#Feel bad for Vic
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okay, but, like, THAT'S how you do a villain story. in the FIRST scene, you watch him shoot a man in cold blood. the show tells you right away "this man is not a good man".
but then it gets you to sympathize - look at how much the world has stepped on him. look at how terrible the whole of gotham is. and even when he kills more people, does more terrible things, you still root for him. because it's fun to watch someone be terrible to terrible people. you root for sofia too, because if anyone deserves revenge its her, but you're rooting for both of them somehow.
and then the show tells you "when he was a boy he killed his brothers". but even still, you want to see what he'll do. the show is called the penguin, you want to see the penguin rise. when he lets his mother's finger almost get cut off, you pity him. he's a sad, broken thing. how could he be anything but bad? but he loves, so there must be something else there.
but then. but THEN
the show always told you: "this is the devil". but you thought, maybe the devil can make hell a little more bearable for some people. the devil is so often nuanced, sympathetic, complex. maybe he's like that.
you're wrong. there's nothing good within him and YOU rooted for him to succeed. you wanted to watch the destruction. and now you have to live with the consequences of thinking, even for a second, that he could be redeemed.
#lauren feels things#penguin spoilers#the penguin#the penguin spoilers#network execs are always talking about how they want something#'surprising but inevitable'#which is NOTHING that's a nothing phrase#eXCEPT THIS WAS EXACTLY THAT#don't even get me started on everything else#the performances the COSTUMES!!!#the story they told with sofia's costumes!!!!!!!!!!!!!#but god#the thing that got me so good#was seeing the scratches on oz's hands as he strangled vic#just like carmine and sofia's mom#i hope sofia murders oz so bad#oh and DEF don't get me started on the POWER DYNAMICS#the conversation the show was having about power#and being a woman and being a man and being rich and being poor and being white and being disabled#and how the systems of power and oppression are not at all neat#oz is a white man born poor with a disability#but he ultimately has more privilege than sofia#sofia was born on third base and inherited her kingdom but is still a woman they called crazy#who went down for a man's crime#oz is STILL right when he calls her out for her relative privilege#they both have more power over the other depending on circumstance#and then VIC#poor non-white disabled#he gets crushed under everyone#and yet has the power of LABOR ORGANIZING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Station 19: 7x07 'Give It All'
#station 19#station19edit#vic hughes#robert sullivan#carina x maya#mine#i like how they added this in because i feel like we never hear the other characters talk about marina like this#though i guess we have to pretend sullivan and maya don't have the history they do to enjoy it#which is what these writers want us to do anyway...just ignore all the bad things these men have done 🙃
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an artfight attack that is also a webcomic fanart! two birds, one electric type attack.
inhibit webcomic courtesy of @evegwood
#fun(?) fact from my cursory research only electrode raichu electrobuzz (debatably) and joltik are mentioned to Sap electricity#electrode and electrobuzz syphon from power plants (tho electobuzz reports on that front had apparently been greatly exadurated)#(also i think having an electrode Anywhere near victor Would Be a Bad Idea)#and raichu can gather electricity from the air (it also mentions A Lot that it often grounds itself with its tail)#(and also becomes Angry when overcharged. spontaneous discharges in general plague the pikachu line) (fun)#anyway rant over#i cant remember from the top of my head but it feels like vic had not had a single restful sleep over the course of the comic#every time he sleeps Something Keeps Happening#clearly a curse#my art#inhibit#inhibit comic#joltik#pokemon crossover#artfight
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me, dean, and everyone else watching: ok sure, sammy
#vics spn rewatch#spn 1x10#the apology is made worse by j*red's inability to actually sound sincere#he's doing his fake sympathy voice and it is so. grating#adds a fascinating unintentional layer to sam as we've talked abt before#and it's like not necessarily a Bad thing to perform rather than feel sympathy#but like. this is very much a non-apology and dean knows it and we all know it#sam DID mean those things on some level. maybe not as harshly as he said them bc his anger WAS being heightened by the ghost#but those feelings were real#and sam is allowed to feel them. but they are in many ways. a projection and also unfounded#sam literally could leave at any time and dean would let him go (as we'll see in thee very next episode!!)#just bc he feels those feelings doesn't mean they're inherently true#dean isn't keeping him trapped. dean isn't just blindly following orders. dean Does have a mind of his own#and in fact dean isn't being all that great of a dutiful son bc he actively is not all that interested in finding john!! not the way sam is#and you'd think for dean being the one to initially show up and ask sam's help that he'd be more invested in finding john#and making sure he's actually alive instead of following random coordinates to a case. and taking on every other case they find too#anyways. sam's feelings of anger are real bc he feels them and it's okay to feel things#but he's massively misinterpreting and projecting things onto dean#and then he feels guilty (like post-possession) and tries to swipe it all under the rug and claim he didn't mean any of it#but he Does. and dean knows it. everyone knows it.#his perceptions do not align w/ what's really happening. bc he doesn't have the full context.#bc he doesn't know just how complicated dean's relationship to john really is. bc he was sheltered from a lot of that.#he sees dean desperate for approval and a good little soldier#when in reality dean was playing peacekeeper and mediator and punching bag most of their childhood.#and rn dean doesn't really care that much abt finding john. he just wants to hang out with his brother#not samcr*t btw. we love all this abt him it's spicy it's crunchy it's tasty
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the fact that it is basically impossible to debate at this debate makes it feel to me like yeah, the federation doesn't give a shit about the process. they're like fuck your debates all of this is a farce good luck <3
#qsmp#i'm trying super hard not to be annoyed bc to be fair it's funny#but i keep getting excited for people to actually make good points and disagree intellectually#and then they get interrupted.#like etoiles gearing up to discuss the codes and then he's interrupted and can't finish#it kills me inside#at least i'm watching antoine so periodically he starts shittalking or soundboarding with max#sometimes i hear baghera giggle at them too (like when antoine was like 'foreverrrr pleaseeee buy a microphone')#and when he glances back to check in on leo and pomme#the only saving grace#anyway yea thank god bad isn't here i feel like he would Not be having a fun time#shut up vic#block game brainrot
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there's so much to expand on wrt helena's day job being a public school teacher and the role adding this tenderness to a character whose seeming roughness gets read as uncontrollably violent (a convo for another day). the huntress to helena is fueled with so much inner strife, part of it is putting a tangible mask on something she was doing throughout her teenage and young adulthood, going from protecting herself to protecting the vulnerable. her choosing to be a teacher further roots her in the community that she aims to protect and allows her to become the helping hand she needed as a kid. her being a teacher makes her character so much more compelling, marking her compassion and desire to be there for children esp., as a trait that exists beyond the mask. (imo this also allows a deg. of character development with what the mask is to helena; moving between a means of revenge, idealization of her strengths, to a tool to be there for when blood cries) although bat editorial has never fully understood her (some of that misunderstanding is played up solely to rehash conflict between her and the other bats), there is something about the lack of “screentime” helena’s day job gets and desire to have these figures protecting gotham but no desire to tell the stories of the people/communities that make up gotham.
#even though huntress vol.1 was incredibly dark/disturbing and has got a good couple parts that didn’t age well. it provided#so many sub stories abt the people in nyc. those who could and couldn't stand up and it made for nuanced stories and for helena to have thi#interesting origin#even the robin stories she was in afterwards!#displaying helena as a teacher provides this heart i feel like we haven’t seen in a while#also on a surface level i miss the quips she made during nightly stakeouts about grading papers. cause like saur true.#and it makes vic feeling bad about not doing something about helena’s job so much more 🥹🥹🥹🥹#him identifying it was something important to her and grounding her…yeah#helena bertinelli
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😭😭 will they ever re-unite?! Ander my poor bby🥺💔
one way or another :)
since T$$ is my designated AU space, I can say that in some timelines they do, and some timelines they don't. Can't say exactly what the canon one is yet though
#...i need to work on this story because i feel bad being like 'oops! spoilers!' and then not writing the story sndbjdkke#some timelines he was never separated at all :)#i have one where Monty gets captured instead of Ander and is killed#and a reverse AU where Ander just became a history professor and the rest of the crew work for vic and they kidnap him :)#anon#t$$ sahota
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as someone close to getting their braces off. i both pity you and am scared for what that damn retainer brings
my fucking. Jaw.
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TOT: “I've heard a lot about you. Charlie was quite fond of you.” HELENA: “Charlie?” TOT: “Vic. Vic Sage?” (The Question: Pipeline. Chapter 2, Part 1)
no one touch me rn.
#vichelena#IVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT YOU???!-!-!! CHARLIE WAS QUITE FOND OF YOU?!-!&!5!?-?6!-!-!#also??? the way she didnt even know how he died before this issue???!!! like what the fuckhrjrhekdnfnfn they make my heart hurt so much....#helena bertinelli#vic sage#(in spirit but not in flesh LOL rip vic)#should i tag tot. i feel bad tagging him for the first time and it being for This. nah let's not tag tot sorry u deserve better#dc#the question#batman#poppy speaks#dcposting
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I dont know where to put this cuz i only talk abt my interests that nobody else on twt likes as much but.
The ending of the penguin with Eve dressed as Oz’s mother really choked me out more than his mother getting the ‘penthouse’ Oz promised, even despite being in a comatose state even when she said she’s prefer death over that. He’s just some fucked up little kid who still wants his mothers praise to the point he’s get his girlfriend to dress up as his younger mother and make her praise him. Also the callback to when Sofia came to her apartment and gestured to all the clothing etc and Eve said something about “putting on different fronts for people”? Something along those lines my brain is a bit mush but. You get it. I was crying by the end of the damn finale because of oz and francis and sofia so my mind may be mucked up a little but my GOD i love all the subtle forshadowing there was before, young oz talking his ass off abput getting his mom luxury and STILL getting her it despite her being in a fate she deems worse than death (and more humiliating is how she viewed it) really just. Threw me in the ringer im sort of yapping now and make no sense but oooougggg one of the best shows ive watched in awhile. Left me with a pit in my chest that i still have right now though but it was so fucking good
#🫁#do i tag this and let people see my ramblings#hm#hbo penguin#oz cobb#like this show is making me rip my hair out i was crying thru the whole finale#i feel so fucking bad for sofia especially#and vic????#vic finally said how he felt like they were family#and oz chokes him out#because he doesnt want a weak end to him or whatever#godddd#despite it all Oz is still my favourite LMFAO GOD i need to beat him with hammers tho#piece of shit#i still love u tho oz. somewhat. okay alot#hbo penguin spoilers
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Maybe Station 19 was like an experimental cubist painting.
There were too many stories to be told and too many people trying to tell them, from too many perspectives, with too many styles…
Each viewer saw a different picture.
It was the show that tried to capture the zeitgeist and represent the under-represented. Also the show that often struggled. With the tones and textures. With representing w/o tokenizing. B/w laughing with and laughing at. B/w realism and romanticizing. B/w deliberate and arbitrary. B/w educating and entertaining. B/w what they consider profane and sacrosanct.
At times, it touched our hearts deeply. At times, it frustrated us to no end.
Not every story was given the respect, sensitivity and intricacy it was due.
One moment could lead to a profound understanding of an aspect of a lived life some of us had never known; while the next could be a moment that was beyond confounding - about an aspect of ourselves that made us feel slighted, diminished and even erased.
It had often been an exercise in empathy to find our common humanity at the intersectionality of stories. Yet, the scale of empathy often skewed too far in favor of some characters with the differing standards, narrative frames and plot armors. Ironically yet reasonably turning people off these very characters they wanted people to root for. A persistent dissonance and disconnect.
But it was also the show that didn’t shy away from the ugly, the raw, the uncomfortable and messy parts of our shared human experience. The tribulations of oppression. The perils of ambition. The tests of morality. The trials of friendship and love. That we would make mistakes, but we could also make amends. That we're not defined by our worst. That our best lives could still be in front of us despite the current struggles. That sometimes life sucks but having your people with you makes it more bearable.
I would think it an interesting journey for the diversity of people behind, on, and in front of the screen. The evolving stories, evolving characters, evolving storytellers, an evolving fandom - all amidst an evolving media landscape.
It was probably not an easy show to make. The show had a bewilderingly lack of support from abc or shondaland. Diversity seemed to be both good for promotion (when there was any) and the reason for the prejudice against it.
Just as it had not been an easy show to watch - so biased, inconsistent and self-contradictory. Like when they kept telling us about the family spirit and deep friendships yet somehow spent more time showing otherwise. Or when the writing of systemic sexism was somehow inherently sexist.
Personally, I don’t think characters belong to the writers alone. Besides the usual constraints, the characters were often adjusted back and forth to fit the plots. We’ve also learnt how network execs' dislikes, writers’ personal experiences were factored into the stories. I fully respect the writers’ artistic rights. But actors who embodied the characters for years have a unique understanding too. Viewers also have their personal takes about what were true to characters. It's ok to agree to disagree.
There had been sparks of brilliance, but often extinguished too soon. It has been confounding how the greys-verse did not capitalise on its vast potential, esp. S19. Even while both shows share a show-runner. Grey's anatomy could have lent its scale while Station 19 could have injected renewed energy back into its mothership. Both shows could have been better for it.
Although the characters have the foundation of distinct and interesting backstories, their development often did not fully utilise the narrative potential and the talents of the cast. I’m sure the crew was also competent and hardworking. But somehow some elements b/w n within the shows seemed to just cancel each other out instead of amplifying their impact. IMO 704 and 709 were a few exceptions.
But I'll always be glad S19 existed and we got a S7. I believe they had tried their best to wrap up and give closure to everyone invested in the show. I truly appreciated the hard work given the circumstances even when I personally didn't agree with some takes.
In the end, I really do want to remember it as the show with heart, the show that made us laugh and cry and the show that tried. The show that's unique - in both its merits and flaws. I’ll definitely miss the characters. One last time - 19!
#rehashg some things seemed pointless#had this in my drafts for a while. lost momentum to go thru w it#catchg up on firenerds interviews#tags edited:#post sent accidentally b4 completion. deleted many of the original tags cos didn’t want to end this angry#but I think pp did made disingenuous bad faith arguments esp the disparity being imagined n was condescending#intention v execution v reactions often don’t align but I still think the framing and nuances matter#the fetishised yet censored transition being approved was worst than dg being unapologetically proud of realising his 13yo-self’s fantasy#then to hear pp say the cut w|w kisses obstructed the flow n were not integral to the scenes was worst when applied to this one#esp in contrast with the others’ in the montage and in the context of the episode#but anyway it is what it is even if I wished…#we had tonal appropriate buildups n payoffs of their own stories that didn’t decentralise them or just have wordless montages#n chs n relationships to have been more developed and consistent n not have so many gaps to leave imagination n nostalgia#the writing of some ch really didn’t speak to me or make me want to root for them but personally I would have wished to see that with vic n#n for them to interact more with maya n carina. they don’t have conflict of interest n I feel the queers would have been closer#travis n maya could have commiserate about their dads n their trauma. for maya career was triggering. travis it was his relationships.#maybe the interesting thing about the show is how your fav aspects might be s.o. else’s most hated. vice versa#this is such a conflicting show for me. one that I’m very invested in n would always have mixed feelings about.#I��ve missed the show n would continue to miss it. but really not those parts brought up again in the interview.#station 19 comments#station 19
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Questionable Images 1/2 - The Question #8 (1987)
#book club#the question#vic sage#dc comics#comics#questionable images#another one of my favorite issues#here you can see vic talk about second chances and get fucked up on drugs#also it contains at least two jokes about vic having no face. higher than there have been so far!#but seriously this issue is really fantastix#it shows you what someone who fights fire like fire is doing in the town of hub city#as well as discussing how 'innocence' can be subjective...#dr spaulding is one of my favorite one off antagonists. hes not cartoonishly evil or anything like a lot of the others.#you can see his motivations and you can see how his morals somehow justify this (while being hypocritical)#and yet you are able to look at it and decide how you feel about his actions & decide what it means when someone is 'innocent'#it forces you to ask yourself how much a person can do before they're irreparably guilty. and whether theres a balance to it.#100 good deeds might outweigh 100 bad deeds. or they don't. and every moment decides whether you're 'innocent' or not on its own.#and at the end you have to ask yourself whether spaulding deserved that. DID the punishment fit the crime? why him and not vic?#it brings up moral issues you maybe didn't think about before.#very very good issue... one i often think about.#WHY WONT TUMBLR LET ME MOVE THESE PICTURES AROUND IM GOING TO EXPLODE#no one is guilty except whoever at tumblr made this impossible
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OH HOLY SHIT. i did NOT remember that the woman in this episode is the second ghost oh my god. oh sometimes i love forgetting things bc wow that twist was GOOD. i am CHOMPING. this is delicious.
#also i feel a little bad for shitting on sam for not noticing when she went off the trail / putting her in danger#he might not have actually heard her for ghost reasons#and also he probs wasn't all that concerned because....she's already dead#vics spn rewatch#spn 2x16
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here's how it goes:
everyone spends valentine's day in DEEP denial. tubbo isn't dead, he CAN'T be. when they die they come back, that's how it is, how it's ALWAYS been. the island is hell but at least fatalities don't stick, except in specific cases and all of them in the same white shells. of course philza jokes, he's thinking about tubbo, he can't stop. he's expecting tubbo to jump out at any moment, he's expecting to go to fobo and see tubbo hidden in the basement throwing darts at a picture of fit and pac looking at each other, he's expecting to go back to the dungeon and the body is gone (he hopes). tubbo's not dead. he can't die. none of them can, just the eggs.
(it never takes this long to come back; he knows something is wrong)
here's how it goes:
tubbo tells the kids "i'm on my last life." the eggs have always had lives. i don't think some of them have ever understood that the players have infinite chances, with their insistence on protecting their caretakers from deaths like their caretakers do for them, charging back into the eye worker war, refusing to back out of a dangerous dungeon before their parents do, wanting to protect. i don't know if they understand that to the players, death is like spit in the face: unpleasant, sure, but no big deal.
tubbo tells the kids "i'm on my last life" and of course they believe him. death is their constant companion, no more than two doors down. some eggs are used to it being a breath away.
here's how it goes:
tubbo is dead. the children mourn him. the players are scared. defiant. they always are. who among them has died? dan, missing; spreen, gone; maximus... well there was no body, no announcement, surely-
(how long did it take pierre to accept it? to realize it? to take down the missing person posters? not a day. not a day.)
juanaflippa died and there was a court case to save her. bobby died and the whole server journeyed to save him. when is the last time the players have taken death lying down?
here's how it goes:
tubbo dies, and he dies unloved (fit's arm is stretched out to save him). he dies without purpose (sunny is there, she's waiting, she knows he won't move). he dies and no one cares (chayanne refuses to leave, his godfather, he failed his-)
here's how it goes:
the valentine's party is so loud but too quiet. there's a name in the air, even when no one is saying it
"wow sure is good tubbo isn't here" phil says (he's said this before, he'll say it again, but isn't it strange how many times? perhaps even he doesn't believe it. perhaps he's trying to convince himself.)
here's how it goes:
a creature with too many faces comes. it tells them the truth they won't face. tubbo is gone.
quesadilla island says, "not for long"
#qsmp#shut up vic#block game brainrot#idk not fully satisfied w this but it's 1:30am where i live and i have work#just had some Thoughts. if you're curious this isn't intended to bash any character#i'm not putting character tags on it bc i don't feel like throwing it to those specific wolves idk how this is gonna go over#just it bothers me how people are acting. wanted to throw some cents in the ring#i feel like people are focusing hard onto their fav's lore and missing the other side so.#tbh was a half attempt at throwing what i got out of it which is hopefully close to both#or at the very least it's Equally Neither Option :)#anyway goodnight from me sweet dreams#if you hated this don't tell me lmao#((yes i tire of angst; woe hope be upon ye))#((me: i'm tired grandpa; the qsmp angsting further: THAT'S TOO DAMN BAD!'))#((maybe i LIKE hope qsmp maybe i LIKE defiance))#((catch me hoping all over the place smh))
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ohhhh sora oliver is soooo good at fucking the attitude out of you bc he likes how soft and vulnerable you get after a really thorough fucking. you get kind of needy......and he likes it when you're needy. reaching out to him for comfort
the thing that cooks me so bad about this is how questionably and awfully sweet he is to you after... very attentive and gentle and coos like he didn't just Do All That.... he truly does like how soft and vulnerable you get because he likes being needed so much by you, loves being that only source of comfort for you always. it feels sooo awfully good to be that for you he can't help it but stay for you every time
like it's not just that it's basic aftercare no he's a bit.... smothering after in a way you can't find yourself questioning because you get vulnerable and you need it... and what he likes about it is that you can barely recall that he's like this after you fuck, because you're always so tired you don't bother to notice... makes him like caring for you more than he'd like to admit
#ur fr his baby after all that....... insane...#SO IM COOKED. c:#hear me out ok i was talking to vil yesterday about bllk and him specifically and they said hes very maternal just for being a cancer...#like they said cancer is the most mother sign and i was like 0_0#AND HES ALR SOO BAD IF U HAVE DADDY ISSUES BUT....... hes kind of mother now that they lowkey pointed it out...#sora.inbox#vic <3#HOW DARE U SEND ME AN ASK SOOO CATERED TO ME I FEEL SICK#sora.oliver
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floral and fading is my comfort song
#floral and fading#pierce the veil#ptv#vic fuentes#jaime preciado#tony perry#i was listening to this today when i was feeling real bad and i could legit feel myself calming down as soon as the song started#Spotify
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