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one thing i find really difficult about navigating the IF space is the direct line of contact between readers and authors. we share the same space, and i think that plays a big part in this weird blurred line we have in this community and overall lack of boundaries.
for a lot of people this is a fun hobby and while i personally try to keep it... semi-professional most of the time, it's easy to get wrapped up in having fun on tumblr (or the forums, or reddit, wherever it is that you mainly post/interact) and have a lot of personal interactions with both readers and authors alike - which is fun! i like it more often than not, but i also think that's why a lot of comments in this space can end up being really entitled, over-familiar, and inappropriate.
it's no secret that most authors get really weird messages on here, and while this is also a problem on social media at large and not just specific to IF tumblr, it is still definitely a big problem in this community.
and to be clear i'm not saying that you can't be friendly with authors or readers (i've become friends with a handful of readers myself) and i definitely don't mean to imply that there needs to be a huge divide between us; that's silly - again, most authors are readers, most readers are authors, we’re just people on the internet sharing the same space. but all of us deserve to have our boundaries respected. this is my story, and we are strangers. as a general rule of thumb: if you wouldn't say it out loud to someone you just met, you probably shouldn't be saying it to a stranger online. especially anonymously.
#i also think this is why some criticisms get so messy in this space as well#authors should not always be in the same space as the readers/reviewers#and readers shouldnt be able to directly @ authors with their extremely negative reviews esp when it's subjective#(‘’i hate this’’ as opposed to pointing out genuinely harmful content or other criticism)#for everyone's sake#& on a kinda related note: speaking as someone who has been receiving targeted harassment for *checks watch* over two years now#some people really need to reevaluate the way they interact with certain media#i think IF feels very personal due to the interactivity and the customization of the mc#but not everything is written for you. and it's fine to just not like something#without sending weird harassing anonymous messages for 2 years straight to a stranger on the internet. lol#honestly criticism is another can of worms and that's not really what i'm talking about here#but i do think that's also part of the entitlement and overfamiliarity as well#so imo it's connected a little bit. something to think about#at the end of the day my advice to other authors about this is to know your limits and know when you need to extract yourself#and know that you don't have to respond to every ask#especially if it makes you uncomfortable#and im definitely not trying to sound like the authority here this is something i've struggled with as well#like i said it is hard to navigate#and authors can be guilty of this too. wanting to defend yourself or insert yourself into conversations where you shouldn't#i've done that myself#and i've also had other authors i dont know be way overly familiar with me in the past#all of this is just an unfortunate part of online community i think. but im trying to be more mindful about it#anyways. this post brought to you by the weird messages in my and my friends' inboxes lately#i just think you should not be telling authors about pesonal bodily functions in anonymous asks#as an example. lol#personal
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… I can’t imagine that we actually watched the same show. Like I REALLY AISNSOSNWKMEJDND
hold on I’m gonna need to calm down.
Let me just make a list of why I disagree and at least organize my anger. Long post incoming.
Vander was friends and had a deal with Grayson. The sheriff. Idk what else to even add to that
Caitlyn is more than a cop and Arcane isn’t copaganda. Genuinely don’t know what kind of progress some of these people are looking for. Real allies are a necessity for real progress.
SILCO IS A CLASS TRAITOR. HE FUNNELLED DRUGS INTO THE UNDERCITY AND PUT POOR KIDS IN FACTORIES FOR THAT DRUG FOR PROFIT!!! HE PAID THE ENFORCERS TO LET HIM DO IT WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE
Vi is not as much as an activist as you would like to believe
WHY IS EKKO NEVER EVER BROUGHT UP IN THESE CONVERSATIONS????
Silco was not good for the Undercity
Silco was not a great guy. Ekko had to build an entire separate hidden community for the people he hurt and stepped on for his own benefit
Caitlyn is ignorant and naive. That’s ok. That’s what character development is for.
Loving imperfect characters like Silco and Jinx then hating characters like Vi and Caitlyn is peak media illiteracy to me
FOR THE LAST TIME: VI DIDNT ABANDON POWDER!!!!! Silco literally wanted Vi DEAD for trying to stop him from killing Vander??? How could you possibly say silco was there for jinx when Vi refused to be???? SHE WAS IN PRISON BECAUSE OF HIM???
Silco’s manipulation is working wonders on y’all
Embracing all the outrage without at all looking out for the people harmed by bigotry is not activism
SILCO IS A CLASS TRAITOR x929282929394
Caitlyn was the first person in years to show Vi kindness and care. She listened and stuck by her and took care of her after Vi was locked up for years and beat up by cops (i wonder what led her to be thrown in there?). Cait being a cop stopped being a point of contention once Vi recognized her naivety and genuineness.
NUANCE NUANCE NUANCE. ITS NEVER EVER BLACK AND WHITE
The only way I can see Vi touching ‘class traitor’ in season one was the shimmer raid. Guess who the hell put those kids in there in the first place.
Just hanging out with Caitlyn isn’t being a class traitor if Vander’s allowed to be friends with Grayson.
Critical thinking is very necessary for watching shows like Arcane
What the hell did Silco really do for the Undercity???? What changed over the 7(ish) years he was basically in power of the place? All I’ve heard was he made the air cleaner, which would be great except for, you know, shimmer and the child factory workers
Jinx is unwell and feeding into it like this in a fully serious manor would not help Arcane as a show at all
What do you want Arcane’s message as a full show to be? ‘Screw cops’? That’s a little boring and unproductive isn’t it?
CAN WE TALK ABOUT EKKO AND HIS IMPACT PLEASE???? x9382728283
Caitlyn is trying to make Piltover and Zaun a better place. Is that not allowed? Am I missing something?
Caitlyn and Vi’s arcs have only just started. Season one is basically fully set up except for characters like silco and Jinx. This is far from the end.
Genuinely think Vander would appreciate Vi for being friends (using this term loosely because they are in love) with Caitlyn considering he was the one who was opposed to war and Vi wasn’t.
Silco should NOT be your idea of Undercity independence and respect. He oppressed the Undercity the same way the Council and the Enforcers did. He helped no one but himself, his team (barely) and Jinx.
You’re allowed to like and dislike any character you want but pretending like Silco is better for the Undercity than others is just so ridiculous to me. Everyone is of course completely allowed to like Silco, but we can’t pretend like he’s this stand up guy. If you have to pretend like he was, maybe you don’t like him as much as you think.
“Because Cait’s pretty” is also incredibly incorrect. Go check point #14.
Vi never stopped loving and caring for Powder. Powder’s mental health issues were amplified and utilized by Silco because he couldn’t even heal himself.
If all of your opinions of Caitlyn and Vi start and end with “cops suck” and “class traitor” then you genuinely don’t respect Arcane as a show enough to show you nuance.
The misinterpretation of characters is just so … it’s like you go out of your way to love and/or hate characters no matter how much they show you who you are.
Your closed mindedness is clouding your judgement and making you out to seem like you don’t actually want the Undercity’s triumph, you want Silco and Jinx’s, even if it means ruining the Undercity. And that would be fine because father/daughter evil duo but trying to say you’re all for this duo because you want what’s better for the Undercity when they continue to hurt it is simply not correct and very harmful (to fictional characters in a fictional universe 😭)
Only being able to understand how Silco and Jinx were oppressed and therefore should be able to not just destroy Piltover but also Zaun is not the eat you think it is
Why is Viktor never called a class traitor? I think he's great (I also think Silco and Jinx are wonderfully written) but we hardly saw him in the Undercity/ interact with people from the Undercity plus he killed someone (Sky) from there (accidentally)
EDIT TO ADD ANOTHER POINT: Caitlyn has shown little to NO malicious intent and has no real negative impacts other than Jinx’s attachment issues and insecurities being amplified by her mere existence. Again, this is her story and development. Throughout the season she is exposed to reality and recognizes her and her peers/ families wrongs. I have no idea what you want from this character. Should Piltover just be gotten rid of in the story? Then what? Should Caitlyn have just never gotten involved and continued to embrace her privilege? Should she have left Vi in prison and stay ignorant?
#arcane#arcane league of legends#arcane netflix#point number 32 sums it all up I think#i blocked most of the people who added and made the post so they wont see this lol#i might be overreacting or misinterpreting#maybe i didnt watch the show right#or maybe i did and some of these people are bad at this#some points are most definitely redundant#and im open to people disagreeing.... respectively lol maybe dont wish death on a character and ill hear you out#again i wouldnt dislike silco as much if he wasnt put on a pedestal by people who swear theyre all for the undercity#i wrote this kind of in anger so like sorry about that lol#anti silco#<- for tagging purposes if this is too silco critical for the people who like him#to slay or not to slay#caitvi#this is the second repost because the first two didn’t show up in the tags cuz I messed with my settings 😭😭😭
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Hi! I was scrolling through the otherkin tag (as one does) and saw on an ask you answered that you hated DNIs and didn’t want to go into it on that ask. So I’m curious now- why do you hate DNIs? I don’t have a DNI, and I’m not out to try and change your mind. I’ve just never seen anyone say outright that they didn’t like DNIs, so I’d really like to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
I ended up indeed going into it later, because people kept sending in asks about it, so this tag exists now, but in summary:
- I don't necessarily hate the existence of DNIs, because they can be a useful tool in certain circumstances, but I hate that they're starting to become an expectation/requirement and that it's now considered "creepy/suspicious" in a growing number of communities to not have one. It should not be an obligation to basically list your political stances, discourse opinions, and triggers - you know, things you can be attacked for/people can use to hurt you - in any circumstance, least of all on the Internet where anyone can see it.
- For that matter, putting a list of things that can hurt you in public where anyone can see it and know exactly how to target you if they want to hurt/harass you is a bad idea, whether it's a social requirement or not. Full stop. Unless you are in a relatively small group where you know the intentions of the people there (and often not even then!), it is not a good idea to tell people how to effectively hurt you on the Internet.
- I hate it when people put "[x bigoted group] DNI" at the bottom of actual discussion-type content posts (as opposed to, like, aesthetics and stuff), such as people putting "TERFs DNI" at the bottom of posts about feminism, because a) if you're worried about your post appealing to that group, maybe you should reexamine your post's content, b) I've seen firsthand more than once that those groups, TERFs especially, will purposely put "[x] DNI" at the bottom of their crypto-rhetoric posts in order to turn people's critical thinking skills off and make them more likely to accept the crypto rhetoric (foot-in-the-door tactic), and c) even if it's not intentionally malicious like the last point, it still makes it so the OP's post is suddenly immune to criticism, because "hey this comes off a little transphobic" can be met with "how dare you call me a transphobe?? I said 'TERFs DNI' right there!!1!", which, again, has to do with the whole "turning people's critical thinking skills off" problem.
- On a similar note, I hate this recent trend toward performative activism and "racists/transphobes/homophobes/etc. DNI!1!" feels like another permutation of that; I don’t like people demanding/expecting me to announce all my political opinions right out the gate. It should be my decision whether or not I want to share sensitive information about myself (and if you’re scoffing at the idea of a political opinion being “sensitive information” - if it can get you, again, harassed and attacked by a complete stranger, it’s sensitive information).
- People seem to forget that people can, will, and do lie on their DNIs and bios. Predators will lie about being "under 18” in order to make minors they’re interacting with feel safe and let their guard down. TERFs will lie about “transphobes DNI!” to ensure their crypto rhetoric spreads and gets a foot in the door of trans-supporting people’s thought processes. All “it’s to let the people affected by [bigotry] know I’m safe,” which is something I hear sometimes, really means is that the bigot in question only has to put up a DNI to make the people they’re planning to target lower their guard. There is nothing guaranteeing that someone actually believes what their DNI implies they believe. It’s an illusion of safety that just doesn’t - and, really, can’t - exist on the internet, by the internet’s nature. And people thinking they’re safer than they really are is what gets people hurt because they stopped being careful. I’m not saying people need to (or should) live in fear, but relying on DNIs is not a sustainable solution, imho.
- I hate people using DNIs/BYFs as an alternative to blocklists because it often becomes essentially them forcing other people to curate their internet experience for them, and then getting mad (or hurt) when that doesn't work out for reasons that should be obvious. Especially when you take it to the extreme of trying to regulate anyone who reblogs your posts, which I have seen sometimes - you can't seriously expect people to check the OP of every single person whose post they reblog to make sure they agree with your opinions on fandom discourse; that's untenable and it can only lead to people getting hurt. You are the only person who is - and the only person who can be - responsible for your internet experience. Curate your own space.
- as a minor point, "standard DNI criteria" is becoming a popular phrase and it's frankly a useless phrase because there's no such thing. Beyond "racists/homophobes/transphobes" there's literally no telling what a given person includes in what's "standard" - pro- or anti-ship? SFW agereg/petreg blogs? DDLG? Steven Universe fans? inclusionists or exclusionists? There is no "standard." (But then, I feel like how common that phrase is becoming says something about exactly how performative and empty the trend of DNIs is as a whole at this point in time.)
- also as a minor point, I am frankly just not a fan of how often DNIs put things like "Steven Universe fan" and "neonazi" right next to each other like they're the same level of bad. I recognize consciously that this is not the intention, but it sure does come off that way sometimes. It reminds me a bit too much of those callout posts that have six pages about the person's bad opinions on anime or whatever and only then go "oh yeah and also they sexually abused, threatened, and sent their friends to harass a minor and we have screenshot evidence of all of that. anyway here's three more pages about why their art is bad because they drew a 16-year-old in a crop top one time".
And, let me be very clear here: I do not hate people who have DNIs, nor do I want to act like they're never useful. They are, sometimes! But I do feel they're being misused and they're starting to become an expectation and that's a huge problem, for the same reason that people trying to force everyone to put their age/basic personal information in their bios is a problem - it's a safety concern. I am honestly convinced that at this point, in most circumstances, DNIs are doing more harm than good.
If you want to use a DNI, that's up to you, and it's not like I'm gonna harass people about it ('s why I started that "dni critical" tag, so people could who don't want to read this stuff could avoid it) - but I want people to at least understand the risks they're taking depending on how they go about it. If it's useful to you, then good, I'm genuinely glad! It just concerns me how it's being treated by the larger Internet right now.
(And, of course, that's all just my personal subjective opinion - take what you like, leave what you don't. You're more than welcome to disagree with me; this is not a make-or-break argument for me, just one I have strong feelings about xD)
#dni critical#rani talks#asked and answered#dragons-singing-softly#that was probably more of a soapbox than you bargained for sorry fbdklgjsf#do not @ me about my fandom examples i just grabbed random controversial ones off the top of my head#if that's what you prioritize out of this whole post you have entirely missed the point
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Can you explain the appeal of Julian Blackthorn? This is a genuine question because I read the books and came away utterly bored by him and unconvinced of his moral greyness as opposed to like, Adam Parrish’s. He seemed so one dimensional to me but I want to know if I’m Wrong TM considering I tend to be very very biased toward my favourite characters and bored by the rest, and my favourites were Mark and Kieran. So maybe I just didn’t pay him enough attention??
it’s been a while since i wrote any earnest tsc meta but cringe culture is dead and the chance to infodump about my julian thoughts has me vibrating where i’m sitting so. yes okay.
technical stuff
(aka: things pertaining to How The Story Is Constructed)
cassandra clare’s characterization has become much stronger just in general since she first began writing the series like twenty years ago
perhaps most importantly: the more recent stuff i’ve read from her has involved characters who actually grow, change, and learn from their past mistakes
rather than repeating the same stupid decisions over and over again
and over and over and over some more
seriously take a shot every time someone in tmi miscommunicates or self-destructs in ways They Have Learned Not To Do for no real reason. u will die of alcohol poisoning
in tda this shines ESPECIALLY with the evolution of mark, kieran, and cristina’s relationship, but that’s a separate post
clare’s trademark is also the angsty traumatized jerkass love interest with a secret heart of gold
the woman is almost singlehandedly responsible for draco in leather pants and the proliferation of this kind of character type in fandom and teen lit. this isn’t a criticism it’s me marveling at how if you commit hard enough to a single trope you truly can change the world. follow your dreams
sad jackass with a heart of gold isn’t an Inherently Problematic Character Type
but poorly done it can lead to relationship dynamics in which one partner is constantly being hurt by and then forgiving the other despite them making no real effort to change, because they are narratively absolved due to being sad
(there’s a lot of this with earlier jace content. in some ways i think will was later created specifically to be a same-archetype protagonist who actually does get called on his shit and grow. that’s also another post)
also if all of your sexy male love interests are tortured jackasses with a heart of gold then people start calling you a one-trick pony
enter julian blackthorn!
from the very start everything about him is designed to be the INVERSE of the heart of gold jackass. which immediately makes him interesting just from a meta perspective
(mark and kieran are also both alternate angles on this time-honored archetype. mark gets the heart of gold and kieran gets the jackass and then they’re both much more deeply messy than that. yet another post)
julian is kind, self-sacrificing, empathetic, artistic, emotionally supportive, responsible, and favored by old grannies everywhere
so a completely nonthreatening milquetoast guy, right
immediately forgettable if you’re only here for the dramatic conflicts and shithead antics of clare’s other protags
except that he is A Mess
and that he has structured his priorities very carefully, and they are as selfless as you expect from The Hero (TM) but they are also Not Heroic (TM) and they do not align with the moral framework The Hero (TM) is supposed to use
moral ambiguity in characters always exists in relation to their narratives imo. you mention adam parrish - trc’s narrative already mucks around in different ethical shades of gray, and adam falls on the canon scale about where julian does on his canon scale. both more willing than the average pov character to do the ruthless thing or make the fucked-up choice if the ends justify the means; both with an intensely strong sense of internal priorities that they adhere to at all costs, both so unbelievably fucking down for murder; etc
i do think there are ways julian’s choices could have been pushed even further, but considering the number of readers who hate his guts already, i can see why clare opted not to go for the most controversial possible conflicts
so we’re flipping the narrative
instead of seeing this angsty bad boy and peeling back the layers of his trauma to find his heart of gold, we’re seeing the put-together selfless family man and peeling back the layers of his Responsibility Mask to expose the rotting husk underneath
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
THAT IS FUN AS FUCK
then when julian DOES lash out in hurtful, uncontrolled ways, he has significantly more narrative justification for it than most of clare’s protagonists (will elaborate in characterization thoughts)
julian is also interesting as fuck because of how his struggles allow for a more in-depth look at the failings of shadowhunter society, something that’s also sorely lacking in clare’s earlier work
his apparent amorality is simply the result of him making pragmatic and impossible choices because he has been faced with fucked-up ethical dilemmas since age 12 Because Society Has Failed Him
which opens the door for narrative exploration of how and why he’s been failed so badly & what needs to change
i also love that he has such a coldly calculated way of analyzing situations and allowing harm to occur when need be, bc a lot of clare’s early protagonists have such a bad case of Rush In And Get Myself Killed Because I’ve Got Feelings About Impulsive Heroism syndrome that i wanna push them in front of a truck
probably there’s other meta narrative stuff i could say but i’m stopping myself and moving on to character analysis
characterization stuff
(aka: reasons why i’m also attached to him in a vacuum)
i don’t read him as one-dimensional at all tbh
u may feel the narrative pushes “ruthless julian blackthorn” too much without delivering enough actual ruthless julian But i don’t think that’s the same as having only one dimension
from the get-go, the big question centered on julian is always “how far are you willing to go?” and the narrative pushes the stakes slowly higher and higher to continuously test julian’s “the price is always justified” mindset
he has a far more layered and realistic response to trauma than clare’s early protagonists - trauma affects every single aspect of his personality and how he conducts himself, and the effects vary depending on the circumstances
his conviction that he has to be the perfect parent to his siblings because they will fall apart if they see him show weakness?? rooted in how he feels like he’s fallen apart since losing the stable adult support he once relied upon
his willingness to hurt semi-innocent people, commit coldblooded murder, manipulate people using political leverage, allow harm to befall any stranger if it protects his family?? rooted in how he has already had to ask himself how much he’s willing to sacrifice, and how his family is his only source of stability when the world has never done Shit for him
his conviction that he has a darker heart than anyone else because he killed his possessed father, even though intellectually he knows he was saving his brother’s life?? rooted in having no means of processing this trauma and being unable to voice his feelings for fear of backlash from a deeply non-understanding society
the way he represses every single negative emotion he ever has, to the point where emma - his actual literal magic soulmate who can feel his emotions - is startled to find him hurting or angry?? once again all about how he has to be the perfect father or he’s failed completely
the way his anger is so totally disproportionate to different situations and the way his negative emotions can only come out in completely uncontrolled breaks?? all that repression baybey. this kid has not processed a single bad feeling in five years. every single real grievance and petty annoyance has been festering indefinitely inside him like a slowly spreading infection
julian’s arc involves him needing to get thru being his worst self to actually start to heal
as in, he has to actually learn to acknowledge his feelings, take care of himself, lean on his family, and let other people take some responsibility
he also has to learn that in his quest to be the perfect emotionally controlled authority figure, he has not actually learned how to control or deal with his emotions. like. At Fucking All. good god
the narrative setup is also about asking “how far are you willing to go?” until the answer is finally “not this far. not this far”
and once he reaches that point, he has to reevaluate everything about how he weighs his priorities and morals and plans, etc
(i also like that emma has a perpendicular arc in which she’s always the one tempering julian and telling him “no we can’t go that far” until she’s willing to do something horrific that he absolutely won’t and HE has to stop HER. very sexy)
it’s also just really nice to have a character who’s learned to relate so well to literally every single member of his family while still having a very detached ruthless interior consciousness. i have similar feelings about how adam teaches himself to love people, but with julian it’s spelled out more explicitly in canon & it’s a more central character theme
i’m sure i’m also forgetting stuff here but this post is long enough so i’m gonna say good enough
and like i said in the tags on my other post, there are things i’d personally write differently if it were my story - plot points i’d shift, character contrasts i’d up, themes i’d explore differently, pacing i’d adjust, etc. i have plenty of ways i could be nitpicky and editorial about the effectiveness of julian’s arc. but i also don’t feel like writing them out at the moment & none of my critiques on effectiveness have an impact on the core appeal of his character 2 me. he’s so fucking good
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Ok I've been sitting on this thought for a bit and am biased due to how it came up but... Cancel culture runs such a thin line between "can be genuinely helpful in limiting hurtful and toxic people from being terrible openly everywhere without lashback" and "can be so terribly harmful to creators who are forced between a rock and a hard place when making content".
And I'm going to use a controversial example here, just stick with me - Thomas Sanders.
Now, this is all going to be a hypothetical breakdown based on specific issues I've seen people have with him, not based necessarily on every callout ever. But a huge issue a lot of people have with him, specifically in the system community, is his hit webseries Sander's Sides. The main concern here is a singlet is incorrectly portraying a system or experience of being a system, in a way that's detrimental to how people perceive the condition.
So, here's the problem, setting aside all arguments on whether it is or isn't system representation: if he was a system, would it really be ok for him to continue making this series so long as he's open about it?
The simplified -and hypothetical- permutations are thus:
1) Thomas Sanders is a singlet making media that people believe perpetrates stereotypes to systems. He gets endless hate and controversy attached to him as a result.
2) Thomas Sanders is a system, but isn't open about it, in the same above conditions. He wrongly gets endless hate and controversy attached to him as a result.
3) Thomas Sanders is a system and is open about it, and admits to channeling his experience to some extent into this media. He is well-received by the audience criticizing him in the above points, perhaps even congratulated for his being open and becoming a celebrity representation for being a system.
But.
Consider what being a system means. Being a system is a condition directly resulting from being horribly traumatized at an early age and trying desparately to hide it and adapt. It's a condition meant to be covert, to stay hidden, and to keep the hurtful history separate from their public life.
It's also heavily ostracized, and hurts your chances in business and in your social life.
In this example, this hypothetical Thomas is therefore being forced to come clean at tremendous risk to himself and his private life, and way of living as a whole. And inevitably, he'll still get hate from the online community for this, for one reason or another.
See how this isn't such a clean result of cancel culture after all?
It's easy to call people out for superficial reasons using this model, such as people being racially insensitive despite being clearly something else, or being insensitive to obvious physical disabilities when not having said disability. But when you start calling them out on less visible aspects - sexuality, gender, neurodivergency, and diciest of all, trauma - you start putting them at risk in their personal life at the expense of your own perceived comfort essentially.
Do I believe Thomas Sanders is a system and therefore being put in a tough spot? Not necessarily, although systems can be really hard to identify especially when they aren't well known so I'd say it's the same chances as anyone else being a system as opposed to saying he Definitely Isn't.
But I did notice people calling him out for using 'infodump' in the series recently, policing him on his language... Only for him to admit he was poking fun at his own selfsame habit of doing essentially just that. And, to be quite frank, he gives plenty of signs that he's not neurotypical. whether it's something he's discussed or considered, I don't think that or handflapping when excited are hallmarks of being neurotypical, among other things.
As a result, he got called out in bad faith and put on the spot, forcing him to admit something he shouldn't necessarily have to confess online just so people don't gang up on him. Whether you like the guy or not, hopefully you can see how this isn't fair to do. If anything, given the common intent of such callouts - to protect or keep certain minorities safer - it's hypocritical and entirely self-serving.
Anyways, this post got away from me. We will admit we don't think Thomas has earned the bad rap he gets, so this is biased, but we hope we at least laid out some objective points that can be agreed with even in context.
#long post#ramblingonandon#sys.txt#actuallyosdd#actuallydid#thomas sanders#tagged so people can filter it out tbh#discourse#cancel culture#sanders sides#likewise for filters#ask to tag
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Running a blog, Negativity and Incivility
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Running a blog, Negativity and Incivility
Social scientists, socio-economists, and social psychologists are an increasing number of pointing to the reality that the social blog negativity and incivility mood in the USA, and internationally’s way of life and civilization is turning terrible and that universal social temper goes to get loads worse before enhancing. Research graphs and diagrams, which include the Elliot Wave Precept, underscore the locating that there is a herbal ebb and waft of social temper (fine vs. terrible) and that darker times, socially and politically, lie beforehand of us, creating accelerated anxiety and negativity. Nowhere is that this terrible temper greater obvious than in the blogosphere in which incivility, disrespect, meanness, bullying, and demeaning behavior rule the day, and the posts. What’s it that money owed for this negativity among bloggers and what may be carried out to perhaps soothe and diminish their high degree of vitriol, rancor, meanness, incivility and disregard?
I’ve accompanied the negativity of weblog discussions especially from the angle of being curious about the character of the interactions wherein the behaviors are as exciting if now not greater so, than the content material.
There is absolute confidence passion drives many a blogger’s interactions. Unfortunately, passion is frequently used as an “excuse” (it is in no way a “reason”) to treat any other blogger disrespectfully or in an uncivil way.
Interestingly enough, Studies additionally points to increases in the variety of heart assaults, most cancers incidents, obesity charges, diabetes, suicides, spousal abuse incidents, and so forth. What is the connection?
Whether it is a growth in incivility or in existence-threatening contamination and ailment, those records do no longer mean that I must interact in anti-social or self-negative conduct.
You may select what behaviors support one to stay a healthy lifestyle and which do not. The equal reasoning is true for Whether one chooses to be civil or uncivil, respectful or disrespectful, hurtful and harmful or compassionate and information in my relationships and interactions, on blogs, this is, in how one chooses to show up in the international.
Shakespeare said, “An occasion is neither good nor bad, most effective questioning makes it so.” So, why is one’s “thinking” so bad? What perception structures, mental models of the sector and those inside the world, assumptions, misconceptions, misperceptions does one have hard-stressed out into their brain that brings one to reactivity, to negativity inside the face of simply, nicely, “phrases”?
So, with appreciating too how I display up inside the blogosphere, the lowest line is the diploma to which I’m “aware” – Whether or not I am consciously privy to “how I am” and “who I’m” at the same time as Blogging, and regarding others in a weblog network, or am I “unconscious”, being reactive, without a conscious notion of how I’m behaving.
In our modern culture within the U.S. in which most oldsters are passionate about ego needs for control, recognition, and safety, it’s no marvel that most folks’ mind are “killing thoughts” in place of “recuperation thoughts.” The chant underlying maximum of our interactions and interrelationships is: “it’s all approximately me! Out of my manner!”
Furthermore, in a subculture in which many folks benefit their experience of identity (“who I’m”) from a direct association with their “understanding and information” (the database in their brain), it’s no surprise that a whole lot of the incivility and reactivity on blogs comes from the attitude that: “Whilst you disagree with my facts, well, you disagree with me”, and due to the fact such war of words is just too much of successful to many parents’ egos, they react (fight, as opposed to flee or freeze). Agreeing to disagree and engaging in optimistic speak are speedy becoming a lost artwork bureaucracy in Western lifestyle.
Whilst parents are “subconscious” of “how they are” and “who they’re”, While folks are unable or unwilling to have interaction in self-reflection, their tendency is to accomplice and behave with a herd mentality – witness the vitriol, the excessive-pitch ever-escalating level of disrespect, sarcasm (within the guise of “humor”), mocking, bullying, this is taking the region on blogs.
much of the terrible and disrespectful exchanges in blogs has to do with how one relates to any other human being. lifestyles are relationship – the way wherein one chooses to, consciously or unconsciously, relate to, “meet”, “see” and accept any other character. What is taking place in the blogosphere is a manifestation of a blogger’s inner battle that manifests as a failure to relate to every other character in an accepting, compassionate, respectful way that transcends simple “change of expertise and data.”
So, while the Research is what it is, that doesn’t suggest one can’t consciously select how one desires to be in dating, is talk, in verbal exchange While Blogging.
So, how does one come to be extra conscious of 1’s Blogging behaviors? How does one grow to be conscious of what is driving one’s poor Blogging conduct? With the aid of consciously thinking about What’s below one’s need to be uncivil, imply, disrespectful, and demeaning.
There are underlying drivers for a whole lot of the negative interactions on blogs. those drivers are characterized as: (1) “it is no longer approximately the facts or content”, and (2) “it is all about the facts or content.”
1. it’s now not about the content
From this attitude, What is going on is the want for an person blogger to resort to a verbally abusive and bullying approach to be able to make a “connection” with another person. For different bloggers, the want is to first have interaction, after which disengage, then engage and disengage, as in a “love-hate” courting, as a way to stay in the game.
within the area of psychodynamics or ego psychology, this each of these behaviors are referred to as “negative merging.” In some relationships, the simplest way people can “merge” or have any semblance of “connectivity” (e.G., mental, emotional,, psychological, social, and many others.) is By combating or arguing. Without the preventing or arguing, there would be no connectivity, no relating. As a result, the want to bully, argue, demean, discover fault, nit-select, and so forth., helps a blogger top experience engaged and “merged.” It offers the blogger a experience of “belonging”, being psychologically and emotionally connected. It actually has nothing to do with the “statistics” being discussed or exchanged.
Alternatively, the terrible and uncivil behavior is ready connecting and desiring to sense “seen” and “heard”, in other phrases, to experience that the blogger is without a doubt “anyone” as opposed to being a “nobody.” Until the blogger feels they’re anyone, they sense they haven’t any feel of value or really worth. The handiest drawback is that gambling out of this need to be “visible” comes from a deeper location of anger, fear, and negativity.
In “negatively merged” relationships, real and authentic, mature, heartfelt recognition, approval, and pleasure are missing. So, the most effective way the two or more bloggers can revel in any “fake” connection in any respect is from this location of poor engagement, regularly it is within the shape of poking, being disrespectful, being uncivil, nit-picking, locating the fault, etc.
In “terrible-merged” relationships, such back-and-forth conduct, and infantile emotional performing out turns into the only supply of touch between bloggers. the bottom line is that during negative-merged relationships, terrible touch is better than no contact in any respect.
So content apart, or greater such bloggers are not any specific than a couple who, lacking any actual heartfelt, mature, grownup-level connectivity, motel to arguing and preventing over a way to stack the dishes inside the dishwasher, fold the laundry, or vacuum the auto, or slice the turkey. At the cease of the day, for negatively merged bloggers, it is by no means truly approximately the “content material”. it’s about the need to be “seen” and join While There is no actual feeling of connectedness.
Until and Unless a “bad-merged” inclined blogger expands their focus and explores What is sincerely “under” their want to be terrible, uncivil and disrespectful, (i.E., By using consciously exploring their prescribing self-pictures, beliefs, preconceptions, “hard wiring” approximately how they view their self vis-à-vis being inside the world and regarding others), There may be likely in no way going to be any alternate or transformation of that blogger’s behavior. So, they will combat, lick their wounds, leave and come lower back to combat some other day on any other blog, usually at some other’s throat, continually argumentative, bickering, poking, criticizing. Why? it is the simplest manner they know how to “join.”
2. content material is the whole thing.
The ego-character is pushed By means of one’s Internal Judge and Critic, the Inner voice that constantly creates drama and dissatisfied in our lives, that in no way permits us to genuinely experience at peace with ourselves. The Internal Choose and critic is driven By means of 3 major ego desires: control, security, and recognition.
driven continually and relentlessly Through these three desires, lots of us derive our identity, that is, “who I suppose I am”, and “who I take myself to be” from outside matters, instead of experiencing ourselves with integrity and authenticity that arises from being in contact with our Inner Nature, our actual and real Self, from What’s “internal”.
One of the externals from which people benefit an experience in their pick out is their “information.” For these parents, their mantra is “I’m my facts.” In other phrases, my identity, who I am, is defined on what I’ve in my mind, my database. I stay in my thoughts, and my thoughts define me as a person.
Coming from this intellectual area, then, in a Running a blog environment, what takes place Whilst a person disagrees with a “facts identification” blogger, is that the “data identification” blogger is unable and unwilling to peer the opposite’s response as a simple perspective, or factor of view, or as just “distinct from me.” Instead, the “information identification” blogger has a want to react, to end up protective and vital and take the other’s information as a private affront and as a personal and “attack on me.”
In our tradition of right vs. incorrect, desirable vs. bad, win vs. Lose, me vs. You, for lots bloggers there’s little to no room for the attractiveness of differences, i.E., “distinctive data”. As an alternative, There may be greater of a need for lots bloggers to have interaction in a few kind of escalating “advert hominem” attack so that the “statistics identity” blogger can continue to exist, live, and no longer lose their identity. The “records identification” blogger survives With the aid of assembly their need to “be right” in a few way, form or form.
And so When these “statistics identity” bloggers feel attacked because some other blogger has offered “specific records”, or disagreed with them, they emotionally feel out of manipulating, insecure, and unrecognized, unseen. Their inner, subconscious response is: “My God, I haven’t any identity if my records are “incorrect’. I want to fight again and save myself.”
In this state of (regularly unconscious) reactivity characterised By using anger, fear, worry, resentment, defensiveness, feeling “small”, unseen, invisible, unrecognized, unappreciated, being resistant, protecting and agitated, and feeling a lack of manage, recognition or emotional security, some bloggers act out with a view to sense and see themselves as large, large, as “anyone” with an identity.
“facts identification” bloggers might be amazed in the event that they were to explore why they want to behave out and sting, poke, demean and bully others, why they want to attack, shield and counter-attack, why they are so stuck up in identifying with “my records.”
What takes place in the blogosphere is truly no one-of-a-kind from what happens among and amongst people and couples each day, at paintings, at domestic and at play, i.E., occurrences of the identical behaviors that show up While parents permit their ego-personalities and “comparative-judgmental minds” to get within the manner of a healthful relationship, a healthy communicate, a wholesome interaction. The dynamic here with the “records identity: blogger, is that they may be being By way of their want for manage, recognition and protection as opposed to permitting their self to coming from one’s Internal plane in which one may be perfectly cozy with who one is and in which one is no need to be proper and Without relying on one’s information because the source of who they’re.
The poking, the disrespect, the vitriol and incivility are all about resistance, denial and projecting. it’s all approximately now not being “consciously aware of “Who I’m” and “How I’m” in courting; so the negativity comes from one’s locking directly to cruise manipulate, being “subconscious” and simply reacting to everything happening “outside”. it is approximately wanting to appearance “outdoor” for What is missing “interior.”
even as a few can also view ad hominem assaults, rudeness, disrespect, poking, bullying and poor behaviors as “common” in modern discussions and relationships, they’re no longer, neither for kids nor for adults, and once in a while, inside the blogosphere, it is tough to tell the distinction. Reactive factors reason mental, emotional or even bodily pain, and discomfort and for the real and lurking “ringside” contributors and observers, even though they’ll not also be aware about it. The discord does take a toll, one way or every other.
wherein a few lurkers would in reality and absolutely want to offer their views in a secure surroundings, they’re regularly wary of doing so as they don’t want to come back up against bloggers whose need is to “take it individually” and who react to “one of a kind” takes and data in a terrible, poking, rejecting manner. it is the “facts identification” bloggers who make many blogs unsafe for so many others who’ve worth contributions to make.
So, The negativity is an try to fill this hollow of deficiency, wondering that spending time and electricity being important, judgmental, demeaning and disrespectful of others will someday make me sense “higher” On the fee of folks who I’m stepping on and over in my attempts to get to the top of some ladder (financial, social professional, etc.) with a purpose to make me experience like “somebody.”
So, what can bloggers do to make certain an extra inclusive, safe, mutually-respective container for grownup-adult communicate and reduce the intense diploma of negativity that permeates so much of the blogosphere?
possibly bloggers can envision after which act to create an environment in which You’ll be aware, take delivery of and appreciate the uniqueness of every other blogger’s attitude Without routinely leaping on the “me vs. You”, “proper vs. incorrect”, “accurate vs. terrible” “expert vs. novice”, “intelligent vs. silly” continuum.
perhaps bloggers can make an effort to transport out in their highbrow zip code of “it is all about what I know.” and explore the possibly, greater foreign, landscape of non-violent conversation to enhance the first-rate of some of their interactions, even coming near discussions with the curiosity of a “beginner’s thoughts”, a neutral mind.
perhaps bloggers can take a deep breath, feel into their bodies and enjoy their feelings and emotions, before responding to a publish and consciously ask themselves, “Why would an affordable, rational, decent character like me consciously choose to be disrespectful, uncivil and harm any other person virtually because their “information” isn’t the same as my “information.”
Gandhi said, “Be the alternate you want to see.” So, in case you are undertaking uncivil, disrespectful, demeaning behaviors as a blogger, do not watch for others to alternate their tone and tenor. It starts off evolved with you.
As Rumi says, “Out past proper doing and wrong doing, there may be a field; I will meet you there.” Come from that region for your blogs and have interaction from that a part of yourself this is respectful, accepting, compassionate, empathic, and inclusive.
Bloggers can select to play in that subject with their colleagues; or they can select to create some thing and fight in a battlefield of phrases, of ego, hostility and lost identity. One brings happiness, collegiality, contentment and well-being; the opposite brings pain and struggling, mentally, emotionally, bodily, socially, and spiritually.
Incivility and negativity are all about “resistance” to a something” out there” with which one feels uncomfortable. Incivility and negativity are all approximately being “subconscious” of how one is in relationship. Incivility and negativity are all about the ego’s want for manipulate, reputation and safety and being unwilling to go “internal” and discover why one wishes to hurt, be verbally abusive, and disregard some other. Incivility and negativity are largely approximately the mantras: “I might As a substitute be right than glad.” Or, “I need to be anyone On the price of being seen as a no one.”
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