#Chloé D'Apchier

[neversetyoufree]

GOD I just realized.

When Jeanne goes to Gévaudan in the present day, she's dead set on killing Chloé. And that sense of obligation isn't just due to her sense of duty as a bourreau; she very clearly feels personal guilt about failing to kill Chloé the previous time. Why?

Jeanne goes into Gévaudan thinking that Chloé really is the Beast. And that means she thinks Chloé's been killing the people of Gévaudan, which she must know Chloé in her right mind would rather die than do. Hell, Chloé even asked Jeanne to kill her when they met on the cliff as beast and bourreau, as she really was laden down with the guilt of "causing" the deaths of her family and the horror of the true nature of the "beast." Jeanne has every reason to think that Chloé has been killing her people and is suicidally miserable about it.

And it's not just that Chloé wants to die and Jeanne failed to kill her. As far as Jeanne can tell when she comes back to Gévaudan, Chloé is still alive and living Jeanne's personal worst nightmare. When Jeanne cries to Vanitas about the fear of losing herself in the atelier, she's not just scared of a loss of identity or control. She's terrified that her violent impulses and loss of self will one day bring her to hurt Luca—the person she loves and most wants to protect.

Chloé is absolutely devoted to the people of Gévaudan. Jeanne knows that, and when she thinks Chloé is the beast, she thinks she's been killing them. She thinks that Chloé has lost herself to her violent impulses and is hurting the people she most wants to protect. So of course Chloé has to die! Jeanne herself also desperately wants to die rather than risk hurting a loved one. It's why Vanitas's promise is a comfort to her.

Jeanne is haunted by the thought that she failed Chloé by not killing her, and that guilt is informed by a bone-deep understanding. Jeanne wants to kill Chloé because she sees herself in the horror of what she thinks Chloé's situation is, and she cannot allow Chloé to keep living their shared worst nightmare. Chloé has to die because she cannot exist in a world where she's hurt her people, and Jeanne can relate to that better than anyone.

That's why Vanitas has to emphasize that Chloé never hurt the people of Gévaudan when he finally talks Jeanne into saving her. Jeanne's guilt may not be the only reason she tries so hard to kill Chloé. There's also her job as a bourreau and her sense that she's simply bound to carry out orders, but I don't think she initially enters Gévaudan with the blank mindset of a thoughtless drone.

Jeanne goes to Gévaudan to kill Chloé because she knows that Chloé would rather die than live having hurt her beloved people. There is no saving her once she's crossed that line. And Jeanne understands that because she's terrified of the exact same thing.

[torterrachampion]

Volume 11 Chloé and Jean-Jacques Bonus Scan

[existingtm]

Pandora Hearts || Vanitas no Carte

[thedarkattic]

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[korygeki]

Daily JJ collection part1

I'm posting a Jean-Jacques doodle every day for 20 days on tw*tter, these are from days 1 to 5!

[anathie]

🥀

[yanderefairyangel]

Redrawing an old art of Chloé and Jeanne

[the-chikyuu-times]

[ianime0]

Vanitas no Carte | Ep 18 | Don't think I could ever be happy without you. Don't go. Don't leave me. Please. I'm begging you, Chloé. Don't leave me all alone!

[friedwizardwhispers]

I was thinking of the vampires in vnc and we know at some point, they stop aging. Chloe stopped at 11 for example but Noe and Dominique look theirs actual ages so they probably are still aging. So do we think it's possible for a vampire to age normally like a human and die of old age ?

[good7luck]

VNC manga chapter 57 spoilers

** my personal interpretations

Jeanne from JJ’s point of view (feat. Chloe & Noe, etc)

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I’ve seen some complaints “JJ/Chloe should’ve met Jeanne, too, not just Noe!”, which sometimes leads to “MJ-sensei must hate Jeanne” and/or “bad, misogynistic writing”.

I’m not a huge fan of Jeanne myself, but I don’t particularly hate to see her, and I really wouldn’t have minded getting more canon (positive) interactions between JJ/Chloe and Jeanne.

The thing is...

Chloe is fully asleep now, unable to chat anytime soon. And...

JJ and Jeanne are NOT that friendly two of them...yet, at least ^^;;

(more under the cut)

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Both JJ and Jeanne have a special history and bond with Chloe EACH, sure, but it doesn’t magically make the two friends, much less close ones (ex. Vani & Domi, over Noe / Noe & Olivier, over Roland). Both took Chloe’s hand together in the last minute to save their important Chloe. Before that, Jeanne was mostly, genuinely trying to kill JJ (the “Beast”) & Chloe (the supposed target), even if she wasn’t being 100% murderous, as she still believed the ”Beast” was her precious Chloe and so hesitated in her mind.

To JJ, Jeanne was the powerful and dreadful Bourreau who kept coming to murder his beloved & the innocent victim Chloe then and now again. No one else other than JJ has trusted Chloe’s innocence or tried to listen for so long (even aside from the evil mastermind Church). Honestly...we haven’t seen Jeanne apologize to JJ/Chloe for her huge misunderstandings and attempted murders...on screen, yet, at least (it might or might not appear in the future, who knows).

I think JJ, too, probably wasn’t being 100% murderous mainly because he knows Chloe still greatly misses Jeanne (even if he’s been always with Chloe, oops ^^;;). We haven’t seen JJ (NOT as the “Beast”) explicitly getting mad at Jeanne in canon, but I won’t be too surprised if he actually (still) feels jealous and angry at her deep inside ^^;; Perhaps also disappointed and frustrated at her that she never ever recognized or even had a single doubt (* she couldn’t, as a Bourreau, I know, but does JJ know?) that the not-even-very-Chloe-looking “Beast” (that was doing not-so-Chloe-things, be it Church or JJ) was possibly never Chloe.

In the manga, JJ wanted to save the utter stranger Noe all because Noe protected JJ (the “Beast”) from Jeanne (I’m not sure but I think the anime cut this part out), even if he didn’t even know why Noe came here yet. It’s hard for me to believe JJ is suddenly on good terms with Jeanne sincerely, ignoring all their long, negative past...even if they finally saved Chloe together ^^;;

On the other hand, JJ and Noe are much more the close friends (though JJ ended up assaulting Noe in the castle). To JJ, Noe is his actual first friend (other than Chloe), never Jeanne. That’s why JJ decided to come to see Noe (and the doctor Vani) specifically, to give his thanks (and apology for the assault), even if it’s obviously too dangerous when JJ/Chloe are officially “wanted”, as both Vani and Dante explicitly complained.

My point is NOT that “Um, Jeanne is in fact terrible, did you not know?” BUT that there have been simply not enough positive interactions only between JJ and Jeanne yet (or whatever possible causality), which would lead JJ to voluntarily go see her, despite all the dangers.

If Chloe was awake and wanted to see Jeanne, then JJ probably would’ve done so. But if not? I just don’t see why JJ would personally “miss” Jeanne in general...and so it’s quite understandable to me that JJ didn’t risk the safety of himself (& Chloe) for Jeanne’s sake, especially when there was technically no (urgent) “need” ^^;;

I suppose Chloe already fell asleep like that before JJ got treated by Vani (when Jeanne was still around them!), so maybe JJ in ch 57 just didn’t have any word from Chloe to give to Jeanne particularly, cuz Chloe literally never woke up. If there was any, I think he would’ve already told Jeanne before they got separated in Gevaudan...?

There’s this, too: Again, JJ/Chloe are officially “wanted”.

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No hard feelings on Jeanne or Jeanne/Chloe or Jeanne/Chloe/JJ etc! Obviously not trying to discourage any fanwork creation, either...!

I get that it could be very frustrating not to see Jeanne/Chloe sweet reunion and proper closure on screen in canon, after their long and solid past got revealed in the very long arc. Still, personally I never expected to see NEW scenes from the old Gevaudan arc again at all, but surprisingly it happened in ch 57...so there might be more to come in the future, to reveal something unknown, for example. Not to mention MJ-sensei might be intentionally doing some tricks for her plans, like to bring some dark plot twist later XD

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This wasn’t supposed to be this long OTL

Thanks for reading my personal interpretations and opinions!!

[neversetyoufree]

Now with the new info, I guess we know how Chloe knew about Archivistes, and I’m wondering if she can reveal further details that might help tip the balance of things (hence why she’s napping so she doesn’t reveal them too soon).

(As I am deeply slow at answering asks, the "new information" here is referring to the Marquis Machina reveal)

Yeah! I do think there's a limit to how much Chloé can know, since it's integral to her story that she's been very isolated from the rest of vampire society her whole life, and then she spent a century in a time loop. I don't think she's going to blow the lid off the main mysteries around Faustina or The Shapeless One or even the full truth of the Archivistes. That said, she's quite old even compared to other vampires, she's an expert on world formula manipulation, and she's known Ruthven and Machina for a long time. She absolutely knows things that the protagonists don't, and it's quite possible that some of those things are plot-relevant.

I know it's a popular interpretation/theory right now, but I'm actually not fully convinced Chloé knows Machina's identity. I think it's just as possible that she never got a good look at the person in the bear suit, but Machina (or even Ruthven?) mentioned Archivistes to her in some other context. That said, she still might know about Machina, and her conversations with her are a very likely vector for her to know other important things as well, including things about The Shapeless One and/or Archivistes.

And like you said, keeping her asleep for now is a very good way to delay and avoid whatever small revelations she could bring. I never actually thought of that myself, but it's obvious in hindsight.

Local vampire put into post-curse perma-sleep because she's too smart and she would give away the plot too quickly.

[torterrachampion]

Glad Mochijun let Chloé and Jean-Jacques both have a go at the heroine pose in their partner's arms. Equality.

[existingtm]

I'm rereading Vanitas no Carte and I gotta say, Chloé D'Apchier is so iconic, she's such an interesting character

She's very interesting indeed; keeps her cards close to her chest

[thedarkattic]

BLÅHAJ~~

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Chloé d'Apchier, without a doubt one of the best characters in The Case Study of Vanitas