#I hate the Beatles fandom sometimes

[strwberrykisses]

john lennon was not a great guy all the time, no shit, but like. if we’re gonna call out john. why not call out fucking ringo???

“john was a wife beater!!” did you know that ringo brutalized his wife so vigorously and roughly while he was drunk that when he woke up he thought she had DIED???? like okay yeah he went to rehab but HE ALMOST KILLED HER??? SHE WAS ALMOST DEAD??? AND EVERYONE IS OKAY WITH IT???

sure it was decades ago. sure he’s changed. blah blah blah. but if we’re gonna blame john, we should blame ringo!! he actually sucks!!! and half the fandom acts like ringo is some cutesy little ball of sunshine and the least problematic member. what bubble are you living in!!

john was murdered before he was given the chance to fully turn things around and change entirely, which he was in the process of doing when mark chapman took his life. his ashes aren’t just gonna form a person again and give you a warm hug and an apology for so deeply offending you cause of a tiktok comment you saw that got your knickers in a knot. john was NOT a perfect man. definitely not the least harmful of the 4 beatles, and he definitely made a lot of bad choices.

but guess what. you know who can actually take responsibility for their shitty actions of the past and hypocrisy? you guessed it!! ringo!!!!

look if ringo has changed then that’s great and all solely for his family’s sake, good for him, but like c’mon. if you’re gonna be pissy at one of them and whine and moan about hypocrisy, pick the one who is still fucking alive and gaining profit from their fame and fortune, and still going around in 2024 saying peace and love.

also ‘you’re sixteen’ is a weird motherfucking song

[menlove]

hm I fear sometimes the beatles fandom overcorrects for the racist/misogynistic yoko hate by pretending she is a perfect girlboss who's never done a thing wrong in her life when in reality that itself is just another form of sexism/racism. like one of these days we will have to reckon w the fact that she is a Real Complex Human Being with a complex life who has just as many flaws and virtues as any man...... but that would require viewing women of color as People and that is beyond fandom like 90% of the time

[factcheckingmclennon]

hey! making a pinned that will for now hold some basic info/disclaimers & may in the future have a read more with a guide to deep dives

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james/lorraine, they/he/she, 24. BA in religious studies/history, going back for a MA in history in january (that's relevant okay that's my CREDENTIALS for this silly blog)

my main is @menlove

I am indeed a shipper! no hate is meant at all by this blog existing, I'm just a historian that is going crazy trying to sort out fact & fiction in this fandom. there's a lot of both and I think a blog like this could be useful

and in that vein, I will never, ever directly come after or @ anyone who shared that misinformation. if you send me a request and start it with "I saw so and so post x, is this real?" I'll make a post without your ask in it. I don't want to send hate anyone's way. if it's an older post, i'll probably link the source of the misinformation for the sake of clarity, but if it's a blog that's still active i won't & i'll just screenshot. (maccaswife1978 is not a real person btw dgshdhshs. as far as I know! sorry if anyone's ever had that username)

I'm always open to correction. I have 0 way of knowing or finding everything, so if you have a credible, reliable source that I didn't find in my deep dive of something I rated fake/neutral, please let me know! I'd love for some of these to be real

I also take requests! feel free to ask me about anything that you want fact checked. just know sometimes I might not be able to find an answer or I might be bogged down & not be able to answer just then. I'll do my best to get to everyone, but inevitably my mental health and life Will come first so......

rating system

fake- this is a source that, from everything I can find, only loops back to other mclennon blogs/forums. again, I'll take correction on these.

neutral- this is a source that is fake in some way but real in others. maybe it's a quote taken wildly out of context, or the quote passed around is fake but the content really did happen & has a more grounded source. or maybe it was written in a biography that didn't use citations and I have no idea where that author got that information, so you should take it with a grain of salt. or maybe it's something that isn't necessarily fake, but there's not enough evidence to definitively prove it one way or another (i.e. did anything happen in india?) whatever the case, this source has ended up neutral in the grand scheme of mclennon.

real- happy day for us all, these are for ones that turn out to be real! these are ones that are backed up by one or more reliable source & have hard evidence

source reliability

what do I mean by "reliable source"?

for me to count a source as "reliable" and count it towards a fact/quote being real, it has to be one of these things: first-hand (interviews, auto biographies, etc), recorded (video/photographic evidence, basically), or a well-sourced/respected biographer.

sources that fall into the in between category and might still earn a "real" rating but should be taken with a grain of salt are things like: second-hand sources (& who they are is important in determining how big that grain of salt should be), biographers who are allergic to sourcing, and things like lyrics/poetry/short stories which rely heavily on interpretation unless explained by either john or paul themselves. none of these automatically mean a "neutral" or "fake" rating, but they're taken into account.

and sources that will earn a fake rating once they're found to be the original source: tumblr blogs, deviantART pages, fan forums, gossip columns, etc. basically, if all I can find is someone writing out "slash beatles quotes" on a page in 2011, it's getting chucked in the bullshit pile unless someone else can find a source that predates it.

[idontwanttospoiltheparty]

Hot take : this fandom is extremely fixated on Paul and not just in the fannish adulation sense. Certain George and even John fans have this extreme negative fixation on Paul to the extent that they seemingly cannot appreciate their fave without tearing Paul down. To a certain extent, I can understand George fans' protectiveness on behalf of George but it's a bit weird that Paul is always the sole subject of mockery and derision for overlooking George when John was claiming in interviews that George and Ringo could have never made it without him and Paul even in the 1980s. Also, since prev anon mentioned the nme hug discourse, I've got this sense that certain parts of the j/p fandom consider it Paul's responsibility to 'fix' John mainly through whatever level of commitment John may or may not have asked/expected of him and so it's Paul's fault for pushing away John. Lastly, I'm kind of bored of every word in Paul interviews being picked apart to establish him as Uniquely Weird or something. At the risk of looking at things through a nostalgic lens, I feel like we used to have more interesting and engaging discussions about aspects of beatles history that have simply died down.

I agree with a lot of this so hard lmao 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣

Paul kind of lives in people's minds rent-free, whether you love him or hate him (yet ANOTHER Taylor parallel lmaooooo)

Also, I'll say it is less conflicting to direct anger at someone who's alive rather than someone who's dead, so I both get George's post-1980 attitude, and fans who focus more on Paul (partially because of George's attitude, which was very much informed by Paul being alive while John was not)

Re: Paul's responsibility: the thing is, I feel like the presupposition of all of that rhetoric is that obviously Paul wanted the same thing John wanted, so it's fine to expect Paul to fight for what he wants. This is where I feel people sort of treat real people like fiction, because being "disappointed" in Paul as a character makes more sense than being disappointed in him as a real human being.

But. Your last point…………… you're so right, there's so many much better conversations to be had than "look at this thing Paul said that is INSANE if you take it out of context, pretend to be surprised he words things awkwardly, and forget the time period this quote is from"… Half the time I find what he's actually expressing in those quotes a lot more interesting than the way they come across when approached incuriously. And it's fine to laugh at the wording sometimes! But yeah, it just kinda gets old when that's all there is.

[childofwonder]

I’m having a problem again. /srs /hj

I cannot understand Will’s character motivation for all of season 3.

I’m trying to comprehend it, I really am.

But like. Do you want to kill this man or do you want to run away with him?! The whole season I’m waiting and waiting for this man to kill Hannibal or run away with him and he DOES NEITHER.

Like he changes his mind every other second.

I HATE THIS SHOW. /not srs

FUCK YOU BRYAN FULLER /hj

I know the answer is both. He wants to kill him and run away with him, he would run away to prevent Hannibal’s death from someone else and then kill him himself. But then he’s also ready to watch the dragon kill Hannibal. WHICH DOESNT WORK BECAUSE THEN HE IMMEDIATELY GOES AND ATTACKS THE DRAGON TO SAVE HANNIBAL. AND LIKE WHILE THEY ARE ON THE RUN POST FALL ARE THEY STILL IN THIS LIMBO OF TRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER?! I DONT GET IT

I want to get it. I really want to get it. But it just doesn’t make sense. Not saying that Will can’t feel both ways about Hannibal but he really isn’t clear on it with himself or the audience. (THIS IS THE POINT RIGHT?!??! THATS HE DOESNT KNOW HOW HE FEELS???) PLEASE IM SO FUCKING CONFUSED. sometimes the fandom are really singular with Will like he only has one motivation. Usually people are like “he loves him, he doesn’t want to kill him.” BUT HE DOES WANT TO KILL HIM. FOR TWO SEASONS. LIKE YALL ARE MISSING IT OR IM DUMB? I CANT UNDERSTAND.

All this to say that I’m going to rewatch season two and three again.

But seriously. Will wants to kill him but can’t go through with it, right?? That’s the point. OR ELSE WHY ARE WE HERE? I refuse to misunderstand this show. I remember I was so clear about it when I first watched it and now it’s all murky in my mind. Eek

I don’t usually post these blog posts cuz I know they can be a little inflammatory. but whateva

I just want to understand the writing of season three better and this is how my thought process works.

Anyways, when I finish reading Red Dragon it’s over for you bitches (I’m going to be making so many blog posts comparing the show to the book. FRANCIS WILL BE A REALLY BIG FOCUS OF MINE. and Will, and Molly) (and Willy)

Sorry I just keep yapping at you, have a song suggestion for compensation (ITS SO HANNIGRAM CODED)

[your-unfriendlyghost]

4, 5, 7, 14

(Okay I really liked these ones fyi)

4. Rank the main 7.

  Ooh tough one. I guess right now, in order of favorite to least favorite, I’d have to go Sodapop, Two-Bit, Steve, Johnny, Ponyboy, Dally, and then finally Darry. But it’s pretty close, and the order changes day by day honestly- I like all of them a lot, y’know? I guess the only one I don’t think about too often is Darry. I still like him and think he’s a really well-written character- I just don’t have a lotta original thoughts about him, is all, whereas I do about all the others. 

5. What are your fave ships?

  In a truly shocking turn of events, I, a frequent draw-er and writer of Stevepop, am going to say Stevepop. I dunno, something about them just makes me happy. Reminds me of like…daydreams I had when I was twelve and crushing on my best friend, and trying to get her attention by doing stupid things and whatever…god I don’t really know how to explain why I like it. Before this fandom I didn’t usually ship things, to be honest. But I guess when I did it’d be stuff like Jesslake in Infinity Train, where it’s the sorta thing that can be seen as platonic or romantic. I reckon Stevepop scratches a similar itch in my brain lol

  But I also really like Marcia x Two-Bit, which I haven’t really talked about here much- They had good chemistry, y’know? I oughta draw something about them sometime

  And then finally there’s my DIY crack-ish ship Soda x Steve x Evie. I like them! It’s all the things I like about Stevepop, plus there’s a cool girl in the mix! I love cool girls! More folks should think about them i think

  I do like other ships okay too- like the Tarry crowd has dragged me in, and sometimes the Jally crowd does too, along with Purly and occasionally Johnnyboy. I’m not an active participant, but when I come across it, I sorta mentally nod and say “nice”, you dig? They’re like…my ship-in-laws. Or like…milk duds and hershey bars- candy I still enjoy, but reach for only after I’m out of milky ways and twizzlers.

7. What are your fave non-romantic relationships? (This can be close friends, familial, enemies or even just acquaintances)

  Two-Bit and Pony! I like them a lot. Their interactions in the book were some of my favorite parts. That line when Two-Bit was worried about Ponyboy using that broken bottle on the Socs…ugh that part was great. I remember reading it for the first time and just sitting there thinking about how much I liked that detail.

  Then on the opposite side of the coin, Steve and Pony lol. I LOVE how Pony doesn’t initially like Dally or Steve, and yet Dally’s chill with Pony…but with Steve the disdain is mutual. Jk I don’t think Steve really hates Pony- but he definitely thinks Pony’s kinda annoying. I like the idea of him watching out for Pony anyways though, like at school especially now that Soda’s not going.

14. Tell us five of your headcanons you basically see as canon

Sodapop has ADHD and maybe (?) dyslexia, but it’s the 60s so he won’t find out till he’s well into adulthood

Marcia gave Two-Bit her real number, and was disappointed when he didn’t call it. I like to imagine they end up remeeting at some point and going out together- even if that’s kinda unrealistic lol

Steve hated Dally when he first rolled into town, because Dally was everything he really wanted to be- tough, cool, and street-smart. And he was also scared of losing Soda, who thought Dally rocked- because Dally’s from New York and rides in rodeos! Eventually they became buddies though when Dally gave Steve a compliment or something. Not even a particularly good one- something like “Hey you ain’t bad at fighting”- just barely enough for Steve to feel like Dally’s earned a little bit of his loyalty. Might write fic/make a comic for this- it’s kinda niche but I think the idea is funny

Steve and Soda secretly listen to the Beach Boys at the DX. They can’t tell anyone because it’s not tuff to like a dumb California band. And Ponyboy would like the Beatles if he listened to them, but he doesn’t, so he won’t realize that until years after Beatlemania has died down

Steve is not just a Ponyboy hater but also a horses-in-general hater. He thinks horses are scary and unpredictable and that cars were invented for a reason. He was secretly relieved when Mr. Curtis stopped Soda from riding rodeos, because seeing Soda on a crazy horse gave him mad anxiety. Pretended he was sad though for Soda’s sake

Thanks so much for asking!! I loved answering these so much lol, definitely let me know your thoughts too on ‘em!

[heyjude19-writing]

20 questions for fic writers

Thanks for the tag @simplifiedemotions and @malpal132 ❤

1. How many works do you have on AO3?

Technically 27 as one is by a fantastic artist that used my words in their piece.

2. What’s your total AO3 word count?

717,180

3. What fandoms do you write for?

Harry Potter: Dramione, wolfstar, ronsy, nottpott, and coming soon(ish) drarry

4. What are your top 5 fics by kudos?

Remain Nameless

Movements, Contrived and Improvised

Between Certifiable and Bliss

In These Silent Days

Ceremonials

5. Do you respond to comments? Why or why not?

I really try to respond to every comment as it sometimes leads to fun discussions and even friendships. I also like letting readers know I appreciate their support. I haven't had the time or energy to do this with my recent WIP and I miss that aspect of fandom.

6. What is the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?

A Safe, Devoted Darkness. I love that little spooky story so much, it is my creepy goth child.

7. What’s the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?

Almost all of them do have happy endings, but the one that makes me want to cry and vomit rainbows the most is Remain Nameless.

8. Do you get hate on fics?

Sure do! 😎

9. Do you write smut? If so, what kind?

I do and I write all kinds, whatever the story calls for. I tend to write more emotional smut, where the sex scenes are furthering the characters' arcs/relationships but i've also written hate sex and pure kink.

10. Do you write crossovers? What’s the craziest one you’ve written?

Nope.

11. Have you ever had a fic stolen?

Yes.

12. Have you ever had a fic translated?

Yes, I have so much gratitude for translators in this fandom, thank you for making my stories more widely available.

13. Have you ever co-written a fic before?

None that have made it past the chaotic shared google doc stage.

14. What’s your all time favorite ship?

Dramione.

15. What’s a WIP you want to finish but doubt you ever will?

I think probably Ceremonials because I have so many ideas for that universe and I don't know that I'll ever truly be done with it.

16. What are your writing strengths?

Dialogue and character arcs.

17. What are your writing weaknesses?

Appropriate and consistent chapter length. Staying within a (self-imposed) word count limit.

18. Thoughts on writing dialogue in another language in fic?

It's fine, I've done it.

19. First fandom you wrote for?

Published: dramione. Unpublished: beatles. Yes i wrote self-insert time travel beatles fics as a pre-teen, and what about it?

20. Favorite fic you’ve written?

Remain Nameless, always and forever, it holds so much of me in its words.

tagging @mallstars and anyone else who sees this float across their dash and wants to jump in

[julesandthemachine]

blog intro!

about me:

hi, i’m Jules, but you can also refer to me as Em, or Jasper, or Dipper. i am 17 years old, my pronouns are they/them/theirs, and i am autistic. i’m a cartoon lover, cd collector, and an artist (digital and traditional). my birthday is also april 12th, and i am bisexual, non binary, and asexual!

before you follow…

i currently have art requests closed, along with art trades, plus i tend to swear a bit. i also am not really all that good at texting first, and i have problems controlling my emotions sometimes. that is something i am working on handling though, and if i do something wrong, let me know immediately. plus, i get REALLY excited whenever someone mentions anything remotely related to one of my current hyperfixations.

fandoms i’m in!!

daria

gravity falls

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futurama

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pelswick

south park

smiling friends

john callahan’s quads

fugget about it

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american dad

bob’s burgers

steven universe

drawn together

beavis and butthead

inside job

music i like!!

florence + the machine

green day

neon trees

gorillaz

limp bizkit

marina

cage the elephant

foster the people

coldplay

paramore

the all-american rejects

calvin harris

the neighbourhood

the beatles

linkin park

my chemical romance

deftones

blink-182

arctic monkeys

evanescence

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fetish/kink blogs

anyone under the age of 10/over the age of 25

ableists, racists, homophobes, and anyone else who expresses hate towards a certain religion/group.

zionists. if you support israel, you basically support genocide.

proshippers/comshippers

don’t hug me i’m scared fans/blogs (i trigger to it)

hazbin hotel/helluva boss fans/blogs (THIS DOESN’T APPLY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY MY MUTUALS)

lolicons and shotacons

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florence + the machine haters /srs

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Replies to anons

I’ve heard Imagine ofcourse but I do like more solo stuff post Beatles by Paul and John then by George. Sorry Mom.

 Been a Beatle fan longer than I haven’t, my Mother is the Beatle fan, her favorite has always been George, and really super-stans him.

 She has seen Paul in concert but I have never heard a Paul post- Beatle song before 2022! Or John – aside of Imagine and, Live and let die and them christmas songs.

 Solo: George-”All things must pass album + When we was fab, All those years ago , Got my mind set on you.

Paul – McCartney, Ram + Tug of war, This one, Little lamb Dragonfly, , However Absurd, No More lonely nights.  John –Plastic ono band + Dream9 ,Working class hero, I know, I know, Mind games, Beautiful boy.

  Ringo – Photograph, Back off boogaloo, Midnight Vienna.

 My favorite is John because even before I knew anything about the Beatles or who wrote or sang what I liked John led songs. I still do. Don’t think he’s better that the others. In my world they where better together and neither was really better than the sum. I know what he did, I know he is bad and all that. Guess what I don’t really care.

 I have a type in looks and john fit there. My Dad and brothers are the musicians in our family but Dad and is more a Elvis fan, (he + a brother died some many years ago but see it's Paul in me talking of them ) my brothers likes them too but they are more hard rock/metal fans. (in music I have the 70-80's metal genre ! the favourite band I Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. GEORGE usually gets my vote post-Beatle look as favorite looking Beatle, old man is RINGO!

 I grew up in the late 80/90’s when rock music started to really to go down and rap took over. "Harry Potter" was huge, It was nice to be part of something like that but then Rowling happend... I even had a short boy band period. Eminem was the biggest artist on the planet. I like 80’s and 90’s rap too. I pretty much like older music and a big fan of 80’s pop music too, Prince, Michael Jackson. I really love music and not just the Beatles along with some other artists and bands has more song that I like or has grown on me with time. I guess it’s true that older music was better.

I sort of feel a bit lonely with my Beatles  nobody around me IRL cares or think they’re overrated. I can agree that sometimes the beatles fandom can be a bit too much with the ”The Beatles did eveything first” and hate other acts who also was very important for music. Ofcourse it matters that the Beatles was white, ”sic” as most of the fanbase.  I have so many favorites and I love that I do.

McLennon is what really got me into the fandom. I’m straight myself but I’d never like want to fuck a 80 + year old man but I would be a Beatle groupie back in the days and don’t care which one I would do all of them. However I don’t really care what and if something happend between them I just see what i see, I hear what I hear. J+P are not straight

 I’m a mclennon thruther they where in love with each other! They where gay for each other. I don’t push Mclennon on anybody but here on Tumblr I do. I don’t think I believe eveything I read here is true, I also think many trolling this fandom and some seem to make fun it and comes off as a bit offensive to them as IRL queers. I can understand why Paul’s not coming out. I wouldn’t either in this or as part of the older fandom.

However I’m all for RPF, Yaoi, Yuri and femme the hell out of them. They do have that humour. Also they did all of it themselves, Iol, meaning if they didn't act this way we wouldn't be here. And I don't mean it as famous people they get a queer card.

I’m happy to continue reading your fics and fortcoming posts here. I really am!  I’ll probably keep my existence here as a re-blogger  because Beatles fans aren’t always nice about "us nutcases here" ( but it's better here than on other forums) and too many trolls end up here on tumblr mclennon. all the Beatles have haters and super-stans. Both is just as bad in my opinion. I love them so much, all four of them so much I don’t really have a favorite in Beatles, JOHN still gets my vote I'm a John -girl but they are still so connected. I do like more John-Beatle-songs than by the others tho and was super gorgeous.  

McLennon is my secret sin. I can’t unsee it or explain in any other way. There's a hole missing in the Beatles history as much as in their lives (J+P but also George how he was "left out" tho Paul and him knew each other before. Wouldn't Paul be saying more insane stuff about him too?) things would fill the blanks with McLennon! How can people not see that is my biggest issue. But far too many still today would say like if you got kids, has a wife, has sex with girls, you can't be gay. Yes, they both married women. but Well.. It's mind-blowing. They were so into each other.

My favorites Beatle songs and solo also keep changing all the time:

But The Beatles: Albums: From With the Beatles. Rubber soul and the White album.

 A day in life is a masterpiece.

I also end up listing Happiness is a warm gun, Something, Here, there eveywhere, Across the universe, Help, I will, All my loving, And your bird can sing, Tomorrow never knows etc!

McLennon: Again!

I absolutly believe it was was real. They where in love. The end goodbye. Sex yes they had sex in many ways. But whatever, when how they did it or talked about it or kissed? I'm sure some of the answers is in fan fiction lol. Reality is worse than fiction. Lol. But sometimes  I don’t think they never thought it was a big deal, like it was part of a song to Paul or whatever, and John’s did something to do with glasses. Like that's not me, this is me look at me. No i don’t know but quite often I just think it’s exactly what they are saying and didn’t label it. Other times I think they knew perfectly well what they did and they made own words so only they would know. Now we have Paul's sane but !? version for 40 + years vs John's bat shit craze -like 6+ years. of course it gonna shape our version of them and what happend between them.

 I do think whatever happend in the end John left and walked out of it how, when, why again is another story. I honestly don’t think he ever was secure of anything in his life and Yoko didn't help. I can't or more like don't want to believe eveything that is written about her tho. But the way she looks at him in the beginning she did love him then and there. She has at least made good things too for the fandom, made hits herself, worked for peace and less guns etc.

Paul more like gave up. I don’t blame or think India caused it but it deffo did not help! But neither did think of themselves at least at that point that they would try to claim anyhing of course Paul wanted a family and John knew that. I don't really see how they could have "solved" in any other way. At that time.

I have more thoughts about it. Here's when my mind keep changing. Whos missed who the most? who's more depressed? Woah don't forget it also WAS and IS tough to leave friends and bandmates behind, please do include that. Not everthing is gay either! But I’m pretty sure more than we know knew about it or at least thought the same thing.

They where ALSO friends, brothers,close,bandmates and shared this magic connection with George and Ringo. Sometimes I believe they got jealous of each other’s closeness, especially post beatles and they did tried to re-create this with other people too and this is perhaps the most telling, besides quotes, interviews,pictures, videos and songs. Yeah many songs are about that and each other.

 I don’t push away the idea of other ships happening in the band or other male lovers but if it was only them, to either of them it may have add to some of the confusion. So I don’t hold that against it. Actually I don’t really care much about their lives or families outside of the Beatles. Lol. Neither of them.

My favorite Beatle girl is Cynthia. I just think she’s beautiful. And the only girl who didn’t marry a Beatle-Beatle. I don’t really think John would have stayed that long if he didn’t at some point love her. Or any of the other he "kept around but left behind".

[shopcat]

ok this is stupid i acknowledge that its stupid and im being crazy but. idk if its just me or if its genuinely kinda weird that stddie fans give steve a like. for lack of a better word kinda stereotypically gay music taste in terms of how the fandom decided he loves pop divas and disco and such things (even though in the show he mostly listens to classic rock and post punk/new wave lol) and they solely use it as a punchline and as something eddie (and sometimes the rest of the group) tease him about and even if it's done "lovingly" it's still from a place of implied superiority. and its esp funny when they say "oh its because it's so mainstream and commercialized" as if eddie doesn't listen to some of the most mainstream most famous and most commercialized metal bands in the world lol. idk sorry for this bout of insanity i just feel like this fandom is genuinely really weird and homophobic like at its very roots even if it's not aware of it

HM yeah i can definitely see it being particularly weird with how they do it just to have him be made fun of for it it does feel off..... also as if eddie wouldn't like abba or something. i do totally think steve is a pop diva girlie i just also think eddie could be TOO And yeah the very basis of a typically masculine guy having a less pedestrian more typically "feminine" music taste is that it probably shouldn't be just randomly made fun of 😭

but actually one of my most beloved things is how much rock steve does listen to and i think they do have music in common other than that. ppl tend to fall into the quote unquote anti poser trap probably from the blondie bowie beatles thing with eddie when he was actually literally never shown to hate any other kind of music he just defended that his music is still good music 😭 it also just conforms to what their idea of a metalhead is let alone someone who's like counterculture anticonsumerism when i don't think eddie would literally give a fuck and it feels MEAN to have him Be mean in that way. when he could be mean in so many funnier more truthful ways that don't rely on someone else being the laughing stock!!!! especially someone he actually likes. i think eddie would like that steve likes an unexpected range of music it's honestly weird to ME that people forget liking a lot of those genres wasn't Actually the most popular like what 80s teen boy was actually listening to new wave and fucking . olivia newton john. let alone anything that could be deemed "girly" i think eddie would at the very least be able to recognise steve's particular love for music and i guess his own boldness in that area and it would call to his own even if he did theoretically just absolutely hate it the core value would mirror his own he would probably pass out from being too horny about it!!! like there is a certain kind of statement you give with liking anything sometimes and especially at the time even being like a fan of QUEEN or musical theatre isn't something that was just taken like "Oh you're such a prep!"

[urlocalnonbinarybastardwrites]

hi! i’m not sure if your still doing the ship asks but if ur not just ignore my yapping 😋

i’m a girl, my pronouns are she/her and i’m straight

so appearance wise, i’ve got blonde hair that goes a little past my shoulders. my hair curls naturally but when it gets wet it gets crazy. my skin is tan and i’ve got SO many freckles. on my face and going all up my arms and down to my hands. my eyes are a blue/gray (i can never really tell if it’s one or the other). i’m short 💀 like 5”3. i don’t have any super distinguishing features except a little beauty spot under my right eye, a little bit below my lashes.

i’m glad that you asked for people not to use those letter personality things because i have no idea what they are. in terms of personality, id say ima chill person. i definitely feel instead of think, i try to be nice to everyone but if you do something fucked up then i won’t be mean i just won’t talk to you. i LOVE a girls girl. im a morning person and i like to be outside. im smart. i like to read and learn and school come pretty easy to me. i like asking questions about others more than talking about myself. if i was a character, my friends say i would be a mix of rory gilmore, charlie dalton, and ferb (phineas and ferb).

hobbies: reading (philosophy and history books are my favorite), surfing, photography, collage, rock climbing, drawing during math class (fuck math. i hate math with a passion), beach

fun facts: i’m really good at poker, i scaled my first rock wall when i was six, i run cross country, its easy to make me laugh, my favorite artist is the beatles, my favorite song is either kiss her you fool, or brazil (declan mckenna)

idk what else to put, i appreciate you for this!! i love reading the ships you do for other anons i like peeking into these random people’s lives.

🩵thanks

Your Fandom Ship: Sokka (Avatar The Last Airbender)

Explanation: appearance wise I think that he loves the way that you look I mean from your blonde hair to your face that’s just failed the freckles which he makes a lot of jokes about but I just think he loves it. I just really think that he would like your features. He thinks your eyes are gorgeous and would definitely joke about you being super short. I think he would like poking your beauty mark if you didn’t find that too annoying. He really likes your relaxed personality and it kind of contrast to his in sense of him being a little bit more chaotic and cocky. I feel like he would balance him out and just kind of remind him that he needs to sit back and chill sometimes. he’s also kind of sexist in the beginning and I feel like you’re the kind of person that would also like Suki kind of change his mind and turn him around about how women aren’t really that way, but just being your bad ass women loving self so I just yeah, I feel like he would definitely you would definitely be good for him in that sense. He’s not great with school or learning in general so I think he would be able to help him a lot with that with your kind of academic personality. You’re in luck because I also believe that soccer hates math with a passion and you guys could shit talk for hours on end together and make fun of your math teacher. He would love going rockclimbing with you and surfing with you as well. I think that he’s not very used to the idea of surfing because of where he grew up and kind of icy waters and when you introduce him to him, I can totally see him as being a surfer dude. I think he wouldn’t like reading himself, but if you read him an interesting section of your books, he would be fascinated. Maybe ask you some questions. anyway, I think he’s really goofy and kind of silly more comedic personality would contrast really well with your more serious academic one and I definitely love this dynamic and ship this duo 🧡🧡

[good-to-drive]

The fact that people have romanticized or even sexualized your childhood trauma is disgusting. I'm genuinely so sorry that happened.

Can I tell you why I think it's important that talking about Paul McCartneys childhood trauma and it's effects on him become just as mainstreamed as talking about John Lennon's childhood trauma and it's effects on him has always been in Beatles fandom?

First, on a personal level. Have you heard of Ruby Franke, the Mormon momfluencer who has been charged with child abuse? My parents were A LOT like her and though my friends always recognized that we were "one of those" Mormon families, what they did was very normalized and justified. So, naturally, I don't like seeing abuse normalized or justified.

But more importantly on a public level. If we don't get comfortable talking about the truth of Paul's childhood and the effects of it on his thought processes, behaviors, and traits, and therefore him as a person and artist, we are going to have a flawed understanding of the Beatles music, group dynamics, and story.

Obviously none of it should be romanticized or sexualized. It needs to be taken seriously.

Yeah, I feel like that's my point.

Aside from the "it is your moral duty to hate John and if you don't you're as bad as he is" camp most people are capable of talking about John's experiences in a reasonable way, but with Paul there's a lot more resistance. I think that's partly because Paul has received a lot of undeserved criticism and hate over the years so (some of) his fans are a bit hypersensitive to anything that smacks of negativity, completely ignoring the fact that acknowledging someone's pain and trauma is not, in fact, negative or insulting (and it's arguably insulting to say that it is). And it's also probably that Paul's issues in particular are cartoonishly vilified in pop culture right now, to the point that it's almost impossible to even have a conversation about them (try talking to the average internet user about narcissism and you'll see what I mean).

But, frankly, it's also to do with deep misconceptions about the cycle of abuse and what it means to exist within it (which sounds like something you understand as well) and the savior complex a lot of people have about their faves that makes them really, really want Paul to be a poor precious kitten who just needs lots of cuddle sessions and weepy sex to fix his "issues." Which, like I originally said, is basically fine if that's what you want to do. It's essentially fiction, after all. But I wouldn't consider romanticizing abuse or infantilizing survivors to be the same thing as raising awareness around abuse, and I don't honestly think it helps us understand the group dynamic either. (I do agree that we'll never understand Paul and John's relationship if we can't accept that Paul is a human being with a past and a complex inner life just like John. That's something I've been bitching about for ages.)

I hope this isn't too nosy, but I've noticed you saying in tags that people jump on you and accuse you of "woobifying" Paul sometimes. If you're just trying to acknowledge that Paul faced trauma and deserves actual compassion and understanding then of course those people are out of line and I'm sorry that's happened, but if your idea of acknowledging this is "oh poor precious baby let me kiss it better" then, well.... You do you, but I don't think you can fairly claim there's any value in that. Yes, it's talking about abuse, but not in a way that I think we can reasonably claim is compassionate or productive.

No hate, though -- I haven't seen the posts you're referring to so idk what people are criticizing you for.

This is a really thoughtful and interesting take and I really appreciate you sending it to me.

[marleighdrinkscoffee]

Hi! I’m so glad you’re here.

You can call me Marleigh! I don’t want to disclose my actual name because, y’know, identity safety something something.

About me:

I'm unhealthily obsessed with the Beatles

And the Monkees, though to a lesser extent

I have a cup of coffee in my hand almost constantly

Jesus is #1 in my life

George Harrison is a close second (Well, not THAT close, I suppose, but you get the point)

I'm a writer, which means that I procrastinate and look at memes instead of actually writing

I love all things history-related

I read books

Archery is the one sport at which I’m any good

I listen to all kinds of music (no genre is safe)

Sometimes I try to write poetry

My favorite fandoms are:

Star Wars

Percy Jackson (and all other Riordanverse)

Ranger's Apprentice

The Chronicles of Narnia

The Ascendance Series

The Green Ember

Harry Potter

I post about all of the above, with the addition of memes or other random things of interest. On Sundays, I take a break from Tumblr, so I probably won’t respond to mentions or messages until Monday. But feel free to mention or message me anyway, because I love having a bunch of notifications when I come back!

I try to keep this blog clean from inappropriate content. I personally don’t curse, but some of the users I reblog do, so some of my posts may include swearing. Hate is not welcome here, except for the Peter Johnson movies (iykyk).

That's about it! I hope you have a great day

[michellemisfit]

TAG GAME

Thank you @suzy-queued for tagging me, as I was procrastinating, and this came at the perfect time!! Haha

1. Are you named after anyone?

I’m named after my mum’s favourite song by The Beatles (Michelle), which ironically is my least favourite song by The Beatles lol

2. When was the last time you cried?

I was PMSing hard last month, I basically cried for two days straight. It was crazy! And dehydrating.

Before that, the last time I cried was probably when we watched and discussed the Vincent VanGogh Doctor Who episode for @f-f-podcast - buckets of tears every single time!!

3. Do you have kids?

Nope. Just fur babies.

4. Do you use sarcasm a lot?

I stopped to really think about that and came to the unfortunate conclusion that sometimes I use sarcasm humorously, but mostly I use it when I’m being a bitch. Oops.

5. What’s the first thing you notice about people?

They’re demeanour. Happy. Shy. Kind. Helpful. Competent. Confident. Loud and rowdy. Just their overall vibe. I generally have no memory of what people look like until after I’ve met them several times and spent time with them.

6. What’s your eye color?

Green.

7. Scary movie or happy ending?

Happy ending. I hate jump scares.

8. Any special talents?

I can wiggle my ears.

9. Where were you born?

Zürich, Switzerland

10. What are your hobbies?

Podcasting, watching TV, drawing, craft, sewing, cooking, baking, reading, fandom.

11. Do you have any pets?

Two cats at home (Howard & Wiggins), and a whole lot of livestock at work. They count. I love them.

12. What sports do you play / have you played?

Volleyball and basketball in school. Tennis for 8 years, 2 years at club level. Roller Hockey for 10+ years, 3 years for the Swiss National Team.

Last time I went home to visit the family I brought back my custom painted hockey helmet. Look at that impact damage! s’probably fine… right? lol

13. How tall are you?

172cm (5’7’’ I think?)

14. Favorite subject in school?

German. Creative writing was my jam! Also I loved to read, and they encouraged that! lol

15. Dream job?

I like helping people. Doing something of value. And being creative. I currently have four jobs, each has one or two of these aspects. If you can think of a job that combines all four then please let me know! Haha

Tagging @accal1a @katherynefromphilly @ohfreckle and @creepkinginc if you fancy playing

[comradeharrison]

So my best friend is OBSESSED with Paul and Linda -- she says they're the only reason she believes in love -- and that's an objectively beautiful thing. But sometimes I have thoughts about their relationship that aren't universally positive, and idk what to do with them.

Like sometimes I wonder if the reason they never spent a night apart is because Linda knew Paul's history and knew he'd likely be unfaithful if given the chance. Not to say they weren't loyal, just that it's less "they loved each other so much they spent no time apart" than "they spent no time apart so they loved only each other."

And, tbh, pre-Linda Paul seems to have felt very entitled to being unfaithful, to the extent that he ground it right into Jane's face just to prove that he could. But something changed.....

Sometimes, I wonder if being so demonstrably faithful to Linda was a bit of a fuck you to Jane and how quickly she moved on. You weren't worth it, but she is. Or maybe Linda was worth it and Jane wasn't. Or maybe Linda had the Midas touch and Jane didn't.

Either way.... I'm just not terribly enamored by the whole situation. But I hate to say that out loud. Because on paper they're the most romantic thing ever. But idk, sometimes romantic isn't the same as healthy. Or it's both. Idk.

I feel like people will read this as anti Paul and Linda. But they're actually my favorite Beatles couple, and although they haven't made me believe in love I do love and admire their relationship. I just feel like the fairy tale fantasy surrounding them kinda glosses over a lot, and I get salty about it, and I have no one to talk to.

They were true love. Not perfect, not easy, not without a past or future. Just true love. That's all.

I don't know a lot about Paul and Linda post-Beatles but yeah, I don't disagree with you overall. Except I don't think being faithful to Linda was meant specifically as a fuck you to Jane. All the Beatles were faithful and better husbands to their later wives than to their Beatle-era girlfriends. It was probably something that came with age. Consider, young boys in their early 20s, newly rich and famous with girls throwing themselves at them and in a culture that rewards infidelity are a lot more likely to cheat than men in their 30s ready to settle down into family life.

The never spending a night apart is definitely very weird, but I also feel it's one of the things that get exaggerated. There might be some truth to what you say about Linda not allowing it because I remember reading that Linda was very possessive of Paul. I think they were as happy as a couple in their time and situation could realistically be. Marriage is difficult and requires constant effort and even then, no marriage is perfect - what matters is the people involved choose to stay together and keep putting in effort. The fandom's gloss on them as a perfect couple is definitely a fantasy with a lot of projection going on.

[0liverspace]

× About me ×

→ Hi, im Oliver (you can also call me Noll, its a nickname for Oliver) :]

→ 16 yrs/o

→ He and Him

→ Bisexual

→ ENTP

→ Hellenic Pagan

→ Spanish, English, Galician (and im learning German)

→ SP: MusicClub (feel free to add me even if we're not moots)

~ Current Hiperfixations ~

THE HOUND OF THE BASKERVILLES (Especially Sir Henry Baskerville) - Sherlock Holmes - HouseMD - History - Frev - Classic literature - Jeeves & Wooster - The Office - Star Trek TOS

~ Other interests ~

Vocaloid - The Beatles - Dilfs - Bands - Object Shows - Cartoons - politics (not talking about it here tho) - Classical music composers - Greek Mythology - Tally Hall + side projects - Cinematography - Versailles (2015)

~ DNI ~

Homophobes, Transphobes, Racists, Pr0shipers, Comshipers, S0tacon/L0licon, Anti-Neopronouns, Anti-xenogenders, Zionists, ppl who HATE any of my hiperfixations, ppl who makes headcanons of real ALIVE ppl not ironically.

~ BYF ~

Im a minor but i sometimes make s3xual jokes. I can be really annoying sometimes, let me know or block me if youre not comfortable. I have a dark sense of humor, again, block me if you're uncomfortable. I use tone tags. I am cringe and idc. English is not my first language, sorry if its bad sometimes.

~ Kinnies ~

Gumball Waterson, Sir Henry Baskerville (Soviet Holmes), Ryu Natsume, Crowley, Earth (GOB), Blocky (BFDI), Lawrence Kutner, Fukase, Mozart (Classicaloid)

~ Tags ~

Im just gonna put the ones i post the most bcs im in way too many fandoms

#Sherlock Holmes — Sherlock Holmes (in general)

#Granada Holmes — Granada series of Sherlock Holmes

#Gomens — Good Omens

#OSC — Object shows

#frev — French revolution

#Napoleonic era

#Housemd/house md

#The Beatles

#History — history IN GENERAL

#Jeeves and Wooster

#Star Trek