being a secretly mean, sadistic person has already made its way into them. in real life, hoseok likes rainbows and wearing nail stickers and putting glitter in his hair. yet people in the fandom will say shit like "hoseok hates femininity" "hoseok would never wear [thing] because he's a dom"
sometimes on twitter you have ppl like me who say uh actually you guys are really weird and this is fetishy and in real life hoseok is very nice and not sadistic at all, you will UNDOUBTEDLY get comments like "omg hoseok isnt cute/nice when will yall learn heā€™s secretly like [x] and [x]". you could post a video of hoseok with a puppy titled "wow cute" and u will get like 2 clowns in ur comments going 'hoseok isnt CUTE hes a sadistā€™ . i wish i was joking but i am not. they will do this for EVERY action hoseok does. he cannot blink without people twisting it into a sexual thing
[also, side note: its funny that, since hoseok is one of the least popular members and therefore one of the least shipped members, he is often the odd man out among pairings, and is assigned 'the straight one' by default, and 9 times out of 10 people who assign him 'the straight one' do all this 'dom daddy hoseok' shit.
which just goes to show that this is indeed a matter of heteronormativity.]
so anyways arguably the most popular ship with hoseok is with yoongi, sope. this absolutely happens to other ships probably but im just using them as an example because i see it the most, being a hobi stan
yoongi is very calm and thoughtful and kind and sometimes appears to be cold/having a bad attitude but its just because of the way he speaks, which is very bluntly. again hes a multi faceted real human and i do not know him personally but thats generally what hes like.
god the fandom. treats him SO BAD. so horribly. he's shorter than hoseok. he's shorter than hoseok and people will exaggerate that literal 1 inch height difference so bad and people will turn his whole personality into shy and blushy and In Love With Hoseok, so in love with hoseok thatĀ ā€˜he gets sadā€™ when hoseok doesnā€™t kiss him/hug him/or whatever and IT BLEEDS INTO REAL LIFE.
ANY time hoseok or yoongi do ANYTHING together at ALL, people will ALWAYS push the narrative that hoseok, being the mean sadist he is, is 'hurting' yoongi for not returning his undying love or whatever. hoseok did a vlive where he made bracelets for all the members and he considered putting a cat charm on yoongi's but ultimately decided not to because he was having difficulty and oh my GOD sope stans twisted it into 'hoseok HATES yoongi, yoongi would have been so happy, he would have worn that all the time, hoseok isnt affectionate he hates being close with other people after all :(' which is LITERALLY not true because hoseok gives all his homies good night kisses but okay! whatever fits your narrative!
PEOPLE ACTUALLY HATE HOSEOK BECAUSE OF THIS. BECAUSE OF A SHIP. BECAUSE OF THE MANUFACTURED NARRATIVE PUSHED ONTO HIM BY FETISHISTS SO HE COULD FIT INTO THEIR HETERONORMATIVE ā€˜TOPā€™ ROLE. not to be all wahh wahh hoseok is one of the least popular members BUT THIS IS LITERALLY A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR.
everyone """headcanons""" hoseok to be a top so they will make him a MEAN HYPERMASCULINE person. everyone """headcanons""" yoongi as a bottom so they will make him a SOFT UWU HYPERFEMININE person. shippers are literally pigeonholing the two of them into fujoshi-esque roles for jack-off material.
anyways this all boils down to: gay fetishists will do anything, ANYTHING, to twist characters or real life fucking people to fit their heteronormative view of top and bottom. top=mean and masculine, bottom=soft and feminine. hoseok is a real life human being. yoongi is a real life human being. they both have real life human personalities, and yet shippers twist their personalities into the opposite to fit their narrative, to the point where nonshippers will genuinely view the two of them as something theyre not.
you have tons of armys that theorize that hoseok's happiness is just a mask he puts on to hide a cruel nature. on twitter. on youtube. in fanart and fanfiction. you have tons of armys that truly believe that, despite literally all the evidence, believe he hates being cute, he hates being happy, he hates the members, and hes secretly a dom daddy fuckboy who wants to bend yoongi over a table. hes a real life human being and fetishists doing their fetish thing has real life consequences.
the same is true for bottom!hoseok stans: they overexaggerate his more cutesy personality traits and he does have a 'feminine' figure i.e. he has a rly small waist but they will overexaggerate that as well and give him huge hips and its disgusting but dom!hoseok is far more frequent with far more devastating consequences so i used that as an example but theyā€™re both bad.
people who """"headcanon"""" [like actually headcanon/firmly believe and not just joking or lighthearted] that members are gay will force these types of roles onto the members. if someone genuinely believes that like, yoongi is gay/bi/whatever, and then try to force this subby soft uwu persona onto him, they have no respect for gay people. they dont. gay people are simply objects for their fantasies. their view of gay people is so one-dimensional and so driven by fetishistsā€™ ideas that its actually disheartening.
and god bitches will deadass be homophobic yet still ship real ass human idols. not just for bts specifically but all boygroup fandoms. sometimes when you search up an idol's name, [idol] gay will be trending--whether it be because of people saying "im gay for him" or whatever, and a LOT of cishet people will try 'clearing' the searches because being gay is bad or something. people normallyĀ ā€˜clearā€™ the searches if something like [idol fat] or [idol ugly] are trending, which im telling you so you know the context that people only clear the searches when bad things are happening.
[never forget that time 'jungkook gay' was trending and bitches were like "lets clear the searches!" but their pinned tweet said some shit like "sub jungkook x dom jimin coffee shop smut au thread šŸŒˆ". bitches also be like i cant be homophobic i ship taekook]
and hoseok and yoongi arent the only ones affected ! we could get into why namjoon and jin (another popular ship) are often assigned 'dad' and 'mom' respectively, or the fact that gay fetishists not only twist members' personalities to fit their ship narrative, but will also force tropes onto them i.e. taehyung/jungkook shippers who will literally demonize jimin and call him a slut or say that he's trying to 'get in the way of' of taekook or 'steal' taehyung/jungkook but thats a whole DIFFERENT rant baby! racism/asian fetishism is also definitely a present factor in all of this but this focus was primarily on gay fetishism and heteronormativity.
oh my god i could also get into the severe transphobia/trans fetishism in this fandom too but this post is already long enough as it is
tl dr: gay fetishists will fetishize real life people and it has actual real life effects and we should ban straight women from shipping mlm
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